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Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14460 Posts
November 23 2016 18:17 GMT
#41
On November 24 2016 03:03 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2016 02:12 Aeromi wrote:
Group C and D are played on the old map pool, RO8 will be played on the new one.

i assume there's no motion from any tournaments organizers to play on a good map pool during the off season?

Plot twist we tried that a few months ago and players complained because it was not the standard map pool.
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
November 23 2016 18:27 GMT
#42
On November 24 2016 03:17 Aeromi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2016 03:03 Ej_ wrote:
On November 24 2016 02:12 Aeromi wrote:
Group C and D are played on the old map pool, RO8 will be played on the new one.

i assume there's no motion from any tournaments organizers to play on a good map pool during the off season?

Plot twist we tried that a few months ago and players complained because it was not the standard map pool.

=.=
Gotta get used to seeing Daybreak for a few months again...
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
November 23 2016 18:32 GMT
#43
chargelot/archon vs mech, nice
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 23 2016 18:33 GMT
#44
On November 24 2016 03:17 Aeromi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2016 03:03 Ej_ wrote:
On November 24 2016 02:12 Aeromi wrote:
Group C and D are played on the old map pool, RO8 will be played on the new one.

i assume there's no motion from any tournaments organizers to play on a good map pool during the off season?

Plot twist we tried that a few months ago and players complained because it was not the standard map pool.


Yeah, that's always the reaction. Most players get the bulk of their practice through ladder, so of course they don't want a different map pool. Even in the GSL where players play a lot more customs, the non-ladder maps are picked less.

One way Blizzard could improve (though not solve) the situation would be to increase the number of maps on ladder to something like 11, so that tournaments could pick a subset of those maps for their map pool. This also allows tournaments to avoid significantly imbalanced maps. Besides with the increased prevalence of Bo5s in LotV, a map pool size increase would be welcome.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
November 23 2016 18:40 GMT
#45
yep mech is eternally bad vs Protoss
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9392 Posts
November 23 2016 19:28 GMT
#46
Don't really see the point in Ultras vs mech.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
November 23 2016 20:36 GMT
#47
good to know that progamers don't know how to beat mass carrier either
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
November 23 2016 20:39 GMT
#48
On November 24 2016 05:36 Ej_ wrote:
good to know that progamers don't know how to beat mass carrier either


When sOs is the carrier player it usually seems to work out for the zerg.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
November 23 2016 20:42 GMT
#49
On November 24 2016 03:33 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2016 03:17 Aeromi wrote:
On November 24 2016 03:03 Ej_ wrote:
On November 24 2016 02:12 Aeromi wrote:
Group C and D are played on the old map pool, RO8 will be played on the new one.

i assume there's no motion from any tournaments organizers to play on a good map pool during the off season?

Plot twist we tried that a few months ago and players complained because it was not the standard map pool.


Yeah, that's always the reaction. Most players get the bulk of their practice through ladder, so of course they don't want a different map pool. Even in the GSL where players play a lot more customs, the non-ladder maps are picked less.

One way Blizzard could improve (though not solve) the situation would be to increase the number of maps on ladder to something like 11, so that tournaments could pick a subset of those maps for their map pool. This also allows tournaments to avoid significantly imbalanced maps. Besides with the increased prevalence of Bo5s in LotV, a map pool size increase would be welcome.

Adding more maps to ladder might impact matchmaking?
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
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Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12887 Posts
November 23 2016 20:44 GMT
#50
Still Z/P winner match? fuk it's getting boring already, isn't the patch supposed to balance things out?
gogo mlord & ptitdrogo
WriterMaru
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-23 20:45:37
November 23 2016 20:45 GMT
#51
On November 24 2016 05:42 Ansibled wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2016 03:33 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
On November 24 2016 03:17 Aeromi wrote:
On November 24 2016 03:03 Ej_ wrote:
On November 24 2016 02:12 Aeromi wrote:
Group C and D are played on the old map pool, RO8 will be played on the new one.

i assume there's no motion from any tournaments organizers to play on a good map pool during the off season?

Plot twist we tried that a few months ago and players complained because it was not the standard map pool.


Yeah, that's always the reaction. Most players get the bulk of their practice through ladder, so of course they don't want a different map pool. Even in the GSL where players play a lot more customs, the non-ladder maps are picked less.

One way Blizzard could improve (though not solve) the situation would be to increase the number of maps on ladder to something like 11, so that tournaments could pick a subset of those maps for their map pool. This also allows tournaments to avoid significantly imbalanced maps. Besides with the increased prevalence of Bo5s in LotV, a map pool size increase would be welcome.

Adding more maps to ladder might impact matchmaking?


Maps don't affect matchmaking at all. Since the number of vetoes is less than half the map pool every player has at least a map that overlaps with every other player. So you just get matched against the opponent and then it chooses a map both players have.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
November 23 2016 20:47 GMT
#52
On November 24 2016 05:44 Poopi wrote:
Still Z/P winner match? fuk it's getting boring already, isn't the patch supposed to balance things out?
gogo mlord & ptitdrogo

Beasty tried to mech in TvP and it still doesn't work.
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
November 23 2016 21:17 GMT
#53
Glorious mech vs mech action
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
November 23 2016 22:11 GMT
#54
oh hey you can actually win with mech vs P if you are ahead enough
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9392 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-23 23:23:29
November 23 2016 23:22 GMT
#55
On November 24 2016 05:47 Ej_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 24 2016 05:44 Poopi wrote:
Still Z/P winner match? fuk it's getting boring already, isn't the patch supposed to balance things out?
gogo mlord & ptitdrogo

Beasty tried to mech in TvP and it still doesn't work.


Well to be fair he did get completely outsurrounded by Zealots. And when playing mech its 100% neccesary that you have a critical mass of hellbats (+ widow mines?) so you don't die to Zealots because that gets snowballed very fast.

It's better to have slightly too few tanks than slightly too few antizealot-units.

So that might be a composition-adjustment issue that players needs to figure out. It will definitely be exciting to follow the scene and I am sure blizzard will make balance adjustments if mech is still too weak.
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14460 Posts
November 25 2016 18:00 GMT
#56
Group C is live.
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
zyzzbrah888
Profile Joined April 2016
20 Posts
November 25 2016 18:59 GMT
#57
SortOf nice Viper play. losing all for nothing is the new meta
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14460 Posts
November 25 2016 20:46 GMT
#58
Casters are going to draw the bracket once this group is over. I'll update this thread and Liquipedia once the draw is over.
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12887 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-25 21:44:30
November 25 2016 21:44 GMT
#59
Crap I missed ByuN xD. How did Kelazhur take a game? gratz to him
(pls don't say it's because of mech)
WriterMaru
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55553 Posts
November 25 2016 21:50 GMT
#60
On November 26 2016 06:44 Poopi wrote:
Crap I missed ByuN xD. How did Kelazhur take a game? gratz to him
(pls don't say it's because of mech)

Reapers obviously.
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