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Senseless bashing of foreigners and WCS game quality is not permitted today. Criticism is fine, but let's not repeat yesterday's mess. Games can be enjoyed without the presence of constant vitriol.
14:18 GMT (+00:00) Edit: This is your friendly reminder that whining about Protoss is an old and tired thing. Don't.
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On September 14 2015 04:51 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 04:48 Inflicted wrote:On September 14 2015 04:45 Zealously wrote:On September 14 2015 04:43 Estancia wrote:On September 14 2015 04:41 sharkie wrote:On September 14 2015 04:40 Otolia wrote:
Lilbow is 13th on Blizzcon list so he probably gets Life, PartinG or Maru. Parting's PvP sucks. With good BO Lilbow could totally win that series. Life's on a quite a bit of a slump so he might have a shot at that? Obviously Maru's the worst draw. He wrecks protoss, and I think his wrists are better now. KT were considered slumping before today's R4 Finals, then they won the whole thing. People thought Life was pretty bad before Blizzcon last year, then he won that. I don't think Life's reluctance to work harder than he needs to affects Blizzcon: he will work his ass off for the chance at another WC title. KT won off TY and Zest who were the only players considered not slumping They won three bo7s in a row with wins from Life, Stats, TY and Zest. I think general consensus was that they were disfavored against both CJ and SKT. The point is that people look at how teams and players have played in the past and assume that rapid returns to form are out of the question, even when such returns have happened to the very same teams/players before. Predicting KT to be shut down by SKT is just as iffy as thinking a slumping 9-time premier champion wouldn't regain his edge in 8 weeks of concerted practice. Just a pet peeve.
Who would favour CJ over KT in allkill format? Definitely not people who know CJ Entus...
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On September 14 2015 04:48 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 04:46 BaneRiders wrote:On September 14 2015 04:43 Zealously wrote:On September 14 2015 04:40 Topin wrote:On September 14 2015 04:40 Zealously wrote:On September 14 2015 04:37 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 14 2015 04:37 showstealer1829 wrote:
ggwp.
He's going to get 0-3'd so hardcore at Blizzcon though he could take games vs Life, he'll get trashed vs herO/PartinG or Maru though. He could take a game vs Life. Maybe. like sjow? Like Naniwa at IEM New York, where Life couldn't lose even though he tried I dunno man, that was an exiting match and a great tournament overall! Overconfidence cost Life a map or two perhaps, but it was a great final nevertheless I thought.  It was a great end to a great tournament, and those two were my favorite players at the time, but one exception to the rule of Life usually making short work of all non-Scarlett foreigners does not equate to Life losing to Lilbow at the tournament he values the most 
True enough, but he will have to work for it, or he'll have blinkstalkers everywhere. 
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On September 14 2015 04:50 RaFox17 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 04:48 Thax wrote:On September 14 2015 04:42 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Lilbow being the most successful foreigner of the year shows both how bad the foreign scene is and some of the worst aspects of SC2's design. this is the last I'll say of it and I'm sorry for being so bitter today. GGs regardless.
User was temp banned for this post. You really can't help but being a raging asshole almost everytime you say something can't you? It´s an opinion. Same as you thinking that he´s an asshole. Theres some truth in there.
Warning, I am going to state things I don't believe in in order to prove a point.
It is the opinion of some that the Holocaust did not happen. There is some truth in that?
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On September 14 2015 04:50 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 04:50 OtherWorld wrote:On September 14 2015 04:48 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 14 2015 04:47 OtherWorld wrote:On September 14 2015 04:44 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I dont like the mentality of trying to invalidate a player's win immediately after he got it, so sad. Lilbow showed up to today and played great, very pleased with the performance and the quality of the games! You don't understand man, it's totally Lilbow's fault there weren't herO, Zest, INnoVation and ByuL participating in this tournament. ahah ofc not, but calling this the hardest tournament ever is just fraudulent. Say that after he wins Blizzcon. I don't think anybody here called that the hardest tournament ever, except the same people who try to mock those who are happy for Lilbow? didn't the host say that ?
Rotti said "Could it get any harder than that?" while listing off the players he beat but in hindsight he meant compared to the rest of WCS since Lilbow did play and beat most of the Koreans (not Polt though)
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On September 14 2015 04:50 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 04:50 OtherWorld wrote:On September 14 2015 04:48 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 14 2015 04:47 OtherWorld wrote:On September 14 2015 04:44 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I dont like the mentality of trying to invalidate a player's win immediately after he got it, so sad. Lilbow showed up to today and played great, very pleased with the performance and the quality of the games! You don't understand man, it's totally Lilbow's fault there weren't herO, Zest, INnoVation and ByuL participating in this tournament. ahah ofc not, but calling this the hardest tournament ever is just fraudulent. Say that after he wins Blizzcon. I don't think anybody here called that the hardest tournament ever, except the same people who try to mock those who are happy for Lilbow? didn't the host say that ?
No. He was saying something about the path Lilbow took to get to the final was the hardest. If you view this in the context of this tournament I'd definitely agree with that. Either way no one said anything about the tournament itself being the hardest.
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On September 14 2015 04:50 RaFox17 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 04:48 Thax wrote:On September 14 2015 04:42 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Lilbow being the most successful foreigner of the year shows both how bad the foreign scene is and some of the worst aspects of SC2's design. this is the last I'll say of it and I'm sorry for being so bitter today. GGs regardless.
User was temp banned for this post. You really can't help but being a raging asshole almost everytime you say something can't you? It´s an opinion. Same as you thinking that he´s an asshole. Theres some truth in there.
Yes, of course it's an opinion. Thank you for stating the obvious.
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On September 14 2015 04:47 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Lilbow was playing better than most of what we saw earlier today in the ProLeague Round 4 Finals. He's not on Zest's level, but he can win a series against most of the people at Blizzcon. Ro4 isn't impossible. It really just depends on the bracket. (Blizzcon has a bad tendency of half the field not being at the top of their game.)
Ro4 isn't impossible, but I wouldn't bet on it.
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shoutout to the insanely good crowd, certainly one of the best crowds i have ever seen
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On September 14 2015 04:52 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 04:50 sAsImre wrote:On September 14 2015 04:48 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Top 3 players Lilbow can't beat at Blizzcon, in that order:
Maru
Zest
Byul
Everyone's gonna be incredibly tough but those three are basically impossible. add herO to the list. You just don't outblink him. I feel Lilbow can play dirty enough to somehow upset herO like sOs
so hard to cheese someone out of a bo5 tho.
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On September 14 2015 04:35 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Lilbow has taken the torch from Stephano now, incredible. Foreign hope lives on.
Not quite. Lilbow is a great foreigner, and probably the best in 2015, but there are quite a few other foreigners who have been far better than Lilbow over the years (and so would have taken the torch from Stephano long before Lilbow was even relevant). Naniwa, Scarlett, Snute, etc.
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On September 14 2015 04:53 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 04:52 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On September 14 2015 04:50 sAsImre wrote:On September 14 2015 04:48 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Top 3 players Lilbow can't beat at Blizzcon, in that order:
Maru
Zest
Byul
Everyone's gonna be incredibly tough but those three are basically impossible. add herO to the list. You just don't outblink him. I feel Lilbow can play dirty enough to somehow upset herO like sOs so hard to cheese someone out of a bo5 tho.
Inca got to a GSL finals. Anything is possible.
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On September 14 2015 04:50 RaFox17 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 04:48 Thax wrote:On September 14 2015 04:42 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Lilbow being the most successful foreigner of the year shows both how bad the foreign scene is and some of the worst aspects of SC2's design. this is the last I'll say of it and I'm sorry for being so bitter today. GGs regardless.
User was temp banned for this post. You really can't help but being a raging asshole almost everytime you say something can't you? It´s an opinion. Same as you thinking that he´s an asshole. Theres some truth in there.
the way you present an opinion is not a fundamental element of the fact that it is an opinion
"it's my opinion, man" is what people say when they get called in being unable to have an adult conversation
(in sgtks case i like him and understand he just gets frustrated but sometimes you have to draw a line out of respect for others...)
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On September 14 2015 04:54 Solar424 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 04:53 sAsImre wrote:On September 14 2015 04:52 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On September 14 2015 04:50 sAsImre wrote:On September 14 2015 04:48 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Top 3 players Lilbow can't beat at Blizzcon, in that order:
Maru
Zest
Byul
Everyone's gonna be incredibly tough but those three are basically impossible. add herO to the list. You just don't outblink him. I feel Lilbow can play dirty enough to somehow upset herO like sOs so hard to cheese someone out of a bo5 tho. Ince got to a GSL finals. Anything is possible.
tangtang beating Zest 2-0 is my best upset of all time so far :D
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On September 14 2015 04:52 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 04:45 REyeM wrote:
Hey guys Lilbow is going to blizzcon and soO isn't yeah but soO played badly this year and didn't get results for it (except that IEM and Kespa Cup)
"played badly" or "played extremely difficult opponents in an unforgiving format?" soO was easily a top 5 zerg this year if not top 3. Played muchhhhh better in PL this year than any previous year and was consistently strong. It's easy to look at his results in GSL and act like he isn't good but come on
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On September 14 2015 04:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 04:35 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Lilbow has taken the torch from Stephano now, incredible. Foreign hope lives on. Not quite. Lilbow is a great foreigner, and probably the best in 2015, but there are quite a few other foreigners who have been far better than Lilbow over the years (and so would have taken the torch from Stephano long before Lilbow was even relevant). Naniwa, Scarlett, Snute, etc.
Naniwa definitely on Lilbow's level. Scarlett and Snute kept losing too many times to foreigners for me to put them on lilbow's level though.
At their peak Scarlett and Snute are definitely above Lilbow but on average? Lilbow all the way
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On September 14 2015 04:52 fezvez wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 04:50 RaFox17 wrote:On September 14 2015 04:48 Thax wrote:On September 14 2015 04:42 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Lilbow being the most successful foreigner of the year shows both how bad the foreign scene is and some of the worst aspects of SC2's design. this is the last I'll say of it and I'm sorry for being so bitter today. GGs regardless.
User was temp banned for this post. You really can't help but being a raging asshole almost everytime you say something can't you? It´s an opinion. Same as you thinking that he´s an asshole. Theres some truth in there. Warning, I am going to state things I don't believe in in order to prove a point. It's my opinion that the Holocaust did not happen. There is some truth in that?
Historical facts and someone being or not being an asshole are not really the same thing. There are proofs of holocaust that do not depend on your opinion. Someone being an asshole depends on your opinion usually.
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On September 14 2015 04:49 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 04:46 stuchiu wrote:On September 14 2015 04:44 sAsImre wrote:On September 14 2015 04:43 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 14 2015 04:41 sAsImre wrote:On September 14 2015 04:41 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On September 14 2015 04:37 The_Templar wrote:On September 14 2015 04:37 showstealer1829 wrote:
ggwp.
He's going to get 0-3'd so hardcore at Blizzcon though Things will be unbearable if he actually does well at blizzcon. He has a decent shot imo. Anyone except Inno/Maru/Parting/Zest is beatable by him add herO to the list. and Rogue, and Byul, and anyone except Polt/Hydra, man are you serious ? Even FanTaSy would wipe the floor with him if he plays seriously. Fanta is shit tier. Rogue and Byul are zergs and you can totally steal a bo5 in PvZ. Fantasy beats Rain on a regular basis. Fanta dies to stalkers on a regular basis too. His highs are pretty good but then he derps ultra hard.
that doesnt make him shit tier.
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On September 14 2015 04:53 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 04:35 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
Lilbow has taken the torch from Stephano now, incredible. Foreign hope lives on. Not quite. Lilbow is a great foreigner, and probably the best in 2015, but there are quite a few other foreigners who have been far better than Lilbow over the years (and so would have taken the torch from Stephano long before Lilbow was even relevant). Naniwa, Scarlett, Snute, etc.
Yea, Lilbow did great these past months, but he has to prove some longevity if he wants to claim a spot in the list of greatest foreigners IMO.
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On September 14 2015 04:55 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 04:49 sAsImre wrote:On September 14 2015 04:46 stuchiu wrote:On September 14 2015 04:44 sAsImre wrote:On September 14 2015 04:43 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 14 2015 04:41 sAsImre wrote:On September 14 2015 04:41 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On September 14 2015 04:37 The_Templar wrote:On September 14 2015 04:37 showstealer1829 wrote:
ggwp.
He's going to get 0-3'd so hardcore at Blizzcon though Things will be unbearable if he actually does well at blizzcon. He has a decent shot imo. Anyone except Inno/Maru/Parting/Zest is beatable by him add herO to the list. and Rogue, and Byul, and anyone except Polt/Hydra, man are you serious ? Even FanTaSy would wipe the floor with him if he plays seriously. Fanta is shit tier. Rogue and Byul are zergs and you can totally steal a bo5 in PvZ. Fantasy beats Rain on a regular basis. Fanta dies to stalkers on a regular basis too. His highs are pretty good but then he derps ultra hard. that doesnt make him shit tier.
ok, somewhere between top T and shit tier. Depending on the series. Seriously he's the most frustrating T to watch he has 0 consistency even in the same day.
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let's do the odds for every opponent :
vs herO : 5-95
vs PartinG : 10-90
vs Life : 10-90
vs Maru : 0-100
vs Hydra : 55-45
vs Rain : 20-80
vs Classic : 0-100
vs Polt : 45-55
vs Dream : 30-70 ? (which Dream is going to show up at Blizzcon ?)
vs Zest : 0-100
vs Rogue : 10-90
vs Byul : 1-99
vs FanTaSy : 30-70
vs INno : 10-90
vs Dear : 35-65
vs Gumiho : 45-55
vs Hyun : 35-65
vs sOs : 10-90
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