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On March 28 2015 05:06 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:01 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:01 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 04:59 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:58 royalroadweed wrote:On March 28 2015 04:55 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 HellHound wrote:
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Suprised anyone thought he did He gave all of his mojo to Life after all. Jaedong has never had as much mojo as Life. His BW mojo was siiiiiiick *sigh* OF COURSE whenever I say anything negative about JD I am obviously talking about sc2 only His 2013 was pretty siiiick It was also also filled with mostly silver. So was soO's 2014 was still an incredible ( and heartbreaking) year soO's 2014 would probably be #1 if we made a top 10 of the most heartbreaking years for progamers )': Easily What about the year NaDa's father died and he started slumping? Its doesn't get much worse than that.
He had success at least. Got to taste the sweetness of victory.
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On March 28 2015 05:04 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:03 PhoenixVoid wrote:On March 28 2015 05:02 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 05:00 KeksX wrote:On March 28 2015 04:59 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:58 KeksX wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 letian wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 KeksX wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 letian wrote:
there is nothing more sad than an aging veteran Heart is like 1 year younger given the legacy that lies on JD's shoulders, I doubt Heart would achieve even a small fraction of it. But considering age, yes, you are right. I just don't think that the age thing is really it, I mean there have been many players very succesful even though they were older, see NesTea. Guy approached his 30s at his dominance. Nestea is the only person to have done that in almost any esport. He's an exception of the exceptions. Boxer wasn't exactly young when he was good as well, though. Boxer was pretty young when he was considered a bonjwa. Boxer was like in his early to mid 20s when he really hit his bonjwa level. Nestea was 29 or 30 when he hit his.
There are so many mitigating factors with how young the metagame was in both of their cases that I don't think referring to them as Bonjwas really gives the right idea when comparing them to the elite players of the more established metagames. Yes, they had strategic brilliance, but it wasn't combined with the ridiculous mechanics that partially defined later dominant players.
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On March 28 2015 05:06 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:01 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:01 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 04:59 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:58 royalroadweed wrote:On March 28 2015 04:55 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 HellHound wrote:
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Suprised anyone thought he did He gave all of his mojo to Life after all. Jaedong has never had as much mojo as Life. His BW mojo was siiiiiiick *sigh* OF COURSE whenever I say anything negative about JD I am obviously talking about sc2 only His 2013 was pretty siiiick It was also also filled with mostly silver. So was soO's 2014 was still an incredible ( and heartbreaking) year soO's 2014 would probably be #1 if we made a top 10 of the most heartbreaking years for progamers )': Easily What about the year NaDa's father died and he started slumping? Its doesn't get much worse than that.
Oh shiiiit yeah
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TIL Jaedong invented mass larva and 3 hatch before pool
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Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly.
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On March 28 2015 05:08 Yorkie wrote:
TIL Jaedong invented mass larva and 3 hatch before pool
no-one said he invented it
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On March 28 2015 05:06 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:05 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 05:03 Ej_ wrote:On March 28 2015 05:01 IndoKoreanMuslim wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 Ej_ wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:55 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 Yorkie wrote:
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Jaedong has never had as much mojo as Life. His BW mojo was siiiiiiick *sigh* OF COURSE whenever I say anything negative about JD I am obviously talking about sc2 only His 2013 was pretty siiiick It was okay. The Blizzcon run was miraculous as was the WCS season 2 when he finally learned how to beat protoss but he always got super exposed by better players in the finals I have infinite respect for JD's SC2 career for what he did in ZvP matchup. By getting bopped by 6 pylons and 3 cannons in front of his natural? by popularizing 3 hatch before pool, beating Protoss deathball without swarm hosts but with perfect unit composition and control, popularizing mass larva playstyle and inveting the double hydra den timing. mass larva style play was nestea. Multiple players other than Jaeodng used unit comps other than Swarmhosts to beat protoss. And a lot of players used 3 hatch before pool. I don't think there is a definitive answer for whose innovations those were. Let me live in my world where his ZvP was mesmerizing
His ZvP was good, but he wasn't a revolutionist.
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On March 28 2015 05:08 Yorkie wrote:
TIL Jaedong invented mass larva and 3 hatch before pool
He also invented making queens and building spawning pools
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On March 28 2015 05:08 Yorkie wrote:
TIL Jaedong invented mass larva and 3 hatch before pool
Jaedong invented queen injects?
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On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly.
Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had
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On March 28 2015 05:07 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:06 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:05 Shellshock wrote:On March 28 2015 05:03 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:03 Alchemik wrote:On March 28 2015 05:00 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:59 OtherWorld wrote:
Okay so JD lost. Did he look terrible? And since I guess that the answer is positive, which level of terrible? Foreigners could beat him oh come on it wasn't THAT bad Bunny would have beaten him. I'd take maybe Bunny and Marinelord based off recent play but idk how much further I'd go among foreign terrans. I mean at the end of the day it's still foreign terrans... the weakest pool of players in the overall history of sc2 Maybe MajOr mech I dunno but yeha foreign terrans generally suck not atm
I'm not getting my hopes up. Lucifron never forget.
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TargA tapping into that sweet Norwegian oil mineral fund.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had
I will dispute that claim till my dying day
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On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had
I'm sure there's this one gold player who did what Stephano was doing way before him
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On March 28 2015 05:09 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had I will dispute that claim till my dying day
you will lose
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On March 28 2015 05:07 HellHound wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:05 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:00 Musicus wrote:On March 28 2015 04:58 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 Musicus wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 Yorkie wrote:
Heart has superb bio TvZ. JD never stood a chance Suprised anyone thought he did He gave all of his mojo to Life after all. Jaedong has never had as much mojo as Life. I'd actually expect Life to slump if he was given mojo from Jaedong. I'm kinda torn, very happy Jaedong is playing again, but on the other hand the LRs are now back to this... Life is one of the greatest of all time. If Hydra gave his mojo to Jaedong in BW, Id expect Jaedong to slump then too. They are just in different tiers of players. Yeah right now there is no doubt about that I agree. But it kinda feels like nobody sees what Jaedong already did in sc2, when for every other player his achievements would be huge. He also gets way more fan hype based on his legacy for lesser results than most players in sc2. It goes both ways. That particular fact is why I usually cheer against him It kind of weirds me out that your feelings for a player are affected by his fans haha I am extremely indiffrent towards Jaedong btw he is before my time.
He wins a game: "THE TYRANT IS BACK FGHSUAJKLJ"
He loses a game: "I hope his condition is okay the tyrant shall return he must be tired etc"
It goes on and on and gets annoying. Leenock for example has done way more in sc2 but gets not nearly the credit
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On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had
Fruitdealer. He showed us the way.
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On March 28 2015 05:10 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:07 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 05:05 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:00 Musicus wrote:On March 28 2015 04:58 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 Musicus wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 Yorkie wrote:
Heart has superb bio TvZ. JD never stood a chance Suprised anyone thought he did He gave all of his mojo to Life after all. Jaedong has never had as much mojo as Life. I'd actually expect Life to slump if he was given mojo from Jaedong. I'm kinda torn, very happy Jaedong is playing again, but on the other hand the LRs are now back to this... Life is one of the greatest of all time. If Hydra gave his mojo to Jaedong in BW, Id expect Jaedong to slump then too. They are just in different tiers of players. Yeah right now there is no doubt about that I agree. But it kinda feels like nobody sees what Jaedong already did in sc2, when for every other player his achievements would be huge. He also gets way more fan hype based on his legacy for lesser results than most players in sc2. It goes both ways. That particular fact is why I usually cheer against him It kind of weirds me out that your feelings for a player are affected by his fans haha I am extremely indiffrent towards Jaedong btw he is before my time. He wins a game: "THE TYRANT IS BACK FGHSUAJKLJ" He loses a game: "I hope his condition is okay the tyrant shall return he must be tired etc" It goes on and on and gets annoying. Leenock for example has done way more in sc2 but gets not nearly the credit
Still not JD's fault though
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On March 28 2015 05:11 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had Fruitdealer. He showed us the way.
I loved Fruitdealer cause it felt like you never knew what he was going to do next. Then Nestea kind of carried on the torch with those spine rushes and stuff
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