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GSL Super Tournament
2018 AfreecaTV GSL Super Tournament 1Streams
Format
- Single-elimination bracket.
- Round of 16: Best-of-five.
- Quarterfinals: Best-of-five.
- Semifinals: Best-o:kve.
- Finals: Best-of-seven.
Matches
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[GSL] Super Tournament Season 1 2018 - Finals Day
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On April 08 2018 17:20 Noonius wrote: it's ok Classic, you did what you had to do yesterday. I'm curious, why do you hate Maru ;D | ||
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On April 08 2018 17:25 ZigguratOfUr wrote: What was Classic thinking? Even without scouting the proxy hatch it could only be that. Yet even after scouting all the bases he doesn't throw down shield batteries. What are batteries going to do when he has 1 adept? | ||
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On April 08 2018 17:27 Fyzar wrote: What are batteries going to do when he has 1 adept? he also had a Voidray which should've been an Immortal if he went Robo | ||
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On April 08 2018 17:27 Fyzar wrote: What are batteries going to do when he has 1 adept? He could have built stalkers. On April 08 2018 17:28 Charoisaur wrote: he could've tried to kill all of Dark's buildings He definitely would still have lost with the proxy hatch and the spore following all the queens. | ||
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On April 08 2018 10:56 DieuCure wrote: Classic vs a Zerg in ro4 it becomes a meme a sad one | ||
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On April 08 2018 17:31 Elentos wrote: The right call was obviously walling in his main and then killing all Dark's buildings gateway backed by inifinite shield battery | ||
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 .Nydus allin to finish it here from Dark? | ||
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It's interesting that Classic vetoed Catalyst rather than Eastwatch--he's more afraid of getting busted with ravagers than he is of playing unfavourable huge macro games. | ||
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On April 08 2018 17:43 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Classic's ground army is pitiful. Going for corruptors to fight the phoenixes was inaccurate I think--a huge bust on the ground could have worked. I doubt that would have worked. Too many high templars and some carriers. | ||
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On April 08 2018 17:49 leublix wrote: I doubt that would have worked. Too many high templars and some carriers. There weren't any carriers at that point. I think it had a chance of working (less than 50%, but probably his best shot) if he stopped building any mutas or corruptors after the initial 20 and hit almost immediately afterwards. | ||
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On April 08 2018 17:52 ZigguratOfUr wrote: There weren't any carriers at that point. I think it had a chance of working (less than 50%, but probably his best shot) if he stopped building any mutas or corruptors after the initial 20 and hit almost immediately afterwards. Did he have the money for a big ground force though? Gotta remember he was stuck on 3 bases for very long and invested all his money into the mutas. | ||
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On April 08 2018 17:54 Fyzar wrote: Did he have the money for a big ground force though? Gotta remember he was stuck on 3 bases for very long and invested all his money into the mutas. I think so? He had enough to build another ten mutas and corruptors to follow it up. No banelings makes it tough though since phoenixes aren't too bad against hydras. +2 range attack will rip through Classic. | ||
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On April 08 2018 17:58 Charoisaur wrote: Well, I thought Classic got unfortunate that PvZ is so Zerg favored but now it seems he just sucks at the matchup. So many wrong decisions in this series. He did win the one “normal” game. It’s hard to judge matchups in this meta man, every race has a favourable matchup which skews everything. | ||
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On April 08 2018 17:57 DBooN wrote: Oh, I thought semifinals was bo7, lame. Only in LR tournaments (and Code S). | ||
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On April 08 2018 17:58 Charoisaur wrote: Well, I thought Classic got unfortunate that PvZ is so Zerg favored but now it seems he just sucks at the matchup. So many wrong decisions in this series. The thing is, he just looks worse every ro4/finals vZ series he is playing. | ||
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Hopefully one day the superior BO7 semi format will reach all big tournaments. | ||
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On April 08 2018 17:52 ZigguratOfUr wrote: There weren't any carriers at that point. I think it had a chance of working (less than 50%, but probably his best shot) if he stopped building any mutas or corruptors after the initial 20 and hit almost immediately afterwards. With what? Just mass hydras? | ||
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On April 08 2018 17:58 Fyzar wrote: He did win the one “normal” game. It’s hard to judge matchups in this meta man, every race has a favourable matchup which skews everything. If you have trouble getting to a "normal" game it doesn't matter how good you're at it. Though in 2 of the games it was Classic who screwed up the allin. | ||
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Yeah bet everything on ling/hydra. Classic's ground army was absolutely tiny though there were high templars which make up for a lot of things. | ||
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On April 08 2018 18:00 Elentos wrote: Hopefully one day the superior BO7 semi format will reach all big tournaments. I dunno if it's better for the weekend tournaments. That championship sunday can suddenly become a very long day. You don't want to tire the players out completely before the finals either. But for GSL, definitely better. | ||
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On April 08 2018 18:02 sneakyfox wrote: I dunno if it's better for the weekend tournaments. That championship sunday can suddenly become a very long day. You don't want to tire the players out completely before the finals either. But for GSL, definitely better. It should be mandatory for Katowice and Blizzcon. There's so much money on the line with every match, best of 7 can make a world of difference. The fact that GSL is the only offline tournament with best of 7 semis (now that SSL is gone) just rubs me the wrong way. | ||
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On April 08 2018 18:03 yangluphil wrote: Dark will win vs herO. vs Stats it would be 50/50. Regular Dark would win, not so sure about finals Dark. | ||
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On April 08 2018 18:05 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Regular Dark would win, not so sure about finals Dark. Dark usually loses vs herO though | ||
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And it would be herO's 3rd consecutive Super Tournament final. | ||
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Then go Stats On April 08 2018 18:05 Elentos wrote: It should be mandatory for Katowice and Blizzcon. There's so much money on the line with every match, best of 7 can make a world of difference. The fact that GSL is the only offline tournament with best of 7 semis (now that SSL is gone) just rubs me the wrong way. this is so true | ||
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On April 08 2018 18:05 Elentos wrote: It should be mandatory for Katowice and Blizzcon. There's so much money on the line with every match, best of 7 can make a world of difference. The fact that GSL is the only offline tournament with best of 7 semis (now that SSL is gone) just rubs me the wrong way. I think they would need to remake the schedules to have semis played on Saturday and the final on Sunday. In that case, it would definitely be better. It actually feels weird that GSL still has Bo3's for the groups. Two quick, weird games and a player is gone. | ||
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On April 08 2018 18:05 Elentos wrote: It should be mandatory for Katowice and Blizzcon. There's so much money on the line with every match, best of 7 can make a world of difference. The fact that GSL is the only offline tournament with best of 7 semis (now that SSL is gone) just rubs me the wrong way. Statistically speaking a bo5 isn't very different from a bo7, but I get what you're feeling. | ||
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On April 08 2018 18:10 sneakyfox wrote: I think they would need to remake the schedules to have semis played on Saturday and the final on Sunday. In that case, it would definitely be better. I'd disagree for Katowice. Look at the schedule for this year. Some players played 2 BO5 on Saturday already, you want to add another BO7 on top of that so they don't exhaust themselves playing consecutive BO7s the next day, but 2 BO5 1 BO7 is a packed schedule if I've seen one. | ||
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On April 08 2018 18:15 Elentos wrote: I'd disagree for Katowice. Look at the schedule for this year. Some players played 2 BO5 on Saturday already, you want to add another BO7 on top of that so they don't exhaust themselves playing consecutive BO7s the next day, but 2 BO5 1 BO7 is a packed schedule if I've seen one. Yeah, that wasn't my idea, I wasn't clear. It would be a crazy marathon broadcast as well. They would probably have to start the tournament a day earlier to make room for Bo7 semis. Which would be cool  | ||
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On April 08 2018 18:21 sneakyfox wrote: Yeah, that wasn't my idea. It would be a crazy marathon broadcast as well. They would probably have to start the tournament a day earlier to make room for Bo7 semis. Which would be cool It would be rather expensive to add an extra day to the event for a single series especially with how short Starcraft series can be. | ||
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On April 08 2018 18:23 ZigguratOfUr wrote: It would be rather expensive to add an extra day to the event for a single series especially with how short Starcraft series can be. Sure, but that depends on the event too. They actually did it at WESG this year. And Katowice has so much going on already, wonder if it really would make that big of a difference. Maybe Blizzcon is another story, dunno. | ||
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On April 08 2018 18:02 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Yeah bet everything on ling/hydra. Classic's ground army was absolutely tiny though there were high templars which make up for a lot of things. Doesn't sound like a great plan to me but neither was the corruptor plan. Going corruptor/muta at least had some surprise effect. | ||
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On April 08 2018 18:30 MarianoSC2 wrote: After all this time casters still hyping up heros PvP (which is terrible) and underestimating Stats? Weird... It wouldn't build too much hype if the casters mentioned that Stats' PvP winrate is 50% since patch 4.0, and that herO failed to make the GSL due to losing to eMotion. | ||
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On April 08 2018 18:30 MarianoSC2 wrote: After all this time casters still hyping up heros PvP (which is terrible) and underestimating Stats? Weird... Artosis did admit he tends to underestimate Stats a lot. Tasteless has a knack for forgetting recent history. | ||
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On April 08 2018 18:43 DBooN wrote: He depowers the robo and Tasteless thinks it's about the +2 attack that wouldn't come into play anyways, lol An additional Immortal wouldn't have come into play either | ||
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On April 08 2018 18:45 Charoisaur wrote: An additional Immortal wouldn't have come into play either True, but I'm pretty sure herO was more worried about that, than the upgrade. | ||
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On April 08 2018 18:55 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Mass DT and try to snipe the observer. Yeah that's what's expected from Feardragon, not you herO. Not a lot of options to win, when you're 20 supply down while skipping upgrades. | ||
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On April 08 2018 18:57 zakadar wrote: stats is just sooo good and so incredible consistend And somehow his online results are a complete dumpster fire. | ||
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On April 08 2018 18:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote: And somehow his online results are a complete dumpster fire. look at his eyes, he has the anti tilt the tlit | ||
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Now onto the finals, Dark will do it this time ! | ||
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Stats is in his 15th ro4+ finish in LotV. The consistency of those 2 players is insane, no wonder they face each other so often. | ||
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On April 08 2018 18:58 ZigguratOfUr wrote: And somehow his online results are a complete dumpster fire. The only player in the world who is at all times reliably better offline than online, even dating back to the Proleague days. | ||
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On April 08 2018 19:20 Heartland wrote: Have the Koreans stepped up their trash talk game? Dark always was the trash talk master | ||
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On April 08 2018 19:08 Elentos wrote: The only player in the world who is at all times reliably better offline than online, even dating back to the Proleague days. The Bubbletoss! | ||
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On April 08 2018 19:25 Heartland wrote: I miss Wolf. worry not, my child https://www.twitch.tv/blizzheroes | ||
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Does he still invent nicknames and call games horribly? | ||
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On April 08 2018 19:29 Heartland wrote: Does he still invent nicknames and call games horribly? Do you still dodge LRSL? | ||
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I thought there was no more LRSL? | ||
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On April 08 2018 19:29 Heartland wrote: Does he still invent nicknames and call games horribly? Not really, but calling out players for every decision that doesn't net an advantage is his trump card. | ||
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Not without some serious cheese at least, and even then =/ | ||
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On April 08 2018 19:36 sneakyfox wrote: Stats is the storm master Thanks wolf. | ||
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On April 08 2018 19:37 Kommander wrote: Classic's PvZ compared to Stats' PvZ is night and day. Stats has better PvZ, Classic better PvT and they're about even PvP. | ||
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On April 08 2018 19:38 sc-darkness wrote: I thought storm was bad against roaches. Has anything changed in the last year? Roaches are bad vs everything else so it's ok. | ||
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On April 08 2018 19:38 sc-darkness wrote: I thought storm was bad against roaches. Has anything changed in the last year? If you have 10+ HT then storm is pretty good against anything. Even more so when paired with immortals and archons | ||
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On April 08 2018 19:42 Tyrhanius wrote: I like the great diversity of protoss openers since drop nerf lol But...but....less early game aggression options for Zerg tho..... | ||
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On April 08 2018 19:45 Mun_Su wrote: Dark in full WOL Drg/Stephano And I haven't seen that many Sentries since HOTS. | ||
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On April 08 2018 19:49 Tyrhanius wrote: And... Stargate again PAtch is too recent, give it a little more time and you'll see plenty of more diversity | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:09 HolydaKing wrote: wtf is happening, game 1 was so solid from Stats, lol. The way to beat Stats is to do funky openings to throw him off his standard way of playing. Dark did that the past three games. | ||
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On April 08 2018 19:49 Tyrhanius wrote: And... Stargate again maybe if Ravagers get moved to lair and Oracles can be produced from Nexi we will see other builds. | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:10 Gurbak wrote: dark doesn't want to be remembered as the kong of kongs I think soO got that title locked up | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:11 Charoisaur wrote: maybe if Ravagers get moved to lair and Oracles can be produced from Nexi we will see other builds. Move DT blink to twilight (and make it researchable without a dark shrine obv) | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:10 Gurbak wrote: dark doesn't want to be remembered as the kong of kongs Kong is someone who can't win a starleague and wins special events just like Super Tournament :D. Not to mention Dark already has an SSL trophy so the only kong is soO | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:14 Ej_ wrote: Kong is someone who can't win a starleague and wins special events just like Super Tournament :D. Not to mention Dark already has an SSL trophy so the only kong is soO I like how the Kong criterea is getting adjusted to fit soO. | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:15 DBooN wrote: I like how the Kong criterea is getting adjusted to fit soO. It's not, it's literally always how it has been. Otherwise Yellow wouldn't be a Kong either. | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:15 DBooN wrote: I like how the Kong criterea is getting adjusted to fit soO. The criteria was actually set by YellOw, who was the king of special events and had plenty of golds in weekenders, but couldn't win OSL or MSL for his life, always losing in the finals. | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:15 DBooN wrote: I like how the Kong criterea is getting adjusted to fit soO. If the term had never come into being before him, soO would be a definition-motivating example of a Kong to be fair. | ||
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soO is the King of Kong. By being second in terms of Kongness, you become Kong of Kong (total bullshit) | ||
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no hydra den even. He's gonna try going straight broodlord? Yeah, this is the ballsiest broodlord rush. | ||
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Ravager vs. Carrier o.0 | ||
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This game is over. | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:23 Ej_ wrote: Dark has been using F2 to deal with warp prism this entire day lol Play it like Guru | ||
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Also playing vs Skytoss with storm in general is probably a bad call. | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:29 Mun_Su wrote: "beautiful storm" It starts sounding a bit like "beautiful fungal" in 2012 after a while X( | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:28 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: I put good odds on Dark losing that game as soon as they were taking normal bases in the right places. He needs to play to his strengths here =/ Also playing vs Skytoss with storm in general is probably a bad call. How exactly do you go about stopping protoss from doing that short of cheesing? | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:30 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: It starts sounding a bit like "beautiful fungal" in 2012 after a while X( Because it does, it's a spell that literally has zero downfall and then after you spend it all you make a unit that hard counters all of zerg after incase you get scared. | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:30 OkStyX wrote: How exactly do you go about stopping protoss from doing that short of cheesing? make a hatchery in their main | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:30 HolydaKing wrote: Gogo Stats, I want that nailbiting 7th game. Darkness Sanctuary, the nailbiting adept all-in vs baneling bust mindgame | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:30 OkStyX wrote: How exactly do you go about stopping protoss from doing that short of cheesing? ... Cheesing. I think vs opponents who aren't Stats, Ling Bane Hydra is pretty good and can kill them midgame, it's a really good composition. If the map is not amenable to that, I really think Zerg is mad to macro against a Protoss unless they know they are just better. | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:30 OkStyX wrote: How exactly do you go about stopping protoss from doing that short of cheesing? You don't: | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:30 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: It starts sounding a bit like "beautiful fungal" in 2012 after a while X( Exactly what i thought. | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:33 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: ... Cheesing. I think vs opponents who aren't Stats, Ling Bane Hydra is pretty good and can kill them midgame, it's a really good composition. If the map is not amenable to that, I really think Zerg is mad to macro against a Protoss unless they know they are just better. Hasn’t zerg been winning like every splitmap ultralategame recently? You guys are acting like that was a normal macro game, he went for a broodlord rush, F2’d his Broods for a prism and gave Stats the time he never should’ve had. Ofcourse he loses from that point, he’s not set up for anything after his broodlord attack fails. | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:33 Ciaus_Dronu wrote: ... Cheesing. I think vs opponents who aren't Stats, Ling Bane Hydra is pretty good and can kill them midgame, it's a really good composition. If the map is not amenable to that, I really think Zerg is mad to macro against a Protoss unless they know they are just better. Pffft bane hydra ling vs 10 ht. Plus it isn't just 10 ht's immortals or skytoss with storm. What game are you watching? | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:34 Fyzar wrote: Hasn’t zerg been winning like every splitmap ultralategame recently? You guys are acting like that was a normal macro game, he went for a broodlord rush, F2’d his Broods for a prism and gave Stats the time he never should’ve had. Ofcourse he loses from that point, he’s not set up for anything after his broodlord attack fails. Wasn't talking about a specific game just turtle to HT is hilarious to watch I see zero difference between that kind of turtle is exactly the same as BL Infestor WoL. | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:34 Fyzar wrote: Hasn’t zerg been winning like every splitmap ultralategame recently? You guys are acting like that was a normal macro game, he went for a broodlord rush, F2’d his Broods for a prism and gave Stats the time he never should’ve had. Ofcourse he loses from that point, he’s not set up for anything after his broodlord attack fails. Seems like some people are still stuck in the past. Right now Protoss has to hit a timing with Carriers before the mass spore corruptor Viper army is ready | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:39 Noonius wrote: Tasteless and his "wait guys, it's not over yet" is starting to get really annoying *Shrug* That's their job, what do you want them to do? Say "Game's Over" and go for a coffee? | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:39 Noonius wrote: Tasteless and his "wait guys, it's not over yet" is starting to get really annoying I mean, it isn't | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:41 Meiya wrote: Amazing Immortal play by Stats here... Lololol | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:42 sneakyfox wrote: how the hell is Stats still alive? High templar and immortals? Lol you are watching the same game that unit comp is disgusting strong | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:42 HolydaKing wrote: archon warp prism is MVP this game if stats wins F2 mvp | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:42 Fyzar wrote: What is Dark doing though, he’s just throwing shit away and not teching up? Kongness is preventing Dark to do well | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:43 OkStyX wrote: High templar and immortals? Lol you are watching the same game that unit comp is disgusting strong You are delusional mate, he could’ve killed him 17 times over but he’s pulling his entire army for two archons. | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
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On April 08 2018 20:35 OkStyX wrote: Pffft bane hydra ling vs 10 ht. Plus it isn't just 10 ht's immortals or skytoss with storm. What game are you watching? Yeah you are trying to hit a bit before all that is on the field  Banes only have to just hit to get value through storms, so unless their zoning is really good, 4-5 storms is often not gonna do it. It's not perfect, but there's a reason it's been one of the mainstay ZvP compositions. Also dear lord Dark is throwing. | ||
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Hey, the banelings didn't go back! :D | ||
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tilt? | ||
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A betting man would say Dark loses this I think. | ||
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What in the hell was that?! | ||
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Really disappointing.... | ||
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guess who wins | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:46 Charoisaur wrote: That was one of the biggest throws I've seen in a long time That was one of the biggest throws. | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:45 IcemanAsi wrote: What. The. Hell. Warp prism harass on that map is super good. | ||
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And it's also the hardest map to play PvZ in the entire game... | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:47 Ej_ wrote: And it's also the hardest map to play PvZ in the entire game... I swear this guy just doesn’t see the mistakes Dark is making xd | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:47 ShAd_1337 wrote: dark should retire immediately if he looses this series but 10 championships hype | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:46 -Kyo- wrote: A seriously questionable game.... 5 base ling bane ravager vs some1 with a barely functioning third.... Really disappointing.... I just don't know what to say man, he didn't even attack once after that Ling attack where he destroyed stats third. Then he deflected easily attack from Stats and had huge economic lead, but hey, let's run around with Roach, Ling, Ravager, Bane next 15 minutes while Stats easily gets 3rd, 4th and techs up to HTs and Carriers. Just don't understand. This is exactly what I was talking about yesterday how some Zergs are just have these brain farts where they stop teching up and stays on tier 1 units for whole game. | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:43 Fyzar wrote: You are delusional mate, he could’ve killed him 17 times over but he’s pulling his entire army for two archons. So you are denying that immortal storm is steong? I'm delusional? | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:49 Fyzar wrote: My bet is on another proxy hatch or maybe nydus? I think baneling bust personally | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:48 OkStyX wrote: So you are denying that immortal storm is steong? I'm delusional? Nowhere am I denying that, but that’s not the reason Stats was alive. | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:48 OkStyX wrote: So you are denying that immortal storm is steong? I'm delusional? Indeed, Dark kinda gave up on attacking when his army got decimated by the first storms. | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:48 OkStyX wrote: So you are denying that immortal storm is steong? I'm delusional? No, just a zerg whiner :D | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:49 Fyzar wrote: Nowhere am I denying that, but that’s not the reason Stats was alive. I don't think he could have killed him it was straight immortal arcjon storm, I am not knocking stats skill just that you can't expect a zerg to kill him on that map like that. | ||
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Charoisaur
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On April 08 2018 20:51 OkStyX wrote: I don't think he could have killed him it was straight immortal arcjon storm, I am not knocking stats skill just that you can't expect a zerg to kill him on that map like that. He should have either attacked or teched up but instead he massed tier 1 units and did nothing with them the entire game. | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:51 OkStyX wrote: I don't think he could have killed him it was straight immortal arcjon storm, I am not knocking stats skill just that you can't expect a zerg to kill him on that map like that. He had one immortal and like two archons while Dark had a million units. I know you hate storms but he could and should have pulled the trigger. Hell or tech up past anything when he was on 5 bases versus barely 3. | ||
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Well call it what you will but losing a third base and just getting storm and immortal even after throwing units. Toss just have a boner for there gimicks. | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:52 Fecalfeast wrote: As soon as stats gets decently ahead I'm going to bed. So disappointed in dark right now Good night. | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:53 Nerchio wrote: what is dark doing? Losing, choking... call it what you want | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:52 Fecalfeast wrote: As soon as stats gets decently ahead I'm going to bed. So disappointed in dark right now Good night  | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:53 Nerchio wrote: what is dark doing? roach push xD | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:53 OkStyX wrote: Well call it what you will but losing a third base and just getting storm and immortal even after throwing units. Toss just have a boner for there gimicks. Alright, delusional indeed. Never mind my earlier posts, they won’t have an effect on you anyways :p. | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:53 Fyzar wrote: He had one immortal and like two archons while Dark had a million units. I know you hate storms but he could and should have pulled the trigger. Hell or tech up past anything when he was on 5 bases versus barely 3. I don't hate storm but once storm comes our and he gets more than 5 HT's you can't die short of you choking with HT control to bane hydra | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:53 Nerchio wrote: what is dark doing? Losing. | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:53 Nerchio wrote: what is dark doing? well, looks like he made 10 roaches and moved them to attack cross spawns on a huge map. then, he saw air units, which he knew about previously, so he was like, aight, fuck dat. ima just play down 15 drones and less tech from this point. ................ this is sooo.... yeah........ | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:54 -Kyo- wrote: well, looks like he made 10 roaches and moved them to attack cross spawns on a huge map. then, he saw air units, which he knew about previously, so he was like, aight, fuck dat. ima just play down 15 drones and less tech from this point. ................ this is sooo.... yeah........ It's not even possible to tilt this much for a human I think | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:54 Fyzar wrote: Alright, delusional indeed. Never mind my earlier posts, they won’t have an effect on you anyways :p. I don't mind you calling me delusional but toss cry about this matchup but seem pretty smug when they win. | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:55 Nerchio wrote: It's not even possible to tilt this much for a human I think We need Wolf's expert opinion | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:55 Nerchio wrote: It's not even possible to tilt this much for a human I think Then you'd be wrong. Lol | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:56 Mun_Su wrote: Warp prisml micro is still a dumb mechanic In general the impact a warp prism has on Protoss pushes is pretty bad imo. | ||
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Ciaus_Dronu
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At least he didn't die right there. | ||
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i mean, this one seems to work well, but the first one almost failed hard. | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:58 Mun_Su wrote: Storm Immortals are comming T_T Surprise | ||
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On April 08 2018 20:56 OkStyX wrote: I don't mind you calling me delusional but toss cry about this matchup but seem pretty smug when they win. I don’t think pointing out Dark’s mistakes is being smug. And it’s not like it’s only the protoss players calling him out, even EJ and Nerchio are :D. It just feels like you’re focused on the part of the matchup that you dislike and completely disregard what’s actually happening. | ||
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On April 08 2018 21:00 Nerchio wrote: Why is Stats attacking a 3 base mass roach player? Glad even you think it's weird. :D | ||
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On April 08 2018 21:01 Fecalfeast wrote: Is there any way dark kills this army? Sure. Stats could disconnect and the replay file gets corrupted. | ||
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I mean the game was over after whatever Dark did in early game, I guess I will stick to watching Serral vs Showtime or other foreigners | ||
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On April 08 2018 21:01 Fyzar wrote: I don’t think pointing out Dark’s mistakes is being smug. And it’s not like it’s only the protoss players calling him out, even EJ and Nerchio are :D. It just feels like you’re completely focused on the part of the matchup that you dislike and completely disregard what’s actually happening. Believe me I know he is playing weird, and not really smart with tech. | ||
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On April 08 2018 21:01 Kommander wrote: Dark is allergic to Hydras, apparently Hydras allergic to storm | ||
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GG stats. | ||
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On April 08 2018 21:05 Mun_Su wrote: Dark is litteraly the worst guy to cheer for. soO? | ||
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On April 08 2018 21:05 ilikeredheads wrote: makes mutas instead of hydras....wtf Hydras would have died to immortals and zealots in my opinion. | ||
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On April 08 2018 21:05 Elentos wrote: That was the biggest struggle of mass immortal against pure roach mankind has ever witnessed. for real I think Dark thought (and maybe was right?) that he couldn't transition into hydras? Or what. | ||
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On April 08 2018 21:07 ilikeredheads wrote: Dark is the new Kong This tournament doesn't matter for that, Dark could have won it too. | ||
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Nah, SoO fits his role. Dark plays the protagonist in a Shakespearean drama. | ||
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User was warned for this post | ||
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I'm used to soO at this point, never expect him to do anything in final. He is just BAD in finals. Dark gives a lot more hope before crumbling. Zerg could have won so much trophy in HOTS and LOTV if their top players weren't such Kong. | ||
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On April 08 2018 21:07 sc-darkness wrote: Hydras would have died to immortals and zealots in my opinion. well he should've use the mutas to hunt the warp prism instead of attacking the archons head on. | ||
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On April 08 2018 21:08 GravTrace wrote: I'm sorry, but a player of Dark's caliber couldn't possibly be playing in the manner he did in Game 6 and 7 unless something fishy is going on.. Just like in WESG final G6 and G7? | ||
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On April 08 2018 21:08 GravTrace wrote: I'm sorry, but a player of Dark's caliber couldn't possibly be playing in the manner he did in Game 6 and 7 unless something fishy is going on.. Don't be throwing allegations like that around. | ||
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On April 08 2018 21:10 OkStyX wrote: Don't be throwing allegations like that around. Not like it’s the first time too, he just tilts easily. | ||
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On April 08 2018 21:11 Fyzar wrote: Not like it’s the first time too, he just tilts easily. Can ya blame him at this point? | ||
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On April 08 2018 21:12 argonautdice wrote: I guess Rogue is the only Korean zerg capable of winning tournaments. With sOs and Maru for practice partners, fuck yah he is. | ||
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On April 08 2018 21:08 GravTrace wrote: I'm sorry, but a player of Dark's caliber couldn't possibly be playing in the manner he did in Game 6 and 7 unless something fishy is going on.. please leave. | ||
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On April 08 2018 21:10 OkStyX wrote: Don't be throwing allegations like that around. I've watched 7 years of SC2, and this is the only time I felt something was off about a specific persons play. Just my opinion though. | ||
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On April 08 2018 21:13 GravTrace wrote: I've watched 7 years of SC2, and this is the only time I felt something was off about a specific persons play. Just my opinion though. Given what we know about some games from 2015 that just means you shouldn't follow your feelings on that one | ||
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On April 08 2018 21:13 GravTrace wrote: I've watched 7 years of SC2, and this is the only time I felt something was off about a specific persons play. Just my opinion though. Then you obviously didn't pick all the actual matchfixing that happened. Probably not a good person to judge. | ||
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2 more losses and he ties soO who is at 1-9. | ||
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On April 08 2018 21:14 sc-darkness wrote: Just report him if you disagree. Mods will do their job. matchfixing accusations for stupid shit usually gets a warning. he's been reported, but i want him to know he's not being censored, he's just being stupid. | ||
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On April 08 2018 21:12 argonautdice wrote: I guess Rogue is the only Korean zerg capable of winning tournaments. Never forget Impact the VSL champion. | ||
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On April 08 2018 21:13 GravTrace wrote: I've watched 7 years of SC2, and this is the only time I felt something was off about a specific persons play. Just my opinion though. No one thought Life was a match fixer because of his play, yet he still managed to pull match fixing off. Throwing allegations like that based on how you think someone should/shouldn't play isn't the way to go. | ||
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On April 08 2018 21:13 GravTrace wrote: I've watched 7 years of SC2, and this is the only time I felt something was off about a specific persons play. Just my opinion though. What you are suggesting is pretty heavy. People lose, people have bad matchup. Doesn't mean they throw on purpose and I doubt Dark would, it's not like he has a lot of motive for it. | ||
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On April 08 2018 21:13 GravTrace wrote: I've watched 7 years of SC2, and this is the only time I felt something was off about a specific persons play. Just my opinion though. you sure you want to die on this hill? | ||
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On April 08 2018 21:15 Charoisaur wrote: Dark is now 1-7 in premier tournament finals not counting Cross-finals. 2 more losses and he ties soO who is at 1-9. For me cross-finals weren't' premier tournament, but good bonus | ||
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On April 08 2018 21:16 ilikeredheads wrote: you sure you want to die on this hill? I'm not going to answer you... I just want to tell you.... I like red heads too :D. | ||
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On April 08 2018 21:16 OkStyX wrote: What you are suggesting is pretty heavy. People lose, people have bad matchup. Doesn't mean they throw on purpose and I doubt Dark would, it's not like he has a lot of motive for it. it doesn't even make sense. If he really threw on purpose why would he get himself in a winning position in G6? If you look at the games that were actually fixed the players just messed up their early game and then pretty much got rolled over by the first attack. | ||
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On April 08 2018 21:19 Charoisaur wrote: it doesn't even make sense. If he really threw on purpose why would he get himself in a winning position in G6? If you look at the games that were actually fixed the players just messed up their early game and then pretty much got rolled over by the first attack. It's not like there's a certain way to fix a match. It can be done in any order/method, to avoid suspicion, which would make the most sense. From what I've read on the reddit post game thread about this match, looks like I'm not the only one who thinks this way. | ||
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It's not like there's a certain way to fix a match. It can be done in any order/method, to avoid suspicion, which would make the most sense. From what I've read on the reddit post game thread about this match, looks like I'm not the only one who thinks this way about Dark's decision making. | ||
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OkStyX
Canada1199 Posts
On April 08 2018 21:20 GravTrace wrote: It's not like there's a certain way to fix a match. It can be done in any order/method, to avoid suspicion, which would make the most sense. From what I've read on the reddit post game thread about this match, looks like I'm not the only one who thinks this way. That man looks super upset, like he lost something he wanted. He went into the match saying toss is OP not like his head was in the right place for the game. | ||
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esdf
Croatia736 Posts
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Penev
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
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OkStyX
Canada1199 Posts
On April 08 2018 21:23 -Kyo- wrote: gravtrace OMG Cringe | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On April 08 2018 21:21 GravTrace wrote: It's not like there's a certain way to fix a match. It can be done in any order/method, to avoid suspicion, which would make the most sense. From what I've read on the reddit post game thread about this match, looks like I'm not the only one who thinks this way about Dark's decision making. Well fuck if reddit says so, it must be true. | ||
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-Kyo-
Japan1926 Posts
dang man im on ur side why u cringe at me? | ||
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OkStyX
Canada1199 Posts
Must be, when your favorite player doesn't win he must be match fixing. Plus.. you know... reddit. | ||
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ShAd_1337
Germany1042 Posts
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OkStyX
Canada1199 Posts
Not at youuuuuu just the awful quote he did | ||
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DBooN
Germany2727 Posts
On April 08 2018 21:20 GravTrace wrote: It's not like there's a certain way to fix a match. It can be done in any order/method, to avoid suspicion, which would make the most sense. From what I've read on the reddit post game thread about this match, looks like I'm not the only one who thinks this way. The point is, there are ways to matchfix in a non-rearded way, so why would he do it by going full retard? | ||
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OkStyX
Canada1199 Posts
On April 08 2018 21:27 DBooN wrote: The point is, there are ways to matchfix in a non-rearded way, so why would he do it by going full retard? LOLOL give this man a medal | ||
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argonautdice
Canada2719 Posts
On April 08 2018 21:18 Mun_Su wrote: For me cross-finals weren't' premier tournament, but good bonus Yeah I don't know why they classified crossfinals as premier tournaments on liquipedia.They're glorified showmatches. I also don't really like how they made ssl challengers premier and retroactively did this to gsl code a. | ||
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gingerfluffmuff
Austria4570 Posts
Pretty cool finals nonetheless. 2018 is gonna be the battle of the kongs it seems | ||
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Myrddrael
United Kingdom291 Posts
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OkStyX
Canada1199 Posts
On April 08 2018 21:39 Myrddrael wrote: Starting to feel legitimately upset when watching Dark lose in a finals now I feel ya brother | ||
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Aunvilgodess
954 Posts
On April 08 2018 21:29 argonautdice wrote: Yeah I don't know why they classified crossfinals as premier tournaments on liquipedia.They're glorified showmatches. I also don't really like how they made ssl challengers premier and retroactively did this to gsl code a. wait, what? Why would they do that? Isn't that decided on money? | ||
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elmerpogs
Philippines441 Posts
 soO didn't even made an all-in(droperlord, baneling roach, nydus) right after 3-1ing  Stats in GSL ro4. The same odd way with Dark 's . How can someone on the lead be tilted ? | ||
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sc-darkness
856 Posts
On April 08 2018 22:38 elmerpogs wrote: soO didn't even made an all-in(droperlord, baneling roach, nydus) right after 3-1ing Stats in GSL ro4. The same odd way with Dark 's . How can someone on the lead be tilted ?Emotions are a big factor. What a surprise. | ||
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Penev
28483 Posts
On April 08 2018 22:38 elmerpogs wrote: soO didn't even made an all-in(droperlord, baneling roach, nydus) right after 3-1ing Stats in GSL ro4. The same odd way with Dark 's . How can someone on the lead be tilted ?A lot of people start to think about other things they should when they realize they're about to win. On top of that both soO and Dark failed to pass the finish line multiple times now, exacerbating this psychological problem. TL;DR They're kongs | ||
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leublix
493 Posts
On April 08 2018 21:20 yangluphil wrote: Did Dark make a single hydra this series? Yes, the classic broodlord into hydra switch in game 5. Kongtastic performance from Dark, his obsession with roach/ravager cost him. Happy for Stats, some weird hick-ups (game 2 especially) but overall he showed a good level. | ||
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showstealer1829
Australia3123 Posts
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Poopi
France12889 Posts
The game design seems bad as well in PvZ. | ||
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
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Kalera
United States338 Posts
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Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
With SoO Dark and Byul it's like 25 grands finals that they lost in the last two expension | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15972 Posts
On April 09 2018 01:57 Nakajin wrote: Jesus Christ korean Zergs are so bad at finals. With SoO Dark and Byul it's like 25 grands finals that they lost in the last two expension only 20. | ||
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Mike L
Germany162 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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RaiZ
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On April 08 2018 21:27 DBooN wrote: The point is, there are ways to matchfix in a non-rearded way, so why would he do it by going full retard? Not saying he's right but you should, at least, give him the benefit of the doubt. Plus there are betting scandals everywhere. Never underestimate the stupidity. Everyone has been and will be stupid at one point (yep including me, I have no shame but at least we learn ). | ||
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StarscreamG1
Portugal1653 Posts
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neutralrobot
Australia1025 Posts
On April 09 2018 05:57 Shellshock wrote: today = easiest predictions of the tournament. played out exactly as expected Ugh. Are we getting to the point where Dark's ability to botch a lead in a finals is so reliable? | ||
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CCa1ss1e
Canada3231 Posts
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elmerpogs
Philippines441 Posts
Soulkey ? | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On April 09 2018 09:22 StarscreamG1 wrote: Isn't blinding cloud good versus Immortal+Archon? I know that protoss have high templars, but... You answered your own question. Life in 2015. | ||
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elmerpogs
Philippines441 Posts
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Sakat
Croatia1599 Posts
On April 09 2018 14:35 elmerpogs wrote: Three years Zerg no GSL title says something. It's just a mental thing with soO and Dark tbh. They beat their finals opponents regularly outside the finals | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On April 09 2018 14:35 elmerpogs wrote: Three years Zerg no GSL title says something. Zergs are mentally weak? | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
Yeah just cut the whine, and look at how many zerg where in finals. Between dark, soO and Yellow, it seems to be a Zerg thing | ||
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Poopi
France12889 Posts
Still mad at yesterday finals, Stats will still be overrated | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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Mike L
Germany162 Posts
of course they`re weak, even in campaign needs to Kerrigan and overmind for mentally controlled themselves | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
- Involve 2 top level Koreans, one of them a zerg - have a close final score (like 4-3) - be played in a semifinals/finals setting - be absolutely terrible to watch Stats won not 1 but 2 such series, both of them were really bad for different reasons, with 2 different zergs (Dark and Soo). Like goddamit, this was probably the worst 4-3 finals i have seen in my entire life, across all esports. out of the 2 series (14 games) I would rewatch or recommend 0 games. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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Penev
28483 Posts
:thinking: | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On April 09 2018 22:39 Penev wrote: the manly race is mentally weak :thinking: What I learned from these forums is that if a Zerg loses its due to skill, poor judgement or mentality, and when a Terran loses its imbalance. Not sure what happens when Protoss loses, i dont recall such an event + Show Spoiler + (calm down it s a joke) | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On April 09 2018 14:35 elmerpogs wrote: Three years Zerg no GSL title says something. They've made it to 4 finals and countless ro4s during that time. It's not the game's fault that ByuL, soO, and Dark are kongs. Also Z have won two SSL during that time as well so that's something. | ||
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Melliflue
United Kingdom1389 Posts
On April 10 2018 02:03 Fango wrote: They've made it to 4 finals and countless ro4s during that time. It's not the game's fault that ByuL, soO, and Dark are kongs. Also Z have won two SSL during that time as well so that's something. And Rogue won the previous Super Tournament. Does that count to make Rogue a GSL Champion? | ||
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Mun_Su
France2063 Posts
On April 10 2018 02:06 Melliflue wrote: And Rogue won the previous Super Tournament. Does that count to make Rogue a GSL Champion? Hell no. GSL ST is a weekender, not a Starleague | ||
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Charoisaur
Germany15972 Posts
On April 09 2018 14:35 elmerpogs wrote: Three years Zerg no GSL title says something. ? You can make the point about every race with picking a specific tournament circuit. No IEM Protoss winner since Zest in 2015 says something. No GSL Super Tournament Terran winner since Polt in 2011 says something... | ||
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Ej_
47656 Posts
On April 10 2018 02:24 Charoisaur wrote: ? You can make the point about every race with picking a specific tournament circuit. No IEM Protoss winner since Zest in 2015 says something. No GSL Super Tournament Terran winner since Polt in 2011 says something... INnoVation won the last ST :D | ||
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Melliflue
United Kingdom1389 Posts
On April 10 2018 02:17 Mun_Su wrote: Hell no. GSL ST is a weekender, not a Starleague I thought the same but since this is the GSL Super Tournament thread and someone asked when was the last zerg GSL champion I thought that they must include Super Tournament wins Edit: I'm sure Rogue won the last Super Tournament. Liquipedia tells me that Inno won GSL vs the World. A weekender but with more foreigners. | ||
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OkStyX
Canada1199 Posts
On April 10 2018 02:24 Charoisaur wrote: ? You can make the point about every race with picking a specific tournament circuit. No IEM Protoss winner since Zest in 2015 says something. No GSL Super Tournament Terran winner since Polt in 2011 says something... But they aren't all the same style of tournament though they aren't made equal for the races. I think Zerg is better on the fly, since reactive macro and scouting can give you what you need. IEM IIRC has a decent sized open bracket not everyone thrives in them zerga don't usually do to bad. Toss players aren't the best in open brackets. Terran seem to make deeper runs based on mechanics but only ever like 2 of them are ever expected to win. | ||
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
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OkStyX
Canada1199 Posts
On April 11 2018 08:32 juicyjames wrote: Was any of this recommended? From Stats and Dark... not really. Games weren't terrible. maybe Backwater proxy hatch ravager cheese i think that was game three? | ||
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