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On March 28 2015 05:23 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:23 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:On March 28 2015 05:20 Boucot wrote:On March 28 2015 05:17 Shellshock wrote:On March 28 2015 05:17 Alchemik wrote:On March 28 2015 05:16 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:
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Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had I will dispute that claim till my dying day How though? To me it looks like claiming that Mvp isn't the greatest innovator Terran ever had. This has to be swag_bro's alt account right? Main* Nah but I mean, can you name without bias another Zerg who changed the meta all by himself in two MUs? Who found the way to be successful mostly via strats and not via stellar macro like soO or micro like Life in a time where Zergs were weak? well, you have to remember though how stellar Stephano's micro was Stephano was one of the best at setting up engagements to go along with your point That's why Polt vs Stephano matches were so good. That game on Metalopolis. I want Polt vs Stephano back TT best rivalry in 2012
MKP vs DRG was just as good.
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
I actually don't see Flash hype or hate recently. More like pity and sparks of hope
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On March 28 2015 05:23 letian wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:16 Shellshock wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 royalroadweed wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 Penev wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:11 Penev wrote:On March 28 2015 05:10 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:07 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 05:05 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:00 Musicus wrote:
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Yeah right now there is no doubt about that I agree. But it kinda feels like nobody sees what Jaedong already did in sc2, when for every other player his achievements would be huge. He also gets way more fan hype based on his legacy for lesser results than most players in sc2. It goes both ways. That particular fact is why I usually cheer against him It kind of weirds me out that your feelings for a player are affected by his fans haha I am extremely indiffrent towards Jaedong btw he is before my time. He wins a game: "THE TYRANT IS BACK FGHSUAJKLJ" He loses a game: "I hope his condition is okay the tyrant shall return he must be tired etc" It goes on and on and gets annoying. Leenock for example has done way more in sc2 but gets not nearly the credit Still not JD's fault though mhmm...which is why I don't hate him as a person, I just want him to lose so I don't have to read the overhyped tyrant is back messages with dancing sheep How do you feel about Flash? Flash has waaay more anti fans. Yeah I agree. It never really felt like Flash had that many fans beside the very beginning when he first switched just because of the hype. There are plenty of other players with bigger and louder fan bases these days but Flash still gets a lot of hate Hate out of ignorance, that is what it is. People just don't want to know anything about the history of the game. For me, as a bw fan, it is always sad, if they only knew they would understand.
lol
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United States97277 Posts
On March 28 2015 05:20 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:19 Shellshock wrote:
Targa going for double roach warren for a timing or accident? never seen double roach warren in ZvZ not being an accident
there was a small period in 2011 or 2012 maybe where you saw the occasional speed burrow movement double research but even that might have all been off the backs off accidents
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On March 28 2015 05:23 letian wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:16 Shellshock wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 royalroadweed wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 Penev wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:11 Penev wrote:On March 28 2015 05:10 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:07 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 05:05 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:00 Musicus wrote:
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Yeah right now there is no doubt about that I agree. But it kinda feels like nobody sees what Jaedong already did in sc2, when for every other player his achievements would be huge. He also gets way more fan hype based on his legacy for lesser results than most players in sc2. It goes both ways. That particular fact is why I usually cheer against him It kind of weirds me out that your feelings for a player are affected by his fans haha I am extremely indiffrent towards Jaedong btw he is before my time. He wins a game: "THE TYRANT IS BACK FGHSUAJKLJ" He loses a game: "I hope his condition is okay the tyrant shall return he must be tired etc" It goes on and on and gets annoying. Leenock for example has done way more in sc2 but gets not nearly the credit Still not JD's fault though mhmm...which is why I don't hate him as a person, I just want him to lose so I don't have to read the overhyped tyrant is back messages with dancing sheep How do you feel about Flash? Flash has waaay more anti fans. Yeah I agree. It never really felt like Flash had that many fans beside the very beginning when he first switched just because of the hype. There are plenty of other players with bigger and louder fan bases these days but Flash still gets a lot of hate Hate out of ignorance, that is what it is. People just don't want to know anything about the history of the game. For me, as a bw fan, it is always sad, if they only knew they would understand.
If they knew he was really good in another game they'd cheer for him now? Success breeds fans, but it also breeds resentment if you dominate for so long and that resentment comes out as anti fans when you aren't nearly as good in the future, as he is now in sc2.
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On March 28 2015 05:24 Heartland wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:23 letian wrote:On March 28 2015 05:16 Shellshock wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 royalroadweed wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 Penev wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:11 Penev wrote:On March 28 2015 05:10 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:07 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 05:05 Yorkie wrote:
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He also gets way more fan hype based on his legacy for lesser results than most players in sc2. It goes both ways. That particular fact is why I usually cheer against him It kind of weirds me out that your feelings for a player are affected by his fans haha I am extremely indiffrent towards Jaedong btw he is before my time. He wins a game: "THE TYRANT IS BACK FGHSUAJKLJ" He loses a game: "I hope his condition is okay the tyrant shall return he must be tired etc" It goes on and on and gets annoying. Leenock for example has done way more in sc2 but gets not nearly the credit Still not JD's fault though mhmm...which is why I don't hate him as a person, I just want him to lose so I don't have to read the overhyped tyrant is back messages with dancing sheep How do you feel about Flash? Flash has waaay more anti fans. Yeah I agree. It never really felt like Flash had that many fans beside the very beginning when he first switched just because of the hype. There are plenty of other players with bigger and louder fan bases these days but Flash still gets a lot of hate Hate out of ignorance, that is what it is. People just don't want to know anything about the history of the game. For me, as a bw fan, it is always sad, if they only knew they would understand. Yeah, because no-one disliked Flash in BW..
he was like avilo but a progamer
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United Kingdom31935 Posts
On March 28 2015 05:24 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:23 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:23 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:On March 28 2015 05:20 Boucot wrote:On March 28 2015 05:17 Shellshock wrote:On March 28 2015 05:17 Alchemik wrote:On March 28 2015 05:16 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 GumBa wrote:
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I will dispute that claim till my dying day How though? To me it looks like claiming that Mvp isn't the greatest innovator Terran ever had. This has to be swag_bro's alt account right? Main* Nah but I mean, can you name without bias another Zerg who changed the meta all by himself in two MUs? Who found the way to be successful mostly via strats and not via stellar macro like soO or micro like Life in a time where Zergs were weak? well, you have to remember though how stellar Stephano's micro was Stephano was one of the best at setting up engagements to go along with your point That's why Polt vs Stephano matches were so good. That game on Metalopolis. I want Polt vs Stephano back TT best rivalry in 2012 MKP vs DRG was just as good.
Polt vs Stephano was over a longer time span though. MKP vs DRG was sick though.
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On March 28 2015 05:24 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:20 Ej_ wrote:On March 28 2015 05:19 Shellshock wrote:
Targa going for double roach warren for a timing or accident? never seen double roach warren in ZvZ not being an accident there was a small period in 2011 or 2012 maybe where you saw the occasional speed burrow movement double research but even that might have all been off the backs off accidents
Leenock did a build like that but it was ZvT.
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On March 28 2015 05:25 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:24 Heartland wrote:On March 28 2015 05:23 letian wrote:On March 28 2015 05:16 Shellshock wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 royalroadweed wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 Penev wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:11 Penev wrote:On March 28 2015 05:10 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:07 HellHound wrote:
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It kind of weirds me out that your feelings for a player are affected by his fans haha
I am extremely indiffrent towards Jaedong btw he is before my time. He wins a game: "THE TYRANT IS BACK FGHSUAJKLJ" He loses a game: "I hope his condition is okay the tyrant shall return he must be tired etc" It goes on and on and gets annoying. Leenock for example has done way more in sc2 but gets not nearly the credit Still not JD's fault though mhmm...which is why I don't hate him as a person, I just want him to lose so I don't have to read the overhyped tyrant is back messages with dancing sheep How do you feel about Flash? Flash has waaay more anti fans. Yeah I agree. It never really felt like Flash had that many fans beside the very beginning when he first switched just because of the hype. There are plenty of other players with bigger and louder fan bases these days but Flash still gets a lot of hate Hate out of ignorance, that is what it is. People just don't want to know anything about the history of the game. For me, as a bw fan, it is always sad, if they only knew they would understand. Yeah, because no-one disliked Flash in BW.. he was like avilo but a progamer
His reputation as Cheddar Terran and "always goes 14 CC" didn't help.
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United States97277 Posts
On March 28 2015 05:24 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:23 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:23 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:On March 28 2015 05:20 Boucot wrote:On March 28 2015 05:17 Shellshock wrote:On March 28 2015 05:17 Alchemik wrote:On March 28 2015 05:16 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 GumBa wrote:
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I will dispute that claim till my dying day How though? To me it looks like claiming that Mvp isn't the greatest innovator Terran ever had. This has to be swag_bro's alt account right? Main* Nah but I mean, can you name without bias another Zerg who changed the meta all by himself in two MUs? Who found the way to be successful mostly via strats and not via stellar macro like soO or micro like Life in a time where Zergs were weak? well, you have to remember though how stellar Stephano's micro was Stephano was one of the best at setting up engagements to go along with your point That's why Polt vs Stephano matches were so good. That game on Metalopolis. I want Polt vs Stephano back TT best rivalry in 2012 MKP vs DRG was just as good.
it was so short though since MKP fell off a cliff around April with the queen patch + never adapting his playstyle so everyone just roach baned him for free wins
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Wow, those roaches are blue oO
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On March 28 2015 05:25 DJHelium wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:24 Shellshock wrote:On March 28 2015 05:20 Ej_ wrote:On March 28 2015 05:19 Shellshock wrote:
Targa going for double roach warren for a timing or accident? never seen double roach warren in ZvZ not being an accident there was a small period in 2011 or 2012 maybe where you saw the occasional speed burrow movement double research but even that might have all been off the backs off accidents Leenock did a build like that but it was ZvT.
he did that build at least twice
won both games eventually
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On March 28 2015 05:25 GumBa wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:24 royalroadweed wrote:On March 28 2015 05:23 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:23 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:On March 28 2015 05:20 Boucot wrote:On March 28 2015 05:17 Shellshock wrote:On March 28 2015 05:17 Alchemik wrote:On March 28 2015 05:16 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 OtherWorld wrote:
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How though? To me it looks like claiming that Mvp isn't the greatest innovator Terran ever had. This has to be swag_bro's alt account right? Main* Nah but I mean, can you name without bias another Zerg who changed the meta all by himself in two MUs? Who found the way to be successful mostly via strats and not via stellar macro like soO or micro like Life in a time where Zergs were weak? well, you have to remember though how stellar Stephano's micro was Stephano was one of the best at setting up engagements to go along with your point That's why Polt vs Stephano matches were so good. That game on Metalopolis. I want Polt vs Stephano back TT best rivalry in 2012 MKP vs DRG was just as good. Polt vs Stephano was over a longer time span though. MKP vs DRG was sick though.
MKP vs DRG had the added bonus of being the two best players in the world at the time going at it back and forth in consecutive tournaments
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On March 28 2015 05:25 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:25 Ej_ wrote:On March 28 2015 05:24 Heartland wrote:On March 28 2015 05:23 letian wrote:On March 28 2015 05:16 Shellshock wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 royalroadweed wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 Penev wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:11 Penev wrote:On March 28 2015 05:10 Yorkie wrote:
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He wins a game: "THE TYRANT IS BACK FGHSUAJKLJ"
He loses a game: "I hope his condition is okay the tyrant shall return he must be tired etc"
It goes on and on and gets annoying. Leenock for example has done way more in sc2 but gets not nearly the credit Still not JD's fault though mhmm...which is why I don't hate him as a person, I just want him to lose so I don't have to read the overhyped tyrant is back messages with dancing sheep How do you feel about Flash? Flash has waaay more anti fans. Yeah I agree. It never really felt like Flash had that many fans beside the very beginning when he first switched just because of the hype. There are plenty of other players with bigger and louder fan bases these days but Flash still gets a lot of hate Hate out of ignorance, that is what it is. People just don't want to know anything about the history of the game. For me, as a bw fan, it is always sad, if they only knew they would understand. Yeah, because no-one disliked Flash in BW.. he was like avilo but a progamer His reputation as Cheddar Terran and "always goes 14 CC" didn't help.
robotic play, the whole skt vs kt thing, etc etc.
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On March 28 2015 05:25 Penev wrote:
Wow, those roaches are blue oO
stronger team colors is the best thing to happen to zvz since the spore overkill buff
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On March 28 2015 05:26 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:25 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:24 royalroadweed wrote:On March 28 2015 05:23 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:23 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:On March 28 2015 05:20 Boucot wrote:On March 28 2015 05:17 Shellshock wrote:On March 28 2015 05:17 Alchemik wrote:On March 28 2015 05:16 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 Yorkie wrote:
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This has to be swag_bro's alt account right? Main* Nah but I mean, can you name without bias another Zerg who changed the meta all by himself in two MUs? Who found the way to be successful mostly via strats and not via stellar macro like soO or micro like Life in a time where Zergs were weak? well, you have to remember though how stellar Stephano's micro was Stephano was one of the best at setting up engagements to go along with your point That's why Polt vs Stephano matches were so good. That game on Metalopolis. I want Polt vs Stephano back TT best rivalry in 2012 MKP vs DRG was just as good. Polt vs Stephano was over a longer time span though. MKP vs DRG was sick though. MKP vs DRG had the added bonus of being the two best players in the world at the time going at it back and forth in consecutive tournaments
Polt vs Stephano had the Foreigner vs Korean edge as well and was incredibly close. We can agree both were good though
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On March 28 2015 05:25 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:24 royalroadweed wrote:On March 28 2015 05:23 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:23 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:On March 28 2015 05:20 Boucot wrote:On March 28 2015 05:17 Shellshock wrote:On March 28 2015 05:17 Alchemik wrote:On March 28 2015 05:16 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 OtherWorld wrote:
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How though? To me it looks like claiming that Mvp isn't the greatest innovator Terran ever had. This has to be swag_bro's alt account right? Main* Nah but I mean, can you name without bias another Zerg who changed the meta all by himself in two MUs? Who found the way to be successful mostly via strats and not via stellar macro like soO or micro like Life in a time where Zergs were weak? well, you have to remember though how stellar Stephano's micro was Stephano was one of the best at setting up engagements to go along with your point That's why Polt vs Stephano matches were so good. That game on Metalopolis. I want Polt vs Stephano back TT best rivalry in 2012 MKP vs DRG was just as good. it was so short though since MKP fell off a cliff around April with the queen patch + never adapting his playstyle so everyone just roach baned him for free wins
He still did well in MLG summer being knocked out by a protoss so no queen patch excuse
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ok my next series in the tour is vs Arthur, hope Targa wins with doulbe warren
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
MMA vs DRG was shorter, but better than MKP vs DRG.
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where is that mondragon quote?!
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