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pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-24 07:37:01
March 24 2018 07:36 GMT
#481
On March 24 2018 16:33 AzAlexZ wrote:
Will you people stop whining?
The game changes, sometimes Protoss is OP, other times Terran is OP, then Zerg is OP.
In case some of you blockheads don't know: Every race is OP at some point, and then that same OP race can be complete trash at another point.
Whining won't change anything, it'll waste your time in arguments that benefit no one and you might get banned trying to convince ppl shit that they will forever disagree with you with, so why go though all that effort, just to get banned?
I swear you whiners are idiots.

Whichever race wins will always be claimed as OP by the whiners. If Dark had won the Terran whiners would all be screaming how OP Zerg was, that Ravens were trash, etc, etc. Since he lost, we got this thread instead.

Guaranteed that either "Protoss OP" or "Terran OP" gets repeated ad nauseam after the GSL finals happen.
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33436 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-24 07:37:01
March 24 2018 07:36 GMT
#482
On March 24 2018 16:36 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2018 16:33 AzAlexZ wrote:
Will you people stop whining?
The game changes, sometimes Protoss is OP, other times Terran is OP, then Zerg is OP.
In case some of you blockheads don't know: Every race is OP at some point, and then that same OP race can be complete trash at another point.
Whining won't change anything, it'll waste your time in arguments that benefit no one and you might get banned trying to convince ppl shit that they will forever disagree with you with, so why go though all that effort, just to get banned?
I swear you whiners are idiots.

Whichever race wins will always be claimed as OP by the whiners.

Guaranteed that either Protoss OP or Terran OP gets repeated ad nauseam after the GSL finals happen.


yes yes whatever but don't respond to the post that blanket insults people
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-24 07:40:29
March 24 2018 07:37 GMT
#483
On March 24 2018 16:36 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2018 16:36 pvsnp wrote:
On March 24 2018 16:33 AzAlexZ wrote:
Will you people stop whining?
The game changes, sometimes Protoss is OP, other times Terran is OP, then Zerg is OP.
In case some of you blockheads don't know: Every race is OP at some point, and then that same OP race can be complete trash at another point.
Whining won't change anything, it'll waste your time in arguments that benefit no one and you might get banned trying to convince ppl shit that they will forever disagree with you with, so why go though all that effort, just to get banned?
I swear you whiners are idiots.

Whichever race wins will always be claimed as OP by the whiners.

Guaranteed that either Protoss OP or Terran OP gets repeated ad nauseam after the GSL finals happen.


yes yes whatever but don't respond to the post that blanket insults people

Rip, am I next on the ban list? T_T

But seriously, should I requote his post to include the red warning text?
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Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-24 07:39:35
March 24 2018 07:38 GMT
#484
On March 24 2018 16:30 Geo.Rion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2018 22:59 Fango wrote:

Yes all the races have good players, so you'd expect all three to get decent results right? Which isn't the case. By any measure, zerg is overperforming and terran is underperforming. That's why one is getting nerfed and the other isn't.

The last 7 premier tournaments have had either ZvZ or ZvP final. With zerg winning 5 of them (sure some people will ignore IEM pyeongchang due to the strange qualifying system). It'll be a miracle if this GSL isn't a ZvZ final for the first time since WoL.

Even if you look at the few tournaments since 4.0: HSC XVI had one terran in the ro8, GSL Code S had one terran in the ro8, WCS Leipzig had one terran in the ro8, and IEM katowice had 2 terrans in the ro12. It's obvious which race is weaker.


So praise the lord, it s a miracle

Your reasoning is bizarre. I complained it's been 7 premier tournaments without a terran in the final. Why would I become suicidal because there actually is? You don't think I'd be overwhelmed with joy? I don't think you understand how complaining works, or even human emotions in general lol.

And yes it's a miracle. soO had literally the best ro4 success rate of all time, and Maru had literally the worst. It was the obvious choice. What happened this weak is a turning point in sc2 history.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
pvsnp
Profile Joined January 2017
7676 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-24 07:46:20
March 24 2018 07:45 GMT
#485
On March 24 2018 16:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2018 16:33 AzAlexZ wrote:
Will you people stop whining?
The game changes, sometimes Protoss is OP, other times Terran is OP, then Zerg is OP.
in case some of you don't know this : Every race is OP at some point, and then that same OP race can ve complete trash at another point.
Whining won't change anything, it'll waste your time in arguments that benefit no one and you might get banned trying to convince ppl shit that they will forever disagree with you with, so why go though all that effort, just to get banned?
I swear you whiners are idiots.


The tricky bit is that whining does in fact seem to change things due to the balance team being a bit too pliant.

It does, but considering the inevitable kneejerk whine from whichever race lost a high-profile match like this one, I think the balance team is smart enough to not just blindly accept this whine as gospel truth.

It also helps that reddit (which they seem to pay an inordinate amount of attention to) tends to downvote such whine as a matter of course.
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-24 07:56:54
March 24 2018 07:45 GMT
#486
On March 24 2018 16:37 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2018 16:36 Waxangel wrote:
On March 24 2018 16:36 pvsnp wrote:
On March 24 2018 16:33 AzAlexZ wrote:
Will you people stop whining?
The game changes, sometimes Protoss is OP, other times Terran is OP, then Zerg is OP.
In case some of you blockheads don't know: Every race is OP at some point, and then that same OP race can be complete trash at another point.
Whining won't change anything, it'll waste your time in arguments that benefit no one and you might get banned trying to convince ppl shit that they will forever disagree with you with, so why go though all that effort, just to get banned?
I swear you whiners are idiots.

Whichever race wins will always be claimed as OP by the whiners.

Guaranteed that either Protoss OP or Terran OP gets repeated ad nauseam after the GSL finals happen.


yes yes whatever but don't respond to the post that blanket insults people

Rip, am I next on the ban list? T_T

But seriously, should I requote his post to include the red warning text?


Quoting stuff that gets warned/banned isn't usually an offense (the main exceptions being rainbow sheep, and Finnish gifs).

On March 24 2018 16:45 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2018 16:35 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On March 24 2018 16:33 AzAlexZ wrote:
Will you people stop whining?
The game changes, sometimes Protoss is OP, other times Terran is OP, then Zerg is OP.
in case some of you don't know this : Every race is OP at some point, and then that same OP race can ve complete trash at another point.
Whining won't change anything, it'll waste your time in arguments that benefit no one and you might get banned trying to convince ppl shit that they will forever disagree with you with, so why go though all that effort, just to get banned?
I swear you whiners are idiots.


The tricky bit is that whining does in fact seem to change things due to the balance team being a bit too pliant.

It does, but considering the inevitable kneejerk whine from whichever race lost a high-profile match like this one, I think the balance team is smart enough to not just blindly accept this whine as gospel truth.

It also helps that reddit (which they seem to pay an inordinate amount of attention to) tends to downvote such whine as a matter of course.


Ehh...my faith in the balance team is pretty low. They seem to listen to the loudest voices in the community much more than what the different voices are saying. For example they haven't said a single word about PvT late-midgame/early-lategame over the past two months, since it has been overshadowed in community discussions by other stuff like ravens and ling drops. And to my mind that's a much more pressing issue than changing or not changing the raven. The devs shouldn't need the community to prod them to consider problems.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-24 08:11:11
March 24 2018 07:53 GMT
#487
On March 24 2018 16:38 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2018 16:30 Geo.Rion wrote:
On March 14 2018 22:59 Fango wrote:

Yes all the races have good players, so you'd expect all three to get decent results right? Which isn't the case. By any measure, zerg is overperforming and terran is underperforming. That's why one is getting nerfed and the other isn't.

The last 7 premier tournaments have had either ZvZ or ZvP final. With zerg winning 5 of them (sure some people will ignore IEM pyeongchang due to the strange qualifying system). It'll be a miracle if this GSL isn't a ZvZ final for the first time since WoL.

Even if you look at the few tournaments since 4.0: HSC XVI had one terran in the ro8, GSL Code S had one terran in the ro8, WCS Leipzig had one terran in the ro8, and IEM katowice had 2 terrans in the ro12. It's obvious which race is weaker.


So praise the lord, it s a miracle

Your reasoning is bizarre. I complained it's been 7 premier tournaments without a terran in the final. Why would I become suicidal because there actually is? You don't think I'd be overwhelmed with joy? I don't think you understand how complaining works, or even human emotions in general lol.

And yes it's a miracle. soO had literally the best ro4 success rate of all time, and Maru had literally the worst. It was the obvious choice. What happened this weak is a turning point in sc2 history.

No, for some perverse reason, you and others Terran watch these tournaments and hope the Terran loses.

You re going in saying Terran gonna lose. If they do lose you cry a fucking river, and cook up convoluted stats (Well, if you look at the ro6 of these tournaments i randomly selected and ignored every other criteria, notice the stats support me) or flat-out false statements.
And if the terrans win you guys try to dissect the other guy`s mistakes, arguing it s nothing to do with balance, on the contrary the Terran, in this case Maru, overcame the very real imbalance that still exists, and his win still proof that Terran is underpowered, since he could only win with 2 rax, or could only win cuz Dark misclicked or some other shit. And you immediately try to discredit the opponent that literally hours ago you claimed gonna crush the series(Oh, Dark is so much worse then Rogue, Rogue could have won easily)
Im a zerg, i like zergs, i cheer on zergs. I hoped Dark would make it to the finals, he didnt, tough luck, gonna watch a PvT finals, the world wont end.

Balance whine I get, it s been around since forever. But at least a while back users waited until the tourney was over, before using the results to support their balance whine. But no, lately you (plural) have to cry in advance, about how it s gonna be ZVZ all over again, like every GSL finals since 2015, am i right?
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Kalera
Profile Joined January 2018
United States338 Posts
March 24 2018 08:01 GMT
#488
On March 24 2018 16:32 Waxangel wrote:
Hey guys, let's not make TOO large generalizations about balance based off a series between two of the best players in the world (unless, I mean, you want Blizzard to specifically balance SC2 for series between top 3 players of each race. In that case... uhhh, ionno, that's an interesting opinion, and maybe I actually agree to some small degree!)


Uhhh, that would be like chasing your shadow. The players will vary in skill from day to day and balance tweaks could even cause the top 3 to change.
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
March 24 2018 08:22 GMT
#489
INnoVation didn't make it through the ro8 while Maru did it. Thus, Terran must be weak.
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
buffzerg33
Profile Joined May 2017
96 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-24 08:47:12
March 24 2018 08:23 GMT
#490
Dark is in very good shape atm, he will bounce back.
Maru is playing games of his life!!!
Cant get much better then that! Insaine.
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
March 24 2018 08:26 GMT
#491
On March 24 2018 17:22 Mun_Su wrote:
INnoVation didn't make it through the ro8 while Maru did it. Thus, Terran must be weak.


Quod erat demonstrandum
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12902 Posts
March 24 2018 08:28 GMT
#492
Looks like the better player won.
Maru saves terran once again .
TvP finals is gonna be super hard tho
WriterMaru
buffzerg33
Profile Joined May 2017
96 Posts
March 24 2018 08:30 GMT
#493
1. Maru Cho, Sung Choo $552,784.10
2. Rogue Lee, Byung Ryul $546,907.84
3. sOs Kim, Yoo Jin $528,839.27

I mean....JinAir Greenwings WTF!!! These dudes took everything!!!
DieuCure
Profile Joined January 2017
France3713 Posts
March 24 2018 08:41 GMT
#494
[image loading]

Jin Air Greenwings is the new US Postal
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Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-24 08:46:15
March 24 2018 08:46 GMT
#495
I'm glad Maru could display the heights of his skill by winning 60 workers down, truly the raven and ghost micro was incredible, what a player .

I wish him good luck in the finals vs the Protoss player Stats and in all next iterations of the game!
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Mun_Su
Profile Joined December 2012
France2063 Posts
March 24 2018 08:46 GMT
#496
On March 24 2018 17:30 buffzerg33 wrote:
1. Maru Cho, Sung Choo $552,784.10
2. Rogue Lee, Byung Ryul $546,907.84
3. sOs Kim, Yoo Jin $528,839.27

I mean....JinAir Greenwings WTF!!! These dudes took everything!!!



Looks like team environment matter after all
INno <3 - TY - Maru - Taeja - Rain <3 - Classic <3 - Stephano <3 - soO <3 - Soulkey - Dark - SERRAL =O / END REGION LOCK
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
March 24 2018 08:55 GMT
#497
On March 24 2018 17:46 Ej_ wrote:
I'm glad Maru could display the heights of his skill by winning 60 workers down, truly the raven and ghost micro was incredible, what a player .

I wish him good luck in the finals vs the Protoss player Stats and in all next iterations of the game!

Personally I think the first player to 100 workers should win.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15981 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-03-24 09:38:58
March 24 2018 09:36 GMT
#498
On March 24 2018 17:46 Ej_ wrote:

I wish him good luck in the finals vs the Protoss player Stats and in all next iterations of the game!

Are you implying Maru can only have success in the current iteration of the game?
There is probably no player that is less dependant on a favorable meta.
Not to mention this is one of the worst metas for terran in a long time (worst since the blink era?)
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
March 24 2018 10:12 GMT
#499
I see that nowadays Terran players perceive compliments as whining as well.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany15981 Posts
March 24 2018 10:22 GMT
#500
You need to hide your sarcasm better
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
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