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dazed25
Profile Joined August 2014
3566 Posts
June 30 2015 12:14 GMT
#901
On June 30 2015 21:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
If KT just had a top level PvTer they'd be basically unstoppable.


just a vMaru'er tbh. Stats actually has (did?) reasonable PvT against anyone not named Dream or Maru.
Zest, Rain, Life, Stats, Flash, PartinG, herO
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
June 30 2015 12:15 GMT
#902
On June 30 2015 21:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
If KT just had a top level PvTer they'd be basically unstoppable.

Top level PvT is pretty hard though. Only Rain, PartinG, Classic and herO are there. Zest or Stats could get there but they gotta really push it in practice.
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Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
June 30 2015 12:19 GMT
#903
On June 30 2015 21:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
If KT just had a top level PvTer they'd be basically unstoppable.

KT should just buy maru
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
June 30 2015 12:20 GMT
#904
On June 30 2015 21:12 Silvana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2015 21:03 OtherWorld wrote:
On June 30 2015 20:59 Silvana wrote:
On June 30 2015 20:52 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On June 30 2015 20:50 Makro wrote:
On June 30 2015 20:49 c0ldfusion wrote:
On June 30 2015 20:49 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On June 30 2015 20:48 c0ldfusion wrote:
On June 30 2015 20:47 MarianoSC2 wrote:
KT worst coaches confirmed...

Maru can be beaten in TvT only by super duper cheese build. TY actually could do it maybe.
Flash? Never. Maru TvT is simply Godlike. He is a player of a completely different caliber

What choice did they have? Zest, Stats and Life are all down.


They should have sent TY in stead of Stats and Pray. This was just a donated game to Jin Air

TY just wasn't ready for the level of pressure according to Wolf.

you just can't rely on wolf

yeah its ridiculous, if you 2 rax someone in the final of proleague you are ready for that kind of pressure, easy as that


The lineup was fixed and he had time to prepare, very different situation. I agree with others that TY doesn't look that good when he is not given time to prepare.

Yeah but I mean when KT is facing Maru it's a matter of basic survival. Sending Zest first was a great call since he got 2 kills on the two best JAGW players behind Maru, then he lost to Maru as expected I guess, and when KT is in this situation it should be a "Kill Maru" mindset. Which means not sending out additional Protosses, who are just basic food for Maru, but playing on Maru's weakest MUs (relatively), TvT and TvZ. Basically it means sending, in order, TY/FlaSh/Life.


I agree with this 100%.

Show nested quote +
On June 30 2015 21:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Didn't he just qualify for something while beating pretty good players?
I don't agree with this notion at all, he may be somewhat inconsistent, but if he is on form he plays extremely well (cause his micro and multitasking are ridiculous)
Flash on the other hand is bad in both (if you compare it to actually good ones like Maru)


Again qualifiers are a different situation than a playoff PL match.

What they should do imo is prepare TY to snipe Maru and play him asap, because it seems he can't handle the pressure of being the 4th man.

Well i don't believe this. I think they don't send TY as 4th player cause there still is Flash to send.
You send Flash cause he is Flash, even though that means nothing in sc2 skillwise.
I prefer my interpretation tbh, even though i agree with you guys that it would have been obviously even better to send TY right after Zest lost for example.
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Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
June 30 2015 12:20 GMT
#905
On June 30 2015 21:15 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2015 21:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
If KT just had a top level PvTer they'd be basically unstoppable.

Top level PvT is pretty hard though. Only Rain, PartinG, Classic and herO are there. Zest or Stats could get there but they gotta really push it in practice.


That's where the coaching shines.. I mean we've seen Myungsik on Sbenu putting a good fight against Maru (before throwing it all)... Zest and Stats should be able to do it too!

Anyways enough of playing the coaching KT game for today -.- We are still in somewhat good place for the final playoffs.
Silvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
3713 Posts
June 30 2015 12:24 GMT
#906
On June 30 2015 21:20 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2015 21:12 Silvana wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:03 OtherWorld wrote:
On June 30 2015 20:59 Silvana wrote:
On June 30 2015 20:52 The_Red_Viper wrote:
On June 30 2015 20:50 Makro wrote:
On June 30 2015 20:49 c0ldfusion wrote:
On June 30 2015 20:49 MarianoSC2 wrote:
On June 30 2015 20:48 c0ldfusion wrote:
On June 30 2015 20:47 MarianoSC2 wrote:
KT worst coaches confirmed...

Maru can be beaten in TvT only by super duper cheese build. TY actually could do it maybe.
Flash? Never. Maru TvT is simply Godlike. He is a player of a completely different caliber

What choice did they have? Zest, Stats and Life are all down.


They should have sent TY in stead of Stats and Pray. This was just a donated game to Jin Air

TY just wasn't ready for the level of pressure according to Wolf.

you just can't rely on wolf

yeah its ridiculous, if you 2 rax someone in the final of proleague you are ready for that kind of pressure, easy as that


The lineup was fixed and he had time to prepare, very different situation. I agree with others that TY doesn't look that good when he is not given time to prepare.

Yeah but I mean when KT is facing Maru it's a matter of basic survival. Sending Zest first was a great call since he got 2 kills on the two best JAGW players behind Maru, then he lost to Maru as expected I guess, and when KT is in this situation it should be a "Kill Maru" mindset. Which means not sending out additional Protosses, who are just basic food for Maru, but playing on Maru's weakest MUs (relatively), TvT and TvZ. Basically it means sending, in order, TY/FlaSh/Life.


I agree with this 100%.

On June 30 2015 21:06 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Didn't he just qualify for something while beating pretty good players?
I don't agree with this notion at all, he may be somewhat inconsistent, but if he is on form he plays extremely well (cause his micro and multitasking are ridiculous)
Flash on the other hand is bad in both (if you compare it to actually good ones like Maru)


Again qualifiers are a different situation than a playoff PL match.

What they should do imo is prepare TY to snipe Maru and play him asap, because it seems he can't handle the pressure of being the 4th man.

Well i don't believe this. I think they don't send TY as 4th player cause there still is Flash to send.
You send Flash cause he is Flash, even though that means nothing in sc2 skillwise.
I prefer my interpretation tbh, even though i agree with you guys that it would have been obviously even better to send TY right after Zest lost for example.


Well I don't think it's for marketing reasons either. Losing the match by playing the wrong players looks worse than benching Flash imo.
And it's not like they're missing a handsome marketable player tho
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-30 12:29:24
June 30 2015 12:24 GMT
#907
On June 30 2015 21:20 Silvana wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2015 21:15 Elentos wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
If KT just had a top level PvTer they'd be basically unstoppable.

Top level PvT is pretty hard though. Only Rain, PartinG, Classic and herO are there. Zest or Stats could get there but they gotta really push it in practice.


That's where the coaching shines.. I mean we've seen Myungsik on Sbenu putting a good fight against Maru (before throwing it all)... Zest and Stats should be able to do it too!

Anyways enough of playing the coaching KT game for today -.- We are still in somewhat good place for the final playoffs.

Zest puts up decent fights and always ends up losing. He needs to be pushed over that edge so he can beat Maru every now and then (not always, always is absurd).

Our competition for the final playoffs is SBENU. We can thank Jin Air, SKT and CJ for dumping SBENU out of the top 4 at the last possible moment this round.

E: Maybe we should try getting First's PvT mojo back.
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EngrishTeacher
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Canada1109 Posts
June 30 2015 12:30 GMT
#908
Let's see here, mirrors are always relatively more coinflippy by nature, so at least either Bogus or Dream should stop Maru - and that takes care of Jin Air's super ace.

As for the rest of the rosters, Classic/Dark/Dream/Bogus/Soo seems like a stronger lineup than Jin Air's sOs/Maru/Rogue/Cure/Trap, but either way this is going to be a close one.

Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
June 30 2015 12:31 GMT
#909
On June 30 2015 21:14 dazed25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2015 21:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
If KT just had a top level PvTer they'd be basically unstoppable.


just a vMaru'er tbh. Stats actually has (did?) reasonable PvT against anyone not named Dream or Maru.


To be fair, so does Zest
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dazed25
Profile Joined August 2014
3566 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-30 12:34:03
June 30 2015 12:31 GMT
#910
i really wonder how much power coaches have over the builds players use. i feel like the best players in sc2 are able to come up with things on the spot rather than through preparation. it's obvious you can't tell Maru how to play or what build to use. same with pre-KT Life. just need to look at the success of partinG and Rain to see how coaching might be overrated. i can't help but think KT players are being overcoached instead of being given the freedom.
Zest, Rain, Life, Stats, Flash, PartinG, herO
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-30 12:33:43
June 30 2015 12:32 GMT
#911
On June 30 2015 21:30 EngrishTeacher wrote:
Let's see here, mirrors are always relatively more coinflippy by nature, so at least either Bogus or Dream should stop Maru - and that takes care of Jin Air's super ace.

As for the rest of the rosters, Classic/Dark/Dream/Bogus/Soo seems like a stronger lineup than Jin Air's sOs/Maru/Rogue/Cure/Trap, but either way this is going to be a close one.


Dream? Dream's TvT is... uh... pretty... not good. Dark is a much better choice to take out Maru.

On June 30 2015 21:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2015 21:14 dazed25 wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
If KT just had a top level PvTer they'd be basically unstoppable.


just a vMaru'er tbh. Stats actually has (did?) reasonable PvT against anyone not named Dream or Maru.


To be fair, so does Zest

True. Zest has beaten most top Terrans this year, those 2 are pretty much exceptions (also TANGTANG and jjakji I guess).

Gotta get that First PvT mojo back on track though.
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dazed25
Profile Joined August 2014
3566 Posts
June 30 2015 12:36 GMT
#912
On June 30 2015 21:32 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2015 21:30 EngrishTeacher wrote:
Let's see here, mirrors are always relatively more coinflippy by nature, so at least either Bogus or Dream should stop Maru - and that takes care of Jin Air's super ace.

As for the rest of the rosters, Classic/Dark/Dream/Bogus/Soo seems like a stronger lineup than Jin Air's sOs/Maru/Rogue/Cure/Trap, but either way this is going to be a close one.


Dream? Dream's TvT is... uh... pretty... not good. Dark is a much better choice to take out Maru.

Show nested quote +
On June 30 2015 21:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:14 dazed25 wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
If KT just had a top level PvTer they'd be basically unstoppable.


just a vMaru'er tbh. Stats actually has (did?) reasonable PvT against anyone not named Dream or Maru.


To be fair, so does Zest

True. Zest has beaten most top Terrans this year, those 2 are pretty much exceptions (also TANGTANG and jjakji I guess).

Gotta get that First PvT mojo back on track though.


Dark soO and Classic are the best options to take out Maru. Although I do want to see Dream try to yolo drop Maru.

honestly i greatly favor SKT in the finals. I think KT had a better chance vs them.

Zest, Rain, Life, Stats, Flash, PartinG, herO
swissman777
Profile Joined September 2014
1106 Posts
June 30 2015 12:44 GMT
#913
On June 30 2015 21:36 dazed25 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2015 21:32 Elentos wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:30 EngrishTeacher wrote:
Let's see here, mirrors are always relatively more coinflippy by nature, so at least either Bogus or Dream should stop Maru - and that takes care of Jin Air's super ace.

As for the rest of the rosters, Classic/Dark/Dream/Bogus/Soo seems like a stronger lineup than Jin Air's sOs/Maru/Rogue/Cure/Trap, but either way this is going to be a close one.


Dream? Dream's TvT is... uh... pretty... not good. Dark is a much better choice to take out Maru.

On June 30 2015 21:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:14 dazed25 wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
If KT just had a top level PvTer they'd be basically unstoppable.


just a vMaru'er tbh. Stats actually has (did?) reasonable PvT against anyone not named Dream or Maru.


To be fair, so does Zest

True. Zest has beaten most top Terrans this year, those 2 are pretty much exceptions (also TANGTANG and jjakji I guess).

Gotta get that First PvT mojo back on track though.


Dark soO and Classic are the best options to take out Maru. Although I do want to see Dream try to yolo drop Maru.

honestly i greatly favor SKT in the finals. I think KT had a better chance vs them.



Well, Jinair has trap to take out the sk zergs and the rest could be taken by sOs then.
MiniFotToss
Profile Joined December 2013
China2430 Posts
June 30 2015 13:02 GMT
#914
On June 30 2015 21:44 swissman777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2015 21:36 dazed25 wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:32 Elentos wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:30 EngrishTeacher wrote:
Let's see here, mirrors are always relatively more coinflippy by nature, so at least either Bogus or Dream should stop Maru - and that takes care of Jin Air's super ace.

As for the rest of the rosters, Classic/Dark/Dream/Bogus/Soo seems like a stronger lineup than Jin Air's sOs/Maru/Rogue/Cure/Trap, but either way this is going to be a close one.


Dream? Dream's TvT is... uh... pretty... not good. Dark is a much better choice to take out Maru.

On June 30 2015 21:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:14 dazed25 wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
If KT just had a top level PvTer they'd be basically unstoppable.


just a vMaru'er tbh. Stats actually has (did?) reasonable PvT against anyone not named Dream or Maru.


To be fair, so does Zest

True. Zest has beaten most top Terrans this year, those 2 are pretty much exceptions (also TANGTANG and jjakji I guess).

Gotta get that First PvT mojo back on track though.


Dark soO and Classic are the best options to take out Maru. Although I do want to see Dream try to yolo drop Maru.

honestly i greatly favor SKT in the finals. I think KT had a better chance vs them.



Well, Jinair has trap to take out the sk zergs and the rest could be taken by sOs then.

Dream rekts both of them so..... as soon as Jin Air sends on sOs or Trap, SKT should send out Dream, also, Classic can handle Trap and sOs too
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55570 Posts
June 30 2015 13:05 GMT
#915
On June 30 2015 22:02 MiniFotToss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2015 21:44 swissman777 wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:36 dazed25 wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:32 Elentos wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:30 EngrishTeacher wrote:
Let's see here, mirrors are always relatively more coinflippy by nature, so at least either Bogus or Dream should stop Maru - and that takes care of Jin Air's super ace.

As for the rest of the rosters, Classic/Dark/Dream/Bogus/Soo seems like a stronger lineup than Jin Air's sOs/Maru/Rogue/Cure/Trap, but either way this is going to be a close one.


Dream? Dream's TvT is... uh... pretty... not good. Dark is a much better choice to take out Maru.

On June 30 2015 21:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:14 dazed25 wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
If KT just had a top level PvTer they'd be basically unstoppable.


just a vMaru'er tbh. Stats actually has (did?) reasonable PvT against anyone not named Dream or Maru.


To be fair, so does Zest

True. Zest has beaten most top Terrans this year, those 2 are pretty much exceptions (also TANGTANG and jjakji I guess).

Gotta get that First PvT mojo back on track though.


Dark soO and Classic are the best options to take out Maru. Although I do want to see Dream try to yolo drop Maru.

honestly i greatly favor SKT in the finals. I think KT had a better chance vs them.



Well, Jinair has trap to take out the sk zergs and the rest could be taken by sOs then.

Dream rekts both of them so..... as soon as Jin Air sends on sOs or Trap, SKT should send out Dream, also, Classic can handle Trap and sOs too

sOs is a trickster. Even his last game against Dream was really close, and the one before that he won. Shouldn't underestimate the guy.
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swissman777
Profile Joined September 2014
1106 Posts
June 30 2015 13:08 GMT
#916
On June 30 2015 22:02 MiniFotToss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2015 21:44 swissman777 wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:36 dazed25 wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:32 Elentos wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:30 EngrishTeacher wrote:
Let's see here, mirrors are always relatively more coinflippy by nature, so at least either Bogus or Dream should stop Maru - and that takes care of Jin Air's super ace.

As for the rest of the rosters, Classic/Dark/Dream/Bogus/Soo seems like a stronger lineup than Jin Air's sOs/Maru/Rogue/Cure/Trap, but either way this is going to be a close one.


Dream? Dream's TvT is... uh... pretty... not good. Dark is a much better choice to take out Maru.

On June 30 2015 21:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:14 dazed25 wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
If KT just had a top level PvTer they'd be basically unstoppable.


just a vMaru'er tbh. Stats actually has (did?) reasonable PvT against anyone not named Dream or Maru.


To be fair, so does Zest

True. Zest has beaten most top Terrans this year, those 2 are pretty much exceptions (also TANGTANG and jjakji I guess).

Gotta get that First PvT mojo back on track though.


Dark soO and Classic are the best options to take out Maru. Although I do want to see Dream try to yolo drop Maru.

honestly i greatly favor SKT in the finals. I think KT had a better chance vs them.



Well, Jinair has trap to take out the sk zergs and the rest could be taken by sOs then.

Dream rekts both of them so..... as soon as Jin Air sends on sOs or Trap, SKT should send out Dream, also, Classic can handle Trap and sOs too


Pretty sure the other way around goes for maru and trap if you want to go that far. Why would you think Dream and Classic would handle Trap and sOs? I'm assuming when you said "can", you meant "can easily".
MiniFotToss
Profile Joined December 2013
China2430 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-06-30 13:21:31
June 30 2015 13:19 GMT
#917
On June 30 2015 22:08 swissman777 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2015 22:02 MiniFotToss wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:44 swissman777 wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:36 dazed25 wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:32 Elentos wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:30 EngrishTeacher wrote:
Let's see here, mirrors are always relatively more coinflippy by nature, so at least either Bogus or Dream should stop Maru - and that takes care of Jin Air's super ace.

As for the rest of the rosters, Classic/Dark/Dream/Bogus/Soo seems like a stronger lineup than Jin Air's sOs/Maru/Rogue/Cure/Trap, but either way this is going to be a close one.


Dream? Dream's TvT is... uh... pretty... not good. Dark is a much better choice to take out Maru.

On June 30 2015 21:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:14 dazed25 wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
If KT just had a top level PvTer they'd be basically unstoppable.


just a vMaru'er tbh. Stats actually has (did?) reasonable PvT against anyone not named Dream or Maru.


To be fair, so does Zest

True. Zest has beaten most top Terrans this year, those 2 are pretty much exceptions (also TANGTANG and jjakji I guess).

Gotta get that First PvT mojo back on track though.


Dark soO and Classic are the best options to take out Maru. Although I do want to see Dream try to yolo drop Maru.

honestly i greatly favor SKT in the finals. I think KT had a better chance vs them.



Well, Jinair has trap to take out the sk zergs and the rest could be taken by sOs then.

Dream rekts both of them so..... as soon as Jin Air sends on sOs or Trap, SKT should send out Dream, also, Classic can handle Trap and sOs too


Pretty sure the other way around goes for maru and trap if you want to go that far. Why would you think Dream and Classic would handle Trap and sOs? I'm assuming when you said "can", you meant "can easily".

Dream hasn't lost to ANY Protoss lately except for Classic, and Classic is on his team, soooo.... He's ok for both Jin Air Toss's
Dark and soO can beat both Cure AND Maru easily; Classic (maybe) and Dream can both beat Rogue; Classic beat Stats with exceptional pvp, so barring some weirdass shenanigans from sOs, he'll be ok.
I think SKT has this in the bag, as long as they don't field INnoVation or even worse, Sorry.

Tell me, how is Jin air going to beat the lineup of:
Dark, soO, Dream and Classic
(Each one of the best in their race...),
Maru and sOs won't save em'
MiniFotToss
Profile Joined December 2013
China2430 Posts
June 30 2015 13:22 GMT
#918
Also, in Round 1, Dark 3 killed Jin Air, that's enough....
swissman777
Profile Joined September 2014
1106 Posts
June 30 2015 13:44 GMT
#919
On June 30 2015 22:19 MiniFotToss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 30 2015 22:08 swissman777 wrote:
On June 30 2015 22:02 MiniFotToss wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:44 swissman777 wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:36 dazed25 wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:32 Elentos wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:30 EngrishTeacher wrote:
Let's see here, mirrors are always relatively more coinflippy by nature, so at least either Bogus or Dream should stop Maru - and that takes care of Jin Air's super ace.

As for the rest of the rosters, Classic/Dark/Dream/Bogus/Soo seems like a stronger lineup than Jin Air's sOs/Maru/Rogue/Cure/Trap, but either way this is going to be a close one.


Dream? Dream's TvT is... uh... pretty... not good. Dark is a much better choice to take out Maru.

On June 30 2015 21:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:14 dazed25 wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
If KT just had a top level PvTer they'd be basically unstoppable.


just a vMaru'er tbh. Stats actually has (did?) reasonable PvT against anyone not named Dream or Maru.


To be fair, so does Zest

True. Zest has beaten most top Terrans this year, those 2 are pretty much exceptions (also TANGTANG and jjakji I guess).

Gotta get that First PvT mojo back on track though.


Dark soO and Classic are the best options to take out Maru. Although I do want to see Dream try to yolo drop Maru.

honestly i greatly favor SKT in the finals. I think KT had a better chance vs them.



Well, Jinair has trap to take out the sk zergs and the rest could be taken by sOs then.

Dream rekts both of them so..... as soon as Jin Air sends on sOs or Trap, SKT should send out Dream, also, Classic can handle Trap and sOs too


Pretty sure the other way around goes for maru and trap if you want to go that far. Why would you think Dream and Classic would handle Trap and sOs? I'm assuming when you said "can", you meant "can easily".

Dream hasn't lost to ANY Protoss lately except for Classic, and Classic is on his team, soooo.... He's ok for both Jin Air Toss's
Dark and soO can beat both Cure AND Maru easily; Classic (maybe) and Dream can both beat Rogue; Classic beat Stats with exceptional pvp, so barring some weirdass shenanigans from sOs, he'll be ok.
I think SKT has this in the bag, as long as they don't field INnoVation or even worse, Sorry.

Tell me, how is Jin air going to beat the lineup of:
Dark, soO, Dream and Classic
(Each one of the best in their race...),
Maru and sOs won't save em'


Rogue has beaten Dream plenty of times, so no to the assumption that Dream will definately win against Rogue.
Dream HAS lost to protosses by hero, sOs and classic. He has won however, against hero and sOs, Zest and Stats. This means Dream is good PvTer but so is sOs and Trap. Easpecially when Dream is good against defensive protosses like Stats, Zest and hero (at the semi), which sOs and Trap aren't.
Trap has won against both dark and soO. Trap seems to be dark's kryptonite btw. Check his winrate against him.
Maru's PvZ is not great against SKT zergs but does not lose "easily."
Classic's PvP is great but Trap and sOs' PvPs are also known to be good. Classic may be favored, but never easily.
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On June 30 2015 22:19 MiniFotToss wrote:
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On June 30 2015 22:08 swissman777 wrote:
On June 30 2015 22:02 MiniFotToss wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:44 swissman777 wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:36 dazed25 wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:32 Elentos wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:30 EngrishTeacher wrote:
Let's see here, mirrors are always relatively more coinflippy by nature, so at least either Bogus or Dream should stop Maru - and that takes care of Jin Air's super ace.

As for the rest of the rosters, Classic/Dark/Dream/Bogus/Soo seems like a stronger lineup than Jin Air's sOs/Maru/Rogue/Cure/Trap, but either way this is going to be a close one.


Dream? Dream's TvT is... uh... pretty... not good. Dark is a much better choice to take out Maru.

On June 30 2015 21:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:14 dazed25 wrote:
On June 30 2015 21:13 DarkLordOlli wrote:
If KT just had a top level PvTer they'd be basically unstoppable.


just a vMaru'er tbh. Stats actually has (did?) reasonable PvT against anyone not named Dream or Maru.


To be fair, so does Zest

True. Zest has beaten most top Terrans this year, those 2 are pretty much exceptions (also TANGTANG and jjakji I guess).

Gotta get that First PvT mojo back on track though.


Dark soO and Classic are the best options to take out Maru. Although I do want to see Dream try to yolo drop Maru.

honestly i greatly favor SKT in the finals. I think KT had a better chance vs them.



Well, Jinair has trap to take out the sk zergs and the rest could be taken by sOs then.

Dream rekts both of them so..... as soon as Jin Air sends on sOs or Trap, SKT should send out Dream, also, Classic can handle Trap and sOs too


Pretty sure the other way around goes for maru and trap if you want to go that far. Why would you think Dream and Classic would handle Trap and sOs? I'm assuming when you said "can", you meant "can easily".

Dream hasn't lost to ANY Protoss lately except for Classic, and Classic is on his team, soooo.... He's ok for both Jin Air Toss's
Dark and soO can beat both Cure AND Maru easily; Classic (maybe) and Dream can both beat Rogue; Classic beat Stats with exceptional pvp, so barring some weirdass shenanigans from sOs, he'll be ok.
I think SKT has this in the bag, as long as they don't field INnoVation or even worse, Sorry.

Tell me, how is Jin air going to beat the lineup of:
Dark, soO, Dream and Classic
(Each one of the best in their race...),
Maru and sOs won't save em'

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