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On March 28 2015 05:09 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had I will dispute that claim till my dying day
I mean he made the best zerg build ever, roach max.
also I meant popularize, not invent. DH Stockholm was like 1st HotS tournament after IEM? And Jaedong was already spamming 3hatch before pool (I'm very well aware it's an old build). And he was doing all that stuff that often looked stupid as shit but when it worked it was the coolest. I just really liked the way he played.
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On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had
"look at this cool new way of playing where I never scout and mass roaches and win against greedy pro tosses!"
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On March 28 2015 05:10 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:07 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 05:05 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:00 Musicus wrote:On March 28 2015 04:58 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 Musicus wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 Yorkie wrote:
Heart has superb bio TvZ. JD never stood a chance Suprised anyone thought he did He gave all of his mojo to Life after all. Jaedong has never had as much mojo as Life. I'd actually expect Life to slump if he was given mojo from Jaedong. I'm kinda torn, very happy Jaedong is playing again, but on the other hand the LRs are now back to this... Life is one of the greatest of all time. If Hydra gave his mojo to Jaedong in BW, Id expect Jaedong to slump then too. They are just in different tiers of players. Yeah right now there is no doubt about that I agree. But it kinda feels like nobody sees what Jaedong already did in sc2, when for every other player his achievements would be huge. He also gets way more fan hype based on his legacy for lesser results than most players in sc2. It goes both ways. That particular fact is why I usually cheer against him It kind of weirds me out that your feelings for a player are affected by his fans haha I am extremely indiffrent towards Jaedong btw he is before my time. He wins a game: "THE TYRANT IS BACK FGHSUAJKLJ" He loses a game: "I hope his condition is okay the tyrant shall return he must be tired etc" It goes on and on and gets annoying. Leenock for example has done way more in sc2 but gets not nearly the credit
That's kinda what fans do though dude
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On March 28 2015 05:07 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:06 TheAnarchy wrote:On March 28 2015 05:00 KeksX wrote:On March 28 2015 04:59 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:58 KeksX wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 letian wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 KeksX wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 letian wrote:
there is nothing more sad than an aging veteran Heart is like 1 year younger given the legacy that lies on JD's shoulders, I doubt Heart would achieve even a small fraction of it. But considering age, yes, you are right. I just don't think that the age thing is really it, I mean there have been many players very succesful even though they were older, see NesTea. Guy approached his 30s at his dominance. Nestea is the only person to have done that in almost any esport. He's an exception of the exceptions. Boxer wasn't exactly young when he was good as well, though. Boxer in SC1? He was 23 or 24. In SC2 he was never that good. Blasphemy. BoxeR made a ro4 in GSL
The second GSL that doesnt mean much.
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On March 28 2015 05:09 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had I will dispute that claim till my dying day
How though? To me it looks like claiming that Mvp isn't the greatest innovator Terran ever had.
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On March 28 2015 05:11 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:11 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had Fruitdealer. He showed us the way. I loved Fruitdealer cause it felt like you never knew what he was going to do next. Then Nestea kind of carried on the torch with those spine rushes and stuff
i wish i was around in the times of frutidealer and nestea, i probably would have been in love
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On March 28 2015 05:11 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:10 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:07 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 05:05 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:00 Musicus wrote:On March 28 2015 04:58 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 Musicus wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 HellHound wrote:
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Suprised anyone thought he did He gave all of his mojo to Life after all. Jaedong has never had as much mojo as Life. I'd actually expect Life to slump if he was given mojo from Jaedong. I'm kinda torn, very happy Jaedong is playing again, but on the other hand the LRs are now back to this... Life is one of the greatest of all time. If Hydra gave his mojo to Jaedong in BW, Id expect Jaedong to slump then too. They are just in different tiers of players. Yeah right now there is no doubt about that I agree. But it kinda feels like nobody sees what Jaedong already did in sc2, when for every other player his achievements would be huge. He also gets way more fan hype based on his legacy for lesser results than most players in sc2. It goes both ways. That particular fact is why I usually cheer against him It kind of weirds me out that your feelings for a player are affected by his fans haha I am extremely indiffrent towards Jaedong btw he is before my time. He wins a game: "THE TYRANT IS BACK FGHSUAJKLJ" He loses a game: "I hope his condition is okay the tyrant shall return he must be tired etc" It goes on and on and gets annoying. Leenock for example has done way more in sc2 but gets not nearly the credit Still not JD's fault though
mhmm...which is why I don't hate him as a person, I just want him to lose so I don't have to read the overhyped tyrant is back messages with dancing sheep
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On March 28 2015 05:11 TheAnarchy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:07 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:06 TheAnarchy wrote:On March 28 2015 05:00 KeksX wrote:On March 28 2015 04:59 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:58 KeksX wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 letian wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 KeksX wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 letian wrote:
there is nothing more sad than an aging veteran Heart is like 1 year younger given the legacy that lies on JD's shoulders, I doubt Heart would achieve even a small fraction of it. But considering age, yes, you are right. I just don't think that the age thing is really it, I mean there have been many players very succesful even though they were older, see NesTea. Guy approached his 30s at his dominance. Nestea is the only person to have done that in almost any esport. He's an exception of the exceptions. Boxer wasn't exactly young when he was good as well, though. Boxer in SC1? He was 23 or 24. In SC2 he was never that good. Blasphemy. BoxeR made a ro4 in GSL The second GSL that doesnt mean much.
Silence heathen. Are you saying Nestea Fruitdealer Mvp and MC dont mean anything
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On March 28 2015 05:12 KingofdaHipHop wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:11 Shellshock wrote:On March 28 2015 05:11 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had Fruitdealer. He showed us the way. I loved Fruitdealer cause it felt like you never knew what he was going to do next. Then Nestea kind of carried on the torch with those spine rushes and stuff i wish i was around in the times of frutidealer and nestea, i probably would have been in love
The VODs are on YT.
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On March 28 2015 05:12 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:09 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had I will dispute that claim till my dying day How though? To me it looks like claiming that Mvp isn't the greatest innovator Terran ever had.
Mostly personal reason xD
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On March 28 2015 05:11 TheAnarchy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:07 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:06 TheAnarchy wrote:On March 28 2015 05:00 KeksX wrote:On March 28 2015 04:59 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:58 KeksX wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 letian wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 KeksX wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 letian wrote:
there is nothing more sad than an aging veteran Heart is like 1 year younger given the legacy that lies on JD's shoulders, I doubt Heart would achieve even a small fraction of it. But considering age, yes, you are right. I just don't think that the age thing is really it, I mean there have been many players very succesful even though they were older, see NesTea. Guy approached his 30s at his dominance. Nestea is the only person to have done that in almost any esport. He's an exception of the exceptions. Boxer wasn't exactly young when he was good as well, though. Boxer in SC1? He was 23 or 24. In SC2 he was never that good. Blasphemy. BoxeR made a ro4 in GSL The second GSL that doesnt mean much.
He wasnt even the best Boxer in that tournament
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On March 28 2015 05:11 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:10 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:07 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 05:05 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:00 Musicus wrote:On March 28 2015 04:58 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 Musicus wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 HellHound wrote:
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Suprised anyone thought he did He gave all of his mojo to Life after all. Jaedong has never had as much mojo as Life. I'd actually expect Life to slump if he was given mojo from Jaedong. I'm kinda torn, very happy Jaedong is playing again, but on the other hand the LRs are now back to this... Life is one of the greatest of all time. If Hydra gave his mojo to Jaedong in BW, Id expect Jaedong to slump then too. They are just in different tiers of players. Yeah right now there is no doubt about that I agree. But it kinda feels like nobody sees what Jaedong already did in sc2, when for every other player his achievements would be huge. He also gets way more fan hype based on his legacy for lesser results than most players in sc2. It goes both ways. That particular fact is why I usually cheer against him It kind of weirds me out that your feelings for a player are affected by his fans haha I am extremely indiffrent towards Jaedong btw he is before my time. He wins a game: "THE TYRANT IS BACK FGHSUAJKLJ" He loses a game: "I hope his condition is okay the tyrant shall return he must be tired etc" It goes on and on and gets annoying. Leenock for example has done way more in sc2 but gets not nearly the credit That's kinda what fans do though dude
You have to admit it's more pronounced with players like Flash, Scarlett, JD, Naniwa, etc
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On March 28 2015 05:12 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:09 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had I will dispute that claim till my dying day How though? To me it looks like claiming that Mvp isn't the greatest innovator Terran ever had.
a roach recognizes a roach
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On March 28 2015 05:12 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:11 Penev wrote:On March 28 2015 05:10 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:07 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 05:05 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:00 Musicus wrote:On March 28 2015 04:58 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 Musicus wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 Yorkie wrote:
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Jaedong has never had as much mojo as Life. I'd actually expect Life to slump if he was given mojo from Jaedong. I'm kinda torn, very happy Jaedong is playing again, but on the other hand the LRs are now back to this... Life is one of the greatest of all time. If Hydra gave his mojo to Jaedong in BW, Id expect Jaedong to slump then too. They are just in different tiers of players. Yeah right now there is no doubt about that I agree. But it kinda feels like nobody sees what Jaedong already did in sc2, when for every other player his achievements would be huge. He also gets way more fan hype based on his legacy for lesser results than most players in sc2. It goes both ways. That particular fact is why I usually cheer against him It kind of weirds me out that your feelings for a player are affected by his fans haha I am extremely indiffrent towards Jaedong btw he is before my time. He wins a game: "THE TYRANT IS BACK FGHSUAJKLJ" He loses a game: "I hope his condition is okay the tyrant shall return he must be tired etc" It goes on and on and gets annoying. Leenock for example has done way more in sc2 but gets not nearly the credit Still not JD's fault though mhmm...which is why I don't hate him as a person, I just want him to lose so I don't have to read the overhyped tyrant is back messages with dancing sheep
How do you feel about Flash?
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On March 28 2015 05:12 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:09 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had I will dispute that claim till my dying day How though? To me it looks like claiming that Mvp isn't the greatest innovator Terran ever had.
This has to be swag_bro's alt account right?
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On March 28 2015 05:13 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:12 KingofdaHipHop wrote:On March 28 2015 05:11 Shellshock wrote:On March 28 2015 05:11 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had Fruitdealer. He showed us the way. I loved Fruitdealer cause it felt like you never knew what he was going to do next. Then Nestea kind of carried on the torch with those spine rushes and stuff i wish i was around in the times of frutidealer and nestea, i probably would have been in love The VODs are on YT.
well i've obviously seen some of them  i just thinking it woulda been cool atmosphere to be in.
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On March 28 2015 05:13 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:11 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:10 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:07 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 05:05 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:00 Musicus wrote:On March 28 2015 04:58 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 Musicus wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 Yorkie wrote:
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Jaedong has never had as much mojo as Life. I'd actually expect Life to slump if he was given mojo from Jaedong. I'm kinda torn, very happy Jaedong is playing again, but on the other hand the LRs are now back to this... Life is one of the greatest of all time. If Hydra gave his mojo to Jaedong in BW, Id expect Jaedong to slump then too. They are just in different tiers of players. Yeah right now there is no doubt about that I agree. But it kinda feels like nobody sees what Jaedong already did in sc2, when for every other player his achievements would be huge. He also gets way more fan hype based on his legacy for lesser results than most players in sc2. It goes both ways. That particular fact is why I usually cheer against him It kind of weirds me out that your feelings for a player are affected by his fans haha I am extremely indiffrent towards Jaedong btw he is before my time. He wins a game: "THE TYRANT IS BACK FGHSUAJKLJ" He loses a game: "I hope his condition is okay the tyrant shall return he must be tired etc" It goes on and on and gets annoying. Leenock for example has done way more in sc2 but gets not nearly the credit That's kinda what fans do though dude You have to admit it's more pronounced with players like Flash, Scarlett, JD, Naniwa, etc
Well yeah. But that happens when you have a large and loud fanbase
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meanwhile Targa and Snute are still playing
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On March 28 2015 05:12 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:09 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had I will dispute that claim till my dying day How though? To me it looks like claiming that Mvp isn't the greatest innovator Terran ever had.
Imo Nestea did more for zerg. He was the first one that delayed lair and just droned up.
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On March 28 2015 05:10 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:07 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 05:05 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:00 Musicus wrote:On March 28 2015 04:58 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 Musicus wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 Yorkie wrote:
Heart has superb bio TvZ. JD never stood a chance Suprised anyone thought he did He gave all of his mojo to Life after all. Jaedong has never had as much mojo as Life. I'd actually expect Life to slump if he was given mojo from Jaedong. I'm kinda torn, very happy Jaedong is playing again, but on the other hand the LRs are now back to this... Life is one of the greatest of all time. If Hydra gave his mojo to Jaedong in BW, Id expect Jaedong to slump then too. They are just in different tiers of players. Yeah right now there is no doubt about that I agree. But it kinda feels like nobody sees what Jaedong already did in sc2, when for every other player his achievements would be huge. He also gets way more fan hype based on his legacy for lesser results than most players in sc2. It goes both ways. That particular fact is why I usually cheer against him It kind of weirds me out that your feelings for a player are affected by his fans haha I am extremely indiffrent towards Jaedong btw he is before my time. He wins a game: "THE TYRANT IS BACK FGHSUAJKLJ" He loses a game: "I hope his condition is okay the tyrant shall return he must be tired etc" It goes on and on and gets annoying. Leenock for example has done way more in sc2 but gets not nearly the credit
You are right, but I bet you also agree that being a second best player in SC1 and achieve so comparably little in SC2 makes his fans sad.
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