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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 16 2019 18:53 BerserkSword wrote: when they won it, blizzcon didnt have a prize pool head and shoulders above everything else. the lotv era blizzcon prize pools are mammoth Rogue won the exact same amount of money as Serral.... And even before that $100K was the biggest payout in sc2..... | ||
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Durnuu
13324 Posts
On March 16 2019 18:56 digmouse wrote: 3rd place match: Sunday, Mar 17 6:15am GMT (GMT+00:00) Grand final: Sunday, Mar 17 10:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) That's a pretty darn big gap  | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 16 2019 18:56 digmouse wrote: 3rd place match: Sunday, Mar 17 6:15am GMT (GMT+00:00) Grand final: Sunday, Mar 17 10:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) I assume these times will again be subject to the previous event's finals? | ||
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Elentos
55586 Posts
Let me paint you a picture. 2014 Blizzcon. First round match. Zest vs Life. Zest in 2014 dominated the Korean scene in a way people at the time didn't think would happen. The fact that Life advances is considered a monumental upset, because his 2014 was pretty much completely mediocre until that point. No, Life was not considered a god until after he won Blizzcon. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On March 16 2019 18:58 Elentos wrote: Let me paint you a picture. 2014 Blizzcon. First round match. Zest vs Life. Zest in 2014 dominated the Korean scene in a way people at the time didn't think would happen. The fact that Life advances is considered a monumental upset, because his 2014 was pretty much completely mediocre until that point. No, Life was not considered a god until after he won Blizzcon. I got 2014 and 2015 mixed up apparently lol | ||
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ChaosArcher
Germany956 Posts
This has to be one of the strangest cases of collective denial I have ever seen by any community/forum. Yes, Koreans are still the best in this game as a whole. Yes, a WCS premier title is not as prestigous as a GSL. But how the fuck can anyone who actually watched a lot of Starcraft deny the fact that Serral is the best player in the world? His worst finish in a freaking year is a quarterfinal exit after winning the group at IEM. He trashed one of the best Zergs three times going 9-2 in maps when everything was at stake. He beat the best Toss of 2k18 in 2 grand finals. He trashed Inno 3-0 in Korea. He went on the longest and most impressive streak of wins ever. His biggest competition for best in the world failed to get to the finals of some of the biggest tournaments of the year 3 times with Serral waiting for him in the finals in all of them. His playstyle is uber solid, unreal multitasking, unparraleled scouting, master of the mid to late game. He also showed great composure with the hopes and dreams of the whole SC2 community on his back as a 20 year old. If he wins tomorrow he is the most winning SC2 player of all time in terms of $$$ at 20 years with most of his earning coming in 1 and a half years while others have been around to win money way longer. It takes a special kind of delussion to not just admit that Serral is the best player in the world for a long time now and has a strong argument for being called to goat of SC2 | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On March 16 2019 19:02 ChaosArcher wrote: Coming back to TL for the first time in a while and people are still trying to downplay Serral's achievements? This has to be one of the strangest cases of collective denial I have ever seen by any community/forum. Yes, Koreans are still the best in this game as a whole. Yes, a WCS premier title is not as prestigous as a GSL. But how the fuck can anyone who actually watched a lot of Starcraft deny the fact that Serral is the best player in the world? His worst finish in a freaking year is a quarterfinal exit after winning the group at IEM. He trashed one of the best Zergs three times going 9-2 in maps when everything was at stake. He beat the best Toss of 2k18 in 2 grand finals. He trashed Inno 3-0 in Korea. He went on the longest and most impressive streak of wins ever. His biggest competition for best in the world failed to get to the finals of some of the biggest tournaments of the year 3 times with Serral waiting for him in the finals in all of them. His playstyle is uber solid, unreal multitasking, unparraleled scouting, master of the mid to late game. He also showed great composure with the hopes and dreams of the whole SC2 community on his back as a 20 year old. If he wins tomorrow he is the most winning SC2 player of all time in terms of $$$ at 20 years with most of his earning coming in 1 and a half years while others have been around to win money way longer. It takes a special kind of delussion to not just admit that Serral is the best player in the world for a long time now and has a strong argument for being called to goat of SC2 couldn't have said it better myself | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 16 2019 19:02 ChaosArcher wrote: It takes a special kind of delussion to not just admit that Serral is the best player in the world for a long time now and has a strong argument for being called to goat of SC2 Imagine winning two weekend tournaments (ones with serious competition at least).and people calling you the GOAT :D | ||
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
On March 16 2019 19:09 Fango wrote: Imagine winning three weekend tournaments (ones with serious competition at least) in the spam of 5 months and people calling you the GOAT :D corrected that for you | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 16 2019 18:37 sneakyfox wrote: "If we ignore the matches he lost, Serral has a perfect record against top Koreans, isn't it incredible?!" Peak Serral is the one we had the honor to witness at GSL vs the World and, especially, at BlizzCon. Just look the level of his play! While he had that form, he nomatched every korean he faced except for Stats. Maru was very impressive in 2018 when he didn't proxy 24/7 but Serral's peak was more impressive; we are not speaking of achievements or streak here, just of how strong they looked while playing. | ||
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Elentos
55586 Posts
Still less than TaeJa. Peak Serral was way closer to becoming a bonjwa than Serral is to becoming GOAT. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
WCS did not have serious competition. Not a single top ten player other than Serral. You can't use WCS wins to compare Serral to koreans when they're excluded from them. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 16 2019 19:11 Elentos wrote: Still less than TaeJa. Peak Serral was way closer to becoming a bonjwa than Serral is to becoming GOAT. Imagine if a korean player like Stats won GSL vs The world and blizzcon. They wouldn't have even been considered player of the year let alone GOAT. And Stats has multiple starleagues under his belt, as well as other weekenders, and an amazing history in proleague etc | ||
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Durnuu
13324 Posts
On March 16 2019 19:16 pvsnp wrote: I like how as soon as we get a finals without Serral vs Maru, the subject immediately becomes Serral vs Maru Every single starcraft thread becomes Serral vs Maru, eventually. | ||
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Durnuu
13324 Posts
On March 16 2019 19:17 Fango wrote: Imagine if a korean player like Stats won GSL vs The world and blizzcon. They wouldn't have even been considered player of the year let alone GOAT. And Stats has multiple starleagues under his belt, as well as other weekenders, and an amazing history in proleague etc Bad example, Stats is protoss therefore can't ever be considered for best player of the year | ||
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RaFox17
Finland4581 Posts
On March 16 2019 19:19 Durnuu wrote: Every single starcraft thread becomes Serral vs Maru, eventually. Evolution, dude. | ||
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Xain0n
Italy3963 Posts
On March 16 2019 19:11 Elentos wrote: Still less than TaeJa. Peak Serral was way closer to becoming a bonjwa than Serral is to becoming GOAT. I agree! He does have many titles under his belt already but not nearly enough to be in contention for GOAT; were he to overtake TaeJa as Premier titles won we'll speak of it, even if I already know you guys would disregard his WCS titles. Serral started playing full time less than two years ago and he's just in his twenties, he surely doesn't lack the time to try. If a korean player showcased that level of domination throughout twelve months we'd all be more inclined to call him Bonjwa as the title is tied to crushing the opposition way more than being consistent over the span of multiple years; I can perfectly understand that you object he might not have been dominant all this time if he played in Korea. He surely wasn't in March and April, we have no way of finding out how he would have fared in June and July; after GSL vs the World, he was for sure ready; we will never know. He has the numbers of a Bonjwa, that's for sure; we'll see. | ||
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ParksonVN
Australia370 Posts
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