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On January 16 2015 23:14 BlackCompany wrote:
Wow Terminator came first out of that group? Thats pretty impressive. How did he play? Throwing cheeses arround or just all arround good play?
And well wouldnt be a real GSL if Taeja didnt drop out early and in disappointing fashion :p
How's Flash doing?
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On January 17 2015 01:11 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 00:47 Homunculus159 wrote:On January 17 2015 00:30 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote:
Taeja will never, ever win a GSL (especially nowadays due KESPA players). That's not even hard to understanding...just look at the history...has he ever won a GSL? nope...LOL. And back then there were far easier korean players to compete against.
Here are two simple reasons blind fans think he is the best player (haha, that is funny):
1) He goes to and wins so many international tournaments (whoopie doo, barely any pro koreans there)
2) He does well in random games and non-preparation matches (he gets wrecked in preparation matches...SSL & GSLs)
I'm definitely not surprised he is the loser in this group. No hate on Taeja here but his blinded fans sure fell for the TeamLiquid Hype. I wouldn't be surprised if TeamLiquid will write an article to come up with excuses for Taeja's loss.
GSL is for the big boys...today Taeja proved he doesn't belong in Code S. I'd say he is Code A level but he will also need to prove he belongs there (just like any other korean pros). No hate on Taeja here...just giving a big wake up slap to his blinded fans for falling for the TeamLiquid hype. Oh please. Two of the best Kespa Players from last year did not even make it to Code S or to challenger in SSL. Everyone knows Taeja is not good when it comes to preparation matches. Skillwise he is one of THE best. Kespa Koreans tried playing weekend tournaments and most of them failed. Sure they do not play many, but when they do they are not really great. Sure Taeja sometimes is overhyped but his doubters downplay his talent way too much too. If it would have been that easy for Kespa Koreans why didn´t Innovation win every weekend tournament he attended even though he was doing very well in Korea. Hell at the Dreamhack Finals in Bucharest he got beaten by Taeja. soO lost to Taeja. Fucking Zest lost to Taeja. He won vs sOs and beat Life many times. When it comes to Skill Taeja BELONGS into Code S. Him losing today does not really say too much because like I said two of the biggest names one of them actually winning Code S season 1 last year and the other being in 4 GSL finals in a row didnt even make the qualifers Taeja on form can beat anyone. Is he the best sc2 player ever? No. Maybe we could start arguing about who is the best Sc2 Player when SC3 comes out. Oh please.If you're not good in preparation matches...then how will you ever do well in the biggest and hardest tournament of SC2 (namely, GSL)? Might as well just stick to playing online random matches and international spring marathon tournaments...lol. (which is what TeamLiquid did to build up Taeja "Hype Train") Your quote: "Taeja on form can beat anyone." So are you saying Taeja was not on form last night for the GSL? Well I can say the same when soO, Zest, and Innovation lost to him...they were not on form. What's your point? o.O Here's the thing .don't make excuses for any of their losses. They lose and move on, that's it. If they played badly and were not on form...then how are they the best player? There is no best player in SC2 since the game itself is..lets say nothing compared to Brood War. To be considered the best overall in SC2 you must be a Consistent player...so far...Taeja proved he is not consistent.
Even Flash got knocked out early in OSLs and MSLs in BW. Does that mean he isn't consistent?
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On January 17 2015 01:11 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 00:47 Homunculus159 wrote:On January 17 2015 00:30 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote:
Taeja will never, ever win a GSL (especially nowadays due KESPA players). That's not even hard to understanding...just look at the history...has he ever won a GSL? nope...LOL. And back then there were far easier korean players to compete against.
Here are two simple reasons blind fans think he is the best player (haha, that is funny):
1) He goes to and wins so many international tournaments (whoopie doo, barely any pro koreans there)
2) He does well in random games and non-preparation matches (he gets wrecked in preparation matches...SSL & GSLs)
I'm definitely not surprised he is the loser in this group. No hate on Taeja here but his blinded fans sure fell for the TeamLiquid Hype. I wouldn't be surprised if TeamLiquid will write an article to come up with excuses for Taeja's loss.
GSL is for the big boys...today Taeja proved he doesn't belong in Code S. I'd say he is Code A level but he will also need to prove he belongs there (just like any other korean pros). No hate on Taeja here...just giving a big wake up slap to his blinded fans for falling for the TeamLiquid hype. Oh please. Two of the best Kespa Players from last year did not even make it to Code S or to challenger in SSL. Everyone knows Taeja is not good when it comes to preparation matches. Skillwise he is one of THE best. Kespa Koreans tried playing weekend tournaments and most of them failed. Sure they do not play many, but when they do they are not really great. Sure Taeja sometimes is overhyped but his doubters downplay his talent way too much too. If it would have been that easy for Kespa Koreans why didn´t Innovation win every weekend tournament he attended even though he was doing very well in Korea. Hell at the Dreamhack Finals in Bucharest he got beaten by Taeja. soO lost to Taeja. Fucking Zest lost to Taeja. He won vs sOs and beat Life many times. When it comes to Skill Taeja BELONGS into Code S. Him losing today does not really say too much because like I said two of the biggest names one of them actually winning Code S season 1 last year and the other being in 4 GSL finals in a row didnt even make the qualifers Taeja on form can beat anyone. Is he the best sc2 player ever? No. Maybe we could start arguing about who is the best Sc2 Player when SC3 comes out. Oh please.If you're not good in preparation matches...then how will you ever do well in the biggest and hardest tournament of SC2 (namely, GSL)? Might as well just stick to playing online random matches and international spring marathon tournaments...lol. (which is what TeamLiquid did to build up Taeja "Hype Train") Your quote: "Taeja on form can beat anyone." So are you saying Taeja was not on form last night for the GSL? Well I can say the same when soO, Zest, and Innovation lost to him...they were not on form. What's your point? o.O Here's the thing .don't make excuses for any of their losses. They lose and move on, that's it. If they played badly and were not on form...then how are they the best player? There is no best player in SC2 since the game itself is..lets say nothing compared to Brood War. To be considered the best overall in SC2 you must be a Consistent player...so far... Taeja proved he is not consistent.
Taeja is one of THE consistent players in Sc2 winning Tournaments and beating Koreans Koreigners and Foreigners.
I never said Taeja had a bad day, but I have seen him play better. And YES soO and Zest may have had bad days in the qualifiers but I used them as an example for the Taeja lost in Round of 32 so he does not belong in Code S. If we look at it from your perspective both do not belong there too if they do not even make the qualifiers. They could be also just bad at playing against random people without preparation.
I never made excuses for Taeja or said he is the best player. Just that he is one of the best. I said he played bad. What I said is just by looking at his skill he DOES belong into Code S. His weakness not preparing well for Opponents is not something that cannot be corrected
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On January 17 2015 01:16 ANLProbe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 01:11 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote:On January 17 2015 00:47 Homunculus159 wrote:On January 17 2015 00:30 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote:
Taeja will never, ever win a GSL (especially nowadays due KESPA players). That's not even hard to understanding...just look at the history...has he ever won a GSL? nope...LOL. And back then there were far easier korean players to compete against.
Here are two simple reasons blind fans think he is the best player (haha, that is funny):
1) He goes to and wins so many international tournaments (whoopie doo, barely any pro koreans there)
2) He does well in random games and non-preparation matches (he gets wrecked in preparation matches...SSL & GSLs)
I'm definitely not surprised he is the loser in this group. No hate on Taeja here but his blinded fans sure fell for the TeamLiquid Hype. I wouldn't be surprised if TeamLiquid will write an article to come up with excuses for Taeja's loss.
GSL is for the big boys...today Taeja proved he doesn't belong in Code S. I'd say he is Code A level but he will also need to prove he belongs there (just like any other korean pros). No hate on Taeja here...just giving a big wake up slap to his blinded fans for falling for the TeamLiquid hype. Oh please. Two of the best Kespa Players from last year did not even make it to Code S or to challenger in SSL. Everyone knows Taeja is not good when it comes to preparation matches. Skillwise he is one of THE best. Kespa Koreans tried playing weekend tournaments and most of them failed. Sure they do not play many, but when they do they are not really great. Sure Taeja sometimes is overhyped but his doubters downplay his talent way too much too. If it would have been that easy for Kespa Koreans why didn´t Innovation win every weekend tournament he attended even though he was doing very well in Korea. Hell at the Dreamhack Finals in Bucharest he got beaten by Taeja. soO lost to Taeja. Fucking Zest lost to Taeja. He won vs sOs and beat Life many times. When it comes to Skill Taeja BELONGS into Code S. Him losing today does not really say too much because like I said two of the biggest names one of them actually winning Code S season 1 last year and the other being in 4 GSL finals in a row didnt even make the qualifers Taeja on form can beat anyone. Is he the best sc2 player ever? No. Maybe we could start arguing about who is the best Sc2 Player when SC3 comes out. Oh please.If you're not good in preparation matches...then how will you ever do well in the biggest and hardest tournament of SC2 (namely, GSL)? Might as well just stick to playing online random matches and international spring marathon tournaments...lol. (which is what TeamLiquid did to build up Taeja "Hype Train") Your quote: "Taeja on form can beat anyone." So are you saying Taeja was not on form last night for the GSL? Well I can say the same when soO, Zest, and Innovation lost to him...they were not on form. What's your point? o.O Here's the thing .don't make excuses for any of their losses. They lose and move on, that's it. If they played badly and were not on form...then how are they the best player? There is no best player in SC2 since the game itself is..lets say nothing compared to Brood War. To be considered the best overall in SC2 you must be a Consistent player...so far...Taeja proved he is not consistent. Even Flash got knocked out early in OSLs and MSLs in BW. Does that mean he isn't consistent?
Flash was a God in Brood War (since he doesn't play it anymore!). But because SC2 is a completely different game and based on Flash most recent results..I don't considered him consistent. He is around average I think. Jaedong was also a god in Brood War..in SC2 he is ehh..mediocore.
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On January 17 2015 01:11 ANLProbe wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2015 23:14 BlackCompany wrote:
Wow Terminator came first out of that group? Thats pretty impressive. How did he play? Throwing cheeses arround or just all arround good play?
And well wouldnt be a real GSL if Taeja didnt drop out early and in disappointing fashion :p How's Flash doing?
I was writing a really long post (and yes that included how Flash sucks atm), then i realized i dont give a fuck what you think so.. yeah.
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On January 17 2015 01:52 BlackCompany wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 01:11 ANLProbe wrote:On January 16 2015 23:14 BlackCompany wrote:
Wow Terminator came first out of that group? Thats pretty impressive. How did he play? Throwing cheeses arround or just all arround good play?
And well wouldnt be a real GSL if Taeja didnt drop out early and in disappointing fashion :p How's Flash doing? I was writing a really long post (and yes that included how Flash sucks atm), then i realized i dont give a fuck what you think so.. yeah.
:D arguing on the internet - you learned your lesson.
However, results like this, proved that the whole whining about terrans being imba right now is wrong (not saying anything is imba right now, just also not terran)
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On January 17 2015 01:54 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 01:52 BlackCompany wrote:On January 17 2015 01:11 ANLProbe wrote:On January 16 2015 23:14 BlackCompany wrote:
Wow Terminator came first out of that group? Thats pretty impressive. How did he play? Throwing cheeses arround or just all arround good play?
And well wouldnt be a real GSL if Taeja didnt drop out early and in disappointing fashion :p How's Flash doing? I was writing a really long post (and yes that included how Flash sucks atm), then i realized i dont give a fuck what you think so.. yeah. :D arguing on the internet - you learned your lesson. However, results like this, proved that the whole whining about terrans being imba right now is wrong (not saying anything is imba right now, just also not terran)
Ya, you learn one or two things when you are using internet for 8+ years 
I dont think Flashs results proove anything though, he hasnt been a world class terran for quite some time and failed 2 raxes/30 minutes of camping arent exactly the standard TvZ games
Edit: not saying T is OP or anything, i just dont think Flashs games proove anything
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You want true consistency who can perform both well in marathon and preparation matches?
Here's a short list:
CJ.herO (the real hero)
Rain
soO
Zest
Parting
sOs
Life
maybe Innovation
If you don't do well in preparation matches and especially GSL in SC2...forget it. You ain't consistent.
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You ain't consistently GOOD, if you always do meh in preparation/marathon and well in the other you are consistent though
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On January 17 2015 02:01 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote:
You want true consistency who can perform both well in marathon and preparation matches?
Here's a short list:
CJ.herO (the real hero)
Rain
soO
Zest
Parting
sOs
Life
maybe Innovation
If you don't do well in preparation matches and especially GSL in SC2...forget it. You ain't consistent.
I fail to see how preparation like strategies to counter player X, special cheeses or map abusing technics make xou more "consistent" than having superior mechanics, better understanding of the game and on-the-fly decision making ( this is what should prevail in weekend tournaments).
Now i am not saying preparation matches dont need all of this, but still... why does it make you more consistant if you can plan for your opponent? Consitency is being able to play at top level no matter what.
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On January 17 2015 02:01 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote:
CJ.herO (the real hero)
The real hero is by.hero. You're thinking of herO[jOin].
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On January 17 2015 02:11 BlackCompany wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 02:01 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote:
You want true consistency who can perform both well in marathon and preparation matches?
Here's a short list:
CJ.herO (the real hero)
Rain
soO
Zest
Parting
sOs
Life
maybe Innovation
If you don't do well in preparation matches and especially GSL in SC2...forget it. You ain't consistent. I fail to see how preparation like strategies to counter player X, special cheeses or map abusing technics make xou more "consistent" than having superior mechanics, better understanding of the game and on-the-fly decision making ( this is what should prevail in weekend tournaments). Now i am not saying preparation matches dont need all of this, but still... why does it make you more consistant if you can plan for your opponent? Consitency is being able to play at top level no matter what.
That's not really the point. I'd agree that most of the players listed in the post are quite good in preparation matches AND weekend tournaments. Not too sure about soO, but whatever.
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On January 17 2015 02:14 Swisslink wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 02:11 BlackCompany wrote:On January 17 2015 02:01 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote:
You want true consistency who can perform both well in marathon and preparation matches?
Here's a short list:
CJ.herO (the real hero)
Rain
soO
Zest
Parting
sOs
Life
maybe Innovation
If you don't do well in preparation matches and especially GSL in SC2...forget it. You ain't consistent. I fail to see how preparation like strategies to counter player X, special cheeses or map abusing technics make xou more "consistent" than having superior mechanics, better understanding of the game and on-the-fly decision making ( this is what should prevail in weekend tournaments). Now i am not saying preparation matches dont need all of this, but still... why does it make you more consistant if you can plan for your opponent? Consitency is being able to play at top level no matter what. That's not really the point. I'd agree that most of the players listed in the post are quite good in preparation matches AND weekend tournaments. Not too sure about soO, but whatever.
Thats true, that was what i was argueing aswell: You should do well in both. If that was the inital point then yes, i agree.
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United States15275 Posts
T-1000 model too powerful for mortal men to fight. We need a robot-killer stat.
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Taeja and WCS events... they never seem to mix.
Ah well, he'll probably wipe away his tears with more 10k checks this year. :D
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Taeja lost? Not even surprised
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On January 17 2015 01:51 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2015 01:16 ANLProbe wrote:On January 17 2015 01:11 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote:On January 17 2015 00:47 Homunculus159 wrote:On January 17 2015 00:30 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote:
Taeja will never, ever win a GSL (especially nowadays due KESPA players). That's not even hard to understanding...just look at the history...has he ever won a GSL? nope...LOL. And back then there were far easier korean players to compete against.
Here are two simple reasons blind fans think he is the best player (haha, that is funny):
1) He goes to and wins so many international tournaments (whoopie doo, barely any pro koreans there)
2) He does well in random games and non-preparation matches (he gets wrecked in preparation matches...SSL & GSLs)
I'm definitely not surprised he is the loser in this group. No hate on Taeja here but his blinded fans sure fell for the TeamLiquid Hype. I wouldn't be surprised if TeamLiquid will write an article to come up with excuses for Taeja's loss.
GSL is for the big boys...today Taeja proved he doesn't belong in Code S. I'd say he is Code A level but he will also need to prove he belongs there (just like any other korean pros). No hate on Taeja here...just giving a big wake up slap to his blinded fans for falling for the TeamLiquid hype. Oh please. Two of the best Kespa Players from last year did not even make it to Code S or to challenger in SSL. Everyone knows Taeja is not good when it comes to preparation matches. Skillwise he is one of THE best. Kespa Koreans tried playing weekend tournaments and most of them failed. Sure they do not play many, but when they do they are not really great. Sure Taeja sometimes is overhyped but his doubters downplay his talent way too much too. If it would have been that easy for Kespa Koreans why didn´t Innovation win every weekend tournament he attended even though he was doing very well in Korea. Hell at the Dreamhack Finals in Bucharest he got beaten by Taeja. soO lost to Taeja. Fucking Zest lost to Taeja. He won vs sOs and beat Life many times. When it comes to Skill Taeja BELONGS into Code S. Him losing today does not really say too much because like I said two of the biggest names one of them actually winning Code S season 1 last year and the other being in 4 GSL finals in a row didnt even make the qualifers Taeja on form can beat anyone. Is he the best sc2 player ever? No. Maybe we could start arguing about who is the best Sc2 Player when SC3 comes out. Oh please.If you're not good in preparation matches...then how will you ever do well in the biggest and hardest tournament of SC2 (namely, GSL)? Might as well just stick to playing online random matches and international spring marathon tournaments...lol. (which is what TeamLiquid did to build up Taeja "Hype Train") Your quote: "Taeja on form can beat anyone." So are you saying Taeja was not on form last night for the GSL? Well I can say the same when soO, Zest, and Innovation lost to him...they were not on form. What's your point? o.O Here's the thing .don't make excuses for any of their losses. They lose and move on, that's it. If they played badly and were not on form...then how are they the best player? There is no best player in SC2 since the game itself is..lets say nothing compared to Brood War. To be considered the best overall in SC2 you must be a Consistent player...so far...Taeja proved he is not consistent. Even Flash got knocked out early in OSLs and MSLs in BW. Does that mean he isn't consistent? Flash was a God in Brood War (since he doesn't play it anymore!). But because SC2 is a completely different game and based on Flash most recent results..I don't considered him consistent. He is around average I think. Jaedong was also a god in Brood War..in SC2 he is ehh..mediocore.
I actually think Flash is really consistent. He either gets to the ro16 or loses straight away.
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
On January 17 2015 02:01 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote:
You want true consistency who can perform both well in marathon and preparation matches?
Here's a short list:
CJ.herO (the real hero)
Rain
soO
Zest
Parting
sOs
Life
maybe Innovation
If you don't do well in preparation matches and especially GSL in SC2...forget it. You ain't consistent.
soO
Zest
sOs
all failed to make it to GSL, why are we putting Taeja up to a higher standard than them?
Hell Taeja has been way more consistent than sOs in terms of international tournaments, even if we just shorten the time period to when they were both playing at the same time.
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2 Protosses made it through today!
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Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
Also, Taeja
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