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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
April 30 2017 18:14 GMT
#1661
So when it's maxed vs maxed with banks like that is it not worth it to go into a few hydras in TRUE's situation?
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-30 18:15:30
April 30 2017 18:15 GMT
#1662
TRUE's inability to win a game that was over 10 minutes ago is astounding.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55593 Posts
April 30 2017 18:15 GMT
#1663
On May 01 2017 03:12 Fango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2017 03:08 Ansibled wrote:
Does anyone really care if a race is 'OP'?

The games are fun.


Honestly man, it's just frustrating to watch players legitimately play amazing, and then lose to someone getting an ez-win with a broken allin. Especially when the player winning appears to be the weaker one it terms of talent.


I missed a lot of the series, but I think I saw enough to say MajOr/SpeCial only has himself to blame for not winning game 5 - the one that counts.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
April 30 2017 18:15 GMT
#1664
wtf was that engage from true. "three pronged surround" - only attacks with 1/3
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
Nebuchad
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Switzerland12502 Posts
April 30 2017 18:15 GMT
#1665
On May 01 2017 03:10 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2017 03:08 Nebuchad wrote:
On May 01 2017 03:06 Poopi wrote:
On May 01 2017 03:03 Nebuchad wrote:
On May 01 2017 03:01 Poopi wrote:
On May 01 2017 02:58 Charoisaur wrote:
On May 01 2017 02:55 Poopi wrote:
On May 01 2017 02:54 Boggyb wrote:
On May 01 2017 02:50 Poopi wrote:
On May 01 2017 02:47 Boggyb wrote:
[quote]
I doubt any pro player puts much stock into what another says about their worst match ups.

That's why it's brilliant: even if they don't do it consciously, a part of them starts to think it, and in the public eyes if Nerchio wins he is that good, while if he loses it's just protoss being strong.
Zergs and terrans hate protoss so much that they often use this tool to make them feel guilty :D

There are vocal sections of the player base of each race that does that.

If a Terran player beats a Zerg player, Terran is OP.
If a Zerg player beats a Terran player, Zerg is OP.
And so on and so forth.

I don't put stock into what pro players say about balance because I don't trust or believe them.

I can assure you that zergs and terrans unite against protoss.
Like on Twitter both zergs and terrans pros would make fun of protoss for being the easy race.
It's partially true, but you don't see protoss and zergs team up against terrans, because zergs and terrans both hate protoss the most and would rather play ZvT/TvZ.

mmh I see protoss and zergs teaming up against terran from time to time.
"LOL terrans just spam marines across the map all day. They don't want to make other units and expect to win with 1 unit."

Maybe the idiots, but I'm talking about the pros there, not random redditors.


Nerchio is a pro so I don't know that you can make that distinction when talking about community input.

?
Have you ever see a pro seriously complaining about terran using only 1 unit?
This was shit since sC got crushed by NesTea and BitByBit a laughing stock among KR players


Just saying that it's very convenient that you can distinguish between idiots and pros when it fits your narrative when Nerchio routinely posts like an idiot on this forum.

Show me posts of him that you consider idiotic then


I won't, no.
No will to live, no wish to die
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
April 30 2017 18:15 GMT
#1666
Really needs a 4th
Community News
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ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
April 30 2017 18:16 GMT
#1667
On May 01 2017 03:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
So when it's maxed vs maxed with banks like that is it not worth it to go into a few hydras in TRUE's situation?


It can be, but I don't TRUE favors that style.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55593 Posts
April 30 2017 18:16 GMT
#1668
On May 01 2017 03:15 Ej_ wrote:
TRUE's inability to win a game that was over 10 minutes ago is astounding.

TRUE is out of his element playing with so many roaches
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-04-30 18:18:55
April 30 2017 18:16 GMT
#1669
Well TRUE slammed enough roaches into Nerchio to win.

I get that a race being 'imbalanced' is bad, I just don't think it's anywhere close to being a problem. The imbalances in the game are pretty slight and I think they matter much less than what the players do, it's not like the games feel unwinnable for Z/P/T.
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
April 30 2017 18:16 GMT
#1670
No, it was the cheese he won with. It was impossible to lose from there.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13014 Posts
April 30 2017 18:17 GMT
#1671
TRUE is so bad yet wins haha
Amazing.
Go Nerchio still
WriterMaru
Charoisaur
Profile Joined August 2014
Germany16086 Posts
April 30 2017 18:17 GMT
#1672
On May 01 2017 03:15 Ej_ wrote:
TRUE's inability to win a game that was over 10 minutes ago is astounding.

this is one of the games where it's good to stay in the game and tire your opponent out despite having a tiny chance to win.
Many of the coolest moments in sc2 happen due to worker harassment
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
April 30 2017 18:17 GMT
#1673
On May 01 2017 03:17 Poopi wrote:
TRUE is so bad yet wins haha
Amazing.
Go Nerchio still


How is he so bad?
djraphi23
Profile Joined August 2013
France2262 Posts
April 30 2017 18:17 GMT
#1674
Nerchio is right. If he can reach later games without being too behind, he'll win. He's just a better overall player.
Polt | Bomber | MMA | Taeja | Maru | TY | Byun | Innovation
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13014 Posts
April 30 2017 18:17 GMT
#1675
On May 01 2017 03:15 Nebuchad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2017 03:10 Poopi wrote:
On May 01 2017 03:08 Nebuchad wrote:
On May 01 2017 03:06 Poopi wrote:
On May 01 2017 03:03 Nebuchad wrote:
On May 01 2017 03:01 Poopi wrote:
On May 01 2017 02:58 Charoisaur wrote:
On May 01 2017 02:55 Poopi wrote:
On May 01 2017 02:54 Boggyb wrote:
On May 01 2017 02:50 Poopi wrote:
[quote]
That's why it's brilliant: even if they don't do it consciously, a part of them starts to think it, and in the public eyes if Nerchio wins he is that good, while if he loses it's just protoss being strong.
Zergs and terrans hate protoss so much that they often use this tool to make them feel guilty :D

There are vocal sections of the player base of each race that does that.

If a Terran player beats a Zerg player, Terran is OP.
If a Zerg player beats a Terran player, Zerg is OP.
And so on and so forth.

I don't put stock into what pro players say about balance because I don't trust or believe them.

I can assure you that zergs and terrans unite against protoss.
Like on Twitter both zergs and terrans pros would make fun of protoss for being the easy race.
It's partially true, but you don't see protoss and zergs team up against terrans, because zergs and terrans both hate protoss the most and would rather play ZvT/TvZ.

mmh I see protoss and zergs teaming up against terran from time to time.
"LOL terrans just spam marines across the map all day. They don't want to make other units and expect to win with 1 unit."

Maybe the idiots, but I'm talking about the pros there, not random redditors.


Nerchio is a pro so I don't know that you can make that distinction when talking about community input.

?
Have you ever see a pro seriously complaining about terran using only 1 unit?
This was shit since sC got crushed by NesTea and BitByBit a laughing stock among KR players


Just saying that it's very convenient that you can distinguish between idiots and pros when it fits your narrative when Nerchio routinely posts like an idiot on this forum.

Show me posts of him that you consider idiotic then


I won't, no.

How convenient
WriterMaru
OsaX Nymloth
Profile Joined March 2013
Poland3244 Posts
April 30 2017 18:17 GMT
#1676
On May 01 2017 03:12 pvsnp wrote:
Show nested quote +
Sure, but PvT has been hovering barely over 40% for MONTHS. With imba adepts. Still protoss hate is blind and everywhere.

Over the past ten weeks, the PvT winrates are as follows (reverse chronological):
52.79%
56.71%
49.75%
48.46%
54.37%

For an average of 52.42% over the past two and a half months. Which is to say that PvT has been hovering barely over 50% for MONTHS.

http://aligulac.com/periods/187/
http://aligulac.com/periods/186/
http://aligulac.com/periods/185/
http://aligulac.com/periods/184/
http://aligulac.com/periods/183/

I understand that Protoss had it very rough at the beginning of the year, but please get your facts straight.

And before that it was way worse for Protoss. But ok, still looking at threads and reading LR it seems like Protoss is usually having 8 spots in top8 of every tournament and have 95% winrate vs Terran with just amoving adepts. Protoss hate is unreal and truly disgusting, that triggers me. ~~
Twitter: @osaxnymloth
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France13014 Posts
April 30 2017 18:18 GMT
#1677
On May 01 2017 03:17 starkiller123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2017 03:17 Poopi wrote:
TRUE is so bad yet wins haha
Amazing.
Go Nerchio still


How is he so bad?

Almost lost that game
WriterMaru
D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
April 30 2017 18:18 GMT
#1678
On May 01 2017 03:17 Poopi wrote:
TRUE is so bad yet wins haha
Amazing.
Go Nerchio still

And yet Nerchio managed to lose.

Makes you ponder.
why even
starkiller123
Profile Joined January 2016
United States4030 Posts
April 30 2017 18:18 GMT
#1679
On May 01 2017 03:17 OsaX Nymloth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2017 03:12 pvsnp wrote:
Sure, but PvT has been hovering barely over 40% for MONTHS. With imba adepts. Still protoss hate is blind and everywhere.

Over the past ten weeks, the PvT winrates are as follows (reverse chronological):
52.79%
56.71%
49.75%
48.46%
54.37%

For an average of 52.42% over the past two and a half months. Which is to say that PvT has been hovering barely over 50% for MONTHS.

http://aligulac.com/periods/187/
http://aligulac.com/periods/186/
http://aligulac.com/periods/185/
http://aligulac.com/periods/184/
http://aligulac.com/periods/183/

I understand that Protoss had it very rough at the beginning of the year, but please get your facts straight.

And before that it was way worse for Protoss. But ok, still looking at threads and reading LR it seems like Protoss is usually having 8 spots in top8 of every tournament and have 95% winrate vs Terran with just amoving adepts. Protoss hate is unreal and truly disgusting, that triggers me. ~~


Yeah its disgusting, people will always find something to complain about, its inevitable
Fango
Profile Joined July 2016
United Kingdom8987 Posts
April 30 2017 18:18 GMT
#1680
On May 01 2017 03:15 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 01 2017 03:12 Fango wrote:
On May 01 2017 03:08 Ansibled wrote:
Does anyone really care if a race is 'OP'?

The games are fun.


Honestly man, it's just frustrating to watch players legitimately play amazing, and then lose to someone getting an ez-win with a broken allin. Especially when the player winning appears to be the weaker one it terms of talent.


I missed a lot of the series, but I think I saw enough to say MajOr/SpeCial only has himself to blame for not winning game 5 - the one that counts.


2 of the earlier games were adept allins that it looked like Major couldn't defend no matter what. Just the normal shades everywhere/warp prism in main etc.

g5 he was doing well, got a lot of widow mine kills on probes but didn't defend his third and attacked with too little of his army. It just annoys me how Neebs PvT is clealy weaker mechanically than Majors TvP but he can still win with the same allin.
Zest, sOs, PartinG, Dark, and Maru are the real champs. ROOT_herO is overrated. Snute, Serral, and Scarlett are the foreigner GOATs
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