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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
January 16 2015 17:45 GMT
#721
On January 17 2015 02:39 stuchiu wrote:
Also, Taeja

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Someone already posted it I think
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stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
January 16 2015 17:46 GMT
#722
Good work whoever posted it before me.
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Samx
Profile Joined August 2013
Singapore149 Posts
January 16 2015 17:49 GMT
#723
Some are calling soo out based on him not making nssl and gsl. But that's the thing, the qualifiers for both is a marathon of matches against different player. It's like a weekend tournament.

In fact, I think soo is the polar opposite of Taeja. He excels at long best of formats when he has time to prepare for his opponents (except when it's the finals). Whereas Taeja comes up short when opponent had time to prepare against him. Remember pigbaby? If terminator and pigbaby were to meet Taeja in group stage of DH. The game will not be even close. Taeja will rolfstomp over them on his way to another 10k cheque. But when opponents had time to dissect his play, and dictate the series, they can get an upset win fairly easily.
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andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
January 16 2015 17:51 GMT
#724
On January 17 2015 01:51 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2015 01:16 ANLProbe wrote:
On January 17 2015 01:11 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote:
On January 17 2015 00:47 Homunculus159 wrote:
On January 17 2015 00:30 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote:
Taeja will never, ever win a GSL (especially nowadays due KESPA players). That's not even hard to understanding...just look at the history...has he ever won a GSL? nope...LOL. And back then there were far easier korean players to compete against.

Here are two simple reasons blind fans think he is the best player (haha, that is funny):
1) He goes to and wins so many international tournaments (whoopie doo, barely any pro koreans there)
2) He does well in random games and non-preparation matches (he gets wrecked in preparation matches...SSL & GSLs)

I'm definitely not surprised he is the loser in this group. No hate on Taeja here but his blinded fans sure fell for the TeamLiquid Hype. I wouldn't be surprised if TeamLiquid will write an article to come up with excuses for Taeja's loss.

GSL is for the big boys...today Taeja proved he doesn't belong in Code S. I'd say he is Code A level but he will also need to prove he belongs there (just like any other korean pros). No hate on Taeja here...just giving a big wake up slap to his blinded fans for falling for the TeamLiquid hype.



Oh please. Two of the best Kespa Players from last year did not even make it to Code S or to challenger in SSL.
Everyone knows Taeja is not good when it comes to preparation matches. Skillwise he is one of THE best. Kespa Koreans tried playing weekend tournaments and most of them failed. Sure they do not play many, but when they do they are not really great.

Sure Taeja sometimes is overhyped but his doubters downplay his talent way too much too. If it would have been that easy for Kespa Koreans why didn´t Innovation win every weekend tournament he attended even though he was doing very well in Korea. Hell at the Dreamhack Finals in Bucharest he got beaten by Taeja.
soO lost to Taeja. Fucking Zest lost to Taeja. He won vs sOs and beat Life many times.
When it comes to Skill Taeja BELONGS into Code S. Him losing today does not really say too much because like I said two of the biggest names one of them actually winning Code S season 1 last year and the other being in 4 GSL finals in a row didnt even make the qualifers

Taeja on form can beat anyone. Is he the best sc2 player ever? No. Maybe we could start arguing about who is the best Sc2 Player when SC3 comes out.



Oh please.If you're not good in preparation matches...then how will you ever do well in the biggest and hardest tournament of SC2 (namely, GSL)? Might as well just stick to playing online random matches and international spring marathon tournaments...lol. (which is what TeamLiquid did to build up Taeja "Hype Train")

Your quote: "Taeja on form can beat anyone." So are you saying Taeja was not on form last night for the GSL? Well I can say the same when soO, Zest, and Innovation lost to him...they were not on form. What's your point? o.O

Here's the thing .don't make excuses for any of their losses. They lose and move on, that's it. If they played badly and were not on form...then how are they the best player?

There is no best player in SC2 since the game itself is..lets say nothing compared to Brood War. To be considered the best overall in SC2 you must be a Consistent player...so far...Taeja proved he is not consistent.


Even Flash got knocked out early in OSLs and MSLs in BW. Does that mean he isn't consistent?


Flash was a God in Brood War (since he doesn't play it anymore!). But because SC2 is a completely different game and based on Flash most recent results..I don't considered him consistent. He is around average I think. Jaedong was also a god in Brood War..in SC2 he is ehh..mediocore.


Flash is consistent. He has consistently lost his last 11 games.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18713 Posts
January 16 2015 17:53 GMT
#725
On January 17 2015 02:01 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote:
You want true consistency who can perform both well in marathon and preparation matches?

Here's a short list:
CJ.herO (the real hero)
Rain
soO
Zest
Parting
sOs
Life
maybe Innovation

If you don't do well in preparation matches and especially GSL in SC2...forget it. You ain't consistent.


Zest, sOs and soO all failed to qualify for both SSL and GSL...
How are they good in marathon matches? ^^
lastride
Profile Joined April 2014
2390 Posts
January 16 2015 18:20 GMT
#726
On January 17 2015 02:51 andrewlt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2015 01:51 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote:
On January 17 2015 01:16 ANLProbe wrote:
On January 17 2015 01:11 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote:
On January 17 2015 00:47 Homunculus159 wrote:
On January 17 2015 00:30 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote:
Taeja will never, ever win a GSL (especially nowadays due KESPA players). That's not even hard to understanding...just look at the history...has he ever won a GSL? nope...LOL. And back then there were far easier korean players to compete against.

Here are two simple reasons blind fans think he is the best player (haha, that is funny):
1) He goes to and wins so many international tournaments (whoopie doo, barely any pro koreans there)
2) He does well in random games and non-preparation matches (he gets wrecked in preparation matches...SSL & GSLs)

I'm definitely not surprised he is the loser in this group. No hate on Taeja here but his blinded fans sure fell for the TeamLiquid Hype. I wouldn't be surprised if TeamLiquid will write an article to come up with excuses for Taeja's loss.

GSL is for the big boys...today Taeja proved he doesn't belong in Code S. I'd say he is Code A level but he will also need to prove he belongs there (just like any other korean pros). No hate on Taeja here...just giving a big wake up slap to his blinded fans for falling for the TeamLiquid hype.



Oh please. Two of the best Kespa Players from last year did not even make it to Code S or to challenger in SSL.
Everyone knows Taeja is not good when it comes to preparation matches. Skillwise he is one of THE best. Kespa Koreans tried playing weekend tournaments and most of them failed. Sure they do not play many, but when they do they are not really great.

Sure Taeja sometimes is overhyped but his doubters downplay his talent way too much too. If it would have been that easy for Kespa Koreans why didn´t Innovation win every weekend tournament he attended even though he was doing very well in Korea. Hell at the Dreamhack Finals in Bucharest he got beaten by Taeja.
soO lost to Taeja. Fucking Zest lost to Taeja. He won vs sOs and beat Life many times.
When it comes to Skill Taeja BELONGS into Code S. Him losing today does not really say too much because like I said two of the biggest names one of them actually winning Code S season 1 last year and the other being in 4 GSL finals in a row didnt even make the qualifers

Taeja on form can beat anyone. Is he the best sc2 player ever? No. Maybe we could start arguing about who is the best Sc2 Player when SC3 comes out.



Oh please.If you're not good in preparation matches...then how will you ever do well in the biggest and hardest tournament of SC2 (namely, GSL)? Might as well just stick to playing online random matches and international spring marathon tournaments...lol. (which is what TeamLiquid did to build up Taeja "Hype Train")

Your quote: "Taeja on form can beat anyone." So are you saying Taeja was not on form last night for the GSL? Well I can say the same when soO, Zest, and Innovation lost to him...they were not on form. What's your point? o.O

Here's the thing .don't make excuses for any of their losses. They lose and move on, that's it. If they played badly and were not on form...then how are they the best player?

There is no best player in SC2 since the game itself is..lets say nothing compared to Brood War. To be considered the best overall in SC2 you must be a Consistent player...so far...Taeja proved he is not consistent.


Even Flash got knocked out early in OSLs and MSLs in BW. Does that mean he isn't consistent?


Flash was a God in Brood War (since he doesn't play it anymore!). But because SC2 is a completely different game and based on Flash most recent results..I don't considered him consistent. He is around average I think. Jaedong was also a god in Brood War..in SC2 he is ehh..mediocore.


Flash is consistent. He has consistently lost his last 11 games.

When he was winning 11 games in a row a couple of months ago did you make any smart ass posts like this?
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18713 Posts
January 16 2015 18:25 GMT
#727
On January 17 2015 03:20 lastride wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2015 02:51 andrewlt wrote:
On January 17 2015 01:51 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote:
On January 17 2015 01:16 ANLProbe wrote:
On January 17 2015 01:11 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote:
On January 17 2015 00:47 Homunculus159 wrote:
On January 17 2015 00:30 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote:
Taeja will never, ever win a GSL (especially nowadays due KESPA players). That's not even hard to understanding...just look at the history...has he ever won a GSL? nope...LOL. And back then there were far easier korean players to compete against.

Here are two simple reasons blind fans think he is the best player (haha, that is funny):
1) He goes to and wins so many international tournaments (whoopie doo, barely any pro koreans there)
2) He does well in random games and non-preparation matches (he gets wrecked in preparation matches...SSL & GSLs)

I'm definitely not surprised he is the loser in this group. No hate on Taeja here but his blinded fans sure fell for the TeamLiquid Hype. I wouldn't be surprised if TeamLiquid will write an article to come up with excuses for Taeja's loss.

GSL is for the big boys...today Taeja proved he doesn't belong in Code S. I'd say he is Code A level but he will also need to prove he belongs there (just like any other korean pros). No hate on Taeja here...just giving a big wake up slap to his blinded fans for falling for the TeamLiquid hype.



Oh please. Two of the best Kespa Players from last year did not even make it to Code S or to challenger in SSL.
Everyone knows Taeja is not good when it comes to preparation matches. Skillwise he is one of THE best. Kespa Koreans tried playing weekend tournaments and most of them failed. Sure they do not play many, but when they do they are not really great.

Sure Taeja sometimes is overhyped but his doubters downplay his talent way too much too. If it would have been that easy for Kespa Koreans why didn´t Innovation win every weekend tournament he attended even though he was doing very well in Korea. Hell at the Dreamhack Finals in Bucharest he got beaten by Taeja.
soO lost to Taeja. Fucking Zest lost to Taeja. He won vs sOs and beat Life many times.
When it comes to Skill Taeja BELONGS into Code S. Him losing today does not really say too much because like I said two of the biggest names one of them actually winning Code S season 1 last year and the other being in 4 GSL finals in a row didnt even make the qualifers

Taeja on form can beat anyone. Is he the best sc2 player ever? No. Maybe we could start arguing about who is the best Sc2 Player when SC3 comes out.



Oh please.If you're not good in preparation matches...then how will you ever do well in the biggest and hardest tournament of SC2 (namely, GSL)? Might as well just stick to playing online random matches and international spring marathon tournaments...lol. (which is what TeamLiquid did to build up Taeja "Hype Train")

Your quote: "Taeja on form can beat anyone." So are you saying Taeja was not on form last night for the GSL? Well I can say the same when soO, Zest, and Innovation lost to him...they were not on form. What's your point? o.O

Here's the thing .don't make excuses for any of their losses. They lose and move on, that's it. If they played badly and were not on form...then how are they the best player?

There is no best player in SC2 since the game itself is..lets say nothing compared to Brood War. To be considered the best overall in SC2 you must be a Consistent player...so far...Taeja proved he is not consistent.


Even Flash got knocked out early in OSLs and MSLs in BW. Does that mean he isn't consistent?


Flash was a God in Brood War (since he doesn't play it anymore!). But because SC2 is a completely different game and based on Flash most recent results..I don't considered him consistent. He is around average I think. Jaedong was also a god in Brood War..in SC2 he is ehh..mediocore.


Flash is consistent. He has consistently lost his last 11 games.

When he was winning 11 games in a row a couple of months ago did you make any smart ass posts like this?


I did. I made posts saying that that run is only a fluke. People lolled at me then. I am allowed to say I told you so ^^
imrusty269
Profile Joined January 2014
United States1404 Posts
January 16 2015 19:04 GMT
#728
Terran OP.
Bbyong | MMA | Polt | Dream | Maru | Mvp
ANLProbe
Profile Joined October 2013
667 Posts
January 16 2015 19:49 GMT
#729
On January 17 2015 02:01 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote:
You want true consistency who can perform both well in marathon and preparation matches?

Here's a short list:
CJ.herO (the real hero)
Rain
soO
Zest
Parting
sOs
Life
maybe Innovation

If you don't do well in preparation matches and especially GSL in SC2...forget it. You ain't consistent.


sOs and Life are anything but consistent. Innovation has had quite a few slumps. SoO seems to not do very well in any tournament that isn't GSL. The most consistent player on your list is probably Rain.
Go TAEJA
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18713 Posts
January 16 2015 19:57 GMT
#730
On January 17 2015 04:49 ANLProbe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2015 02:01 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote:
You want true consistency who can perform both well in marathon and preparation matches?

Here's a short list:
CJ.herO (the real hero)
Rain
soO
Zest
Parting
sOs
Life
maybe Innovation

If you don't do well in preparation matches and especially GSL in SC2...forget it. You ain't consistent.


sOs and Life are anything but consistent. Innovation has had quite a few slumps. SoO seems to not do very well in any tournament that isn't GSL. The most consistent player on your list is probably Rain.


Life and herO are the two most consistent players. They have their lows yes but they keep winning tournaments.
Rain is only consistent in not winning tournaments.
KingofdaHipHop
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United States25602 Posts
January 16 2015 20:33 GMT
#731
Yay herO made it! Sad to see taeja fall but it is what i expected, and sick performance out of Terminator!
Rain | herO | sOs | Dear | Neeb | ByuN | INnoVation | Dream | ForGG | Maru | ByuL | Golden | Solar | Soulkey | Scarlett!!!
Gojira621
Profile Joined October 2010
United States374 Posts
January 16 2015 21:04 GMT
#732
remember when some taeja fanboys were saying he would rek starleague and code S because he had beaten some kespa players in weekend LANs? We all know traditionally taeja is not that great at long-time prep tournies and today just shows it once again, coupled with his early exit in starleague
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
January 16 2015 21:05 GMT
#733
On January 17 2015 06:04 Gojira621 wrote:
remember when some taeja fanboys were saying he would rek starleague and code S because he had beaten some kespa players in weekend LANs? We all know traditionally taeja is not that great at long-time prep tournies and today just shows it once again, coupled with his early exit in starleague

Starleague was a little weird though. It felt like TaeJa pretty much defeated himself there. Here, I didn't see the games so I don't really know, but apparently TaeJa played unusually badly?
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ANLProbe
Profile Joined October 2013
667 Posts
January 16 2015 21:30 GMT
#734
On January 17 2015 06:04 Gojira621 wrote:
remember when some taeja fanboys were saying he would rek starleague and code S because he had beaten some kespa players in weekend LANs? We all know traditionally taeja is not that great at long-time prep tournies and today just shows it once again, coupled with his early exit in starleague

His series against SoO and Innovation were preparation matches.
Go TAEJA
Hyper_ZerGGling
Profile Joined January 2015
12 Posts
January 16 2015 22:27 GMT
#735
To truly be considered consistent...the primary goal is to do well in Major (I said major) tournaments, especially the GSLs and other Korean tournaments where you compete against the best Korean players in preparation matches.

If you say consistent is only about winning...then all one has to do is compete in numerous small international tournament (e.g. TeamLiquid fanboy Taeeejaaa) with little to no top notch Korean players...win those...enter more...win those...then yea...you have the most winnings (LOL)...vs someone like soO who freaken does monsterously good vs Top Notch Korean Players and entered 4 CONSECUTIVE GSL finals vs top notch Koreans (no foreigners whatsoever). No one has accomplished what soO has in SC2, period. Has Taeja ever made a GSL final? (NOPE even back then when the Korean scene was far less competitive) If I win 30 LAN tournaments in 3 months, am I the most consistent player on Earth? (it's not a trick question)

If you cried so much last night cuz Taeja was the loser of the group...then yea go ahead and say he won so so so many international tournaments vs foreigners, whatever makes you sleep at night. Trust me,we don't bash Taeja...but to say he is the best Terran or best player just because he won international tournaments, whereas the best KESPA players only play against the best, is very, very Laughable (heck I'm laughing as I'm writing this lol).

Let's see what happens when you stick CJ.herO (the real herO, not your liquid fanboy) in nothing but international tournaments and have him face Taeja...lol herO would smash him 80% of the time.

In short...to be truly consistent you must do well (but not always win) consistently vs the best Korean players (not foreigners). soO easily takes the cake here IMO.
Hyper_ZerGGling
Profile Joined January 2015
12 Posts
January 16 2015 22:30 GMT
#736
dude...Taeja lost to Curious 0-2...that's funny. To Curious!? He's not even a top 30 player...
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
January 16 2015 22:31 GMT
#737
On January 17 2015 07:30 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote:
dude...Taeja lost to Curious 0-2...that's funny. To Curious!? He's not even a top 30 player...

This guy really hates Taeja....
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
January 16 2015 22:32 GMT
#738
On January 17 2015 07:30 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote:
dude...Taeja lost to Curious 0-2...that's funny. To Curious!? He's not even a top 30 player...

1-2. And even if Curious fell from his former position in the ZvT hierarchy, he's still very dangerous and a master of the counters style.
Homunculus159
Profile Joined December 2014
Austria220 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-01-16 23:02:56
January 16 2015 22:52 GMT
#739
On January 17 2015 07:27 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote:
To truly be considered consistent...the primary goal is to do well in Major (I said major) tournaments, especially the GSLs and other Korean tournaments where you compete against the best Korean players in preparation matches.

If you say consistent is only about winning...then all one has to do is compete in numerous small international tournament (e.g. TeamLiquid fanboy Taeeejaaa) with little to no top notch Korean players...win those...enter more...win those...then yea...you have the most winnings (LOL)...vs someone like soO who freaken does monsterously good vs Top Notch Korean Players and entered 4 CONSECUTIVE GSL finals vs top notch Koreans (no foreigners whatsoever). No one has accomplished what soO has in SC2, period. Has Taeja ever made a GSL final? (NOPE even back then when the Korean scene was far less competitive) If I win 30 LAN tournaments in 3 months, am I the most consistent player on Earth? (it's not a trick question)

If you cried so much last night cuz Taeja was the loser of the group...then yea go ahead and say he won so so so many international tournaments vs foreigners, whatever makes you sleep at night. Trust me,we don't bash Taeja...but to say he is the best Terran or best player just because he won international tournaments, whereas the best KESPA players only play against the best, is very, very Laughable (heck I'm laughing as I'm writing this lol).

Let's see what happens when you stick CJ.herO (the real herO, not your liquid fanboy) in nothing but international tournaments and have him face Taeja...lol herO would smash him 80% of the time.

In short...to be truly consistent you must do well (but not always win) consistently vs the best Korean players (not foreigners). soO easily takes the cake here IMO.



Sigh.

Let´s see:

WCS Global Finals (where you had enough time to prepare) Taeja beat soO and Innovation.. Winner and runner up of GSL season 3 2014


IEM Torronto Taeja beat Zest

IEM Shenzen Taeja beat Zest and Life and actually won the whole thing.

IEM WCS Taeja beat Life

Dreamhack Winter 2013 Taeja beat Innovation sOs and Life (2times)

DreamHack Bucharest 2013: Taeja beats sOs Life and Inno

WCS Season 2 Finals Taeja beats Inno and stomps Rain 3:0

GSL 2013 Season 1 Taeja made it to the Semis by beating Nestea Inno (seems like he always wins against our most recent GSL winner) DRG and Soulkey



Taeja definitely only wins against Foreigners and bad Koreans right?
He is definitely not Code S Material by beating GSL winners time and time again.

Being a good player also means winning Weekend Tournaments. If it would have been that easy why didnt those elite Koreans win those tournaments when going to one? soO your 4 time GSL runner up got stomped by Solar at Dreamhack.


Look all those players you mentioned are great players actually they are currently the Elite players (though half of them are in a slump) but I fail to see how they are THAT much better than Taeja

Btw you know where cjherO was in Season 3 last year? Code A. Season 2 he did not get past the round of 16. By your definition that would mean he is not consistent right? ACTUALLY if i go by how you see it cjherO is also "just" a weekend tournament warrior since he never won a GSL NEVER was in a GSL final and only won IEM tournaments.


In the past few pages no one said anything about Taeja being the best player there is just that he is indeed Code S material and that one season is not enough to judge him since he has made it far in previous GSLs.


Anything else you wanna say?
Hyper_ZerGGling
Profile Joined January 2015
12 Posts
January 16 2015 23:02 GMT
#740
Flash is 5-0 or 6-0 vs Taeja recently, and Flash is average at best in SC2. His true potential shines in Brood War but this not the topic. Jim defeated Taeja in some tournament. PigBaby defeated Taeja to win WCS America. Taeja lost to Major in WCS America. Taeja lost to a lot more. Rain defeated Taeja like 5-0 or 6-0 when he first joined SC2 Pro scene. You must really love Taeja since you remembered every detail of him, congrats man!

But um...what is your point exactly?
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