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On March 28 2015 05:16 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:16 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had I will dispute that claim till my dying day How though? To me it looks like claiming that Mvp isn't the greatest innovator Terran ever had. This has to be swag_bro's alt account right? Main* Nah but I mean, can you name without bias another Zerg who changed the meta all by himself in two MUs? Who found the way to be successful mostly via strats and not via stellar macro like soO or micro like Life in a time where Zergs were weak? Nestea
Well then we're at two. Not many more than one :D
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Targa must really hate gas less openings. Doing Baneling pressure on Vani is just madness.
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On March 28 2015 05:16 TheAnarchy wrote:
Silence heathen. Are you saying Nestea Fruitdealer Mvp and MC dont mean anything[/QUOTE
Fruitdealer are you joking? MC, Nestea and MVP won tournaments after that.
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Heathen go cause chaos somewhere else you anarchist 
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On March 28 2015 05:16 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:15 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 05:10 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:07 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 05:05 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:00 Musicus wrote:On March 28 2015 04:58 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 Musicus wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 Yorkie wrote:
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Jaedong has never had as much mojo as Life. I'd actually expect Life to slump if he was given mojo from Jaedong. I'm kinda torn, very happy Jaedong is playing again, but on the other hand the LRs are now back to this... Life is one of the greatest of all time. If Hydra gave his mojo to Jaedong in BW, Id expect Jaedong to slump then too. They are just in different tiers of players. Yeah right now there is no doubt about that I agree. But it kinda feels like nobody sees what Jaedong already did in sc2, when for every other player his achievements would be huge. He also gets way more fan hype based on his legacy for lesser results than most players in sc2. It goes both ways. That particular fact is why I usually cheer against him It kind of weirds me out that your feelings for a player are affected by his fans haha I am extremely indiffrent towards Jaedong btw he is before my time. He wins a game: "THE TYRANT IS BACK FGHSUAJKLJ" He loses a game: "I hope his condition is okay the tyrant shall return he must be tired etc" It goes on and on and gets annoying. Leenock for example has done way more in sc2 but gets not nearly the credit I understand why you dislike his fangirls, but that's not something he has too much control all over. Well I dislike Bbyong because he makes banshees and his name is annoying to spell ,and Solar just because he beat soO at dreamhack while Classic and Zest are some of my favorite players, and I almost like Innovation (only terran I can say that about), so I guess I shouldn't comment on why other people dislike or like players. change that almost to love
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On March 28 2015 05:16 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:14 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had I will dispute that claim till my dying day How though? To me it looks like claiming that Mvp isn't the greatest innovator Terran ever had. This has to be swag_bro's alt account right? Main* Nah but I mean, can you name without bias another Zerg who changed the meta all by himself in two MUs? Who found the way to be successful mostly via strats and not via stellar macro like soO or micro like Life in a time where Zergs were weak?
Life was the only zerg to play aggressive during BL/infestor era. Nestea literally invented modern heavy eco zerg. Stephano built a lot of roaches because at the time protoss was taking very fast thirds all the time
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On March 28 2015 05:18 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:16 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:16 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had I will dispute that claim till my dying day How though? To me it looks like claiming that Mvp isn't the greatest innovator Terran ever had. This has to be swag_bro's alt account right? Main* Nah but I mean, can you name without bias another Zerg who changed the meta all by himself in two MUs? Who found the way to be successful mostly via strats and not via stellar macro like soO or micro like Life in a time where Zergs were weak? Nestea Well then we're at two. Not many more than one :D
I put Nestea as THE guys though
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I only dislike flash and jd because of their fan base. Well. That and because of casters.
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On March 28 2015 05:16 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:16 Shellshock wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 royalroadweed wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 Penev wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:11 Penev wrote:On March 28 2015 05:10 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:07 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 05:05 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:00 Musicus wrote:
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Yeah right now there is no doubt about that I agree. But it kinda feels like nobody sees what Jaedong already did in sc2, when for every other player his achievements would be huge. He also gets way more fan hype based on his legacy for lesser results than most players in sc2. It goes both ways. That particular fact is why I usually cheer against him It kind of weirds me out that your feelings for a player are affected by his fans haha I am extremely indiffrent towards Jaedong btw he is before my time. He wins a game: "THE TYRANT IS BACK FGHSUAJKLJ" He loses a game: "I hope his condition is okay the tyrant shall return he must be tired etc" It goes on and on and gets annoying. Leenock for example has done way more in sc2 but gets not nearly the credit Still not JD's fault though mhmm...which is why I don't hate him as a person, I just want him to lose so I don't have to read the overhyped tyrant is back messages with dancing sheep How do you feel about Flash? Flash has waaay more anti fans. Yeah I agree. It never really felt like Flash had that many fans beside the very beginning when he first switched just because of the hype. There are plenty of other players with bigger and louder fan bases these days but Flash still gets a lot of hate IEM Toronto MC 2-1 Flash never seen so much salt
Look at the LR. It also has significant amounts of anti fans gloating.
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On March 28 2015 05:19 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:16 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had I will dispute that claim till my dying day How though? To me it looks like claiming that Mvp isn't the greatest innovator Terran ever had. This has to be swag_bro's alt account right? Main* Nah but I mean, can you name without bias another Zerg who changed the meta all by himself in two MUs? Who found the way to be successful mostly via strats and not via stellar macro like soO or micro like Life in a time where Zergs were weak? Life was the only zerg to play aggressive during BL/infestor era. Nestea literally invented modern heavy eco zerg. Stephano built a lot of roaches because at the time protoss was taking very fast thirds all the time
do you really think that this is all Stephano did
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On March 28 2015 05:17 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:16 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:13 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:11 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:10 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:07 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 05:05 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:00 Musicus wrote:On March 28 2015 04:58 stuchiu wrote:
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Life is one of the greatest of all time. If Hydra gave his mojo to Jaedong in BW, Id expect Jaedong to slump then too. They are just in different tiers of players. Yeah right now there is no doubt about that I agree. But it kinda feels like nobody sees what Jaedong already did in sc2, when for every other player his achievements would be huge. He also gets way more fan hype based on his legacy for lesser results than most players in sc2. It goes both ways. That particular fact is why I usually cheer against him It kind of weirds me out that your feelings for a player are affected by his fans haha I am extremely indiffrent towards Jaedong btw he is before my time. He wins a game: "THE TYRANT IS BACK FGHSUAJKLJ" He loses a game: "I hope his condition is okay the tyrant shall return he must be tired etc" It goes on and on and gets annoying. Leenock for example has done way more in sc2 but gets not nearly the credit That's kinda what fans do though dude You have to admit it's more pronounced with players like Flash, Scarlett, JD, Naniwa, etc Well yeah. But that happens when you have a large and loud fanbase It's not the size of the fan base that matters, it's how they use it Zealously abuses his god powers to feed us Life propaganda
Did Life actually win GSL!? :o
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On March 28 2015 05:17 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:16 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had I will dispute that claim till my dying day How though? To me it looks like claiming that Mvp isn't the greatest innovator Terran ever had. This has to be swag_bro's alt account right? Main* Nah but I mean, can you name without bias another Zerg who changed the meta all by himself in two MUs? Who found the way to be successful mostly via strats and not via stellar macro like soO or micro like Life in a time where Zergs were weak? well, you have to remember though how stellar Stephano's micro was
Yes, but he'll go down in history mostly for his Roach max and ling/festor (and drunken stories) while Life wiwill mainly for his sick micro
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Targa going for double roach warren for a timing or accident?
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On March 28 2015 05:19 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:16 Ej_ wrote:On March 28 2015 05:16 Shellshock wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 royalroadweed wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 Penev wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:11 Penev wrote:On March 28 2015 05:10 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:07 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 05:05 Yorkie wrote:
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He also gets way more fan hype based on his legacy for lesser results than most players in sc2. It goes both ways. That particular fact is why I usually cheer against him It kind of weirds me out that your feelings for a player are affected by his fans haha I am extremely indiffrent towards Jaedong btw he is before my time. He wins a game: "THE TYRANT IS BACK FGHSUAJKLJ" He loses a game: "I hope his condition is okay the tyrant shall return he must be tired etc" It goes on and on and gets annoying. Leenock for example has done way more in sc2 but gets not nearly the credit Still not JD's fault though mhmm...which is why I don't hate him as a person, I just want him to lose so I don't have to read the overhyped tyrant is back messages with dancing sheep How do you feel about Flash? Flash has waaay more anti fans. Yeah I agree. It never really felt like Flash had that many fans beside the very beginning when he first switched just because of the hype. There are plenty of other players with bigger and louder fan bases these days but Flash still gets a lot of hate IEM Toronto MC 2-1 Flash never seen so much salt Look at the LR. It also has significant amounts of anti fans gloating.
never have I felt as much as stuchiu as I did then
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The age means something, but what I am also confident of is that once you achieve a lot in one thing you just simply cannot take the same heights in another. It would be better to just leave at some point and stop this. It does not make me happy at all watching him getting wrecked all the time. And tbh for a very long time I have not seen a spark in his eyes.
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On March 28 2015 05:19 Heartland wrote:
I only dislike flash and jd because of their fan base. Well. That and because of casters.
When they play it sometimes feels they are the only one in the game if you listen to the casters D:
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On March 28 2015 05:19 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:16 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had I will dispute that claim till my dying day How though? To me it looks like claiming that Mvp isn't the greatest innovator Terran ever had. This has to be swag_bro's alt account right? Main* Nah but I mean, can you name without bias another Zerg who changed the meta all by himself in two MUs? Who found the way to be successful mostly via strats and not via stellar macro like soO or micro like Life in a time where Zergs were weak? Life was the only zerg to play aggressive during BL/infestor era. Nestea literally invented modern heavy eco zerg. Stephano built a lot of roaches because at the time protoss was taking very fast thirds all the time
You're forgetting about the TSL Zergs.
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On March 28 2015 05:16 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:14 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had I will dispute that claim till my dying day How though? To me it looks like claiming that Mvp isn't the greatest innovator Terran ever had. This has to be swag_bro's alt account right? Main* Nah but I mean, can you name without bias another Zerg who changed the meta all by himself in two MUs? Who found the way to be successful mostly via strats and not via stellar macro like soO or micro like Life in a time where Zergs were weak?
Whoever invented BL/Infestor
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On March 28 2015 05:19 Shellshock wrote:
Targa going for double roach warren for a timing or accident?
never seen double roach warren in ZvZ not being an accident
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On March 28 2015 05:19 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:17 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:16 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:13 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:11 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:10 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:07 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 05:05 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:00 Musicus wrote:
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Yeah right now there is no doubt about that I agree. But it kinda feels like nobody sees what Jaedong already did in sc2, when for every other player his achievements would be huge. He also gets way more fan hype based on his legacy for lesser results than most players in sc2. It goes both ways. That particular fact is why I usually cheer against him It kind of weirds me out that your feelings for a player are affected by his fans haha I am extremely indiffrent towards Jaedong btw he is before my time. He wins a game: "THE TYRANT IS BACK FGHSUAJKLJ" He loses a game: "I hope his condition is okay the tyrant shall return he must be tired etc" It goes on and on and gets annoying. Leenock for example has done way more in sc2 but gets not nearly the credit That's kinda what fans do though dude You have to admit it's more pronounced with players like Flash, Scarlett, JD, Naniwa, etc Well yeah. But that happens when you have a large and loud fanbase It's not the size of the fan base that matters, it's how they use it Zealously abuses his god powers to feed us Life propaganda Did Life actually win GSL!? :o
if news was always delivered in Zealously hyperbole we probably would not know
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On March 28 2015 05:19 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:17 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:16 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:13 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:11 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:10 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:07 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 05:05 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:00 Musicus wrote:
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Yeah right now there is no doubt about that I agree. But it kinda feels like nobody sees what Jaedong already did in sc2, when for every other player his achievements would be huge. He also gets way more fan hype based on his legacy for lesser results than most players in sc2. It goes both ways. That particular fact is why I usually cheer against him It kind of weirds me out that your feelings for a player are affected by his fans haha I am extremely indiffrent towards Jaedong btw he is before my time. He wins a game: "THE TYRANT IS BACK FGHSUAJKLJ" He loses a game: "I hope his condition is okay the tyrant shall return he must be tired etc" It goes on and on and gets annoying. Leenock for example has done way more in sc2 but gets not nearly the credit That's kinda what fans do though dude You have to admit it's more pronounced with players like Flash, Scarlett, JD, Naniwa, etc Well yeah. But that happens when you have a large and loud fanbase It's not the size of the fan base that matters, it's how they use it Zealously abuses his god powers to feed us Life propaganda Did Life actually win GSL!? :o
To this day I'm not sure
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