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Senseless bashing of foreigners and WCS game quality is not permitted today. Criticism is fine, but let's not repeat yesterday's mess. Games can be enjoyed without the presence of constant vitriol. 14:18 GMT (+00:00) Edit: This is your friendly reminder that whining about Protoss is an old and tired thing. Don't. -Zealously |
On September 14 2015 05:10 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 05:08 Yorkie wrote:On September 14 2015 05:06 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On September 14 2015 04:56 [PkF] Wire wrote: let's do the odds for every opponent : vs herO : 5-95 vs PartinG : 10-90 vs Life : 10-90 vs Maru : 0-100 vs Hydra : 55-45 vs Rain : 20-80 vs Classic : 0-100 vs Polt : 45-55 vs Dream : 30-70 ? (which Dream is going to show up at Blizzcon ?) vs Zest : 0-100 vs Rogue : 10-90 vs Byul : 1-99 vs FanTaSy : 30-70 vs INno : 10-90 vs Dear : 35-65 vs Gumiho : 45-55 vs Hyun : 35-65 vs sOs : 10-90 Aligulac says Lilbow wins a bo5: vs herO : 44.08% vs PartinG : 54.13% vs Life : 51.58% vs Maru : 32.21% vs Hydra : 47.79% vs Rain : 40.72% vs Classic : 30.50% vs Polt : 34.75% vs Dream : 30.86% vs Zest : 17.91% vs Rogue : 63.59% vs Byul : 58.93% vs FanTaSy : 47.72% vs INno : 17.31% vs Dear : 47.34% vs Gumiho : 41.80% vs Hyun : 56.76% vs sOs : 37.10% So only Zest and Innovation are really out of his league Aligulac always over-inflates the ratings of players who play weaker opponents I mean roughly 60% chance to win vs Rogue or Byul? over 50 for Parting and Life? higher chance to beat Byul than hydra? You can see why these values are no good Aligulac's biggest flaw is when comparing players from different regions.
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On September 14 2015 05:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 05:11 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:On September 14 2015 05:02 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 14 2015 05:01 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Congrats to Lilbow  Best foreigner atm? not even close Who's better? worded myself badly : no one comes even close
Ah gotcha
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On September 14 2015 05:11 [PkF] Wire wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 05:10 Yorkie wrote:On September 14 2015 05:08 Yorkie wrote:On September 14 2015 05:06 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On September 14 2015 04:56 [PkF] Wire wrote: let's do the odds for every opponent : vs herO : 5-95 vs PartinG : 10-90 vs Life : 10-90 vs Maru : 0-100 vs Hydra : 55-45 vs Rain : 20-80 vs Classic : 0-100 vs Polt : 45-55 vs Dream : 30-70 ? (which Dream is going to show up at Blizzcon ?) vs Zest : 0-100 vs Rogue : 10-90 vs Byul : 1-99 vs FanTaSy : 30-70 vs INno : 10-90 vs Dear : 35-65 vs Gumiho : 45-55 vs Hyun : 35-65 vs sOs : 10-90 Aligulac says Lilbow wins a bo5: vs herO : 44.08% vs PartinG : 54.13% vs Life : 51.58% vs Maru : 32.21% vs Hydra : 47.79% vs Rain : 40.72% vs Classic : 30.50% vs Polt : 34.75% vs Dream : 30.86% vs Zest : 17.91% vs Rogue : 63.59% vs Byul : 58.93% vs FanTaSy : 47.72% vs INno : 17.31% vs Dear : 47.34% vs Gumiho : 41.80% vs Hyun : 56.76% vs sOs : 37.10% So only Zest and Innovation are really out of his league Aligulac always over-inflates the ratings of players who play weaker opponents I mean roughly 60% chance to win vs Rogue or Byul? over 50 for Parting and Life? higher chance to beat Byul than hydra? You can see why these values are no good yeah aligulac is ridiculous when it comes to comparing people that don't play the same opponents. Remember Kingkong, ForGG, Byun atm... Aligulac is an excellent tool for what it is but you simply can't use it for comparisons like this for obvious reasons that are no fault of the creators of aligulac
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I can confirm that it's probably gonna happen.
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Did you just call our Schedule God "meh"
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if that's true that's excellent news. I mean he could have gotten decent training partners but training in Korea will really help him add some depth to his playstyle.
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On September 14 2015 05:11 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 05:10 Yorkie wrote:On September 14 2015 05:08 Yorkie wrote:On September 14 2015 05:06 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On September 14 2015 04:56 [PkF] Wire wrote: let's do the odds for every opponent : vs herO : 5-95 vs PartinG : 10-90 vs Life : 10-90 vs Maru : 0-100 vs Hydra : 55-45 vs Rain : 20-80 vs Classic : 0-100 vs Polt : 45-55 vs Dream : 30-70 ? (which Dream is going to show up at Blizzcon ?) vs Zest : 0-100 vs Rogue : 10-90 vs Byul : 1-99 vs FanTaSy : 30-70 vs INno : 10-90 vs Dear : 35-65 vs Gumiho : 45-55 vs Hyun : 35-65 vs sOs : 10-90 Aligulac says Lilbow wins a bo5: vs herO : 44.08% vs PartinG : 54.13% vs Life : 51.58% vs Maru : 32.21% vs Hydra : 47.79% vs Rain : 40.72% vs Classic : 30.50% vs Polt : 34.75% vs Dream : 30.86% vs Zest : 17.91% vs Rogue : 63.59% vs Byul : 58.93% vs FanTaSy : 47.72% vs INno : 17.31% vs Dear : 47.34% vs Gumiho : 41.80% vs Hyun : 56.76% vs sOs : 37.10% So only Zest and Innovation are really out of his league Aligulac always over-inflates the ratings of players who play weaker opponents I mean roughly 60% chance to win vs Rogue or Byul? over 50 for Parting and Life? higher chance to beat Byul than hydra? You can see why these values are no good Aligulac's biggest flaw is when comparing players from different regions.
Yeah definitely. Aligulac results would be highly accurate if the player pools from different regions played each other evenly, but that is far from the case.
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lilbow is definitely the best foreigner atm. still behind naniwa and stephano in terms of all time, aswell as thorzain probably, as he has yet to prove that he can beat GSL championship caliber players.
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On September 14 2015 05:12 ZigguratOfUr wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 05:11 OtherWorld wrote:On September 14 2015 05:10 Yorkie wrote:On September 14 2015 05:08 Yorkie wrote:On September 14 2015 05:06 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On September 14 2015 04:56 [PkF] Wire wrote: let's do the odds for every opponent : vs herO : 5-95 vs PartinG : 10-90 vs Life : 10-90 vs Maru : 0-100 vs Hydra : 55-45 vs Rain : 20-80 vs Classic : 0-100 vs Polt : 45-55 vs Dream : 30-70 ? (which Dream is going to show up at Blizzcon ?) vs Zest : 0-100 vs Rogue : 10-90 vs Byul : 1-99 vs FanTaSy : 30-70 vs INno : 10-90 vs Dear : 35-65 vs Gumiho : 45-55 vs Hyun : 35-65 vs sOs : 10-90 Aligulac says Lilbow wins a bo5: vs herO : 44.08% vs PartinG : 54.13% vs Life : 51.58% vs Maru : 32.21% vs Hydra : 47.79% vs Rain : 40.72% vs Classic : 30.50% vs Polt : 34.75% vs Dream : 30.86% vs Zest : 17.91% vs Rogue : 63.59% vs Byul : 58.93% vs FanTaSy : 47.72% vs INno : 17.31% vs Dear : 47.34% vs Gumiho : 41.80% vs Hyun : 56.76% vs sOs : 37.10% So only Zest and Innovation are really out of his league Aligulac always over-inflates the ratings of players who play weaker opponents I mean roughly 60% chance to win vs Rogue or Byul? over 50 for Parting and Life? higher chance to beat Byul than hydra? You can see why these values are no good Aligulac's biggest flaw is when comparing players from different regions. Yeah definitely. Aligulac results would be highly accurate if the player pools from different regions played each other evenly, but that is far from the case.
It's still an excellent stat tool when you know its limits and I'm glad we have it here.
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On September 14 2015 05:12 [PkF] Wire wrote:if that's true that's excellent news. I mean he could have gotten decent training partners but training in Korea will really help him add some depth to his playstyle.
Maybe forGG will let him live at his place :p
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Neither set of odds looks great, I'd say Lilbow has a 10% chance against the top GSL/SSL Koreans, a 40% chance against the weaker GSL/SSL Koreans, and a 45-60% chance against the WCS Koreans.
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On September 14 2015 05:12 [PkF] Wire wrote:if that's true that's excellent news. I mean he could have gotten decent training partners but training in Korea will really help him add some depth to his playstyle. Depends where he trains though. I hope he doesn't end in the Prime house^^ One of the Telecoms is probably out of the question, so I'd guess CJ (did it before with Snute and Stardust) or SBENU.
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On September 14 2015 05:13 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 05:12 ZigguratOfUr wrote:On September 14 2015 05:11 OtherWorld wrote:On September 14 2015 05:10 Yorkie wrote:On September 14 2015 05:08 Yorkie wrote:On September 14 2015 05:06 FueledUpAndReadyToGo wrote:On September 14 2015 04:56 [PkF] Wire wrote: let's do the odds for every opponent : vs herO : 5-95 vs PartinG : 10-90 vs Life : 10-90 vs Maru : 0-100 vs Hydra : 55-45 vs Rain : 20-80 vs Classic : 0-100 vs Polt : 45-55 vs Dream : 30-70 ? (which Dream is going to show up at Blizzcon ?) vs Zest : 0-100 vs Rogue : 10-90 vs Byul : 1-99 vs FanTaSy : 30-70 vs INno : 10-90 vs Dear : 35-65 vs Gumiho : 45-55 vs Hyun : 35-65 vs sOs : 10-90 Aligulac says Lilbow wins a bo5: vs herO : 44.08% vs PartinG : 54.13% vs Life : 51.58% vs Maru : 32.21% vs Hydra : 47.79% vs Rain : 40.72% vs Classic : 30.50% vs Polt : 34.75% vs Dream : 30.86% vs Zest : 17.91% vs Rogue : 63.59% vs Byul : 58.93% vs FanTaSy : 47.72% vs INno : 17.31% vs Dear : 47.34% vs Gumiho : 41.80% vs Hyun : 56.76% vs sOs : 37.10% So only Zest and Innovation are really out of his league Aligulac always over-inflates the ratings of players who play weaker opponents I mean roughly 60% chance to win vs Rogue or Byul? over 50 for Parting and Life? higher chance to beat Byul than hydra? You can see why these values are no good Aligulac's biggest flaw is when comparing players from different regions. Yeah definitely. Aligulac results would be highly accurate if the player pools from different regions played each other evenly, but that is far from the case. It's still an excellent stat tool when you know its limits and I'm glad we have it here. yeah Aligulac is godlike and extremely useful for stat tracking, looking at head to heads, following a player's form in general or in specific matchup. but comparing cross region is not what it is suited for
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On September 14 2015 05:14 jalstar wrote: Neither set of odds looks great, I'd say Lilbow has a 10% chance against the top GSL/SSL Koreans, a 40% chance against the weaker GSL/SSL Koreans, and a 45-60% chance against the WCS Koreans. So you're ready to bet Lilbow wins at least one bo5 vs Zest if we organize 10 bo5s, one each day on 10 days ?
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On September 14 2015 05:14 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 05:12 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 14 2015 05:11 shid0x wrote:On September 14 2015 05:02 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 14 2015 05:01 shid0x wrote: Apparently Millenium is sending lilbow to korea to train until blizzcon. seriously ? Source ? https://twitter.com/DrAeromi/status/643147259744518145?lang=frI know Aeromi is meh but he's quite close to millenium. if that's true that's excellent news. I mean he could have gotten decent training partners but training in Korea will really help him add some depth to his playstyle. Depends where he trains though. I hope he doesn't end in the Prime house^^ One of the Telecoms is probably out of the question, so I'd guess CJ (did it before with Snute and Stardust) or SBENU. or you can rant an appartment 150$ for a month
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On September 14 2015 05:15 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 05:14 OtherWorld wrote:On September 14 2015 05:12 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 14 2015 05:11 shid0x wrote:On September 14 2015 05:02 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 14 2015 05:01 shid0x wrote: Apparently Millenium is sending lilbow to korea to train until blizzcon. seriously ? Source ? https://twitter.com/DrAeromi/status/643147259744518145?lang=frI know Aeromi is meh but he's quite close to millenium. if that's true that's excellent news. I mean he could have gotten decent training partners but training in Korea will really help him add some depth to his playstyle. Depends where he trains though. I hope he doesn't end in the Prime house^^ One of the Telecoms is probably out of the question, so I'd guess CJ (did it before with Snute and Stardust) or SBENU. or you can rant an appartment 150$ for a month yeah honestly even just ladder and the quality of the training partners he'll have is worth it. I mean look how Snute performed at IEM when he came back from KR.
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On September 14 2015 05:15 Makro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2015 05:14 OtherWorld wrote:On September 14 2015 05:12 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 14 2015 05:11 shid0x wrote:On September 14 2015 05:02 [PkF] Wire wrote:On September 14 2015 05:01 shid0x wrote: Apparently Millenium is sending lilbow to korea to train until blizzcon. seriously ? Source ? https://twitter.com/DrAeromi/status/643147259744518145?lang=frI know Aeromi is meh but he's quite close to millenium. if that's true that's excellent news. I mean he could have gotten decent training partners but training in Korea will really help him add some depth to his playstyle. Depends where he trains though. I hope he doesn't end in the Prime house^^ One of the Telecoms is probably out of the question, so I'd guess CJ (did it before with Snute and Stardust) or SBENU. or you can rant an appartment 150$ for a month
that's not useful. You need to train within a proteam and with a way to speak to at least the coaching staff if you want a short stay to be useful. CJ is probably the best bet.
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MVP and CJ have been the teams who have ben most welcome to foreigners staying and practicing in the past. SBENU is another possibility.
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I don't get why is there so much hate about Lilbow. It's probably the best that happened to the foreign community for a long time.
This guy has probably the level of a low Code S player but is it his fault if he's not a korean player and do not play the GSL?
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