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Senseless bashing of foreigners and WCS game quality is not permitted today. Criticism is fine, but let's not repeat yesterday's mess. Games can be enjoyed without the presence of constant vitriol.
14:18 GMT (+00:00) Edit: This is your friendly reminder that whining about Protoss is an old and tired thing. Don't.
-Zealously
Ppjack
Profile Joined March 2015
Belgium489 Posts
September 13 2015 19:50 GMT
#4701
Hey guys. Lilbow is going to Blizzcon and some of your favorite korean-god players are not
<;o)
10bulgares
Profile Joined September 2013
352 Posts
September 13 2015 19:50 GMT
#4702
On September 14 2015 04:48 Pyloss wrote:
Great weekend, was hoping for atleast 1 lategame pvp, but hey, it has been good.

Well, the basetrade was pretty lategame by my book.
HellHound
Profile Joined September 2014
Bulgaria5962 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-09-13 19:51:04
September 13 2015 19:50 GMT
#4703
On September 14 2015 04:46 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 04:45 Ej_ wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:44 sAsImre wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:43 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:41 sAsImre wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:41 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:37 The_Templar wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:37 showstealer1829 wrote:
ggwp.

He's going to get 0-3'd so hardcore at Blizzcon though

Things will be unbearable if he actually does well at blizzcon.

He has a decent shot imo. Anyone except Inno/Maru/Parting/Zest is beatable by him


add herO to the list.

and Rogue, and Byul, and anyone except Polt/Hydra, man are you serious ? Even FanTaSy would wipe the floor with him if he plays seriously.


Fanta is shit tier

so is MarineKing lol


and he lost 2-1 in close games. Being 100% sure you won't lose to someone requires to be so much ahead of him. Lilbow isn't a great player in the grand scheme of things but in a bo5 there is not many players I'd be 100% sure they're gonna win.
sigh if he was korean you would say he is shit tier just like mkp
How biased do you have to be to claim that because someone had close games vs mkp they have a snowballs chance in hell vs byul?
You realise Byul is the top 1 zerg atm? Still not out of gsl and in ssl finals? Beat so many strong players to get there.
But lilbow won vs mana and had close games vs marineking.
Edit: oh you politely called him a trash player sorry I didn't notice. I still stand by my point that byul would beat him 9-0 in a bo3

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D-light
Profile Joined April 2012
Finland7364 Posts
September 13 2015 19:50 GMT
#4704
On September 14 2015 04:47 Makro wrote:
obviously lilbow is gonna go to blizzcon and get crushed at his first game, but this is the first step before more foreigners go to blizzcon

Depends how quickly Koreans learn LotV, but even if they have a head start next year I can't see foreigners becoming closer to the Koreans after that while just playing with each other and a few ok Koreans that decide to stay in EU and NA.
why even
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
September 13 2015 19:50 GMT
#4705
On September 14 2015 04:48 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 04:47 OtherWorld wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:44 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I dont like the mentality of trying to invalidate a player's win immediately after he got it, so sad. Lilbow showed up to today and played great, very pleased with the performance and the quality of the games!

You don't understand man, it's totally Lilbow's fault there weren't herO, Zest, INnoVation and ByuL participating in this tournament.

ahah ofc not, but calling this the hardest tournament ever is just fraudulent. Say that after he wins Blizzcon.

I don't think anybody here called that the hardest tournament ever, except the same people who try to mock those who are happy for Lilbow?
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[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
September 13 2015 19:50 GMT
#4706
On September 14 2015 04:49 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 04:46 stuchiu wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:44 sAsImre wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:43 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:41 sAsImre wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:41 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:37 The_Templar wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:37 showstealer1829 wrote:
ggwp.

He's going to get 0-3'd so hardcore at Blizzcon though

Things will be unbearable if he actually does well at blizzcon.

He has a decent shot imo. Anyone except Inno/Maru/Parting/Zest is beatable by him


add herO to the list.

and Rogue, and Byul, and anyone except Polt/Hydra, man are you serious ? Even FanTaSy would wipe the floor with him if he plays seriously.


Fanta is shit tier. Rogue and Byul are zergs and you can totally steal a bo5 in PvZ.


Fantasy beats Rain on a regular basis.


Fanta dies to stalkers on a regular basis too. His highs are pretty good but then he derps ultra hard.

anyway Fanta vs Lilbow is impossible in the first round
BaneRiders
Profile Joined August 2013
Sweden3630 Posts
September 13 2015 19:50 GMT
#4707
Great fun in the LR thread today! Grats to everyone who enjoyed themselves, and grats to Lilbow, Mana, Zanster and ForGG for bringing on the show. And yeah, nice Blizzard trolling there too, LoTV = the new black.
Earth, Water, Air and Protoss!
RaFox17
Profile Joined May 2013
Finland4581 Posts
September 13 2015 19:50 GMT
#4708
On September 14 2015 04:48 Thax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 04:42 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Lilbow being the most successful foreigner of the year shows both how bad the foreign scene is and some of the worst aspects of SC2's design. this is the last I'll say of it and I'm sorry for being so bitter today. GGs regardless.

User was temp banned for this post.


You really can't help but being a raging asshole almost everytime you say something can't you?

It´s an opinion. Same as you thinking that he´s an asshole. Theres some truth in there.
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24239 Posts
September 13 2015 19:50 GMT
#4709
On September 14 2015 04:50 OtherWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 04:48 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:47 OtherWorld wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:44 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I dont like the mentality of trying to invalidate a player's win immediately after he got it, so sad. Lilbow showed up to today and played great, very pleased with the performance and the quality of the games!

You don't understand man, it's totally Lilbow's fault there weren't herO, Zest, INnoVation and ByuL participating in this tournament.

ahah ofc not, but calling this the hardest tournament ever is just fraudulent. Say that after he wins Blizzcon.

I don't think anybody here called that the hardest tournament ever, except the same people who try to mock those who are happy for Lilbow?

didn't the host say that ?
Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
September 13 2015 19:51 GMT
#4710
On September 14 2015 04:48 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Top 3 players Lilbow can't beat at Blizzcon, in that order:

Maru
Zest
Byul

Everyone's gonna be incredibly tough but those three are basically impossible.

agree
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
September 13 2015 19:51 GMT
#4711
On September 14 2015 04:46 Sent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 04:45 showstealer1829 wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:44 Yorkie wrote:


YEAH DOWN WITH KOREAAAAAAA


It still wouldn't help


lets send Blizzard a petition to buff +2 blink stalkers then


No point buffing +2 blink stalkers if he's never going to get to +2 blink stalkers
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BlackCompany
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany8388 Posts
September 13 2015 19:51 GMT
#4712
On September 14 2015 04:47 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 04:46 BlackCompany wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:44 sAsImre wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:43 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:41 sAsImre wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:41 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:37 The_Templar wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:37 showstealer1829 wrote:
ggwp.

He's going to get 0-3'd so hardcore at Blizzcon though

Things will be unbearable if he actually does well at blizzcon.

He has a decent shot imo. Anyone except Inno/Maru/Parting/Zest is beatable by him


add herO to the list.

and Rogue, and Byul, and anyone except Polt/Hydra, man are you serious ? Even FanTaSy would wipe the floor with him if he plays seriously.


Fanta is shit tier. Rogue and Byul are zergs and you can totally steal a bo5 in PvZ.

Build stalkers and all-in is really all you need to do to get decent chances at winning against a superior opponent. At least a better chance than in a 4 base macro game. It's definetly what Lilbow should try if he faces Life or Rogue or any other Zerg


exactly, he has the perfect style to beat a superior opponent. Except when the guy he's facing is just better at the things he's good at.

Yup it's going to be hard but not impossible. I don't really like Lilbow, i don't like that he the Protoss version of a meching terran. I don't like that he is going to Blizzcon while players like soO are not. But he is working wonders, he is performing really good and he uses all the tools he has to win. People should not hate him for doing that, he is doing what most P's are doing at the moment and what's working out best. If that's a good thing is another discussion
Yorkie
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States12612 Posts
September 13 2015 19:51 GMT
#4713
Lilbow's style gives him a chance. I could see him taking a series and everyone going nuts if he gets a decent matchup
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18726 Posts
September 13 2015 19:51 GMT
#4714
On September 14 2015 04:48 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Top 3 players Lilbow can't beat at Blizzcon, in that order:

Maru
Zest
Byul

Everyone's gonna be incredibly tough but those three are basically impossible.


I'd definitely add herO to that list since Lilbow is almost pure blink stalker in PvP.
And no way in hell does herO lose a blink war
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
September 13 2015 19:51 GMT
#4715
On September 14 2015 04:48 Inflicted wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 04:45 Zealously wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:43 Estancia wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:41 sharkie wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:40 Otolia wrote:
Lilbow is 13th on Blizzcon list so he probably gets Life, PartinG or Maru.


Parting's PvP sucks. With good BO Lilbow could totally win that series.


Life's on a quite a bit of a slump so he might have a shot at that?
Obviously Maru's the worst draw. He wrecks protoss, and I think his wrists are better now.


KT were considered slumping before today's R4 Finals, then they won the whole thing. People thought Life was pretty bad before Blizzcon last year, then he won that. I don't think Life's reluctance to work harder than he needs to affects Blizzcon: he will work his ass off for the chance at another WC title.

KT won off TY and Zest who were the only players considered not slumping


They won three bo7s in a row with wins from Life, Stats, TY and Zest. I think general consensus was that they were disfavored against both CJ and SKT. The point is that people look at how teams and players have played in the past and assume that rapid returns to form are out of the question, even when such returns have happened to the very same teams/players before. Predicting KT to be shut down by SKT is just as iffy as thinking a slumping 9-time premier champion wouldn't regain his edge in 8 weeks of concerted practice.

Just a pet peeve.
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imre
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
France9263 Posts
September 13 2015 19:52 GMT
#4716
On September 14 2015 04:50 HellHound wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 04:46 sAsImre wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:45 Ej_ wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:44 sAsImre wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:43 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:41 sAsImre wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:41 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:37 The_Templar wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:37 showstealer1829 wrote:
ggwp.

He's going to get 0-3'd so hardcore at Blizzcon though

Things will be unbearable if he actually does well at blizzcon.

He has a decent shot imo. Anyone except Inno/Maru/Parting/Zest is beatable by him


add herO to the list.

and Rogue, and Byul, and anyone except Polt/Hydra, man are you serious ? Even FanTaSy would wipe the floor with him if he plays seriously.


Fanta is shit tier

so is MarineKing lol


and he lost 2-1 in close games. Being 100% sure you won't lose to someone requires to be so much ahead of him. Lilbow isn't a great player in the grand scheme of things but in a bo5 there is not many players I'd be 100% sure they're gonna win.
sigh if he was korean you would say he is shit tier just like mkp
How biased do you have to be to claim that because someone had close games vs mkp they have a snowballs chance in hell vs byul?
You realise Byul is the top 1 zerg atm? Still not out of gsl and in ssl finals? Beat so many strong players to get there.
But lilbow won vs mana and had close games vs marineking.



you just don't understand the point i'm making. If lilbow was in Korea he'd be at best code A. There isn't a lot of players that I'd say are 100% invulnerable to code A players. You just need to look at PL to be sure of that with people like departure or panic getting good wins.

And lilbow vZ is like his only chance at blizzcon atm.
Zest fanboy.
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
September 13 2015 19:52 GMT
#4717
On September 14 2015 04:50 sAsImre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 04:48 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Top 3 players Lilbow can't beat at Blizzcon, in that order:

Maru
Zest
Byul

Everyone's gonna be incredibly tough but those three are basically impossible.


add herO to the list. You just don't outblink him.

I feel Lilbow can play dirty enough to somehow upset herO like sOs
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OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
September 13 2015 19:52 GMT
#4718
On September 14 2015 04:50 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2015 04:50 OtherWorld wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:48 [PkF] Wire wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:47 OtherWorld wrote:
On September 14 2015 04:44 KingofdaHipHop wrote:
I dont like the mentality of trying to invalidate a player's win immediately after he got it, so sad. Lilbow showed up to today and played great, very pleased with the performance and the quality of the games!

You don't understand man, it's totally Lilbow's fault there weren't herO, Zest, INnoVation and ByuL participating in this tournament.

ahah ofc not, but calling this the hardest tournament ever is just fraudulent. Say that after he wins Blizzcon.

I don't think anybody here called that the hardest tournament ever, except the same people who try to mock those who are happy for Lilbow?

didn't the host say that ?

I'll have to get the exact words he said to believe that. Yes if he said that it is false and stupid. Still not a reason to constantly remind that GSL is higher level than WCS.
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Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3135 Posts
September 13 2015 19:52 GMT
#4719
Honestly, at Blizzcon, most regular calculations will be off. It's an incredibly high-pressure LAN situation with Bo5s. How well players have shown they're able to handle pressure is a better barometer than how well they've been playing recently in other tournaments.
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KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
September 13 2015 19:52 GMT
#4720
On September 14 2015 04:45 REyeM wrote:
Hey guys Lilbow is going to blizzcon and soO isn't

yeah but soO played badly this year and didn't get results for it (except that IEM and Kespa Cup)
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