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Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10076 Posts
November 15 2015 17:05 GMT
#401
reapers battle lol
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
ddayzy
Profile Joined September 2014
259 Posts
November 15 2015 17:11 GMT
#402
On November 16 2015 01:07 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 01:02 Musicus wrote:
On November 16 2015 01:00 Elentos wrote:
On November 16 2015 00:45 xccam wrote:
On November 16 2015 00:43 Elentos wrote:
On November 16 2015 00:42 Garrl wrote:
On November 16 2015 00:42 Elentos wrote:
This sucked and it's all on Solar.


?????????????????????????????

it sucked because he played well?

His strategies caused crappy games to happen.


You mean you want him to use bad strategies when playing for 10k?

As if you would.


So you're saying every single LotV strategy that doesn't involve roaches and/or ravagers is bad.


Then Life vs Lilbow was also bad because of Life, according to your logic.

And...? Even if Lilbow responded perfectly to every all-in, would that have made the games good? Doubtful.

Yes it would. I don't understand why people consider games that are not 20min+ bad. I love the intensitity in early game aggression which is why I'm loving LotV so much. The decision making and micro needed for those low eco aggressiv games are immense and much more entertaining to watch then turteling for 30+min and fight one-two fights and game over.
Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
November 15 2015 17:43 GMT
#403
LoTV is definitely more exciting than HoTS, due to the action happening faster although i have a feeling once Blizz swings the nerf bat on a few units, it turn out just like HoTS in the end, dull flat and boring units with a stale meta
keglu
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland485 Posts
November 15 2015 18:17 GMT
#404
On November 16 2015 00:10 HellHound wrote:
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On November 16 2015 00:08 JackBeckman wrote:
I don't really know. It seems like in every TvZ game I see the army of the zerg player is almost always bigger than the army of the Terran player, no matter how well the Terran player harasses etc. I know it's too early to say but it feels as if Zerg as a race is a bit too strong right now.

Show me a hots tvz where the zerg army isn't bigger if the terran hasn't done game ending damage


Im confused. Is it not standard bio TvZ where both sides stay at around equal supply(and that with Zerg having usually more workers)
It's not PvZ.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
November 15 2015 18:35 GMT
#405
On November 16 2015 02:11 ddayzy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 01:07 Elentos wrote:
On November 16 2015 01:02 Musicus wrote:
On November 16 2015 01:00 Elentos wrote:
On November 16 2015 00:45 xccam wrote:
On November 16 2015 00:43 Elentos wrote:
On November 16 2015 00:42 Garrl wrote:
On November 16 2015 00:42 Elentos wrote:
This sucked and it's all on Solar.


?????????????????????????????

it sucked because he played well?

His strategies caused crappy games to happen.


You mean you want him to use bad strategies when playing for 10k?

As if you would.


So you're saying every single LotV strategy that doesn't involve roaches and/or ravagers is bad.


Then Life vs Lilbow was also bad because of Life, according to your logic.

And...? Even if Lilbow responded perfectly to every all-in, would that have made the games good? Doubtful.

Yes it would. I don't understand why people consider games that are not 20min+ bad.

And I don't understand why people overinterpret comments on the internet. Oh well. I never said that, but there's a difference between short and intense games and short games where one player is obviously ded. Case in point, game 5. It was 4 minutes long but there was no intensity because TY was obviously gonna lose.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
November 15 2015 18:51 GMT
#406
On November 16 2015 03:17 keglu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 00:10 HellHound wrote:
On November 16 2015 00:08 JackBeckman wrote:
I don't really know. It seems like in every TvZ game I see the army of the zerg player is almost always bigger than the army of the Terran player, no matter how well the Terran player harasses etc. I know it's too early to say but it feels as if Zerg as a race is a bit too strong right now.

Show me a hots tvz where the zerg army isn't bigger if the terran hasn't done game ending damage


Im confused. Is it not standard bio TvZ where both sides stay at around equal supply(and that with Zerg having usually more workers)
It's not PvZ.

Zero army scales up more quickly because the units are weaker but cheaper. Once the game goes on long enough Terran had an army supply advantage.
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
keglu
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland485 Posts
November 15 2015 19:07 GMT
#407
On November 16 2015 03:51 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2015 03:17 keglu wrote:
On November 16 2015 00:10 HellHound wrote:
On November 16 2015 00:08 JackBeckman wrote:
I don't really know. It seems like in every TvZ game I see the army of the zerg player is almost always bigger than the army of the Terran player, no matter how well the Terran player harasses etc. I know it's too early to say but it feels as if Zerg as a race is a bit too strong right now.

Show me a hots tvz where the zerg army isn't bigger if the terran hasn't done game ending damage


Im confused. Is it not standard bio TvZ where both sides stay at around equal supply(and that with Zerg having usually more workers)
It's not PvZ.

Zero army scales up more quickly because the units are weaker but cheaper. Once the game goes on long enough Terran had an army supply advantage.


Hellions and marines which are core in early TvZ are cheapest units in the game (per supply)

DSK
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
England1110 Posts
November 15 2015 19:35 GMT
#408
I really wasn't expecting Solar to win this. Why the hell didn't he show up during Proleague :/
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jalstar
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States8198 Posts
November 15 2015 21:09 GMT
#409
I voted for solar even though he won, he's at the top of the ladder and seems to be a player finally realizing his potential.
smOOthMayDie
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States997 Posts
November 16 2015 00:46 GMT
#410
can we get replays??
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BathTubNZ
Profile Joined December 2011
New Zealand2556 Posts
November 16 2015 00:53 GMT
#411
TB has already said they aren't happening. Players prefer not to give them out, and very few people grab them anyway.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
November 16 2015 01:59 GMT
#412
On November 16 2015 02:43 Topdoller wrote:
LoTV is definitely more exciting than HoTS, due to the action happening faster although i have a feeling once Blizz swings the nerf bat on a few units, it turn out just like HoTS in the end, dull flat and boring units with a stale meta

I think it's quite clear the dev team want extremely powerful units that can allow for large comebacks.
Martinni
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada169 Posts
November 16 2015 16:24 GMT
#413
On November 16 2015 09:46 smOOthMayDie wrote:
can we get replays??


+1 would be nice to have the replays!
this is kinda like the guy that started milking and cows... what the hell was he doing?
ClanWars
Profile Blog Joined February 2014
United States330 Posts
November 16 2015 16:43 GMT
#414
On November 17 2015 01:24 Martinni wrote:
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On November 16 2015 09:46 smOOthMayDie wrote:
can we get replays??


+1 would be nice to have the replays!


For the umpteenth time, we are not releasing replays. It is absolutely not worth disadvantaging progamers for the few people who actually want to download them.
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ClanWars
Profile Blog Joined February 2014
United States330 Posts
November 16 2015 16:44 GMT
#415
Community bonus pool day 3 results


ByuN - $460

Solar - $250

TY - $160

Bomber - $130

267 total votes
SHOUTcraft Kings - Official account.
Ansibled
Profile Joined November 2014
United Kingdom9872 Posts
November 16 2015 16:50 GMT
#416
Well deserved for ByuN
'StarCraft is just a fairy tale told to scare children actually.'
TL+ Member
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55550 Posts
November 16 2015 17:17 GMT
#417
On November 17 2015 01:44 ClanWars wrote:
Community bonus pool day 3 results


ByuN - $460

Solar - $250

TY - $160

Bomber - $130

267 total votes

RIP Passion
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
DeathSoror
Profile Joined March 2010
United States122 Posts
November 17 2015 00:09 GMT
#418
On November 17 2015 01:43 ClanWars wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 01:24 Martinni wrote:
On November 16 2015 09:46 smOOthMayDie wrote:
can we get replays??


+1 would be nice to have the replays!


For the umpteenth time, we are not releasing replays. It is absolutely not worth disadvantaging progamers for the few people who actually want to download them.


Totally respect the pros not wanting to release their replays, but I will respectfully disagree that "few people" download them. Spawning Tool has really solid analytics about people looking at the data extracted from the replays as well as downloading the replays directly.

In anyways, thanks for the hard work and quick effort to run this tournament: it's great to see such high quality content and games happening so quickly in LotV!
Spawningtoolhttp://spawningtool.com - browse replays by players, maps, build orders, and upload your replays to see build orders
ClanWars
Profile Blog Joined February 2014
United States330 Posts
November 17 2015 02:53 GMT
#419
On November 17 2015 09:09 DeathSoror wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2015 01:43 ClanWars wrote:
On November 17 2015 01:24 Martinni wrote:
On November 16 2015 09:46 smOOthMayDie wrote:
can we get replays??


+1 would be nice to have the replays!


For the umpteenth time, we are not releasing replays. It is absolutely not worth disadvantaging progamers for the few people who actually want to download them.


Totally respect the pros not wanting to release their replays, but I will respectfully disagree that "few people" download them. Spawning Tool has really solid analytics about people looking at the data extracted from the replays as well as downloading the replays directly.

In anyways, thanks for the hard work and quick effort to run this tournament: it's great to see such high quality content and games happening so quickly in LotV!


I have my own metrics as to how many people download SHOUTcraft replays and the answer is nowhere near enough justifying making the pros uncomfortable.
SHOUTcraft Kings - Official account.
Varest
Profile Joined August 2014
Austria44 Posts
November 17 2015 05:08 GMT
#420
It's just that it's really difficult to find pro replays and build orders so short after release of the expansion. There's probably more demand than there was for earlier shoutcraft tournaments.
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