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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On May 15 2015 12:07 BisuDagger wrote:
Lately the two I pick have been losing in SC2. Sucks for these guys, but Flash and Patience to advance.
gj
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Missed it :/ Another 2/2 though, nice
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Elentos
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After taking a bit of time to compose myself, I just wanna express my disappointment again. Flash showed up today and looked extremely strong in the first series against Dream, he looked pretty good vs herO and I was confident he'd advance for the majority of game 1 of the rematch with Dream. The thing I'm disappointed in isn't really the fact that he didn't make it, although sure, that's part of it. But rather, it's him using the same build 5 times in a row vs Dream.
You may say "Well duh, it's Flash.", which isn't totally wrong. The thing is, on his last stream, he played against the same Terran 5 times in a row and played out all games differently. He only meched once, for example, and played mech and bio both with high competence. If you're able to mix it up like that and do it on ladder, why would you not do it in Code S with this much on the line? :S
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On May 16 2015 00:42 Elentos wrote:
After taking a bit of time to compose myself, I just wanna express my disappointment again. Flash showed up today and looked extremely strong in the first series against Dream, he looked pretty good vs herO and I was confident he'd advance for the majority of game 1 of the rematch with Dream. The thing I'm disappointed in isn't really the fact that he didn't make it, although sure, that's part of it. But rather, it's him using the same build 5 times in a row vs Dream.
You may say "Well duh, it's Flash.", which isn't totally wrong. The thing is, on his last stream, he played against the same Terran 5 times in a row and played out all games differently. He only meched once, for example, and played mech and bio both with high competence. If you're able to mix it up like that and do it on ladder, why would you not do it in Code S with this much on the line? :S
My guess would be he just didn't expect to face Dream twice.
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On May 15 2015 23:08 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On May 15 2015 23:03 Caihead wrote:On May 15 2015 23:00 Heartland wrote:On May 15 2015 22:56 Caihead wrote:On May 15 2015 22:52 Heartland wrote:
What's so senseless is that people who have done so incredibly much more than Flash has or will are entirely forgotten in this insane fantasy that flash fans have. If Flash had done anything like what Bomber, Innovation, Soulkey or anyone else like that had done we would never hear the end of it. But flash has never been that great in sc2, it's been years now and it's just not happening. But people still bring up BW as if it was yesterday, as if he will still find his form. He won a tournament, he is a regular PL player, he's not terrible at all but his fans don't care about his accomplishments at all. They're just crutches to hold up their imagination which is just a brand, a symbol, something that has no weight or merit. That's why it feels so good every time stuff like this happens. Bull shit. 1. Flash fans are fans of other players as well. 2. Flash haters are worse. 3. Don't project your own bull shit. It's just empty caster hyperbole and KT Rolster having to play him so fans come to the arena, no matter his form. And that's why all flash fans are in a state of insane fantasy with mental crutches to hold up an imagination with no weight or merit, and why YOU feel so good every time he loses? Yea keep projecting your own bull shit. It's because the industry gains from it and because casters need easy storylines that they market him, which is what causes Flash fans to have this insane image of who he is which doesn't even correlate to his actual success. You're selling both Flash and other players cheap by being like this. Thanks for the great psychological analysis of me though!
Or maybe some people who are fans of players are fans of them despite their current form? Real ForGG fans stuck with him through high and low for years before that surprise win against Life, so all those people just had an insane image of him too then? Maybe people are fans of players due to their play styles and character and not just results You are broadly generalizing all fans of a player and straw-maning this mystical person with "an insane fantasy" with your bull shit analysis just because you choose to hate on a player, when almost all players are hyped up the exact same way with the exact same language by casters. Stop being such a condescending prick.
Case in point: ForGG hype, Jaedong hype, look at all the hype in the early days of WoL when Boxer and July was playing. Same shit. What gives you the right to make the assumption that all Flash fans are people incapable of making rational decisions or possessing a personal opinion.
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On May 16 2015 01:27 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2015 00:42 Elentos wrote:
After taking a bit of time to compose myself, I just wanna express my disappointment again. Flash showed up today and looked extremely strong in the first series against Dream, he looked pretty good vs herO and I was confident he'd advance for the majority of game 1 of the rematch with Dream. The thing I'm disappointed in isn't really the fact that he didn't make it, although sure, that's part of it. But rather, it's him using the same build 5 times in a row vs Dream.
You may say "Well duh, it's Flash.", which isn't totally wrong. The thing is, on his last stream, he played against the same Terran 5 times in a row and played out all games differently. He only meched once, for example, and played mech and bio both with high competence. If you're able to mix it up like that and do it on ladder, why would you not do it in Code S with this much on the line? :S My guess would be he just didn't expect to face Dream twice.
But he knows the builds and by the time their second series started he could have come up with something. It's not even just today, he does that way too often. Just stick with the same thing until you lose.
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Overall Flash 3-2 Dream, ....not fair!
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On May 16 2015 01:27 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2015 00:42 Elentos wrote:
After taking a bit of time to compose myself, I just wanna express my disappointment again. Flash showed up today and looked extremely strong in the first series against Dream, he looked pretty good vs herO and I was confident he'd advance for the majority of game 1 of the rematch with Dream. The thing I'm disappointed in isn't really the fact that he didn't make it, although sure, that's part of it. But rather, it's him using the same build 5 times in a row vs Dream.
You may say "Well duh, it's Flash.", which isn't totally wrong. The thing is, on his last stream, he played against the same Terran 5 times in a row and played out all games differently. He only meched once, for example, and played mech and bio both with high competence. If you're able to mix it up like that and do it on ladder, why would you not do it in Code S with this much on the line? :S My guess would be he just didn't expect to face Dream twice.
That would be pretty arrogant from him though
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On May 16 2015 01:55 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2015 01:27 sharkie wrote:On May 16 2015 00:42 Elentos wrote:
After taking a bit of time to compose myself, I just wanna express my disappointment again. Flash showed up today and looked extremely strong in the first series against Dream, he looked pretty good vs herO and I was confident he'd advance for the majority of game 1 of the rematch with Dream. The thing I'm disappointed in isn't really the fact that he didn't make it, although sure, that's part of it. But rather, it's him using the same build 5 times in a row vs Dream.
You may say "Well duh, it's Flash.", which isn't totally wrong. The thing is, on his last stream, he played against the same Terran 5 times in a row and played out all games differently. He only meched once, for example, and played mech and bio both with high competence. If you're able to mix it up like that and do it on ladder, why would you not do it in Code S with this much on the line? :S My guess would be he just didn't expect to face Dream twice. That would be pretty arrogant from him though
Did you watch the SSL group picks? Dream is very underrated and gets no respect from his peers.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On May 16 2015 01:36 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2015 01:27 sharkie wrote:On May 16 2015 00:42 Elentos wrote:
After taking a bit of time to compose myself, I just wanna express my disappointment again. Flash showed up today and looked extremely strong in the first series against Dream, he looked pretty good vs herO and I was confident he'd advance for the majority of game 1 of the rematch with Dream. The thing I'm disappointed in isn't really the fact that he didn't make it, although sure, that's part of it. But rather, it's him using the same build 5 times in a row vs Dream.
You may say "Well duh, it's Flash.", which isn't totally wrong. The thing is, on his last stream, he played against the same Terran 5 times in a row and played out all games differently. He only meched once, for example, and played mech and bio both with high competence. If you're able to mix it up like that and do it on ladder, why would you not do it in Code S with this much on the line? :S My guess would be he just didn't expect to face Dream twice. But he knows the builds and by the time their second series started he could have come up with something. It's not even just today, he does that way too often. Just stick with the same thing until you lose.
Flash has been like this his entire SC2 career. Him vs Parting, Him vs herO, Him vs Hydra, Him vs Shine, Him vs Dimaga, Him vs Yugioh, and those are just the ones off the top of my head.
That is just who Flash is as a player. It would be like asking Inca to not make DTs.
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On May 16 2015 02:08 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2015 01:55 OtherWorld wrote:On May 16 2015 01:27 sharkie wrote:On May 16 2015 00:42 Elentos wrote:
After taking a bit of time to compose myself, I just wanna express my disappointment again. Flash showed up today and looked extremely strong in the first series against Dream, he looked pretty good vs herO and I was confident he'd advance for the majority of game 1 of the rematch with Dream. The thing I'm disappointed in isn't really the fact that he didn't make it, although sure, that's part of it. But rather, it's him using the same build 5 times in a row vs Dream.
You may say "Well duh, it's Flash.", which isn't totally wrong. The thing is, on his last stream, he played against the same Terran 5 times in a row and played out all games differently. He only meched once, for example, and played mech and bio both with high competence. If you're able to mix it up like that and do it on ladder, why would you not do it in Code S with this much on the line? :S My guess would be he just didn't expect to face Dream twice. That would be pretty arrogant from him though Did you watch the SSL group picks? Dream is very underrated and gets no respect from his peers.
I didn't, but yeah I heard that he is indeed underrated by other pros. That's a bit dumb from them though, the guy is a SSL finalist, now in Ro8 of SSL and Ro16 of GSL, he's the best Terran on SKT atm, and has stellar TvZ (best in the world?) and excellent TvP. Hopefully he'll get more respect after this season, because I think that he'll do something like Ro4 SSL and Ro8/4 GSL.
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Sad beans man, this time he really should have advanced. Dream only played in 1 game better than Flash. But fortunately for him he didnt have to face the invincible herO - curse him for life
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On May 16 2015 02:16 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2015 01:36 Elentos wrote:On May 16 2015 01:27 sharkie wrote:On May 16 2015 00:42 Elentos wrote:
After taking a bit of time to compose myself, I just wanna express my disappointment again. Flash showed up today and looked extremely strong in the first series against Dream, he looked pretty good vs herO and I was confident he'd advance for the majority of game 1 of the rematch with Dream. The thing I'm disappointed in isn't really the fact that he didn't make it, although sure, that's part of it. But rather, it's him using the same build 5 times in a row vs Dream.
You may say "Well duh, it's Flash.", which isn't totally wrong. The thing is, on his last stream, he played against the same Terran 5 times in a row and played out all games differently. He only meched once, for example, and played mech and bio both with high competence. If you're able to mix it up like that and do it on ladder, why would you not do it in Code S with this much on the line? :S My guess would be he just didn't expect to face Dream twice. But he knows the builds and by the time their second series started he could have come up with something. It's not even just today, he does that way too often. Just stick with the same thing until you lose. Flash has been like this his entire SC2 career. Him vs Parting, Him vs herO, Him vs Hydra, Him vs Shine, Him vs Dimaga, Him vs Yugioh, and those are just the ones off the top of my head. That is just who Flash is as a player. It would be like asking Inca to not make DTs.
Well, yeah, but why is he a different player in a televised event than he is on stream?
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On May 16 2015 02:29 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2015 02:16 stuchiu wrote:On May 16 2015 01:36 Elentos wrote:On May 16 2015 01:27 sharkie wrote:On May 16 2015 00:42 Elentos wrote:
After taking a bit of time to compose myself, I just wanna express my disappointment again. Flash showed up today and looked extremely strong in the first series against Dream, he looked pretty good vs herO and I was confident he'd advance for the majority of game 1 of the rematch with Dream. The thing I'm disappointed in isn't really the fact that he didn't make it, although sure, that's part of it. But rather, it's him using the same build 5 times in a row vs Dream.
You may say "Well duh, it's Flash.", which isn't totally wrong. The thing is, on his last stream, he played against the same Terran 5 times in a row and played out all games differently. He only meched once, for example, and played mech and bio both with high competence. If you're able to mix it up like that and do it on ladder, why would you not do it in Code S with this much on the line? :S My guess would be he just didn't expect to face Dream twice. But he knows the builds and by the time their second series started he could have come up with something. It's not even just today, he does that way too often. Just stick with the same thing until you lose. Flash has been like this his entire SC2 career. Him vs Parting, Him vs herO, Him vs Hydra, Him vs Shine, Him vs Dimaga, Him vs Yugioh, and those are just the ones off the top of my head. That is just who Flash is as a player. It would be like asking Inca to not make DTs. Well, yeah, but why is he a different player in a televised event than he is on stream?
Can't say for sure since I can't interview him, but if I had to guess based on what I've seen. I think his view of SC2 is extremely similar to Rain in 2012 or Snute in 2014. All three of them believe that there is one way to play every matchup, one perfect build that if executed correctly should beat everything else. Obviously I think they're wrong (Rain got beaten by a cripple, herO got away with pure greed murder against Snute at IEM San Jose, Flash's entire career, etc.), but I can see where he's coming from.
The stream/practice is just there for him to test out the various builds and decide which is the best one he wants.*
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Do they still only have the 240p Steam for Free Users?
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On May 16 2015 02:32 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2015 02:29 Elentos wrote:On May 16 2015 02:16 stuchiu wrote:On May 16 2015 01:36 Elentos wrote:On May 16 2015 01:27 sharkie wrote:On May 16 2015 00:42 Elentos wrote:
After taking a bit of time to compose myself, I just wanna express my disappointment again. Flash showed up today and looked extremely strong in the first series against Dream, he looked pretty good vs herO and I was confident he'd advance for the majority of game 1 of the rematch with Dream. The thing I'm disappointed in isn't really the fact that he didn't make it, although sure, that's part of it. But rather, it's him using the same build 5 times in a row vs Dream.
You may say "Well duh, it's Flash.", which isn't totally wrong. The thing is, on his last stream, he played against the same Terran 5 times in a row and played out all games differently. He only meched once, for example, and played mech and bio both with high competence. If you're able to mix it up like that and do it on ladder, why would you not do it in Code S with this much on the line? :S My guess would be he just didn't expect to face Dream twice. But he knows the builds and by the time their second series started he could have come up with something. It's not even just today, he does that way too often. Just stick with the same thing until you lose. Flash has been like this his entire SC2 career. Him vs Parting, Him vs herO, Him vs Hydra, Him vs Shine, Him vs Dimaga, Him vs Yugioh, and those are just the ones off the top of my head. That is just who Flash is as a player. It would be like asking Inca to not make DTs. Well, yeah, but why is he a different player in a televised event than he is on stream? Can't say for sure since I can't interview him, but if I had to guess based on what I've seen. I think his view of SC2 is extremely similar to Rain in 2012 or Snute in 2014. All three of them believe that there is one way to play every matchup, one perfect build that if executed correctly should beat everything else. Obviously I think they're wrong (Rain got beaten by a cripple, herO got away with pure greed murder against Snute at IEM San Jose, Flash's entire career, etc.), but I can see where he's coming from. The stream/practice is just there for him to test out the various builds and decide which is the best one he wants.*
What I find interested is that Flash and Innovation play very similarily in the regard of one build to rule em all, little deviaton and pure macro. But inno has had way more success even though mechanicaly they are incredibly close
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On May 16 2015 02:34 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On May 16 2015 02:32 stuchiu wrote:On May 16 2015 02:29 Elentos wrote:On May 16 2015 02:16 stuchiu wrote:On May 16 2015 01:36 Elentos wrote:On May 16 2015 01:27 sharkie wrote:On May 16 2015 00:42 Elentos wrote:
After taking a bit of time to compose myself, I just wanna express my disappointment again. Flash showed up today and looked extremely strong in the first series against Dream, he looked pretty good vs herO and I was confident he'd advance for the majority of game 1 of the rematch with Dream. The thing I'm disappointed in isn't really the fact that he didn't make it, although sure, that's part of it. But rather, it's him using the same build 5 times in a row vs Dream.
You may say "Well duh, it's Flash.", which isn't totally wrong. The thing is, on his last stream, he played against the same Terran 5 times in a row and played out all games differently. He only meched once, for example, and played mech and bio both with high competence. If you're able to mix it up like that and do it on ladder, why would you not do it in Code S with this much on the line? :S My guess would be he just didn't expect to face Dream twice. But he knows the builds and by the time their second series started he could have come up with something. It's not even just today, he does that way too often. Just stick with the same thing until you lose. Flash has been like this his entire SC2 career. Him vs Parting, Him vs herO, Him vs Hydra, Him vs Shine, Him vs Dimaga, Him vs Yugioh, and those are just the ones off the top of my head. That is just who Flash is as a player. It would be like asking Inca to not make DTs. Well, yeah, but why is he a different player in a televised event than he is on stream? Can't say for sure since I can't interview him, but if I had to guess based on what I've seen. I think his view of SC2 is extremely similar to Rain in 2012 or Snute in 2014. All three of them believe that there is one way to play every matchup, one perfect build that if executed correctly should beat everything else. Obviously I think they're wrong (Rain got beaten by a cripple, herO got away with pure greed murder against Snute at IEM San Jose, Flash's entire career, etc.), but I can see where he's coming from. The stream/practice is just there for him to test out the various builds and decide which is the best one he wants.* What I find interested is that Flash and Innovation play very similarily in the regard of one build to rule em all, little deviaton and pure macro. But inno has had way more sucess
Cause Innovation was wayyyyyyyyyyy better at making that one build and better at execution.
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TheDwf is dangerously silent  cheer up man we ll get them next time 
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Flash train derailed
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Elentos
55594 Posts
On May 16 2015 02:34 Baatun88 wrote:
Do they still only have the 240p Steam for Free Users?
They've reached free medium.
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