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Well i wont discuss anymore with you Gumba I like you and we both now Savior was the best Sc1 player ever
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On March 28 2015 05:17 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:17 Alchemik wrote:On March 28 2015 05:16 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had I will dispute that claim till my dying day How though? To me it looks like claiming that Mvp isn't the greatest innovator Terran ever had. This has to be swag_bro's alt account right? Main* Nah but I mean, can you name without bias another Zerg who changed the meta all by himself in two MUs? Who found the way to be successful mostly via strats and not via stellar macro like soO or micro like Life in a time where Zergs were weak? well, you have to remember though how stellar Stephano's micro was Stephano was one of the best at setting up engagements to go along with your point
That's why Polt vs Stephano matches were so good.
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On March 28 2015 05:20 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:19 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:16 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had I will dispute that claim till my dying day How though? To me it looks like claiming that Mvp isn't the greatest innovator Terran ever had. This has to be swag_bro's alt account right? Main* Nah but I mean, can you name without bias another Zerg who changed the meta all by himself in two MUs? Who found the way to be successful mostly via strats and not via stellar macro like soO or micro like Life in a time where Zergs were weak? Life was the only zerg to play aggressive during BL/infestor era. Nestea literally invented modern heavy eco zerg. Stephano built a lot of roaches because at the time protoss was taking very fast thirds all the time You're forgetting about the TSL Zergs.
That Antiga game where Hyun refused to go BL/infestor vs MaNa and just dropped roaches
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On March 28 2015 05:20 Solar424 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:16 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had I will dispute that claim till my dying day How though? To me it looks like claiming that Mvp isn't the greatest innovator Terran ever had. This has to be swag_bro's alt account right? Main* Nah but I mean, can you name without bias another Zerg who changed the meta all by himself in two MUs? Who found the way to be successful mostly via strats and not via stellar macro like soO or micro like Life in a time where Zergs were weak? Whoever invented BL/Infestor
Probably Stephano.
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On March 28 2015 05:16 Musicus wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:05 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:00 Musicus wrote:On March 28 2015 04:58 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:56 Musicus wrote:On March 28 2015 04:54 stuchiu wrote:On March 28 2015 04:53 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 04:52 Yorkie wrote:
Heart has superb bio TvZ. JD never stood a chance Suprised anyone thought he did He gave all of his mojo to Life after all. Jaedong has never had as much mojo as Life. I'd actually expect Life to slump if he was given mojo from Jaedong. I'm kinda torn, very happy Jaedong is playing again, but on the other hand the LRs are now back to this... Life is one of the greatest of all time. If Hydra gave his mojo to Jaedong in BW, Id expect Jaedong to slump then too. They are just in different tiers of players. Yeah right now there is no doubt about that I agree. But it kinda feels like nobody sees what Jaedong already did in sc2, when for every other player his achievements would be huge. He also gets way more fan hype based on his legacy for lesser results than most players in sc2. It goes both ways. That particular fact is why I usually cheer against him I don't really understand how you can cheer against someone, because the casters/fans hype him too much. If he was a dick or cheater or whatever ok, but cheering against somebody with his personality/attitude is somewhat extreme imo. I don't think he deserves that because you think his fans are annoying. Well but we had this conversation before I think  . No biggie and I just hope Jaedong shows solidd games tomorrow! Btw I only saw Jaedong play SC:BW once at WCG 2008/9 which I was watching for wc3, before I really started following sc with sc2. So I am a Jaedong fan because of sc2 mainly, not just because of his BW past. Of course I watched tons of Jaedong BW vods since then, but I wouldn't have done that if he hadn't won me over in sc2. Stories need villains.
Ones Hero can be another villains.
It's just a way to make it more fun in the end as is cheering for someone.
I Don't cheer against Solar I cheer for whomever solar is Playing against :D
Solar is a cool dude IRL otherwise.
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On March 28 2015 05:20 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:19 Shellshock wrote:
Targa going for double roach warren for a timing or accident? never seen double roach warren in ZvZ not being an accident
Targa confirmed #1 innovater for Zerg. Double warren for double the roach fun
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On March 28 2015 05:19 Alchemik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:19 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:16 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had I will dispute that claim till my dying day How though? To me it looks like claiming that Mvp isn't the greatest innovator Terran ever had. This has to be swag_bro's alt account right? Main* Nah but I mean, can you name without bias another Zerg who changed the meta all by himself in two MUs? Who found the way to be successful mostly via strats and not via stellar macro like soO or micro like Life in a time where Zergs were weak? Life was the only zerg to play aggressive during BL/infestor era. Nestea literally invented modern heavy eco zerg. Stephano built a lot of roaches because at the time protoss was taking very fast thirds all the time do you really think that this is all Stephano did
No I just think the criteria for this discussion of "Name zerg players who changed the meta not by being good players but by doing the same thing over and over until other people copied you" is dumb. "Who found the way to be successful mostly via strats and not via stellar macro like soO or micro like Life" is so limiting it's not even funny
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On March 28 2015 05:19 Yorkie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:16 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had I will dispute that claim till my dying day How though? To me it looks like claiming that Mvp isn't the greatest innovator Terran ever had. This has to be swag_bro's alt account right? Main* Nah but I mean, can you name without bias another Zerg who changed the meta all by himself in two MUs? Who found the way to be successful mostly via strats and not via stellar macro like soO or micro like Life in a time where Zergs were weak? Life was the only zerg to play aggressive during BL/infestor era. Nestea literally invented modern heavy eco zerg. Stephano built a lot of roaches because at the time protoss was taking very fast thirds all the time
Saying that Stephano 'built a lot of roaches' is like saying that INnoVation 'built a lot of hellbats' or Rain 'a lot of Colossi'. That's a gross oversimplification that can be made with any player to make him look bad.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On March 28 2015 05:20 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:19 royalroadweed wrote:On March 28 2015 05:16 Ej_ wrote:On March 28 2015 05:16 Shellshock wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 royalroadweed wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 Penev wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:11 Penev wrote:On March 28 2015 05:10 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:07 HellHound wrote:
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It kind of weirds me out that your feelings for a player are affected by his fans haha
I am extremely indiffrent towards Jaedong btw he is before my time. He wins a game: "THE TYRANT IS BACK FGHSUAJKLJ" He loses a game: "I hope his condition is okay the tyrant shall return he must be tired etc" It goes on and on and gets annoying. Leenock for example has done way more in sc2 but gets not nearly the credit Still not JD's fault though mhmm...which is why I don't hate him as a person, I just want him to lose so I don't have to read the overhyped tyrant is back messages with dancing sheep How do you feel about Flash? Flash has waaay more anti fans. Yeah I agree. It never really felt like Flash had that many fans beside the very beginning when he first switched just because of the hype. There are plenty of other players with bigger and louder fan bases these days but Flash still gets a lot of hate IEM Toronto MC 2-1 Flash never seen so much salt Look at the LR. It also has significant amounts of anti fans gloating. never have I felt as much as stuchiu as I did then
Injustice never dies
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On March 28 2015 05:21 Ej_ wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:20 royalroadweed wrote:On March 28 2015 05:19 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:16 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had I will dispute that claim till my dying day How though? To me it looks like claiming that Mvp isn't the greatest innovator Terran ever had. This has to be swag_bro's alt account right? Main* Nah but I mean, can you name without bias another Zerg who changed the meta all by himself in two MUs? Who found the way to be successful mostly via strats and not via stellar macro like soO or micro like Life in a time where Zergs were weak? Life was the only zerg to play aggressive during BL/infestor era. Nestea literally invented modern heavy eco zerg. Stephano built a lot of roaches because at the time protoss was taking very fast thirds all the time You're forgetting about the TSL Zergs. That Antiga game where Hyun refused to go BL/infestor vs MaNa and just dropped roaches
HyuN just wanted to play BW drops again. I miss drops for Zerg they are so obsolete in SC2 now with warp-ins.
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On March 28 2015 05:21 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:19 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:16 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had I will dispute that claim till my dying day How though? To me it looks like claiming that Mvp isn't the greatest innovator Terran ever had. This has to be swag_bro's alt account right? Main* Nah but I mean, can you name without bias another Zerg who changed the meta all by himself in two MUs? Who found the way to be successful mostly via strats and not via stellar macro like soO or micro like Life in a time where Zergs were weak? Life was the only zerg to play aggressive during BL/infestor era. Nestea literally invented modern heavy eco zerg. Stephano built a lot of roaches because at the time protoss was taking very fast thirds all the time Saying that Stephano 'built a lot of roaches' is like saying that INnoVation 'built a lot of hellbats' or Rain 'a lot of Colossi'. That's a gross oversimplification that can be made with any player to make him look bad.
well he won his first premier by building a lot of hellbats didn't he
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Stephano also helped develop the Archon Toilet
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On March 28 2015 05:21 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:20 Solar424 wrote:On March 28 2015 05:16 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had I will dispute that claim till my dying day How though? To me it looks like claiming that Mvp isn't the greatest innovator Terran ever had. This has to be swag_bro's alt account right? Main* Nah but I mean, can you name without bias another Zerg who changed the meta all by himself in two MUs? Who found the way to be successful mostly via strats and not via stellar macro like soO or micro like Life in a time where Zergs were weak? Whoever invented BL/Infestor Probably Stephano.
yea Stephano invented it first, I even have a vod to prove it.
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On March 28 2015 05:20 TheAnarchy wrote:
Well i wont discuss anymore with you Gumba I like you and we both now Savior was the best Sc1 player ever
Disputable but ok He was the God of the Battlefied though, And a douche
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On March 28 2015 05:22 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:21 Ej_ wrote:On March 28 2015 05:20 royalroadweed wrote:On March 28 2015 05:19 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:16 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had I will dispute that claim till my dying day How though? To me it looks like claiming that Mvp isn't the greatest innovator Terran ever had. This has to be swag_bro's alt account right? Main* Nah but I mean, can you name without bias another Zerg who changed the meta all by himself in two MUs? Who found the way to be successful mostly via strats and not via stellar macro like soO or micro like Life in a time where Zergs were weak? Life was the only zerg to play aggressive during BL/infestor era. Nestea literally invented modern heavy eco zerg. Stephano built a lot of roaches because at the time protoss was taking very fast thirds all the time You're forgetting about the TSL Zergs. That Antiga game where Hyun refused to go BL/infestor vs MaNa and just dropped roaches HyuN just wanted to play BW drops again. I miss drops for Zerg they are so obsolete in SC2 now with warp-ins.
truer words have never be spoken
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On March 28 2015 05:20 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:17 Shellshock wrote:On March 28 2015 05:17 Alchemik wrote:On March 28 2015 05:16 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had I will dispute that claim till my dying day How though? To me it looks like claiming that Mvp isn't the greatest innovator Terran ever had. This has to be swag_bro's alt account right? Main* Nah but I mean, can you name without bias another Zerg who changed the meta all by himself in two MUs? Who found the way to be successful mostly via strats and not via stellar macro like soO or micro like Life in a time where Zergs were weak? well, you have to remember though how stellar Stephano's micro was Stephano was one of the best at setting up engagements to go along with your point That's why Polt vs Stephano matches were so good.
That game on Metalopolis.
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On March 28 2015 05:23 PepsiMaxxxx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:20 Boucot wrote:On March 28 2015 05:17 Shellshock wrote:On March 28 2015 05:17 Alchemik wrote:On March 28 2015 05:16 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 GumBa wrote:On March 28 2015 05:09 OtherWorld wrote:On March 28 2015 05:08 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Three Hatch before Pool is an adaptation of an old BW strat anyways, but Jaedong was not the first person to use it in SC2. Stephano and DRG did it before Jaedong if I remember correctly. Stephano, the greatest innovator Zerg ever had I will dispute that claim till my dying day How though? To me it looks like claiming that Mvp isn't the greatest innovator Terran ever had. This has to be swag_bro's alt account right? Main* Nah but I mean, can you name without bias another Zerg who changed the meta all by himself in two MUs? Who found the way to be successful mostly via strats and not via stellar macro like soO or micro like Life in a time where Zergs were weak? well, you have to remember though how stellar Stephano's micro was Stephano was one of the best at setting up engagements to go along with your point That's why Polt vs Stephano matches were so good. That game on Metalopolis.
I want Polt vs Stephano back TT best rivalry in 2012
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On March 28 2015 05:16 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:14 royalroadweed wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 Penev wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:11 Penev wrote:On March 28 2015 05:10 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:07 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 05:05 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:00 Musicus wrote:On March 28 2015 04:58 stuchiu wrote:
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Life is one of the greatest of all time. If Hydra gave his mojo to Jaedong in BW, Id expect Jaedong to slump then too. They are just in different tiers of players. Yeah right now there is no doubt about that I agree. But it kinda feels like nobody sees what Jaedong already did in sc2, when for every other player his achievements would be huge. He also gets way more fan hype based on his legacy for lesser results than most players in sc2. It goes both ways. That particular fact is why I usually cheer against him It kind of weirds me out that your feelings for a player are affected by his fans haha I am extremely indiffrent towards Jaedong btw he is before my time. He wins a game: "THE TYRANT IS BACK FGHSUAJKLJ" He loses a game: "I hope his condition is okay the tyrant shall return he must be tired etc" It goes on and on and gets annoying. Leenock for example has done way more in sc2 but gets not nearly the credit Still not JD's fault though mhmm...which is why I don't hate him as a person, I just want him to lose so I don't have to read the overhyped tyrant is back messages with dancing sheep How do you feel about Flash? Flash has waaay more anti fans. Yeah I agree. It never really felt like Flash had that many fans beside the very beginning when he first switched just because of the hype. There are plenty of other players with bigger and louder fan bases these days but Flash still gets a lot of hate
Hate out of ignorance, that is what it is.
People just don't want to know anything about the history of the game. For me, as a bw fan, it is always sad, if they only knew they would understand.
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I was never a fan of TargA because there was not much "finesse" in his game.
But on the other hand, this game.
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On March 28 2015 05:23 letian wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2015 05:16 Shellshock wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 royalroadweed wrote:On March 28 2015 05:14 Penev wrote:On March 28 2015 05:12 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:11 Penev wrote:On March 28 2015 05:10 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:07 HellHound wrote:On March 28 2015 05:05 Yorkie wrote:On March 28 2015 05:00 Musicus wrote:
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Yeah right now there is no doubt about that I agree. But it kinda feels like nobody sees what Jaedong already did in sc2, when for every other player his achievements would be huge. He also gets way more fan hype based on his legacy for lesser results than most players in sc2. It goes both ways. That particular fact is why I usually cheer against him It kind of weirds me out that your feelings for a player are affected by his fans haha I am extremely indiffrent towards Jaedong btw he is before my time. He wins a game: "THE TYRANT IS BACK FGHSUAJKLJ" He loses a game: "I hope his condition is okay the tyrant shall return he must be tired etc" It goes on and on and gets annoying. Leenock for example has done way more in sc2 but gets not nearly the credit Still not JD's fault though mhmm...which is why I don't hate him as a person, I just want him to lose so I don't have to read the overhyped tyrant is back messages with dancing sheep How do you feel about Flash? Flash has waaay more anti fans. Yeah I agree. It never really felt like Flash had that many fans beside the very beginning when he first switched just because of the hype. There are plenty of other players with bigger and louder fan bases these days but Flash still gets a lot of hate Hate out of ignorance, that is what it is. People just don't want to know anything about the history of the game. For me, as a bw fan, it is always sad, if they only knew they would understand.
Yeah, because no-one disliked Flash in BW..
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