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On March 28 2015 05:01 IndoKoreanMuslim wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 04:56 Ej_ wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:55 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 Yorkie wrote:
Heart has superb bio TvZ. JD never stood a chance Suprised anyone thought he did He gave all of his mojo to Life after all. Jaedong has never had as much mojo as Life. His BW mojo was siiiiiiick *sigh* OF COURSE whenever I say anything negative about JD I am obviously talking about sc2 only His 2013 was pretty siiiick It was okay. The Blizzcon run was miraculous as was the WCS season 2 when he finally learned how to beat protoss but he always got super exposed by better players in the finals I have infinite respect for JD's SC2 career for what he did in ZvP matchup. By getting bopped by 6 pylons and 3 cannons in front of his natural?
by popularizing 3 hatch before pool, beating Protoss deathball without swarm hosts but with perfect unit composition and control, popularizing mass larva playstyle and inveting the double hydra den timing.
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On March 28 2015 05:03 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:00 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:59 OtherWorld wrote:
Okay so JD lost. Did he look terrible? And since I guess that the answer is positive, which level of terrible? Foreigners could beat him oh come on it wasn't THAT bad
Bunny would have beaten him.
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On March 28 2015 05:03 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:00 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:59 OtherWorld wrote:
Okay so JD lost. Did he look terrible? And since I guess that the answer is positive, which level of terrible? Foreigners could beat him oh come on it wasn't THAT bad
Lol, we foreigners certainly are full of self hate
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On March 28 2015 05:03 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:02 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 05:00 KeksX wrote:On March 28 2015 04:59 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:58 KeksX wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 letian wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 KeksX wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 letian wrote:
there is nothing more sad than an aging veteran Heart is like 1 year younger given the legacy that lies on JD's shoulders, I doubt Heart would achieve even a small fraction of it. But considering age, yes, you are right. I just don't think that the age thing is really it, I mean there have been many players very succesful even though they were older, see NesTea. Guy approached his 30s at his dominance. Nestea is the only person to have done that in almost any esport. He's an exception of the exceptions. Boxer wasn't exactly young when he was good as well, though. Boxer was pretty young when he was considered a bonjwa. Boxer was like in his early to mid 20s when he really hit his bonjwa level.
Nestea was 29 or 30 when he hit his.
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On March 28 2015 05:03 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:03 Alchemik wrote:On March 28 2015 05:00 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:59 OtherWorld wrote:
Okay so JD lost. Did he look terrible? And since I guess that the answer is positive, which level of terrible? Foreigners could beat him oh come on it wasn't THAT bad Bunny would have beaten him.
I'd take maybe Bunny and Marinelord based off recent play but idk how much further I'd go among foreign terrans. I mean at the end of the day it's still foreign terrans... the weakest pool of players in the overall history of sc2
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On March 28 2015 05:02 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 04:59 Ej_ wrote:On March 28 2015 04:58 letian wrote:
I am just sad, there has never been a SC2 tournament where JD showed some hope that he would at least become something in this new game. I honestly wish he retired and went back on streaming on afreeca. He was the most successful player in 2013 and brought a lot of innovations to the ZvP matchup. Also won with a 6pool in ZvZ. he was absolutely NOT the most successful player in 2013 LOL. Also he was god awful in ZvP everyone made fun of him for it until like July or August
6 finals in premier tournaments and 2 more semis. I guess Taeja won more?
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On March 28 2015 05:00 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 04:58 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 Musicus wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 Yorkie wrote:
Heart has superb bio TvZ. JD never stood a chance Suprised anyone thought he did He gave all of his mojo to Life after all. Jaedong has never had as much mojo as Life. I'd actually expect Life to slump if he was given mojo from Jaedong. I'm kinda torn, very happy Jaedong is playing again, but on the other hand the LRs are now back to this... Life is one of the greatest of all time. If Hydra gave his mojo to Jaedong in BW, Id expect Jaedong to slump then too. They are just in different tiers of players. Yeah right now there is no doubt about that I agree. But it kinda feels like nobody sees what Jaedong already did in sc2, when for every other player his achievements would be huge.
He also gets way more fan hype based on his legacy for lesser results than most players in sc2. It goes both ways. That particular fact is why I usually cheer against him
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On March 28 2015 05:03 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:01 IndoKoreanMuslim wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 Ej_ wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:55 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 Yorkie wrote:
Heart has superb bio TvZ. JD never stood a chance Suprised anyone thought he did He gave all of his mojo to Life after all. Jaedong has never had as much mojo as Life. His BW mojo was siiiiiiick *sigh* OF COURSE whenever I say anything negative about JD I am obviously talking about sc2 only His 2013 was pretty siiiick It was okay. The Blizzcon run was miraculous as was the WCS season 2 when he finally learned how to beat protoss but he always got super exposed by better players in the finals I have infinite respect for JD's SC2 career for what he did in ZvP matchup. By getting bopped by 6 pylons and 3 cannons in front of his natural? by popularizing 3 hatch before pool, beating Protoss deathball without swarm hosts but with perfect unit composition and control, popularizing mass larva playstyle and inveting the double hydra den timing.
mass larva style play was nestea. Multiple players other than Jaeodng used unit comps other than Swarmhosts to beat protoss. And a lot of players used 3 hatch before pool. I don't think there is a definitive answer for whose innovations those were.
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On March 28 2015 04:59 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 04:58 letian wrote:
I am just sad, there has never been a SC2 tournament where JD showed some hope that he would at least become something in this new game. I honestly wish he retired and went back on streaming on afreeca. He was the most successful player in 2013 and brought a lot of innovations to the ZvP matchup. Also won with a 6pool in ZvZ.
You're right and yet I think everybody agrees that his fans expected something more.
Same goes to Flash btw.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On March 28 2015 05:05 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:03 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:03 Alchemik wrote:On March 28 2015 05:00 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:59 OtherWorld wrote:
Okay so JD lost. Did he look terrible? And since I guess that the answer is positive, which level of terrible? Foreigners could beat him oh come on it wasn't THAT bad Bunny would have beaten him. I'd take maybe Bunny and Marinelord based off recent play but idk how much further I'd go among foreign terrans. I mean at the end of the day it's still foreign terrans... the weakest pool of players in the overall history of sc2
Maybe MajOr mech I dunno but yeha foreign terrans generally suck
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On March 28 2015 05:05 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:03 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:03 Alchemik wrote:On March 28 2015 05:00 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:59 OtherWorld wrote:
Okay so JD lost. Did he look terrible? And since I guess that the answer is positive, which level of terrible? Foreigners could beat him oh come on it wasn't THAT bad Bunny would have beaten him. I'd take maybe Bunny and Marinelord based off recent play but idk how much further I'd go among foreign terrans. I mean at the end of the day it's still foreign terrans... the weakest pool of players in the overall history of sc2
Weakest in SC2 skill maybe, but not in terms of train power (:
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On March 28 2015 05:05 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:00 Musicus wrote:On March 28 2015 04:58 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 Musicus wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 Yorkie wrote:
Heart has superb bio TvZ. JD never stood a chance Suprised anyone thought he did He gave all of his mojo to Life after all. Jaedong has never had as much mojo as Life. I'd actually expect Life to slump if he was given mojo from Jaedong. I'm kinda torn, very happy Jaedong is playing again, but on the other hand the LRs are now back to this... Life is one of the greatest of all time. If Hydra gave his mojo to Jaedong in BW, Id expect Jaedong to slump then too. They are just in different tiers of players. Yeah right now there is no doubt about that I agree. But it kinda feels like nobody sees what Jaedong already did in sc2, when for every other player his achievements would be huge. He also gets way more fan hype based on his legacy for lesser results than most players in sc2. It goes both ways. That particular fact is why I usually cheer against him
Though I wonder how many of those SC2 Jaedong fans were really watching him in BW or just jumping on the hype wagon, same with Flash.
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On March 28 2015 05:05 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:03 Ej_ wrote:On March 28 2015 05:01 IndoKoreanMuslim wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 Ej_ wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:55 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 HellHound wrote:
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Suprised anyone thought he did He gave all of his mojo to Life after all. Jaedong has never had as much mojo as Life. His BW mojo was siiiiiiick *sigh* OF COURSE whenever I say anything negative about JD I am obviously talking about sc2 only His 2013 was pretty siiiick It was okay. The Blizzcon run was miraculous as was the WCS season 2 when he finally learned how to beat protoss but he always got super exposed by better players in the finals I have infinite respect for JD's SC2 career for what he did in ZvP matchup. By getting bopped by 6 pylons and 3 cannons in front of his natural? by popularizing 3 hatch before pool, beating Protoss deathball without swarm hosts but with perfect unit composition and control, popularizing mass larva playstyle and inveting the double hydra den timing. mass larva style play was nestea. Multiple players other than Jaeodng used unit comps other than Swarmhosts to beat protoss. And a lot of players used 3 hatch before pool. I don't think there is a definitive answer for whose innovations those were.
Let me live in my world where his ZvP was mesmerizing
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On March 28 2015 05:05 stuchiu wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:03 Ej_ wrote:On March 28 2015 05:01 IndoKoreanMuslim wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 Ej_ wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:55 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 HellHound wrote:
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Suprised anyone thought he did He gave all of his mojo to Life after all. Jaedong has never had as much mojo as Life. His BW mojo was siiiiiiick *sigh* OF COURSE whenever I say anything negative about JD I am obviously talking about sc2 only His 2013 was pretty siiiick It was okay. The Blizzcon run was miraculous as was the WCS season 2 when he finally learned how to beat protoss but he always got super exposed by better players in the finals I have infinite respect for JD's SC2 career for what he did in ZvP matchup. By getting bopped by 6 pylons and 3 cannons in front of his natural? by popularizing 3 hatch before pool, beating Protoss deathball without swarm hosts but with perfect unit composition and control, popularizing mass larva playstyle and inveting the double hydra den timing. mass larva style play was nestea. Multiple players other than Jaeodng used unit comps other than Swarmhosts to beat protoss. And a lot of players used 3 hatch before pool. I don't think there is a definitive answer for whose innovations those were.
When in doubt just say Catz
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On March 28 2015 05:00 KeksX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 04:59 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:58 KeksX wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 letian wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 KeksX wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 letian wrote:
there is nothing more sad than an aging veteran Heart is like 1 year younger given the legacy that lies on JD's shoulders, I doubt Heart would achieve even a small fraction of it. But considering age, yes, you are right. I just don't think that the age thing is really it, I mean there have been many players very succesful even though they were older, see NesTea. Guy approached his 30s at his dominance. Nestea is the only person to have done that in almost any esport. He's an exception of the exceptions. Boxer wasn't exactly young when he was good as well, though.
Boxer in SC1? He was 23 or 24. In SC2 he was never that good.
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On March 28 2015 05:01 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:01 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 04:59 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:58 royalroadweed wrote:On March 28 2015 04:55 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 Yorkie wrote:
Heart has superb bio TvZ. JD never stood a chance Suprised anyone thought he did He gave all of his mojo to Life after all. Jaedong has never had as much mojo as Life. His BW mojo was siiiiiiick *sigh* OF COURSE whenever I say anything negative about JD I am obviously talking about sc2 only His 2013 was pretty siiiick It was also also filled with mostly silver. So was soO's 2014 was still an incredible ( and heartbreaking) year soO's 2014 would probably be #1 if we made a top 10 of the most heartbreaking years for progamers )': Easily
What about the year NaDa's father died and he started slumping? Its doesn't get much worse than that.
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On March 28 2015 05:06 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:05 Shellshock wrote:On March 28 2015 05:03 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:03 Alchemik wrote:On March 28 2015 05:00 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:59 OtherWorld wrote:
Okay so JD lost. Did he look terrible? And since I guess that the answer is positive, which level of terrible? Foreigners could beat him oh come on it wasn't THAT bad Bunny would have beaten him. I'd take maybe Bunny and Marinelord based off recent play but idk how much further I'd go among foreign terrans. I mean at the end of the day it's still foreign terrans... the weakest pool of players in the overall history of sc2 Maybe MajOr mech I dunno but yeha foreign terrans generally suck
oh yeah forgot about Major haven't seen too much of him lately
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On March 28 2015 05:06 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:05 Shellshock wrote:On March 28 2015 05:03 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:03 Alchemik wrote:On March 28 2015 05:00 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 04:59 OtherWorld wrote:
Okay so JD lost. Did he look terrible? And since I guess that the answer is positive, which level of terrible? Foreigners could beat him oh come on it wasn't THAT bad Bunny would have beaten him. I'd take maybe Bunny and Marinelord based off recent play but idk how much further I'd go among foreign terrans. I mean at the end of the day it's still foreign terrans... the weakest pool of players in the overall history of sc2 Maybe MajOr mech I dunno but yeha foreign terrans generally suck
not atm
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On March 28 2015 05:05 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:00 Musicus wrote:On March 28 2015 04:58 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 Musicus wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 Yorkie wrote:
Heart has superb bio TvZ. JD never stood a chance Suprised anyone thought he did He gave all of his mojo to Life after all. Jaedong has never had as much mojo as Life. I'd actually expect Life to slump if he was given mojo from Jaedong. I'm kinda torn, very happy Jaedong is playing again, but on the other hand the LRs are now back to this... Life is one of the greatest of all time. If Hydra gave his mojo to Jaedong in BW, Id expect Jaedong to slump then too. They are just in different tiers of players. Yeah right now there is no doubt about that I agree. But it kinda feels like nobody sees what Jaedong already did in sc2, when for every other player his achievements would be huge. He also gets way more fan hype based on his legacy for lesser results than most players in sc2. It goes both ways. That particular fact is why I usually cheer against him
It kind of weirds me out that your feelings for a player are affected by his fans haha
I am extremely indiffrent towards Jaedong btw he is before my time.
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On March 28 2015 05:06 TheAnarchy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:00 KeksX wrote:On March 28 2015 04:59 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:58 KeksX wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 letian wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 KeksX wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 letian wrote:
there is nothing more sad than an aging veteran Heart is like 1 year younger given the legacy that lies on JD's shoulders, I doubt Heart would achieve even a small fraction of it. But considering age, yes, you are right. I just don't think that the age thing is really it, I mean there have been many players very succesful even though they were older, see NesTea. Guy approached his 30s at his dominance. Nestea is the only person to have done that in almost any esport. He's an exception of the exceptions. Boxer wasn't exactly young when he was good as well, though. Boxer in SC1? He was 23 or 24. In SC2 he was never that good.
Blasphemy. BoxeR made a ro4 in GSL
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