EPT[SPL] KT vs Jin Air Match 2 - Postseason 2015 - Page 51
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20-Minute-Jackal
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b0ub0u
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
On September 23 2015 05:23 b0ub0u wrote: Can someone explain to me the format? The first serie was not winner stay. The second one is? I guess it's a BO3? If they had played a third series would it have been winner stay too? The last day would have been the same as the first. Normal proleage format different players every map | ||
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swissman777
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swissman777
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On September 23 2015 05:23 b0ub0u wrote: Can someone explain to me the format? The first serie was not winner stay. The second one is? I guess it's a BO3? If they had played a third series would it have been winner stay too? Nope regular proleague format. To TL: everyone's asking this question; it'd me nice if you guys make it really obvious on the pro league page. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
On September 23 2015 04:51 Silvana wrote: I don't really think they can even think about personal pride in such circumstance. They sent Zest because he supposedly prepared that map. I think if Life showed up in Vaani when he didn't prepare that map then he could have put a poor performance... Remember the guys had only 1 day to practice after being focused on one specific map for a week or more. So in the end it was a choice between 1- sending Life unprepared on Vaani and Zest unprepared on Echo, or 2- send Zest prepared on Vaani and Stats unprepared on Echo. IMO 2- sounds much better. I think that reasoning doesn't hold. sOs couldn't be prepared on both Vaani and Echo, so in the end it was more a case of sending Life vs sOs then Zest vs sOs on OK maps, rather than sending Zest on a map he lost on yesterday then being pidgeonholed into sending Stats. I'd go for the first option every day. No one will ever know if that would have changed anything, maybe Life gets mauled on Vaani and Zest loses on Echo, but Stats as ace just didn't sound right. | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
On September 23 2015 05:01 sharkie wrote: Because KT went from easy champions to 4th place even though their roster is better than last year. It's only the coach's fault. Jin Air also improved a lot from last season. The coach change helped them a lot, KT got worse It's impossible to determine the extents of a coach's influence on the level of a team league squad. KT's performance has been poor this year compared to last, and I'm inclined to put a part of the blame on the coach, but it impossible to reasonably say that it's only the coach's fault. The coach does not play the games. Everything cannot under any circumstances be pinned on him. | ||
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Silvana
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On September 23 2015 05:50 Zealously wrote: It's impossible to determine the extents of a coach's influence on the level of a team league squad. KT's performance has been poor this year compared to last, and I'm inclined to put a part of the blame on the coach, but it impossible to reasonably say that it's only the coach's fault. The coach does not play the games. Everything cannot under any circumstances be pinned on him. True. And this is why we need you to get in touch with Life again and get some info on wtf is going on  | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
On September 23 2015 05:52 Silvana wrote: True. And this is why we need you to get in touch with Life again and get some info on wtf is going on If Life loses to Lilbow at Blizzcon (or barely wins Lilbow and fails horribly next round), threads about him burning out and slumping will be legitimate. As for me, I'll hold any judgement until Blizzcon. That kind can catch fire at any time. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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On September 23 2015 05:56 [PkF] Wire wrote: If Life loses to Lilbow at Blizzcon (or barely wins Lilbow and fails horribly next round), threads about him burning out and slumping will be legitimate. As for me, I'll hold any judgement until Blizzcon. That kind can catch fire at any time. The problem is that Life should be the Zerg ace for KT in proleague, that has to be important to him as well, otherwise he probably shouldn't have joined KT :/ | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24192 Posts
On September 23 2015 06:00 The_Red_Viper wrote: The problem is that Life should be the Zerg ace for KT in proleague, that has to be important to him as well, otherwise he probably shouldn't have joined KT :/ yeah I definitely agree signing Life isn't turning out to be a good decision, for reasons I don't know he just didn't perform well for KT, which is what he gets a big paycheck every month for. But I still have faith in Life as a champion. | ||
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dazed25
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On September 23 2015 02:20 stuchiu wrote: The natural rebuttal then is that Ryu Won has been one of the most consistent coaches of all time. There is such a thing as overcoaching. And a coach that can get the best out of mediocre players may not be suited as a coach to deal with more talented players that have an ego. It happens in sports all the time. You can't blame it entirely on the coaches because they aren't the ones in the booth but anyone that has been following KT this year will agree there is a lack of chemistry and negative energy around the team. Also some very visible coaching blunders over the course of the year. This isn't just some knee jerk fan reaction over a loss. KT has been mediocre throughout this year and dragged itself into season playoffs due to some one-off explosive performances and Zest. | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On September 23 2015 03:14 stuchiu wrote: Here is how I saw Day 1. Flash and Life lost because they were outplayed. sOs/Pigbaby won off of prep, but the way they won was so out of eft field that no one should have been able to predict what they were going to do. Super won off prep. Ryu Won cannot literally go into the game and make Flash/Life play better. Here'"s how I see it : any coach > that Ryu Won scrub who made KT go from PL champions to 4th place. It's not even about losing to JAGW, that's just a match in a season which is nothing, it's about the way they played terribly during the whole fucking season despite having always a top3 toss (Stats or Zest), the best Zerg in the world when he was bought, and two traditional PL monsters (TY and FlaSh). I don't know if you realize : KT, 2014 PL champions, were basically carried to the season playoffs thanks to Zest. It means there's something very wrong about the team, and since the players didn't change much, and we can only assume that environment didn't change much either, well... that leaves us only with the coaching, be it relationships with players or method of training. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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I wonder if they will change the coaching staff and/or players for next season. | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On September 23 2015 07:29 OtherWorld wrote: Here'"s how I see it : any coach > that Ryu Won scrub who made KT go from PL champions to 4th place. It's not even about losing to JAGW, that's just a match in a season which is nothing, it's about the way they played terribly during the whole fucking season despite having always a top3 toss (Stats or Zest), the best Zerg in the world when he was bought, and two traditional PL monsters (TY and FlaSh). I don't know if you realize : KT, 2014 PL champions, were basically carried to the season playoffs thanks to Zest. It means there's something very wrong about the team, and since the players didn't change much, and we can only assume that environment didn't change much either, well... that leaves us only with the coaching, be it relationships with players or method of training. All Ryu Won ever did was get multiple championships and top placings for Slayers, WJS and JA. All he was ever given was high praise by his peers and players. Yes surely it must be his fault! | ||
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Silvana
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The_Red_Viper
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On September 23 2015 07:36 stuchiu wrote: All Ryu Won ever did was get multiple championships and top placings for Slayers, WJS and JA. All he was ever given was high praise by his peers and players. Yes surely it must be his fault! What kind of logic is that? Because he did good things in the past it automatically means he will always be on the same level of coaching, regardless what happens around him? Euh, no. This obviously also applies to KT's players and their performance last year, but both parties are probably to blaim here and it is more common to change the coach, then all/most of the players | ||
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Blaming coaching staff as the major factor is just scapegoating. I'm not saying it was or wasnt his fault, but no one can verify or even back up that claim. People's skills and results go up and all down all the time regardless of coach/team. It could just as easily be the case that Ryu Won is a great coach, but doesnt work well with this team or the team as a whole failed to execute what they practiced. Also you dont need team synergy to win in SC2 team leagues, what? | ||
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Silvana
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stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On September 23 2015 07:44 Silvana wrote: Why are we trash talking Ryu Won anyways? I think if we are to blindly blame someone here it has to be H.O.T. no? Anyone even know what a manager does? | ||
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