On February 26 2019 20:59 Xain0n wrote: Terran dominated the online qualifiers and here in the ro76 there aren't many. I expect(ed) at least one to get to the main event but actually aLive and Keen kind of overperformed compared to their recent standards; Gumiho losing to Hurrican is one hell of an upset, he's still in the loser bracket tho.
They players overperforming here are the three ro32 GSL Zergs.
On February 26 2019 20:48 Pandain wrote: So far looking like the balance of this tournament is zerg favored against protoss and protoss favored against terran. But we will see how this still stands up when we get to the round of 24.
On February 26 2019 20:46 seemsgood wrote: gumiho lost to hurricane ??? come on...
Game 2 was horrible, it's really really hard to win a TvP.
this is not GSL, players don't have time to prepare with that much ppl in a group and that means we will see a clearly picture of the current stage of this game this kind of bracket is nothing but a group of pro players playing pub against each other
That's too dismissive. Sure, you have more time to prepare for specific matchups in GSL, but arguably even more you are preparing for the player. I think a weekender, where literally everyone just goes in with their fundamentals, are a better source of balance discussion.
Also everyone is bringing their A game here. It's a 400,000 dollar prize pool that is very well spread out. This is not just playing pub.
Edit: For a note I'm not trying to balance whine. I'm just pointing out things that are very interesting. Maru, TY, and Innovation could take out absolutely any Protoss.
On February 26 2019 20:48 Pandain wrote: So far looking like the balance of this tournament is zerg favored against protoss and protoss favored against terran. But we will see how this still stands up when we get to the round of 24.
On February 26 2019 20:46 seemsgood wrote: gumiho lost to hurricane ??? come on...
Game 2 was horrible, it's really really hard to win a TvP.
this is not GSL, players don't have time to prepare with that much ppl in a group and that means we will see a clearly picture of the current stage of this game
It's bizarre how much better terran do in GSL than weekenders over the last year or so. The only weekender to have a terran in the final in the last 18 months was WeSG.
Although it could be that terran is just weaker/not doing well in general and Maru simply went HAM specifically for GSL.
On February 26 2019 20:48 Pandain wrote: So far looking like the balance of this tournament is zerg favored against protoss and protoss favored against terran. But we will see how this still stands up when we get to the round of 24.
On February 26 2019 20:48 DieuCure wrote:
On February 26 2019 20:46 seemsgood wrote: gumiho lost to hurricane ??? come on...
Game 2 was horrible, it's really really hard to win a TvP.
this is not GSL, players don't have time to prepare with that much ppl in a group and that means we will see a clearly picture of the current stage of this game this kind of bracket is nothing but a group of pro players playing pub against each other
I think a weekender, where literally everyone just goes in with their fundamentals, are a better source of balance discussion.
Not really, you can bring some new builds and win because of it ( not only, i know ), and then they become irrelevant, Rogue's nydus vs Protoss for example.
On February 26 2019 20:59 Xain0n wrote: Terran dominated the online qualifiers and here in the ro76 there aren't many. I expect(ed) at least one to get to the main event but actually aLive and Keen kind of overperformed compared to their recent standards; Gumiho losing to Hurrican is one hell of an upset, he's still in the loser bracket tho.
They players overperforming here are the three ro32 GSL Zergs.
I agree Leenock and Ragnarok overperformed and that Nydus seems a little too strong; on the other hand, you can't deny that aLive and Keen went 0-4 in their Code S groups so they did way better than expected, too.
soO looked overwhelming in the Lair phase during some of his recent matches, but his late-game struggles vs Kelazhur and MLord suggest this is the same old soO who will lose his will to live if he plays Maru or TY in a late game :[
On February 26 2019 20:48 Pandain wrote: So far looking like the balance of this tournament is zerg favored against protoss and protoss favored against terran. But we will see how this still stands up when we get to the round of 24.
On February 26 2019 20:48 DieuCure wrote:
On February 26 2019 20:46 seemsgood wrote: gumiho lost to hurricane ??? come on...
Game 2 was horrible, it's really really hard to win a TvP.
this is not GSL, players don't have time to prepare with that much ppl in a group and that means we will see a clearly picture of the current stage of this game this kind of bracket is nothing but a group of pro players playing pub against each other
I think a weekender, where literally everyone just goes in with their fundamentals, are a better source of balance discussion.
Not really, you can bring some new builds and win because of it ( not only, i know ), and then they become irrelevant
You can do the same in GSL. Probably to a greater extent as you only have to win on that day. A full weekender, especially with an open bracket, requires a variety of strats to be prepared.
On February 26 2019 21:10 Waxangel wrote: soO looked overwhelming in the Lair phase during some of his recent matches, but his late-game struggles vs Kelazhur and MLord suggest this is the same old soO who will lose his will to live if he plays Maru or TY in a late game :[
On February 26 2019 20:48 Pandain wrote: So far looking like the balance of this tournament is zerg favored against protoss and protoss favored against terran. But we will see how this still stands up when we get to the round of 24.
On February 26 2019 20:48 DieuCure wrote:
On February 26 2019 20:46 seemsgood wrote: gumiho lost to hurricane ??? come on...
Game 2 was horrible, it's really really hard to win a TvP.
this is not GSL, players don't have time to prepare with that much ppl in a group and that means we will see a clearly picture of the current stage of this game this kind of bracket is nothing but a group of pro players playing pub against each other
I think a weekender, where literally everyone just goes in with their fundamentals, are a better source of balance discussion.
Not really, you can bring some new builds and win because of it ( not only, i know ), and then they become irrelevant, Rogue's nydus vs Protoss for example.
That also counts for GSL. Like innovation when he played that best of seven against Dark and brought out two port banshee into mech.
And at a weekender you literally have everyone seeing what you are doing throughout the entire tournament. There's no secrets, it's very hard to surprise in the finals with a new strategy.
Anyway, the point I'm making is that the debate about what is the best source of "balance discussion" between GSL and weekenders is way murkier than some people believe.
On February 26 2019 20:59 Xain0n wrote: Terran dominated the online qualifiers and here in the ro76 there aren't many. I expect(ed) at least one to get to the main event but actually aLive and Keen kind of overperformed compared to their recent standards; Gumiho losing to Hurrican is one hell of an upset, he's still in the loser bracket tho.
They players overperforming here are the three ro32 GSL Zergs.
I agree Leenock and Ragnarok overperformed and that Nydus seems a little too strong; on the other hand, you can't deny that aLive and Keen went 0-4 in their Code S groups so they did way better than expected, too.
Keen won TvT only here, and aLive had a really tough group, 0-4 but against Rogue, and Zest.
On February 26 2019 21:10 Waxangel wrote: soO looked overwhelming in the Lair phase during some of his recent matches, but his late-game struggles vs Kelazhur and MLord suggest this is the same old soO who will lose his will to live if he plays Maru or TY in a late game :[
he has always been clueless about hive tech ZvT engagement and there is 0 indication that this will ever change :/
On February 26 2019 21:10 Waxangel wrote: soO looked overwhelming in the Lair phase during some of his recent matches, but his late-game struggles vs Kelazhur and MLord suggest this is the same old soO who will lose his will to live if he plays Maru or TY in a late game :[
I don't even remember the last time soO didn't fall apart in a late game. His match against Maru from GSL vs The World was pretty decent I guess (even if he did lose to a Maru playing a 70%).
On February 26 2019 21:10 Waxangel wrote: soO looked overwhelming in the Lair phase during some of his recent matches, but his late-game struggles vs Kelazhur and MLord suggest this is the same old soO who will lose his will to live if he plays Maru or TY in a late game :[
fingers crossed ragnarok makes a breakthrough because his late game was beastly yesterday, and he had some sick late games vs maru on the KR ladder (e.g. )
On February 26 2019 21:10 Waxangel wrote: soO looked overwhelming in the Lair phase during some of his recent matches, but his late-game struggles vs Kelazhur and MLord suggest this is the same old soO who will lose his will to live if he plays Maru or TY in a late game :[
he has always been clueless about hive tech ZvT engagement and there is 0 indication that this will ever change :/
I think his lategame in general sucks in all matchups. I still remember him basically freezing when the final match vs Rogue at Blizzcon reached the lategame.
On February 26 2019 21:10 Waxangel wrote: soO looked overwhelming in the Lair phase during some of his recent matches, but his late-game struggles vs Kelazhur and MLord suggest this is the same old soO who will lose his will to live if he plays Maru or TY in a late game :[
he has always been clueless about hive tech ZvT engagement and there is 0 indication that this will ever change :/
I think his lategame in general sucks in all matchups. I still remember him basically freezing when the final match vs Rogue at Blizzcon reached the lategame.
as far as I remember his ZvP was alright. But the contrast between his mastery at lair tech and his cluelessness at hive tech is impressive.
On February 26 2019 21:10 Waxangel wrote: soO looked overwhelming in the Lair phase during some of his recent matches, but his late-game struggles vs Kelazhur and MLord suggest this is the same old soO who will lose his will to live if he plays Maru or TY in a late game :[
he has always been clueless about hive tech ZvT engagement and there is 0 indication that this will ever change :/
I think his lategame in general sucks in all matchups. I still remember him basically freezing when the final match vs Rogue at Blizzcon reached the lategame.
as far as I remember his ZvP was alright. But the contrast between his mastery at lair tech and his cluelessness at hive tech is impressive.
tbh I don't really remember any real ZvP lategame from him. he always goes for timings
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), and then they become irrelevant, Rogue's nydus vs Protoss for example.
