EPTOn March 24 2018 15:35 TentativePanda wrote:
Impossible task: Name a zerg unit that counters the ghost
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Impossible task: Name a zerg unit that counters the ghost
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neuraled ghosts
[GSL 2018] Season 1 - Semi Finals Day 2 - Page 24
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SHODAN
United Kingdom1159 Posts
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Wildmoon
Thailand4189 Posts
Show me the stats to back it up, because they don't exist. You misunderstand what I am saying. | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On March 24 2018 16:03 yangluphil wrote: What evidence? To counter the argument that "If ravens is so op why are terrans suffering?", I only need this evidence: "Maru specifically waited for all terrans to drop out from GSL, IEM before pulling this build for the first time." which is a fact. What you quote there would be just icing on the cake. Leave it out and the argument still stands. But I'm happy to revisit it comes S2, so there's that. Are you serious? Your fact is garbage--the raven was buffed on January 29th, and by the time Maru played his Ro16 GSL group all the other terrans were gone. Technically he could have come up with it in 24 hours after the patch hit and cunningly hid it when playing against Ragnarok in the Ro32, but that sounds on the face of it unlikely. | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
You are correct, sorry about that. I apologize for the misunderstanding, we are saying the same thing. | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
On March 24 2018 16:06 Wildmoon wrote: The evidence is when the MU is dominated by terran in late game all across the board. That's the time to nerf it. What ? Only Maru is dominating in late game after holding a roach ravagers lings push with 4 bases ( 1 hidden )/killing a 4th. And except TY none of the others Terrans can match Zerg in such a late game. On the other side, Blizzard assumed that win before ultras during a year. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On March 24 2018 15:45 Fango wrote: Was worth styaing up till 7AM for anyway  Really? I was looking for you, thinking u had to be put on suicide watch, now that instead oz ZvZ (as you said it surely gonna happen) the GSL finals is a PvT. What will you be crying about now? That the top 4 had only 1 terran, and that s statistical proof that it s still under-powered, since it should have had 1.33 terrans? | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 24 2018 16:11 DieuCure wrote: What ? Only Maru is dominating in late game after holding a roach ravagers lings push with 4 bases ( 1 hidden )/killing a 4th. And except TY none of the others Terrans can match Zerg in such a late game. On the other side, *Blizzard assumed* that *win before ultras* during a year. Lol you are making the same mistake I did. That's exactly what the dude is saying, the evidence doesn't exist yet and so nerfs are unjustified until it does. Open up the nested quotes and read them. He's not a Zerg whiner, he's arguing against them | ||
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DieuCure
France3713 Posts
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starkiller123
United States4030 Posts
On March 24 2018 16:13 Geo.Rion wrote: Really? I was looking for you, thinking u had to be put on suicide watch, now that instead oz ZvZ (as you said it surely gonna happen) the GSL finals is a PvT. What will you be crying about now? That the top 4 had only 1 terran, and that s statistical proof that it s still under-powered, since it should have had 1.33 terrans, he's probably happy to see good and entertaining starcraft games? not too hard to figure out | ||
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 24 2018 16:13 Geo.Rion wrote: Really? I was looking for you, thinking u had to be put on suicide watch, now that instead oz ZvZ (as you said it surely gonna happen) the GSL finals is a PvT. What will you be crying about now? That the top 4 had only 1 terran, and that s statistical proof that it s still under-powered, since it should have had 1.33 terrans, Got it, putting you on suicide watch now. Excessive salt consumption can have detrimental effects on your health. Seriously just cool down, raging on the forums doesn't change the fact that Maru won. It only makes you look petty. | ||
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yangluphil
318 Posts
On March 24 2018 16:08 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Are you serious? Your fact is garbage--the raven was buffed on January 29th, and by the time Maru played his Ro16 GSL group all the other terrans were gone. Technically he could have come up with it in 24 hours after the patch hit and cunningly hid it when playing against Ragnarok in the Ro32, but that sounds on the face of it unlikely. Yes I'm serious. I'm confused what your point is. The meat of the argument is "If ravens is so op why are terrans suffering?" is garbage. And that fact no matter how garbage it is (Maru did wait in IEM) is true and so defeats the argument. You are saying Maru did not cunningly wait in GSL. ok I give you that, so what. | ||
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Fango
United Kingdom8987 Posts
On March 24 2018 16:13 Geo.Rion wrote: Really? I was looking for you, thinking u had to be put on suicide watch, now that instead oz ZvZ (as you said it surely gonna happen) the GSL finals is a PvT. What will you be crying about now? That the top 4 had only 1 terran, and that s statistical proof that it s still under-powered, since it should have had 1.33 terrans? Lmao calm down. I don't seem to be the one who's gonna cry right now | ||
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AUGcodon
Canada536 Posts
On March 24 2018 16:15 yangluphil wrote: Yes I'm serious. I'm confused what your point is. The meat of the argument is "If ravens is so op why are terrans suffering?" is garbage. And that fact no matter how garbage it is (Maru did wait in IEM) is true and so defeats the argument. You are saying Maru did not cunningly wait in GSL. ok I give you that, so what. By wait you mean literally breaking it out against the first Zerg he faced, solar? He didn't face any Zerg in the open bracket or group stages. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On March 24 2018 16:15 pvsnp wrote: Got it, putting you on suicide watch now. Excessive salt consumption can have detrimental effects on your health. Seriously just cool down, raging on the forums doesn't change the fact that Maru won. It only makes you look petty. Great comeback mate, how did u come up with it? Also i will try to calm down my raging, aka the one comment i posted here calling out another user for very wrongly predicting ZvZ finals, and by extension the other forums members, apparently this includes you, who preemptively whined about the finals being ZvZ or ZvX, when the GSL was still in the Ro8 and Ro4. Couldnt watch the games as it were starting at dawn for me, i made literally 0 comments about Maru's play or the series here, so yeah, not sure what you re on about. | ||
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jarodtou
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pvsnp
7676 Posts
On March 24 2018 16:23 Geo.Rion wrote: Great comeback mate, how did u come up with it? Also i will try to calm down my raging, aka the one comment i posted here calling out another user for very wrongly predicting ZvZ finals, and by extension the other forums members, apparently this includes you, who preemptively whined about the finals being ZvZ or ZvX, when the GSL was still in the Ro8 and Ro4. Couldnt watch the games as it were starting at dawn for me, i made literally 0 comments about Maru's play or the series here, so yeah, not sure what you re on about. Apologies for confusing you with one of the salty whiners. Your post wasn't exactly the most civil. If you haven't watched them, I'd recommend actually watching the games instead of throwing shit at TL posters though. There were some masterful displays on both sides. And I said ZvZ finals are a shitshow, which is my own opinion. I never whined about these finals specifically being a ZvZ. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On March 24 2018 16:27 pvsnp wrote: Apologies for confusing you with one of the salty whiners. Your post wasn't exactly the most civil. If you haven't watched them, I'd recommend actually watching the games instead of throwing shit at TL posters though. There were some masterful displays on both sides. And I said ZvZ finals are a shitshow, which is my own opinion. I never whined about these finals specifically being a ZvZ. I am sure there were, and i absolutely gonna watch the series as soon as the VODs are out. But yeah, I do think there should be at least this much repercussions for preemptive whining: being called out after the fact. By no means is Fango the only one, i just remembered his comment cuz it was particularly whiny, for reference: On March 14 2018 22:59 Fango wrote: Yes all the races have good players, so you'd expect all three to get decent results right? Which isn't the case. By any measure, zerg is overperforming and terran is underperforming. That's why one is getting nerfed and the other isn't. The last 7 premier tournaments have had either ZvZ or ZvP final. With zerg winning 5 of them (sure some people will ignore IEM pyeongchang due to the strange qualifying system). It'll be a miracle if this GSL isn't a ZvZ final for the first time since WoL. Even if you look at the few tournaments since 4.0: HSC XVI had one terran in the ro8, GSL Code S had one terran in the ro8, WCS Leipzig had one terran in the ro8, and IEM katowice had 2 terrans in the ro12. It's obvious which race is weaker. So praise the lord, it s a miracle | ||
Waxangel
United States33650 Posts
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AzAlexZ
Australia3303 Posts
The game changes, sometimes Protoss is OP, other times Terran is OP, then Zerg is OP. In case some of you blockheads don't know: Every race is OP at some point, and then that same OP race can be complete trash at another point. Whining won't change anything, it'll waste your time in arguments that benefit no one and you might get banned trying to convince ppl shit that they will forever disagree with you with, so why go though all that effort, just to get banned? I swear you whiners are idiots. User was warned for this post | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On March 24 2018 16:33 AzAlexZ wrote: Will you people stop whining? The game changes, sometimes Protoss is OP, other times Terran is OP, then Zerg is OP. in case some of you don't know this : Every race is OP at some point, and then that same OP race can ve complete trash at another point. Whining won't change anything, it'll waste your time in arguments that benefit no one and you might get banned trying to convince ppl shit that they will forever disagree with you with, so why go though all that effort, just to get banned? I swear you whiners are idiots. The tricky bit is that whining does in fact seem to change things due to the balance team being a bit too pliant. | ||
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