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Senseless bashing of foreigners and WCS game quality is not permitted today. Criticism is fine, but let's not repeat yesterday's mess. Games can be enjoyed without the presence of constant vitriol.
14:18 GMT (+00:00) Edit: This is your friendly reminder that whining about Protoss is an old and tired thing. Don't.
-Zealously
shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
September 13 2015 20:01 GMT
#4761
Apparently Millenium is sending lilbow to korea to train until blizzcon.
RIP MKP
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
September 13 2015 20:02 GMT
#4762
On September 14 2015 05:01 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Congrats to Lilbow Best foreigner atm?

not even close
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
September 13 2015 20:02 GMT
#4763
On September 14 2015 05:01 shid0x wrote:
Apparently Millenium is sending lilbow to korea to train until blizzcon.

seriously ? Source ?
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-13 20:02:45
September 13 2015 20:02 GMT
#4764
On September 14 2015 05:00 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 04:56 [PkF] Wire wrote:
let's do the odds for every opponent :
vs herO : 5-95
vs PartinG : 10-90
vs Life : 10-90
vs Maru : 0-100
vs Hydra : 55-45
vs Rain : 20-80
vs Classic : 0-100
vs Polt : 45-55
vs Dream : 30-70 ? (which Dream is going to show up at Blizzcon ?)
vs Zest : 0-100
vs Rogue : 10-90
vs Byul : 1-99
vs FanTaSy : 30-70
vs INno : 10-90
vs Dear : 35-65
vs Gumiho : 45-55
vs Hyun : 35-65
vs sOs : 10-90

I think he might be even with HyuN. I'd also change polt to 35-65 and Dream to 10-90.


And Gumi to about 25-75, no way he has a better shot at beating Gumi than he has of beating Fanta
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
September 13 2015 20:03 GMT
#4765
On September 14 2015 05:02 showstealer1829 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 05:00 The_Templar wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:56 [PkF] Wire wrote:
let's do the odds for every opponent :
vs herO : 5-95
vs PartinG : 10-90
vs Life : 10-90
vs Maru : 0-100
vs Hydra : 55-45
vs Rain : 20-80
vs Classic : 0-100
vs Polt : 45-55
vs Dream : 30-70 ? (which Dream is going to show up at Blizzcon ?)
vs Zest : 0-100
vs Rogue : 10-90
vs Byul : 1-99
vs FanTaSy : 30-70
vs INno : 10-90
vs Dear : 35-65
vs Gumiho : 45-55
vs Hyun : 35-65
vs sOs : 10-90

I think he might be even with HyuN. I'd also change polt to 35-65 and Dream to 10-90.


And Gumi to about 25-75, no way he has a better shot at beating Gumi than he has of beating Fanta

yeah I don't know why I was so harsh with Gumigod
HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
September 13 2015 20:03 GMT
#4766
On September 14 2015 04:59 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 04:58 Boucot wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:57 Ansibled wrote:
So what situations happen for lilbow to not make it, since it is 99.99%? Just curious.

Break his arm while biking.

nah there is some scenario with Gumiho/Dear winning GSL, Dark and Hyun coming to DH, something along those lines, but it's so unlikely I don't even know why we should talk about it. Lilbow is set for Blizzcon.

Rouge makes finals loses to gumiho/dear who then attends DH in which lilbow get's knocked out before ro16 where ro2 is dark fanta
Classic GosoO |sOs| Everyone has to give in, let Life win | Zest Is The Best | Roach Cultist | I recognize the might and wisdom of my Otherworldly overlord | Air vs Air 200/200 SC2 is best SC2 | PRIME has been robbed | Fuck prime go ST | ROACH ROACH ROACH
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
September 13 2015 20:03 GMT
#4767
On September 14 2015 05:01 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 05:00 The_Templar wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:56 [PkF] Wire wrote:
let's do the odds for every opponent :
vs herO : 5-95
vs PartinG : 10-90
vs Life : 10-90
vs Maru : 0-100
vs Hydra : 55-45
vs Rain : 20-80
vs Classic : 0-100
vs Polt : 45-55
vs Dream : 30-70 ? (which Dream is going to show up at Blizzcon ?)
vs Zest : 0-100
vs Rogue : 10-90
vs Byul : 1-99
vs FanTaSy : 30-70
vs INno : 10-90
vs Dear : 35-65
vs Gumiho : 45-55
vs Hyun : 35-65
vs sOs : 10-90

I think he might be even with HyuN. I'd also change polt to 35-65 and Dream to 10-90.

I would do the same for Dream if I was sure he was not just lost for the game. How long has it been since the last time he played a decent game vs any race ?

I mean he was one game away from the SSL ro8 twice
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imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
September 13 2015 20:03 GMT
#4768
On September 14 2015 05:03 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 05:02 showstealer1829 wrote:
On September 14 2015 05:00 The_Templar wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:56 [PkF] Wire wrote:
let's do the odds for every opponent :
vs herO : 5-95
vs PartinG : 10-90
vs Life : 10-90
vs Maru : 0-100
vs Hydra : 55-45
vs Rain : 20-80
vs Classic : 0-100
vs Polt : 45-55
vs Dream : 30-70 ? (which Dream is going to show up at Blizzcon ?)
vs Zest : 0-100
vs Rogue : 10-90
vs Byul : 1-99
vs FanTaSy : 30-70
vs INno : 10-90
vs Dear : 35-65
vs Gumiho : 45-55
vs Hyun : 35-65
vs sOs : 10-90

I think he might be even with HyuN. I'd also change polt to 35-65 and Dream to 10-90.


And Gumi to about 25-75, no way he has a better shot at beating Gumi than he has of beating Fanta

yeah I don't know why I was so harsh with Gumigod


Coz gumi vP is really hit or miss.
Zest fanboy.
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
September 13 2015 20:03 GMT
#4769
On September 14 2015 05:00 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 04:56 [PkF] Wire wrote:
let's do the odds for every opponent :
vs herO : 5-95
vs PartinG : 10-90
vs Life : 10-90
vs Maru : 0-100
vs Hydra : 55-45
vs Rain : 20-80
vs Classic : 0-100
vs Polt : 45-55
vs Dream : 30-70 ? (which Dream is going to show up at Blizzcon ?)
vs Zest : 0-100
vs Rogue : 10-90
vs Byul : 1-99
vs FanTaSy : 30-70
vs INno : 10-90
vs Dear : 35-65
vs Gumiho : 45-55
vs Hyun : 35-65
vs sOs : 10-90

I think he might be even with HyuN. I'd also change polt to 35-65 and Dream to 10-90.


There's too much luck involved in Starcraft for there to be 0-100 matchups even in a bo5.
fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
September 13 2015 20:04 GMT
#4770
On September 14 2015 05:02 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 05:01 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Congrats to Lilbow Best foreigner atm?

not even close


And which foreigner would be so much better than Lilbow? Aligulac doesn't seem to find a secret contender
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
September 13 2015 20:04 GMT
#4771
On September 14 2015 05:00 Makro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 04:57 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:56 Makro wrote:
blizzcon isn't supposed to have the 16 best player of earth at the first place, it's a end year tournament where the champions of all of the regions (korea, wcs) meet (like the world cup)

if you watch SSL, GSL and proleague on a daily basis this is where you can watch the 16 best player of the world all year long

and that's great
yeah I guess we should take WCS and Blizzcon for what they're worth, and just try to enjoy ourselves.

that's why i think the complain coming from lilbow being at blizzcon comes from a wrong definition of what is blizzcon in their point of view

No. Some people just have trouble processing the fact that a Korean passport is not a win condition in SC2, and will bitch and whine whenever a decently good Korean is beaten by a foreigner.
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
September 13 2015 20:04 GMT
#4772
On September 14 2015 05:03 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 05:03 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On September 14 2015 05:02 showstealer1829 wrote:
On September 14 2015 05:00 The_Templar wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:56 [PkF] Wire wrote:
let's do the odds for every opponent :
vs herO : 5-95
vs PartinG : 10-90
vs Life : 10-90
vs Maru : 0-100
vs Hydra : 55-45
vs Rain : 20-80
vs Classic : 0-100
vs Polt : 45-55
vs Dream : 30-70 ? (which Dream is going to show up at Blizzcon ?)
vs Zest : 0-100
vs Rogue : 10-90
vs Byul : 1-99
vs FanTaSy : 30-70
vs INno : 10-90
vs Dear : 35-65
vs Gumiho : 45-55
vs Hyun : 35-65
vs sOs : 10-90

I think he might be even with HyuN. I'd also change polt to 35-65 and Dream to 10-90.


And Gumi to about 25-75, no way he has a better shot at beating Gumi than he has of beating Fanta

yeah I don't know why I was so harsh with Gumigod


Coz gumi vP is really hit or miss.

definitely but I agree with the previous user he should be at around the same odds as Fanta, something between 20-80 and 30-70
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
September 13 2015 20:04 GMT
#4773
On September 14 2015 05:04 fezvez wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 05:02 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On September 14 2015 05:01 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Congrats to Lilbow Best foreigner atm?

not even close


And which foreigner would be so much better than Lilbow? Aligulac doesn't seem to find a secret contender

I mean no one comes even close
Fighter
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1531 Posts
September 13 2015 20:04 GMT
#4774
A lot of great series, but nothing beats LilBows comeback against Hydra. That would have been legendary if it had been the final.
For Aiur???
imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
September 13 2015 20:04 GMT
#4775
On September 14 2015 05:04 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 05:03 sAsImre wrote:
On September 14 2015 05:03 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On September 14 2015 05:02 showstealer1829 wrote:
On September 14 2015 05:00 The_Templar wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:56 [PkF] Wire wrote:
let's do the odds for every opponent :
vs herO : 5-95
vs PartinG : 10-90
vs Life : 10-90
vs Maru : 0-100
vs Hydra : 55-45
vs Rain : 20-80
vs Classic : 0-100
vs Polt : 45-55
vs Dream : 30-70 ? (which Dream is going to show up at Blizzcon ?)
vs Zest : 0-100
vs Rogue : 10-90
vs Byul : 1-99
vs FanTaSy : 30-70
vs INno : 10-90
vs Dear : 35-65
vs Gumiho : 45-55
vs Hyun : 35-65
vs sOs : 10-90

I think he might be even with HyuN. I'd also change polt to 35-65 and Dream to 10-90.


And Gumi to about 25-75, no way he has a better shot at beating Gumi than he has of beating Fanta

yeah I don't know why I was so harsh with Gumigod


Coz gumi vP is really hit or miss.

definitely but I agree with the previous user he should be at around the same odds as Fanta, something between 20-80 and 30-70


yeah imo rain might be his best shot amongst the top koreans, still not sold on his PvP
Zest fanboy.
fezvez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
September 13 2015 20:05 GMT
#4776
On September 14 2015 05:04 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 05:04 fezvez wrote:
On September 14 2015 05:02 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On September 14 2015 05:01 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Congrats to Lilbow Best foreigner atm?

not even close


And which foreigner would be so much better than Lilbow? Aligulac doesn't seem to find a secret contender

I mean no one comes even close

Oh, ok
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24192 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-13 20:06:04
September 13 2015 20:05 GMT
#4777
On September 14 2015 05:03 ZigguratOfUr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 05:00 The_Templar wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:56 [PkF] Wire wrote:
let's do the odds for every opponent :
vs herO : 5-95
vs PartinG : 10-90
vs Life : 10-90
vs Maru : 0-100
vs Hydra : 55-45
vs Rain : 20-80
vs Classic : 0-100
vs Polt : 45-55
vs Dream : 30-70 ? (which Dream is going to show up at Blizzcon ?)
vs Zest : 0-100
vs Rogue : 10-90
vs Byul : 1-99
vs FanTaSy : 30-70
vs INno : 10-90
vs Dear : 35-65
vs Gumiho : 45-55
vs Hyun : 35-65
vs sOs : 10-90

I think he might be even with HyuN. I'd also change polt to 35-65 and Dream to 10-90.


There's too much luck involved in Starcraft for there to be 0-100 matchups even in a bo5.

0-100 = yeah there's a possibility but it's like 1 in 10000 series, so closer to 0-100 than 1-99
Thax
Profile Joined July 2014
Belgium1060 Posts
September 13 2015 20:05 GMT
#4778
On September 14 2015 04:57 Ansibled wrote:
So what situations happen for lilbow to not make it, since it is 99.99%? Just curious.


I took a quick look at the WCS ranking and came up with this:
-Lilbow doesn't go to Dreamhack, or doesn't get any points there.
+ Gumiho or Dear win GSL
+ Rogue gets to GSL finals (or if he gets GSL semifinals he'll be tied with Lilbow, so getting some points in Kespa Cup then would do too.)
+ Fantasy or sOs goes to and wins Dreamhack
+ Fantasy or sOs wins Kespa Cup (the person who didn't win Dreamhack needs to win this)

If one of those things doesn't happen he's guaranteed to go through I think.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
September 13 2015 20:05 GMT
#4779
Grats lilbow!
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FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
September 13 2015 20:06 GMT
#4780
On September 14 2015 04:56 [PkF] Wire wrote:
let's do the odds for every opponent :
vs herO : 5-95
vs PartinG : 10-90
vs Life : 10-90
vs Maru : 0-100
vs Hydra : 55-45
vs Rain : 20-80
vs Classic : 0-100
vs Polt : 45-55
vs Dream : 30-70 ? (which Dream is going to show up at Blizzcon ?)
vs Zest : 0-100
vs Rogue : 10-90
vs Byul : 1-99
vs FanTaSy : 30-70
vs INno : 10-90
vs Dear : 35-65
vs Gumiho : 45-55
vs Hyun : 35-65
vs sOs : 10-90


Aligulac says Lilbow wins a bo5:

vs herO : 44.08%
vs PartinG : 54.13%
vs Life : 51.58%
vs Maru : 32.21%
vs Hydra : 47.79%
vs Rain : 40.72%
vs Classic : 30.50%
vs Polt : 34.75%
vs Dream : 30.86%
vs Zest : 17.91%
vs Rogue : 63.59%
vs Byul : 58.93%
vs FanTaSy : 47.72%
vs INno : 17.31%
vs Dear : 47.34%
vs Gumiho : 41.80%
vs Hyun : 56.76%
vs sOs : 37.10%

So only Zest and Innovation are really out of his league
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