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On March 28 2015 04:57 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 04:56 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:55 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 Yorkie wrote:
Heart has superb bio TvZ. JD never stood a chance Suprised anyone thought he did He gave all of his mojo to Life after all. Jaedong has never had as much mojo as Life. His BW mojo was siiiiiiick *sigh* OF COURSE whenever I say anything negative about JD I am obviously talking about sc2 only His 2013 was pretty siiiick It was okay. The Blizzcon run was miraculous as was the WCS season 2 when he finally learned how to beat protoss but he always got super exposed by better players in the finals He was 2nd best Zerg of they year after Soulkey though so theres that
Zerg was very weak overall in 2013 (not the balance, but the tournament placings). Not saying JD didn't have a great year but for example soO's 2014 was better than Jaedong's 2013
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On March 28 2015 04:59 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 04:55 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 Yorkie wrote:
Heart has superb bio TvZ. JD never stood a chance Suprised anyone thought he did He gave all of his mojo to Life after all. Jaedong has never had as much mojo as Life. His BW mojo was siiiiiiick *sigh* OF COURSE whenever I say anything negative about JD I am obviously talking about sc2 only His 2013 was pretty siiiick Indeed it was, and people are alway exaggerating so much when they talk about his 2014. Him winning LSC and WEC never gets mentioned. And then people always say "a few top8s", when he got to the semis of 3 IEMs and 2 DHs. He only really sucked in WCS, which makes sense since he had no time to prepare for matches with all his travel.
How much time does it take to prepare for Has?
Exactly 30 minutes of Vod watching.
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On March 28 2015 04:58 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 04:56 Musicus wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 Yorkie wrote:
Heart has superb bio TvZ. JD never stood a chance Suprised anyone thought he did He gave all of his mojo to Life after all. Jaedong has never had as much mojo as Life. I'd actually expect Life to slump if he was given mojo from Jaedong. I'm kinda torn, very happy Jaedong is playing again, but on the other hand the LRs are now back to this... Life is one of the greatest of all time. If Hydra gave his mojo to Jaedong in BW, Id expect Jaedong to slump then too. They are just in different tiers of players.
Yeah right now there is no doubt about that I agree. But it kinda feels like nobody sees what Jaedong already did in sc2, when for every other player his achievements would be huge.
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On March 28 2015 04:59 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 04:58 KeksX wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 letian wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 KeksX wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 letian wrote:
there is nothing more sad than an aging veteran Heart is like 1 year younger given the legacy that lies on JD's shoulders, I doubt Heart would achieve even a small fraction of it. But considering age, yes, you are right. I just don't think that the age thing is really it, I mean there have been many players very succesful even though they were older, see NesTea. Guy approached his 30s at his dominance. Nestea is the only person to have done that in almost any esport. He's an exception of the exceptions.
Boxer wasn't exactly young when he was good as well, though.
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On March 28 2015 04:59 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 04:58 Shellshock wrote:On March 28 2015 04:57 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:55 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 Yorkie wrote:
Heart has superb bio TvZ. JD never stood a chance Suprised anyone thought he did He gave all of his mojo to Life after all. Jaedong has never had as much mojo as Life. His BW mojo was siiiiiiick *sigh* OF COURSE whenever I say anything negative about JD I am obviously talking about sc2 only His 2013 was pretty siiiick It was okay. The Blizzcon run was miraculous as was the WCS season 2 when he finally learned how to beat protoss but he always got super exposed by better players in the finals He was 2nd best Zerg of they year after Soulkey though so theres that Didn't RorO win zerg of the year that year? Yeah gom gave it to him. Even though RorO's win was in a different game xD
I don't get Korean sc2 awards.
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United States97276 Posts
On March 28 2015 05:00 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 04:58 Shellshock wrote:On March 28 2015 04:57 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:55 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 Yorkie wrote:
Heart has superb bio TvZ. JD never stood a chance Suprised anyone thought he did He gave all of his mojo to Life after all. Jaedong has never had as much mojo as Life. His BW mojo was siiiiiiick *sigh* OF COURSE whenever I say anything negative about JD I am obviously talking about sc2 only His 2013 was pretty siiiick It was okay. The Blizzcon run was miraculous as was the WCS season 2 when he finally learned how to beat protoss but he always got super exposed by better players in the finals He was 2nd best Zerg of they year after Soulkey though so theres that Didn't RorO win zerg of the year that year? didn't Soulkey win best player of the year. Soulkey>everyone, but RorO>Soulkey...^^
it's like how they gave MMA player of the year for winning Blizzard Cup 2011 since that's just how they picked it but Mvp won Terran of the Year 2011 :D
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On March 28 2015 04:56 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 04:56 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:55 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 Yorkie wrote:
Heart has superb bio TvZ. JD never stood a chance Suprised anyone thought he did He gave all of his mojo to Life after all. Jaedong has never had as much mojo as Life. His BW mojo was siiiiiiick *sigh* OF COURSE whenever I say anything negative about JD I am obviously talking about sc2 only His 2013 was pretty siiiick It was okay. The Blizzcon run was miraculous as was the WCS season 2 when he finally learned how to beat protoss but he always got super exposed by better players in the finals I have infinite respect for JD's SC2 career for what he did in ZvP matchup.
By getting bopped by 6 pylons and 3 cannons in front of his natural?
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On March 28 2015 04:58 letian wrote:
I am just sad, there has never been a SC2 tournament where JD showed some hope that he would at least become something in this new game. I honestly wish he retired and went back on streaming on afreeca.
Well Blizzcon 2013 was a close one until the finals. Some really believed he returned to his glory days which was shut down pretty quick. And as for Afreeca streaming I'd doubt he hasn't thought of it at least once but he has too much pride to simply give up and surrender because he isn't playing well. Plus he would never live down Flash laugh at him for giving up on SC2.
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On March 28 2015 04:58 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 04:56 letian wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 KeksX wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 letian wrote:
there is nothing more sad than an aging veteran Heart is like 1 year younger given the legacy that lies on JD's shoulders, I doubt Heart would achieve even a small fraction of it. But considering age, yes, you are right. I just don't think that the age thing is really it, I mean there have been many players very succesful even though they were older, see NesTea. Guy approached his 30s at his dominance.
Bomber is also a recent example.
It's not literal age that goes it.
It's just that as you age more things enter and become part of your Life
More things you care about ,and more things that need your attention practicing is hard and exhausting even when you have coaches with you ,and the freedom to focus only on it.
Jaedong has neither teammates nor coaches to help him with practice nor does he have the luxury he used to have to be able to focus only on the game.
Hence his for is lacking.
Then again according to one of the greatest chess players of all time I am full of shit so take my ramblings with a grain of salt.
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On March 28 2015 04:59 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 04:58 royalroadweed wrote:On March 28 2015 04:55 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 Yorkie wrote:
Heart has superb bio TvZ. JD never stood a chance Suprised anyone thought he did He gave all of his mojo to Life after all. Jaedong has never had as much mojo as Life. His BW mojo was siiiiiiick *sigh* OF COURSE whenever I say anything negative about JD I am obviously talking about sc2 only His 2013 was pretty siiiick It was also also filled with mostly silver. So was soO's 2014 was still an incredible ( and heartbreaking) year
soO's 2014 would probably be #1 if we made a top 10 of the most heartbreaking years for progamers )':
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On March 28 2015 05:00 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 04:59 Musicus wrote:On March 28 2015 04:55 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 Yorkie wrote:
Heart has superb bio TvZ. JD never stood a chance Suprised anyone thought he did He gave all of his mojo to Life after all. Jaedong has never had as much mojo as Life. His BW mojo was siiiiiiick *sigh* OF COURSE whenever I say anything negative about JD I am obviously talking about sc2 only His 2013 was pretty siiiick Indeed it was, and people are alway exaggerating so much when they talk about his 2014. Him winning LSC and WEC never gets mentioned. And then people always say "a few top8s", when he got to the semis of 3 IEMs and 2 DHs. He only really sucked in WCS, which makes sense since he had no time to prepare for matches with all his travel. How much time does it take to prepare for Has? Exactly 30 minutes of Vod watching.
Suppy even warned him about Has I think, but can you really be prepared for that? I don't think there was a vod showing what Has did.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On March 28 2015 05:01 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 04:59 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:58 royalroadweed wrote:On March 28 2015 04:55 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 Yorkie wrote:
Heart has superb bio TvZ. JD never stood a chance Suprised anyone thought he did He gave all of his mojo to Life after all. Jaedong has never had as much mojo as Life. His BW mojo was siiiiiiick *sigh* OF COURSE whenever I say anything negative about JD I am obviously talking about sc2 only His 2013 was pretty siiiick It was also also filled with mostly silver. So was soO's 2014 was still an incredible ( and heartbreaking) year soO's 2014 would probably be #1 if we made a top 10 of the most heartbreaking years for progamers )':
Easily
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On March 28 2015 04:59 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 04:58 letian wrote:
I am just sad, there has never been a SC2 tournament where JD showed some hope that he would at least become something in this new game. I honestly wish he retired and went back on streaming on afreeca. He was the most successful player in 2013 and brought a lot of innovations to the ZvP matchup. Also won with a 6pool in ZvZ.
he was absolutely NOT the most successful player in 2013 LOL. Also he was god awful in ZvP everyone made fun of him for it until like July or August
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On March 28 2015 05:00 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 04:59 OtherWorld wrote:
Okay so JD lost. Did he look terrible? And since I guess that the answer is positive, which level of terrible? Foreigners could beat him
Ouch
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On March 28 2015 05:00 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 04:59 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:58 KeksX wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 letian wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 KeksX wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 letian wrote:
there is nothing more sad than an aging veteran Heart is like 1 year younger given the legacy that lies on JD's shoulders, I doubt Heart would achieve even a small fraction of it. But considering age, yes, you are right. I just don't think that the age thing is really it, I mean there have been many players very succesful even though they were older, see NesTea. Guy approached his 30s at his dominance. Nestea is the only person to have done that in almost any esport. He's an exception of the exceptions. Boxer wasn't exactly young when he was good as well, though.
Boxer was pretty young when he was considered a bonjwa.
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On March 28 2015 05:00 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 04:59 OtherWorld wrote:
Okay so JD lost. Did he look terrible? And since I guess that the answer is positive, which level of terrible? Foreigners could beat him
oh come on it wasn't THAT bad
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I love TargA's use of the Drone supply cancel trick.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On March 28 2015 05:02 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:00 KeksX wrote:On March 28 2015 04:59 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:58 KeksX wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 letian wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 KeksX wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 letian wrote:
there is nothing more sad than an aging veteran Heart is like 1 year younger given the legacy that lies on JD's shoulders, I doubt Heart would achieve even a small fraction of it. But considering age, yes, you are right. I just don't think that the age thing is really it, I mean there have been many players very succesful even though they were older, see NesTea. Guy approached his 30s at his dominance. Nestea is the only person to have done that in almost any esport. He's an exception of the exceptions. Boxer wasn't exactly young when he was good as well, though. Boxer was pretty young when he was considered a bonjwa.
I think he meant in sc2 ? Maybe
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On March 28 2015 05:00 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 04:58 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 Musicus wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 Yorkie wrote:
Heart has superb bio TvZ. JD never stood a chance Suprised anyone thought he did He gave all of his mojo to Life after all. Jaedong has never had as much mojo as Life. I'd actually expect Life to slump if he was given mojo from Jaedong. I'm kinda torn, very happy Jaedong is playing again, but on the other hand the LRs are now back to this... Life is one of the greatest of all time. If Hydra gave his mojo to Jaedong in BW, Id expect Jaedong to slump then too. They are just in different tiers of players. Yeah right now there is no doubt about that I agree. But it kinda feels like nobody sees what Jaedong already did in sc2, when for every other player his achievements would be huge.
Sorry :D
Living up to ones own legacy is harder than you would think it seems.
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On March 28 2015 05:02 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:00 KeksX wrote:On March 28 2015 04:59 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:58 KeksX wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 letian wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 KeksX wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 letian wrote:
there is nothing more sad than an aging veteran Heart is like 1 year younger given the legacy that lies on JD's shoulders, I doubt Heart would achieve even a small fraction of it. But considering age, yes, you are right. I just don't think that the age thing is really it, I mean there have been many players very succesful even though they were older, see NesTea. Guy approached his 30s at his dominance. Nestea is the only person to have done that in almost any esport. He's an exception of the exceptions. Boxer wasn't exactly young when he was good as well, though. Boxer was pretty young when he was considered a bonjwa.
Boxer was like in his early to mid 20s when he really hit his bonjwa level.
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