Nice group, I'd give an edge to herO and Taeja tho. Whoever wins their game comes out 1st, the other one battle through Curious and Terminator to take second.
Im all for GOM trying to get more money but to block out medium seems a bit silly. Blocking out high and Source (720p+) is ok, but to make us watch in like 240p is worst than back in WOL days xD
Oh yeah low quality D: nah not gonna watch not invested enough in this group. I am srsly considering subscribing so I can watch my players and actually see them -.-
I subscribed without second thought, I love GSL It's so much entertainment for just a couple of bucks. What do I enjoy more, a night out, 2 trips to the cinema or 3 months of GSL?
I can also see how they'd want to make some money. WHilst 14 might be a bit steep, most people just watch the free stream with addblock on and call it a day.
On January 16 2015 18:38 stevorino wrote: what did they say about star trek? i juuuust tuned in for the "take that star trek and star wars"
Tasteless described Terminator as a redshirt (without remembering the term), and in 20 seconds, we learned that 100% of the Archon's Star Trek knowledge belongs to the Tosis.
On January 16 2015 18:39 GumBa wrote: Oh yeah low quality D: nah not gonna watch not invested enough in this group. I am srsly considering subscribing so I can watch my players and actually see them -.-
On January 16 2015 18:39 GumBa wrote: Oh yeah low quality D: nah not gonna watch not invested enough in this group. I am srsly considering subscribing so I can watch my players and actually see them -.-
[ ] Not Told [X] Told [X] Really Told [X] TOLDASAURUS REX [X] Cash4told.com [X] No country for told men [X] Knights of the told Republic [X] ToldSpice [x] The Elder Tolds IV: Oblivious [x] Command & Conquer: Toldberian Sun [x] GuiTold Hero: World Told [X] Told King of Boletaria [x] Countold Strike [x] Unreal Toldament [x] Stone-told Steve Austin [X] Half Life 2: Episode Told [X] Roller Coaster Toldcoon [x] Assassin's Creed: Tolderhood [x] Battletolds [x] S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shatold of Chernobyl [X] Toldasauraus Rex 2: Electric Toldaloo [x] Told of Duty 4: Modem Toldfare [X] Pokemon Told and Silver [x] The Legend of Eldorado : The Lost City of Told [X] Rampage: Toldal Destmction [x] Told Fortress Classic [x] Toldman: Arkham Told [X] The Good, The Bad, and The Told [x] Super Mario SunTold [x] Legend of Zelda: Toldacamia of Time [X] Toldstone creamery [x] Mario Golf: Toldstool Tour [X] Told Fortress 2 [X] TOLDPOCALYPSE [X] We Been Through The Desert On a Horse That Got Told [X] Heart of Told [X] Toldception [X] A Fistful of Told [X] Told High [X] Tengen Tolda Gurren Laggan [X] The Toldshank Redemption [X] Night of the Living Told [X] Toldenstein Castle 3D [X] Toldageddeon [X] Batman: The Brave and the Told [X] SUPER MEGA ULTRA FUCK-HUGE TOLD
On January 16 2015 18:51 TheDwf wrote: How come there aren't numbers on the prod tab of the r1ch stream?
On the low quality stream there aren´t numbers either (which btw is fucking ridiculous)
taeja getting rekt
There aren't? That's quite a surprise, apparently the production tab showing 2 Marauders and 2 Marines in production at the end portion of that game wasn't real.
Something something kespa something something tournament format something something I rate him below people who make ro8 in GSL constantly something something
On January 16 2015 18:51 TheDwf wrote: How come there aren't numbers on the prod tab of the r1ch stream?
On the low quality stream there aren´t numbers either (which btw is fucking ridiculous)
taeja getting rekt
There aren't? That's quite a surprise, apparently the production tab showing 2 Marauders and 2 Marines in production at the end portion of that game wasn't real.
in the first game not, the observer changed that for the second
On January 16 2015 19:03 graNite wrote: Taeja is dead ! Yesssssssssss
[ ] Not Told [X] Told [X] Really Told [X] TOLDASAURUS REX [X] Cash4told.com [X] No country for told men [X] Knights of the told Republic [X] ToldSpice [x] The Elder Tolds IV: Oblivious [x] Command & Conquer: Toldberian Sun [x] GuiTold Hero: World Told [X] Told King of Boletaria [x] Countold Strike [x] Unreal Toldament [x] Stone-told Steve Austin [X] Half Life 2: Episode Told [X] Roller Coaster Toldcoon [x] Assassin's Creed: Tolderhood [x] Battletolds [x] S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shatold of Chernobyl [X] Toldasauraus Rex 2: Electric Toldaloo [x] Told of Duty 4: Modem Toldfare [X] Pokemon Told and Silver [x] The Legend of Eldorado : The Lost City of Told [X] Rampage: Toldal Destmction [x] Told Fortress Classic [x] Toldman: Arkham Told [X] The Good, The Bad, and The Told [x] Super Mario SunTold [x] Legend of Zelda: Toldacamia of Time [X] Toldstone creamery [x] Mario Golf: Toldstool Tour [X] Told Fortress 2 [X] TOLDPOCALYPSE [X] We Been Through The Desert On a Horse That Got Told [X] Heart of Told [X] Toldception [X] A Fistful of Told [X] Told High [X] Tengen Tolda Gurren Laggan [X] The Toldshank Redemption [X] Night of the Living Told [X] Toldenstein Castle 3D [X] Toldageddeon [X] Batman: The Brave and the Told [X] SUPER MEGA ULTRA FUCK-HUGE TOLD
Quote for glory, this much work can't go unnoticed
[ ] Not Told [X] Told [X] Really Told [X] TOLDASAURUS REX [X] Cash4told.com [X] No country for told men [X] Knights of the told Republic [X] ToldSpice [x] The Elder Tolds IV: Oblivious [x] Command & Conquer: Toldberian Sun [x] GuiTold Hero: World Told [X] Told King of Boletaria [x] Countold Strike [x] Unreal Toldament [x] Stone-told Steve Austin [X] Half Life 2: Episode Told [X] Roller Coaster Toldcoon [x] Assassin's Creed: Tolderhood [x] Battletolds [x] S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shatold of Chernobyl [X] Toldasauraus Rex 2: Electric Toldaloo [x] Told of Duty 4: Modem Toldfare [X] Pokemon Told and Silver [x] The Legend of Eldorado : The Lost City of Told [X] Rampage: Toldal Destmction [x] Told Fortress Classic [x] Toldman: Arkham Told [X] The Good, The Bad, and The Told [x] Super Mario SunTold [x] Legend of Zelda: Toldacamia of Time [X] Toldstone creamery [x] Mario Golf: Toldstool Tour [X] Told Fortress 2 [X] TOLDPOCALYPSE [X] We Been Through The Desert On a Horse That Got Told [X] Heart of Told [X] Toldception [X] A Fistful of Told [X] Told High [X] Tengen Tolda Gurren Laggan [X] The Toldshank Redemption [X] Night of the Living Told [X] Toldenstein Castle 3D [X] Toldageddeon [X] Batman: The Brave and the Told [X] SUPER MEGA ULTRA FUCK-HUGE TOLD
On January 16 2015 19:03 graNite wrote: Taeja is dead ! Yesssssssssss
[ ] Not Told [X] Told [X] Really Told [X] TOLDASAURUS REX [X] Cash4told.com [X] No country for told men [X] Knights of the told Republic [X] ToldSpice [x] The Elder Tolds IV: Oblivious [x] Command & Conquer: Toldberian Sun [x] GuiTold Hero: World Told [X] Told King of Boletaria [x] Countold Strike [x] Unreal Toldament [x] Stone-told Steve Austin [X] Half Life 2: Episode Told [X] Roller Coaster Toldcoon [x] Assassin's Creed: Tolderhood [x] Battletolds [x] S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shatold of Chernobyl [X] Toldasauraus Rex 2: Electric Toldaloo [x] Told of Duty 4: Modem Toldfare [X] Pokemon Told and Silver [x] The Legend of Eldorado : The Lost City of Told [X] Rampage: Toldal Destmction [x] Told Fortress Classic [x] Toldman: Arkham Told [X] The Good, The Bad, and The Told [x] Super Mario SunTold [x] Legend of Zelda: Toldacamia of Time [X] Toldstone creamery [x] Mario Golf: Toldstool Tour [X] Told Fortress 2 [X] TOLDPOCALYPSE [X] We Been Through The Desert On a Horse That Got Told [X] Heart of Told [X] Toldception [X] A Fistful of Told [X] Told High [X] Tengen Tolda Gurren Laggan [X] The Toldshank Redemption [X] Night of the Living Told [X] Toldenstein Castle 3D [X] Toldageddeon [X] Batman: The Brave and the Told [X] SUPER MEGA ULTRA FUCK-HUGE TOLD
[ ] Not Told [X] Told [X] Really Told [X] TOLDASAURUS REX [X] Cash4told.com [X] No country for told men [X] Knights of the told Republic [X] ToldSpice [x] The Elder Tolds IV: Oblivious [x] Command & Conquer: Toldberian Sun [x] GuiTold Hero: World Told [X] Told King of Boletaria [x] Countold Strike [x] Unreal Toldament [x] Stone-told Steve Austin [X] Half Life 2: Episode Told [X] Roller Coaster Toldcoon [x] Assassin's Creed: Tolderhood [x] Battletolds [x] S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shatold of Chernobyl [X] Toldasauraus Rex 2: Electric Toldaloo [x] Told of Duty 4: Modem Toldfare [X] Pokemon Told and Silver [x] The Legend of Eldorado : The Lost City of Told [X] Rampage: Toldal Destmction [x] Told Fortress Classic [x] Toldman: Arkham Told [X] The Good, The Bad, and The Told [x] Super Mario SunTold [x] Legend of Zelda: Toldacamia of Time [X] Toldstone creamery [x] Mario Golf: Toldstool Tour [X] Told Fortress 2 [X] TOLDPOCALYPSE [X] We Been Through The Desert On a Horse That Got Told [X] Heart of Told [X] Toldception [X] A Fistful of Told [X] Told High [X] Tengen Tolda Gurren Laggan [X] The Toldshank Redemption [X] Night of the Living Told [X] Toldenstein Castle 3D [X] Toldageddeon [X] Batman: The Brave and the Told [X] SUPER MEGA ULTRA FUCK-HUGE TOLD
What is this? lol
This is what people in Twitch Chat refer to as a duplicate of a hardy Italian meal.
The difference of preparing for your opponent vs training by laddering for general play One wrecks gsl type tournaments, other is prepared for everything in weekend tournaments... oh well Still hope taeja and herO go through... was hoping for blizzcon finals taeja vs herO... so they better both go through here
On January 16 2015 19:15 LoneYoShi wrote: Anyone could do a quick recap of the games for people at work ? Would be greatly appreciated... <3
Game one opened macro style, Taeja had 3 base and herO 3 base, then Taeja decided to push with SCV pull on 3 base to try and hit a timing he must of planned. herO scouted it coming with blink stalkers and got into a great position with 2-2 colli/blink/immortal/chargelot army to eat through Taeja scv pull army of MMM + vikings. Was very good positioning imo.
Game two was 2 base all in colli build from herO. Taeja had 2 medivac worth of units in natural of herO when herO was at his natural so definitely had no chance to defend it and gg 2-0
On January 16 2015 19:15 LoneYoShi wrote: Anyone could do a quick recap of the games for people at work ? Would be greatly appreciated... <3
Game one opened macro style, Taeja had 3 base and herO 3 base, then Taeja decided to push with SCV pull on 3 base to try and hit a timing he must of planned. herO scouted it coming with blink stalkers and got into a great position with 2-2 colli/blink/immortal/chargelot army to eat through Taeja scv pull army of MMM + vikings. Was very good positioning imo.
Game two was 2 base all in colli build from herO. Taeja had 2 medivac worth of units in natural of herO when herO was at his natural so definitely had no chance to defend it and gg 2-0
Thank you very much Pande ! Alright, my predictions are good so far. Now gogo Terminator (yes, I went with the hipster win of Terminator over Curious) !
On January 16 2015 19:04 chambertin wrote: for fuck's sake taeja T_T
what should Taeja have done? run past the nexus?
Just camp his natural with everything and win with SCV pull
whose natural? confused.
do you mean he should have retreated his units? would he have held for that long?
I mean he shouldn't have sent those units away in the first place
i seem to recall a brief period when sending out two medivacs was the proper response to two base colo pushes... in any case, do you think having that amount of units out made the game irrecoverably lost? what, if i may court facetiousness, would have been his best reaction from the position he was in? ty in advance.
Loving terminator's play... wanted curious to come out but i want to see some close games between Term and Taeja... with taej edging it out ofc
damn... Terminator with that crushing engage, Curious was just watching his shit evaporate; people use that word a lot, but that was actually a real example.
Also, i forgot i just saw terminator making me cry beating out fanta. This guy's busy.
On January 16 2015 19:31 DreamOen wrote: Can anyone summarize what happened in taeja games?, I just arrived ;(
very brief;
Game one opened macro style, Taeja had 3 base and herO 3 base, then Taeja decided to push with SCV pull on 3 base to try and hit a timing he must of planned. herO scouted it coming with blink stalkers and got into a great position with 2-2 colli/blink/immortal/chargelot army to eat through Taeja scv pull army of MMM + vikings. Was very good positioning imo.
Game two was 2 base all in colli build from herO. Taeja had 2 medivac worth of units in natural of herO when herO was at his natural so definitely had no chance to defend it and gg 2-0
On January 16 2015 19:31 DreamOen wrote: Can anyone summarize what happened in taeja games?, I just arrived ;(
On KSS, game one, herO got Blink and then held Taeja back. Then he got a macro lead and Taeja pulled the boys but died in an awful engagement. On game two herO did a Colossus all-in and Taeja had two full medivacs across the field and tried to base race but lost both fights, gg. Seemed simple enough for herO.
On January 16 2015 19:31 DreamOen wrote: Can anyone summarize what happened in taeja games?, I just arrived ;(
very brief;
Game one opened macro style, Taeja had 3 base and herO 3 base, then Taeja decided to push with SCV pull on 3 base to try and hit a timing he must of planned. herO scouted it coming with blink stalkers and got into a great position with 2-2 colli/blink/immortal/chargelot army to eat through Taeja scv pull army of MMM + vikings. Was very good positioning imo.
Game two was 2 base all in colli build from herO. Taeja had 2 medivac worth of units in natural of herO when herO was at his natural so definitely had no chance to defend it and gg 2-0
Thanks!, and it seems taeja had a bit of bad luck or missreads.
On January 16 2015 19:04 chambertin wrote: for fuck's sake taeja T_T
what should Taeja have done? run past the nexus?
Just camp his natural with everything and win with SCV pull
whose natural? confused.
do you mean he should have retreated his units? would he have held for that long?
I mean he shouldn't have sent those units away in the first place
i seem to recall a brief period when sending out two medivacs was the proper response to two base colo pushes... in any case, do you think having that amount of units out made the game irrecoverably lost? what, if i may court facetiousness, would have been his best reaction from the position he was in? ty in advance.
Countering with a dual drop is tricky with the MSC. If you get "lucky" and you hit when the colo is in production/when he just warped in front of your natural, you can kick his Nexus or unpower his production, which makes you win if you defend at home; but if that's not the case, your dual drop may be repelled without troubles by PO + one Colo (and possibly a few units) while you lose at home because you're lacking 20 supply there. The best reaction is probably to evacuate to the high ground in this semi-basetrade situation
On January 16 2015 19:39 Heartland wrote: How the hell is Terminator doing this?
Curious not bothering to kill the cannons' pylon
But that didn't matter until a lot later. It was more that he was attacking into a gold base with speedlings and hydras with three gases, no splash, no third and first getting beaten back and then still killing tons of drones and evening the game out enough to transition
On January 16 2015 19:39 Heartland wrote: How the hell is Terminator doing this?
Curious not bothering to kill the cannons' pylon
But that didn't matter until a lot later. It was more that he was attacking into a gold base with speedlings and hydras with three gases, no splash, no third and first getting beaten back and then still killing tons of drones and evening the game out enough to transition
Ah yes, there was some good mass stalker play by Terminator
On January 16 2015 19:42 DJHelium wrote: Missed first series, how did Taeja look?
By Pande :
Game one opened macro style, Taeja had 3 base and herO 3 base, then Taeja decided to push with SCV pull on 3 base to try and hit a timing he must of planned. herO scouted it coming with blink stalkers and got into a great position with 2-2 colli/blink/immortal/chargelot army to eat through Taeja scv pull army of MMM + vikings. Was very good positioning imo.
Game two was 2 base all in colli build from herO. Taeja had 2 medivac worth of units in natural of herO when herO was at his natural so definitely had no chance to defend it and gg 2-0
On January 16 2015 19:42 DJHelium wrote: Missed first series, how did Taeja look?
By Pande :
Game one opened macro style, Taeja had 3 base and herO 3 base, then Taeja decided to push with SCV pull on 3 base to try and hit a timing he must of planned. herO scouted it coming with blink stalkers and got into a great position with 2-2 colli/blink/immortal/chargelot army to eat through Taeja scv pull army of MMM + vikings. Was very good positioning imo.
Game two was 2 base all in colli build from herO. Taeja had 2 medivac worth of units in natural of herO when herO was at his natural so definitely had no chance to defend it and gg 2-0
Don't get wtf protoss are doing. He stuttered curious opening so much, curious VERY smart to go ling hydra so quickly noticing the stalker play. But to not take a 3rd and try and get a Colli or 3 was baffling for me. Don't even think he had good upgrades. Oh well. Game 3!
On January 16 2015 19:46 Pandemona wrote: Don't get wtf protoss are doing. He stuttered curious opening so much, curious VERY smart to go ling hydra so quickly noticing the stalker play. But to not take a 3rd and try and get a Colli or 3 was baffling for me. Don't even think he had good upgrades. Oh well. Game 3!
He had no tech, getting Collosi from Cybercore takes 3/4 minutes of no initiative. Having enough to face Hydraling takes you 6 minutes.
On January 16 2015 19:46 Pandemona wrote: Don't get wtf protoss are doing. He stuttered curious opening so much, curious VERY smart to go ling hydra so quickly noticing the stalker play. But to not take a 3rd and try and get a Colli or 3 was baffling for me. Don't even think he had good upgrades. Oh well. Game 3!
On January 16 2015 19:46 Pandemona wrote: Don't get wtf protoss are doing. He stuttered curious opening so much, curious VERY smart to go ling hydra so quickly noticing the stalker play. But to not take a 3rd and try and get a Colli or 3 was baffling for me. Don't even think he had good upgrades. Oh well. Game 3!
He had just decided to go blink all in, he had only three gases. But I agree, after his Stalkers and zealots killed 12 Drones he could have tried to macro out. He still had a big Stalker ball and could probably have defended until he transitioned
I think that vs zerg expanding that late*(after 10:30min) while the zerg is droning hardchore, even tho he lost 11 drones, gives away too much of the game momentum.
Yeah wish it was midday in England so i could do the same GumBa I have my rice ready and chilli sauce mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...but its not dinner time in England Q_Q
On January 16 2015 20:02 Pandemona wrote: Yeah wish it was midday in England so i could do the same GumBa I have my rice ready and chilli sauce mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...but its not dinner time in England Q_Q
On January 16 2015 20:02 Pandemona wrote: Yeah wish it was midday in England so i could do the same GumBa I have my rice ready and chilli sauce mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...but its not dinner time in England Q_Q
On January 16 2015 20:02 Pandemona wrote: Yeah wish it was midday in England so i could do the same GumBa I have my rice ready and chilli sauce mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...but its not dinner time in England Q_Q
TT I'll eat in your name Pande
typical german food: ravioli cold, straight from the can
On January 16 2015 20:02 Pandemona wrote: Yeah wish it was midday in England so i could do the same GumBa I have my rice ready and chilli sauce mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...but its not dinner time in England Q_Q
TT I'll eat in your name Pande
Thank you sir! What are you having :o
Umm Linseneintopf. I forgot what Linsen are in english :o
On January 16 2015 20:02 Pandemona wrote: Yeah wish it was midday in England so i could do the same GumBa I have my rice ready and chilli sauce mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...but its not dinner time in England Q_Q
TT I'll eat in your name Pande
Thank you sir! What are you having :o
Umm Linseneintopf. I forgot what Linsen are in english :o
Lentil soup according to google? Which is yummy. Got some fresh bread to have with it? Or just le soup?
On January 16 2015 20:02 Pandemona wrote: Yeah wish it was midday in England so i could do the same GumBa I have my rice ready and chilli sauce mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...but its not dinner time in England Q_Q
TT I'll eat in your name Pande
Thank you sir! What are you having :o
Umm Linseneintopf. I forgot what Linsen are in english :o
Lentil soup according to google? Which is yummy. Got some fresh bread to have with it? Or just le soup?
Ye Lentil soup. And yup got some fresh bread rolls from the baker :3
On January 16 2015 20:15 Homunculus159 wrote: I joined not too long ago. Can anyone explain to me why all the taeja hate?
TaeJa won a lot of foreign tournaments (14?15?) but (almost) never did well in Code S or WCS, thus leading to a fight between people saying he was one of the best players on earth and those saying he was just a shitty weekend warrior.
On January 16 2015 20:19 Dingodile wrote: Can someone tell me why 90% of all ZvP Lategame end up with basetrade and not fighting directly? TvP Lategame is much much better to watch.
On January 16 2015 20:19 Dingodile wrote: Can someone tell me why 90% of all ZvP Lategame end up with basetrade and not fighting directly? TvP Lategame is much much better to watch.
Basically the one who takes a direct engagement loses.
On January 16 2015 20:02 Pandemona wrote: Yeah wish it was midday in England so i could do the same GumBa I have my rice ready and chilli sauce mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...but its not dinner time in England Q_Q
TT I'll eat in your name Pande
Thank you sir! What are you having :o
Umm Linseneintopf. I forgot what Linsen are in english :o
Lentil soup according to google? Which is yummy. Got some fresh bread to have with it? Or just le soup?
Ye Lentil soup. And yup got some fresh bread rolls from the baker :3
On January 16 2015 20:02 Pandemona wrote: Yeah wish it was midday in England so i could do the same GumBa I have my rice ready and chilli sauce mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...but its not dinner time in England Q_Q
TT I'll eat in your name Pande
Thank you sir! What are you having :o
Umm Linseneintopf. I forgot what Linsen are in english :o
Lentil soup according to google? Which is yummy. Got some fresh bread to have with it? Or just le soup?
Ye Lentil soup. And yup got some fresh bread rolls from the baker :3
I wish players that actually understand their races' styles in those situations had played that instead of Terminator vs Curious. Not a lot to take from this.
As if Broodlords weren't enough of an indicator of how stupid free units were, that game and pretty much all of HotS have perfectly demonstrated it. Get rid of swarm hosts in LotV please, Blizz.
On January 16 2015 20:23 Brett wrote: As if Broodlords weren't enough of an indicator of how stupid free units were, that game and pretty much all of HotS have perfectly demonstrated it. Get rid of swarm hosts in LotV please, Blizz.
On January 16 2015 20:24 Orcasgt24 wrote: I missed most of this game watching a SWAT raid across the street from me lol
Damn. I like these kind of games!
Did it drag out endlessly so you lost interest?
I see what you did there lol. The raid was lame...lots of megaphone yelling and the people made the correct choice and listened. Generally when 10 guys with assault rifles are outside your door its in your best interest to follow instructions
On January 16 2015 21:20 KingofdaHipHop wrote: what i missed game 1, what happened?
Hit a nice timing from Taeja. 2 base push out with MMM and hellbat. Then took a 3rd CC and added some mines eventually. Just poked around the map getting good engagements and steam rolled through from there.
This is an interesting style, they never had their whole armies clash, but Curious made sure he never had to. I guess this only works on maps with many avenues, but definitely something I'd love to try out.
On January 16 2015 21:33 KingofdaHipHop wrote: man that game from Curious just reminded me of how he played insane games against Inno in 2013 IEM NYC qualifiers. he's so sick
taeja played so flawlessly in game 1 and especially 2 until the 11-12 min mark, read curious so well and responded perfectly, dont know why he couldnt finish him on king sejong
On January 16 2015 21:50 Luolis wrote: I hate the people who are like "Im really glad this guy lost". Only time id ever really do that if its a really BM person who really deserves it.
I agree, I'm not a fan of Taeja but please show a little decency. Great games though so far.
On January 16 2015 21:50 Luolis wrote: I hate the people who are like "Im really glad this guy lost". Only time id ever really do that if its a really BM person who really deserves it.
On January 16 2015 21:50 Luolis wrote: I hate the people who are like "Im really glad this guy lost". Only time id ever really do that if its a really BM person who really deserves it.
Once again, when he plays in the hardest tournament in the world instead of some foreigner tournament, he fails to live up to the hype. Not very surprising.
Hopefully people will now finally stop putting Taeja on the same level as MVP.
On January 16 2015 21:50 Luolis wrote: I hate the people who are like "Im really glad this guy lost". Only time id ever really do that if its a really BM person who really deserves it.
In other words, "I hate the people who are like "I'm really glad this guy lost" unless I'm one of them." :p
I'll be a little more thorough and say I hate it every time.
On January 16 2015 21:52 bartus88 wrote: Once again, when he plays in the hardest tournament in the world instead of some foreigner tournament, he fails to live up to the hype. Not very surprising.
Hopefully people will now finally stop putting Taeja on the same level as MVP.
On January 16 2015 21:52 bartus88 wrote: Once again, when he plays in the hardest tournament in the world instead of some foreigner tournament, he fails to live up to the hype. Not very surprising.
Hopefully people will now finally stop putting Taeja on the same level as MVP.
Once again? Taeja was one of the very best last time he was in GSL, iirc 2 semifinals and 2 quarterfinals in the span of 5 seasons. And this was during BL-infestor era.
edit: or once again like in SSL and then now? Anyway I don't think it matters, Taeja is still one of the best we had last year, GSL or not.
On January 16 2015 21:50 Luolis wrote: I hate the people who are like "Im really glad this guy lost". Only time id ever really do that if its a really BM person who really deserves it.
In other words, "I hate the people who are like "I'm really glad this guy lost" unless I'm one of them." :p
I'll be a little more thorough and say I hate it every time.
Well, i think if youre really BM and you show no respect to anyone, imo its atleast acceptable to hate on those people. But when people send those messages to people, who really dont deserve it, its imo just hateful.
On January 16 2015 21:52 bartus88 wrote: Once again, when he plays in the hardest tournament in the world instead of some foreigner tournament, he fails to live up to the hype. Not very surprising.
Hopefully people will now finally stop putting Taeja on the same level as MVP.
Once again? Taeja was one of the very best last time he was in GSL, iirc 2 semifinals and 2 quarterfinals in the span of 5 seasons. And this was during BL-infestor era.
edit: or once again like in SSL and then now? Anyway I don't think it matters, Taeja is still one of the best we had last year, GSL or not.
On January 16 2015 21:52 bartus88 wrote: Once again, when he plays in the hardest tournament in the world instead of some foreigner tournament, he fails to live up to the hype. Not very surprising.
Hopefully people will now finally stop putting Taeja on the same level as MVP.
Once again? Taeja was one of the very best last time he was in GSL, iirc 2 semifinals and 2 quarterfinals in the span of 5 seasons. And this was during BL-infestor era.
edit: or once again like in SSL and then now? Anyway I don't think it matters, Taeja is still one of the best we had last year, GSL or not.
Yeah broodlord infestor last for like 100 code S season and over 15 years .....
On January 16 2015 21:52 bartus88 wrote: Once again, when he plays in the hardest tournament in the world instead of some foreigner tournament, he fails to live up to the hype. Not very surprising.
Hopefully people will now finally stop putting Taeja on the same level as MVP.
Once again? Taeja was one of the very best last time he was in GSL, iirc 2 semifinals and 2 quarterfinals in the span of 5 seasons. And this was during BL-infestor era.
edit: or once again like in SSL and then now? Anyway I don't think it matters, Taeja is still one of the best we had last year, GSL or not.
I never said he was bad. Definitely top 10 of all time. I simply said he never lived up to the hype when playing the hardest tournaments. He performed terribly in WCS last year and TL still voted him player of the year. People constantly compare him to Mvp despite Mvp being undeniably better during his reign. He is an amazing player, but he gets way more praise than he deserves.
On January 16 2015 21:57 phagga wrote: Don't feed the trolls.
Yes, I'm obviously a troll and not just stating my opinion on a forum. Very clever.
On January 16 2015 21:52 bartus88 wrote: Once again, when he plays in the hardest tournament in the world instead of some foreigner tournament, he fails to live up to the hype. Not very surprising.
Hopefully people will now finally stop putting Taeja on the same level as MVP.
And why is this hardest tournament in the world? Who decides that? You? Blizzcon was the hardest and he smashed both soO and innovation, and kespa got wrecked there... 1 in top 4, 0 in finals
He just doesnt like this type of tournament, not because its "hard" but because he trains by playing ladder and opponents prepare for him! But in the end, its not same Taeja anymore, when he is in form, he wouldnt lose to this kind of play
Pure skill, Taeja is the best player there is... he just doesnt do any preparation for opponents and tries to play standard all the time, and people use it against him if they have time to prepare for him... i mean, soO, zest, solar, innovation, rain... all kind of people he beats and they all consider him great, one of the best... yet here he is bad because he cant win GSL... but its fine that kespa guys cant win any big tournament outside... those he won bunch... yet then its always some jetlag or tired excuse!
On January 16 2015 21:59 Undead1993 wrote: wtf is going on terminator going through first and taeja going out first. rofl
yeah, unexpected that herO didn't go through first. but taeja going out first isn't really a surprise to me. it just doesn't seem like he's playing sc2 at all. not playing in PL and just whining about retirements is all I've seen recently.
On January 16 2015 21:52 bartus88 wrote: Once again, when he plays in the hardest tournament in the world instead of some foreigner tournament, he fails to live up to the hype. Not very surprising.
Hopefully people will now finally stop putting Taeja on the same level as MVP.
And why is this hardest tournament in the world? Who decides that? You? Blizzcon was the hardest and he smashed both soO and innovation, and kespa got wrecked there... 1 in top 4, 0 in finals
He just doesnt like this type of tournament, not because its "hard" but because he trains by playing ladder and opponents prepare for him! But in the end, its not same Taeja anymore, when he is in form, he wouldnt lose to this kind of play
Pure skill, Taeja is the best player there is... he just doesnt do any preparation for opponents and tries to play standard all the time, and people use it against him if they have time to prepare for him... i mean, soO, zest, solar, innovation, rain... all kind of people he beats and they all consider him great, one of the best... yet here he is bad because he cant win GSL... but its fine that kespa guys cant win any big tournament outside... those he won bunch... yet then its always some jetlag or tired excuse!
its not "pure skill" if people wreck you when you play, skill = winning, if you cant win then you dont have skill at the game
skill at macro mechanics maybe but this isnt macro mechanicraft its starcraft
On January 16 2015 22:01 Heartland wrote: I admit it, Nazgul pays all of us writers in his blood money given by Azubu so we can hype his really bad players You found us out!
On January 16 2015 21:52 bartus88 wrote: Once again, when he plays in the hardest tournament in the world instead of some foreigner tournament, he fails to live up to the hype. Not very surprising.
Hopefully people will now finally stop putting Taeja on the same level as MVP.
Once again? Taeja was one of the very best last time he was in GSL, iirc 2 semifinals and 2 quarterfinals in the span of 5 seasons. And this was during BL-infestor era.
edit: or once again like in SSL and then now? Anyway I don't think it matters, Taeja is still one of the best we had last year, GSL or not.
Yeah broodlord infestor last for like 100 code S season and over 15 years .....
On January 16 2015 22:01 Heartland wrote: I admit it, Nazgul pays all of us writers in his blood money given by Azubu so we can hype his really bad players You found us out!
On January 16 2015 21:52 bartus88 wrote: Once again, when he plays in the hardest tournament in the world instead of some foreigner tournament, he fails to live up to the hype. Not very surprising.
Hopefully people will now finally stop putting Taeja on the same level as MVP.
And why is this hardest tournament in the world? Who decides that? You? Blizzcon was the hardest and he smashed both soO and innovation, and kespa got wrecked there... 1 in top 4, 0 in finals
He just doesnt like this type of tournament, not because its "hard" but because he trains by playing ladder and opponents prepare for him! But in the end, its not same Taeja anymore, when he is in form, he wouldnt lose to this kind of play
Pure skill, Taeja is the best player there is... he just doesnt do any preparation for opponents and tries to play standard all the time, and people use it against him if they have time to prepare for him... i mean, soO, zest, solar, innovation, rain... all kind of people he beats and they all consider him great, one of the best... yet here he is bad because he cant win GSL... but its fine that kespa guys cant win any big tournament outside... those he won bunch... yet then its always some jetlag or tired excuse!
Pure skill? TaeJa is a gooddamn noob, end of story..
On January 16 2015 22:01 Heartland wrote: I admit it, Nazgul pays all of us writers in his blood money given by Azubu so we can hype his really bad players You found us out!
On January 16 2015 21:52 bartus88 wrote: Once again, when he plays in the hardest tournament in the world instead of some foreigner tournament, he fails to live up to the hype. Not very surprising.
Hopefully people will now finally stop putting Taeja on the same level as MVP.
And why is this hardest tournament in the world? Who decides that? You? Blizzcon was the hardest and he smashed both soO and innovation, and kespa got wrecked there... 1 in top 4, 0 in finals
He just doesnt like this type of tournament, not because its "hard" but because he trains by playing ladder and opponents prepare for him! But in the end, its not same Taeja anymore, when he is in form, he wouldnt lose to this kind of play
Pure skill, Taeja is the best player there is... he just doesnt do any preparation for opponents and tries to play standard all the time, and people use it against him if they have time to prepare for him... i mean, soO, zest, solar, innovation, rain... all kind of people he beats and they all consider him great, one of the best... yet here he is bad because he cant win GSL... but its fine that kespa guys cant win any big tournament outside... those he won bunch... yet then its always some jetlag or tired excuse!
Pure skill? TaeJa is a gooddamn noob, end of story..
Yea, hes a noob who won the most premier tournaments out of anyone. Do you even see how retarded your statemen tis?
On January 16 2015 21:52 bartus88 wrote: Once again, when he plays in the hardest tournament in the world instead of some foreigner tournament, he fails to live up to the hype. Not very surprising.
Hopefully people will now finally stop putting Taeja on the same level as MVP.
And why is this hardest tournament in the world? Who decides that? You? Blizzcon was the hardest and he smashed both soO and innovation, and kespa got wrecked there... 1 in top 4, 0 in finals
He just doesnt like this type of tournament, not because its "hard" but because he trains by playing ladder and opponents prepare for him! But in the end, its not same Taeja anymore, when he is in form, he wouldnt lose to this kind of play
Pure skill, Taeja is the best player there is... he just doesnt do any preparation for opponents and tries to play standard all the time, and people use it against him if they have time to prepare for him... i mean, soO, zest, solar, innovation, rain... all kind of people he beats and they all consider him great, one of the best... yet here he is bad because he cant win GSL... but its fine that kespa guys cant win any big tournament outside... those he won bunch... yet then its always some jetlag or tired excuse!
Pure skill? TaeJa is a gooddamn noob, end of story..
Who wouldn't be compared with the mighty TANGTANG?
On January 16 2015 21:52 bartus88 wrote: Once again, when he plays in the hardest tournament in the world instead of some foreigner tournament, he fails to live up to the hype. Not very surprising.
Hopefully people will now finally stop putting Taeja on the same level as MVP.
And why is this hardest tournament in the world? Who decides that? You? Blizzcon was the hardest and he smashed both soO and innovation, and kespa got wrecked there... 1 in top 4, 0 in finals
On January 16 2015 21:52 bartus88 wrote: Once again, when he plays in the hardest tournament in the world instead of some foreigner tournament, he fails to live up to the hype. Not very surprising.
Hopefully people will now finally stop putting Taeja on the same level as MVP.
And why is this hardest tournament in the world? Who decides that? You? Blizzcon was the hardest and he smashed both soO and innovation, and kespa got wrecked there... 1 in top 4, 0 in finals
He just doesnt like this type of tournament, not because its "hard" but because he trains by playing ladder and opponents prepare for him! But in the end, its not same Taeja anymore, when he is in form, he wouldnt lose to this kind of play
Pure skill, Taeja is the best player there is... he just doesnt do any preparation for opponents and tries to play standard all the time, and people use it against him if they have time to prepare for him... i mean, soO, zest, solar, innovation, rain... all kind of people he beats and they all consider him great, one of the best... yet here he is bad because he cant win GSL... but its fine that kespa guys cant win any big tournament outside... those he won bunch... yet then its always some jetlag or tired excuse!
Pure skill? TaeJa is a gooddamn noob, end of story..
Remind me to at least give you a warning when I get home
On January 16 2015 21:52 bartus88 wrote: Once again, when he plays in the hardest tournament in the world instead of some foreigner tournament, he fails to live up to the hype. Not very surprising.
Hopefully people will now finally stop putting Taeja on the same level as MVP.
And why is this hardest tournament in the world? Who decides that? You? Blizzcon was the hardest and he smashed both soO and innovation, and kespa got wrecked there... 1 in top 4, 0 in finals
He just doesnt like this type of tournament, not because its "hard" but because he trains by playing ladder and opponents prepare for him! But in the end, its not same Taeja anymore, when he is in form, he wouldnt lose to this kind of play
Pure skill, Taeja is the best player there is... he just doesnt do any preparation for opponents and tries to play standard all the time, and people use it against him if they have time to prepare for him... i mean, soO, zest, solar, innovation, rain... all kind of people he beats and they all consider him great, one of the best... yet here he is bad because he cant win GSL... but its fine that kespa guys cant win any big tournament outside... those he won bunch... yet then its always some jetlag or tired excuse!
Pure skill? TaeJa is a gooddamn noob, end of story..
Yea, hes a noob who won the most premier tournaments out of anyone. Do you even see how retarded your statemen tis?
Though he never won a big tourney, like Blizzcon, GSL, WCS or something, right? So he's pretty good at the 10 000 $ tourneys, but once it goes super serial he gets 3rd or 4th place at best
On January 16 2015 21:52 bartus88 wrote: Once again, when he plays in the hardest tournament in the world instead of some foreigner tournament, he fails to live up to the hype. Not very surprising.
Hopefully people will now finally stop putting Taeja on the same level as MVP.
Once again? Taeja was one of the very best last time he was in GSL, iirc 2 semifinals and 2 quarterfinals in the span of 5 seasons. And this was during BL-infestor era.
edit: or once again like in SSL and then now? Anyway I don't think it matters, Taeja is still one of the best we had last year, GSL or not.
I never said he was bad. Definitely top 10 of all time. I simply said he never lived up to the hype when playing the hardest tournaments. He performed terribly in WCS last year and TL still voted him player of the year. People constantly compare him to Mvp despite Mvp being undeniably better during his reign. He is an amazing player, but he gets way more praise than he deserves.
On January 16 2015 21:57 phagga wrote: Don't feed the trolls.
Yes, I'm obviously a troll and not just stating my opinion on a forum. Very clever.
Sorry, I misunderstood.
I still feel Taeja is at the level of Mvp. For the last ~3 years, there's not much time where he hasn't been considered one of the top players in the world. He's very consistent, and imo he has the results to back it up.
I see what you're saying though. A GSL win would put him at Mvp level for sure, if not above.
On January 16 2015 21:52 bartus88 wrote: Once again, when he plays in the hardest tournament in the world instead of some foreigner tournament, he fails to live up to the hype. Not very surprising.
Hopefully people will now finally stop putting Taeja on the same level as MVP.
And why is this hardest tournament in the world? Who decides that? You? Blizzcon was the hardest and he smashed both soO and innovation, and kespa got wrecked there... 1 in top 4, 0 in finals
He just doesnt like this type of tournament, not because its "hard" but because he trains by playing ladder and opponents prepare for him! But in the end, its not same Taeja anymore, when he is in form, he wouldnt lose to this kind of play
Pure skill, Taeja is the best player there is... he just doesnt do any preparation for opponents and tries to play standard all the time, and people use it against him if they have time to prepare for him... i mean, soO, zest, solar, innovation, rain... all kind of people he beats and they all consider him great, one of the best... yet here he is bad because he cant win GSL... but its fine that kespa guys cant win any big tournament outside... those he won bunch... yet then its always some jetlag or tired excuse!
Pure skill? TaeJa is a gooddamn noob, end of story..
BY FAR the best player by pure skill! And no, skill =/= skill... whoever thinks that is not a very smart person, cause if that was the case, Taeja would have won every game he ever played, then herO, zest, flash, life would also almost never lose! If some noob prepares build just for 1 map and just against 1 opponent and wins with it, he is not skilled, he is prepared... and if he faces someone else, he gets wrecked! That cant be skill
Throw all the best players in some tournament where you play against everyone Bo3, every day like 5-6 matches, each match win 3 points and i would bet that Taeja would be among the top, if not top... and half of those that do well in one GSL would be bottom, only the really skilled ones would be up, like zest, inno, life etc... because they wouldnt be able to prepare for every match and would maybe win 1st every day and then be bad in rest
On January 16 2015 21:52 bartus88 wrote: Once again, when he plays in the hardest tournament in the world instead of some foreigner tournament, he fails to live up to the hype. Not very surprising.
Hopefully people will now finally stop putting Taeja on the same level as MVP.
Once again? Taeja was one of the very best last time he was in GSL, iirc 2 semifinals and 2 quarterfinals in the span of 5 seasons. And this was during BL-infestor era.
edit: or once again like in SSL and then now? Anyway I don't think it matters, Taeja is still one of the best we had last year, GSL or not.
I never said he was bad. Definitely top 10 of all time. I simply said he never lived up to the hype when playing the hardest tournaments. He performed terribly in WCS last year and TL still voted him player of the year. People constantly compare him to Mvp despite Mvp being undeniably better during his reign. He is an amazing player, but he gets way more praise than he deserves.
On January 16 2015 21:57 phagga wrote: Don't feed the trolls.
Yes, I'm obviously a troll and not just stating my opinion on a forum. Very clever.
That post was pure bait, implying he achieved nothing impressive unless he gets easy opponents. Seriously, most of the bullshit people spew here just give me a headache. You don't like a player, that's your right. But at least inform yourself on what he achieved before claiming things that are obviously not true.
On January 16 2015 21:52 bartus88 wrote: Once again, when he plays in the hardest tournament in the world instead of some foreigner tournament, he fails to live up to the hype. Not very surprising.
Hopefully people will now finally stop putting Taeja on the same level as MVP.
Once again? Taeja was one of the very best last time he was in GSL, iirc 2 semifinals and 2 quarterfinals in the span of 5 seasons. And this was during BL-infestor era.
edit: or once again like in SSL and then now? Anyway I don't think it matters, Taeja is still one of the best we had last year, GSL or not.
I never said he was bad. Definitely top 10 of all time. I simply said he never lived up to the hype when playing the hardest tournaments. He performed terribly in WCS last year and TL still voted him player of the year. People constantly compare him to Mvp despite Mvp being undeniably better during his reign. He is an amazing player, but he gets way more praise than he deserves.
On January 16 2015 21:57 phagga wrote: Don't feed the trolls.
Yes, I'm obviously a troll and not just stating my opinion on a forum. Very clever.
Sorry, I misunderstood.
I still feel Taeja is at the level of Mvp. For the last ~3 years, there's not much time where he hasn't been considered one of the top players in the world. He's very consistent, and imo he has the results to back it up.
I see what you're saying though. A GSL win would put him at Mvp level for sure, if not above.
On January 16 2015 21:52 bartus88 wrote: Once again, when he plays in the hardest tournament in the world instead of some foreigner tournament, he fails to live up to the hype. Not very surprising.
Hopefully people will now finally stop putting Taeja on the same level as MVP.
Once again? Taeja was one of the very best last time he was in GSL, iirc 2 semifinals and 2 quarterfinals in the span of 5 seasons. And this was during BL-infestor era.
edit: or once again like in SSL and then now? Anyway I don't think it matters, Taeja is still one of the best we had last year, GSL or not.
Yeah broodlord infestor last for like 100 code S season and over 15 years .....
BL Infestor era was Season 5 2012 and Season 1 2013 and that is it. But yeah Taeja was really really good at the time, I'm not denying it It's just that many people speaks of BL/Infestor as if it was the whole Wings of Liberty era (if you weren't sorry, internet isn't always the best place to understand each others).
I use to love Taeja, I just think he is completly overhype nowdays.
On January 16 2015 21:52 bartus88 wrote: Once again, when he plays in the hardest tournament in the world instead of some foreigner tournament, he fails to live up to the hype. Not very surprising.
Hopefully people will now finally stop putting Taeja on the same level as MVP.
And why is this hardest tournament in the world? Who decides that? You? Blizzcon was the hardest and he smashed both soO and innovation, and kespa got wrecked there... 1 in top 4, 0 in finals
He just doesnt like this type of tournament, not because its "hard" but because he trains by playing ladder and opponents prepare for him! But in the end, its not same Taeja anymore, when he is in form, he wouldnt lose to this kind of play
Pure skill, Taeja is the best player there is... he just doesnt do any preparation for opponents and tries to play standard all the time, and people use it against him if they have time to prepare for him... i mean, soO, zest, solar, innovation, rain... all kind of people he beats and they all consider him great, one of the best... yet here he is bad because he cant win GSL... but its fine that kespa guys cant win any big tournament outside... those he won bunch... yet then its always some jetlag or tired excuse!
Pure skill? TaeJa is a gooddamn noob, end of story..
Remind me to at least give you a warning when I get home
On January 16 2015 21:52 bartus88 wrote: Once again, when he plays in the hardest tournament in the world instead of some foreigner tournament, he fails to live up to the hype. Not very surprising.
Hopefully people will now finally stop putting Taeja on the same level as MVP.
Once again? Taeja was one of the very best last time he was in GSL, iirc 2 semifinals and 2 quarterfinals in the span of 5 seasons. And this was during BL-infestor era.
edit: or once again like in SSL and then now? Anyway I don't think it matters, Taeja is still one of the best we had last year, GSL or not.
I never said he was bad. Definitely top 10 of all time. I simply said he never lived up to the hype when playing the hardest tournaments. He performed terribly in WCS last year and TL still voted him player of the year. People constantly compare him to Mvp despite Mvp being undeniably better during his reign. He is an amazing player, but he gets way more praise than he deserves.
On January 16 2015 21:57 phagga wrote: Don't feed the trolls.
Yes, I'm obviously a troll and not just stating my opinion on a forum. Very clever.
Sorry, I misunderstood.
I still feel Taeja is at the level of Mvp. For the last ~3 years, there's not much time where he hasn't been considered one of the top players in the world. He's very consistent, and imo he has the results to back it up.
I see what you're saying though. A GSL win would put him at Mvp level for sure, if not above.
You might want to rethink what you said there
First line is just me, second rest (or at least most) of the community!
On topic: Hope Curious can take this one back, would love to see more of him this year.
On January 16 2015 21:52 bartus88 wrote: Once again, when he plays in the hardest tournament in the world instead of some foreigner tournament, he fails to live up to the hype. Not very surprising.
Hopefully people will now finally stop putting Taeja on the same level as MVP.
And why is this hardest tournament in the world? Who decides that? You? Blizzcon was the hardest and he smashed both soO and innovation, and kespa got wrecked there... 1 in top 4, 0 in finals
He just doesnt like this type of tournament, not because its "hard" but because he trains by playing ladder and opponents prepare for him! But in the end, its not same Taeja anymore, when he is in form, he wouldnt lose to this kind of play
Pure skill, Taeja is the best player there is... he just doesnt do any preparation for opponents and tries to play standard all the time, and people use it against him if they have time to prepare for him... i mean, soO, zest, solar, innovation, rain... all kind of people he beats and they all consider him great, one of the best... yet here he is bad because he cant win GSL... but its fine that kespa guys cant win any big tournament outside... those he won bunch... yet then its always some jetlag or tired excuse!
Pure skill? TaeJa is a gooddamn noob, end of story..
Remind me to at least give you a warning when I get home
On January 16 2015 21:52 bartus88 wrote: Once again, when he plays in the hardest tournament in the world instead of some foreigner tournament, he fails to live up to the hype. Not very surprising.
Hopefully people will now finally stop putting Taeja on the same level as MVP.
And why is this hardest tournament in the world? Who decides that? You? Blizzcon was the hardest and he smashed both soO and innovation, and kespa got wrecked there... 1 in top 4, 0 in finals
He just doesnt like this type of tournament, not because its "hard" but because he trains by playing ladder and opponents prepare for him! But in the end, its not same Taeja anymore, when he is in form, he wouldnt lose to this kind of play
Pure skill, Taeja is the best player there is... he just doesnt do any preparation for opponents and tries to play standard all the time, and people use it against him if they have time to prepare for him... i mean, soO, zest, solar, innovation, rain... all kind of people he beats and they all consider him great, one of the best... yet here he is bad because he cant win GSL... but its fine that kespa guys cant win any big tournament outside... those he won bunch... yet then its always some jetlag or tired excuse!
Pure skill? TaeJa is a gooddamn noob, end of story..
Last one Remind me to at least give you a warning when I get home
On January 16 2015 21:52 bartus88 wrote: Once again, when he plays in the hardest tournament in the world instead of some foreigner tournament, he fails to live up to the hype. Not very surprising.
Hopefully people will now finally stop putting Taeja on the same level as MVP.
And why is this hardest tournament in the world? Who decides that? You? Blizzcon was the hardest and he smashed both soO and innovation, and kespa got wrecked there... 1 in top 4, 0 in finals
He just doesnt like this type of tournament, not because its "hard" but because he trains by playing ladder and opponents prepare for him! But in the end, its not same Taeja anymore, when he is in form, he wouldnt lose to this kind of play
Pure skill, Taeja is the best player there is... he just doesnt do any preparation for opponents and tries to play standard all the time, and people use it against him if they have time to prepare for him... i mean, soO, zest, solar, innovation, rain... all kind of people he beats and they all consider him great, one of the best... yet here he is bad because he cant win GSL... but its fine that kespa guys cant win any big tournament outside... those he won bunch... yet then its always some jetlag or tired excuse!
Pure skill? TaeJa is a gooddamn noob, end of story..
Remind me to at least give you a warning when I get home
On January 16 2015 21:52 bartus88 wrote: Once again, when he plays in the hardest tournament in the world instead of some foreigner tournament, he fails to live up to the hype. Not very surprising.
Hopefully people will now finally stop putting Taeja on the same level as MVP.
And why is this hardest tournament in the world? Who decides that? You? Blizzcon was the hardest and he smashed both soO and innovation, and kespa got wrecked there... 1 in top 4, 0 in finals
He just doesnt like this type of tournament, not because its "hard" but because he trains by playing ladder and opponents prepare for him! But in the end, its not same Taeja anymore, when he is in form, he wouldnt lose to this kind of play
Pure skill, Taeja is the best player there is... he just doesnt do any preparation for opponents and tries to play standard all the time, and people use it against him if they have time to prepare for him... i mean, soO, zest, solar, innovation, rain... all kind of people he beats and they all consider him great, one of the best... yet here he is bad because he cant win GSL... but its fine that kespa guys cant win any big tournament outside... those he won bunch... yet then its always some jetlag or tired excuse!
Pure skill? TaeJa is a gooddamn noob, end of story..
Remind me to at least give you a warning when I get home
Hi Olli :D
Heyhey, any good games so far?
Terminator played well and herO against Curious was fine as well.
On January 16 2015 21:52 bartus88 wrote: Once again, when he plays in the hardest tournament in the world instead of some foreigner tournament, he fails to live up to the hype. Not very surprising.
Hopefully people will now finally stop putting Taeja on the same level as MVP.
And why is this hardest tournament in the world? Who decides that? You? Blizzcon was the hardest and he smashed both soO and innovation, and kespa got wrecked there... 1 in top 4, 0 in finals
He just doesnt like this type of tournament, not because its "hard" but because he trains by playing ladder and opponents prepare for him! But in the end, its not same Taeja anymore, when he is in form, he wouldnt lose to this kind of play
Pure skill, Taeja is the best player there is... he just doesnt do any preparation for opponents and tries to play standard all the time, and people use it against him if they have time to prepare for him... i mean, soO, zest, solar, innovation, rain... all kind of people he beats and they all consider him great, one of the best... yet here he is bad because he cant win GSL... but its fine that kespa guys cant win any big tournament outside... those he won bunch... yet then its always some jetlag or tired excuse!
Pure skill? TaeJa is a gooddamn noob, end of story..
Remind me to at least give you a warning when I get home
Hi Olli :D
Heyhey, any good games so far?
Terminator played well and herO against Curious was fine as well.
On January 16 2015 22:15 Heartland wrote: wow, did he just kill larvae? Swwwweeeeeeeeet
Yes, Oracle does "magic" damage so it ignores the armor of larvae. It is pretty sick when larvae is on the side away from spore. It pisses of many zergs on ladder and it is easier to kill than droens, they cannot run, mwahahahahahahaha!
On January 16 2015 21:52 bartus88 wrote: Once again, when he plays in the hardest tournament in the world instead of some foreigner tournament, he fails to live up to the hype. Not very surprising.
Hopefully people will now finally stop putting Taeja on the same level as MVP.
And why is this hardest tournament in the world? Who decides that? You? Blizzcon was the hardest and he smashed both soO and innovation, and kespa got wrecked there... 1 in top 4, 0 in finals
He just doesnt like this type of tournament, not because its "hard" but because he trains by playing ladder and opponents prepare for him! But in the end, its not same Taeja anymore, when he is in form, he wouldnt lose to this kind of play
Pure skill, Taeja is the best player there is... he just doesnt do any preparation for opponents and tries to play standard all the time, and people use it against him if they have time to prepare for him... i mean, soO, zest, solar, innovation, rain... all kind of people he beats and they all consider him great, one of the best... yet here he is bad because he cant win GSL... but its fine that kespa guys cant win any big tournament outside... those he won bunch... yet then its always some jetlag or tired excuse!
Pure skill? TaeJa is a gooddamn noob, end of story..
Remind me to at least give you a warning when I get home
Hi Olli :D
Heyhey, any good games so far?
Terminator played well and herO against Curious was fine as well.
On January 16 2015 22:15 Heartland wrote: wow, did he just kill larvae? Swwwweeeeeeeeet
Yes, Oracle does "magic" damage so it ignores the armor of larvae. It is pretty sick when larvae is on the side away from spore. It pisses of many zergs on ladder and it is easier to kill than droens, they cannot run, mwahahahahahahaha!
On January 16 2015 21:52 bartus88 wrote: Once again, when he plays in the hardest tournament in the world instead of some foreigner tournament, he fails to live up to the hype. Not very surprising.
Hopefully people will now finally stop putting Taeja on the same level as MVP.
Once again? Taeja was one of the very best last time he was in GSL, iirc 2 semifinals and 2 quarterfinals in the span of 5 seasons. And this was during BL-infestor era.
edit: or once again like in SSL and then now? Anyway I don't think it matters, Taeja is still one of the best we had last year, GSL or not.
I never said he was bad. Definitely top 10 of all time. I simply said he never lived up to the hype when playing the hardest tournaments. He performed terribly in WCS last year and TL still voted him player of the year. People constantly compare him to Mvp despite Mvp being undeniably better during his reign. He is an amazing player, but he gets way more praise than he deserves.
On January 16 2015 21:57 phagga wrote: Don't feed the trolls.
Yes, I'm obviously a troll and not just stating my opinion on a forum. Very clever.
That post was pure bait, implying he achieved nothing impressive unless he gets easy opponents. Seriously, most of the bullshit people spew here just give me a headache. You don't like a player, that's your right. But at least inform yourself on what he achieved before claiming things that are obviously not true.
Before you make yourself look like even more of a fool: reread my post. I never said anything about Teaja being bad, Literally the only quantifiable statement I made is that he is not as great as Mvp, i.e. not the best ever. I didn't imply anything, that's a straw man. Read the article, you can learn from it. Your post is really unintelligent, especially accusing me of shit-posting. I'm going back to lurking like I did the first few years in this site. This is not worth my time.
On January 16 2015 22:15 Heartland wrote: wow, did he just kill larvae? Swwwweeeeeeeeet
Yes, Oracle does "magic" damage so it ignores the armor of larvae. It is pretty sick when larvae is on the side away from spore. It pisses of many zergs on ladder and it is easier to kill than droens, they cannot run, mwahahahahahahaha!
neat trick ^^ I will start doing it
It's stronger the more lower league you play since zerg is more missing his injects
Also, classic herO with multiple "drops" at the time against SH! Neat!
On January 16 2015 21:52 bartus88 wrote: Once again, when he plays in the hardest tournament in the world instead of some foreigner tournament, he fails to live up to the hype. Not very surprising.
Hopefully people will now finally stop putting Taeja on the same level as MVP.
Once again? Taeja was one of the very best last time he was in GSL, iirc 2 semifinals and 2 quarterfinals in the span of 5 seasons. And this was during BL-infestor era.
edit: or once again like in SSL and then now? Anyway I don't think it matters, Taeja is still one of the best we had last year, GSL or not.
I never said he was bad. Definitely top 10 of all time. I simply said he never lived up to the hype when playing the hardest tournaments. He performed terribly in WCS last year and TL still voted him player of the year. People constantly compare him to Mvp despite Mvp being undeniably better during his reign. He is an amazing player, but he gets way more praise than he deserves.
On January 16 2015 21:57 phagga wrote: Don't feed the trolls.
Yes, I'm obviously a troll and not just stating my opinion on a forum. Very clever.
That post was pure bait, implying he achieved nothing impressive unless he gets easy opponents. Seriously, most of the bullshit people spew here just give me a headache. You don't like a player, that's your right. But at least inform yourself on what he achieved before claiming things that are obviously not true.
Before you make yourself look like even more of a fool: reread my post. I never said anything about Teaja being bad, Literally the only quantifiable statement I made is that he is not as great as Mvp, i.e. not the best ever. I didn't imply anything, that's a straw man. Read the article, you can learn from it. Your post is really unintelligent, especially accusing me of shit-posting. I'm going back to lurking like I did the first few years in this site. This is not worth my time.
I overreacted when I called you a troll, please accept my apology. For the rest I'll send you a PM.
On January 16 2015 22:24 deacon.frost wrote: I would rather take my chances in TvP against herO than ZvP. oO This looked so one sided... well played herO!
I don't like Curious approach to the matchup though. Too few drones, too many swarm hosts, too many hydras.
On January 16 2015 22:24 deacon.frost wrote: I would rather take my chances in TvP against herO than ZvP. oO This looked so one sided... well played herO!
I don't like Curious approach to the matchup though. Too few drones, too many swarm hosts, too many hydras.
On January 16 2015 22:24 deacon.frost wrote: I would rather take my chances in TvP against herO than ZvP. oO This looked so one sided... well played herO!
I don't like Curious approach to the matchup though. Too few drones, too many swarm hosts, too many hydras.
Is that possible?
Yes. Against Terminator he had ~25. Had he had ~15, he could have had like 15more hydras to defend against the zealot warpins and stalkers and killed the topleft base which his corruptors scouted, but he had no units or free supply to dedicate to killing it.
I don't understand when players feel like they have to explain themselves to fans. Seems like they put added pressure on themselves. True fans will support you either way.
Wow Terminator came first out of that group? Thats pretty impressive. How did he play? Throwing cheeses arround or just all arround good play? And well wouldnt be a real GSL if Taeja didnt drop out early and in disappointing fashion :p
On January 16 2015 23:14 BlackCompany wrote: Wow Terminator came first out of that group? Thats pretty impressive. How did he play? Throwing cheeses arround or just all arround good play? And well wouldnt be a real GSL if Taeja didnt drop out early and in disappointing fashion :p
I think thats the first GSL in which this has ever happened...
On January 16 2015 23:14 BlackCompany wrote: Wow Terminator came first out of that group? Thats pretty impressive. How did he play? Throwing cheeses arround or just all arround good play? And well wouldnt be a real GSL if Taeja didnt drop out early and in disappointing fashion :p
I think thats the first GSL in which this has ever happened...
Nope, TaeJa has dropped out of the GSL in the RO32 3 previous times: GSL Oct 2011 GSL Nov 2011 GSL Season 5 2012
On January 16 2015 23:14 BlackCompany wrote: Wow Terminator came first out of that group? Thats pretty impressive. How did he play? Throwing cheeses arround or just all arround good play? And well wouldnt be a real GSL if Taeja didnt drop out early and in disappointing fashion :p
I think thats the first GSL in which this has ever happened...
I believe so. But I guess it is just that time of the year where Taeja does not play that well. Give him a few months and he is gonna win everything till the end of summer :D
On January 16 2015 23:14 BlackCompany wrote: Wow Terminator came first out of that group? Thats pretty impressive. How did he play? Throwing cheeses arround or just all arround good play? And well wouldnt be a real GSL if Taeja didnt drop out early and in disappointing fashion :p
I think thats the first GSL in which this has ever happened...
Really? Wtf who am i thinking of then lol Didnt Taeja try his luck in earlier GSLs and lost early aswell? If not then i take that back ofc, must be thinking of someone else then...
Upsets everywhere. Terminator beating not only one but two top players? What? Curious somehow managing to beat the host Terran ever? What? I'm pretty sure the only reason taeja lost is because of his wrist. If his wrists was in good form, he would not have been upset by hero and curious.
On January 16 2015 23:22 swag_bro wrote: Upsets everywhere. Terminator beating not only one but two top players? What? Curious somehow managing to beat the host Terran ever? What? I'm pretty sure the only reason taeja lost is because of his wrist. If his wrists was in good form, he would not have been upset by hero and curious.
On January 16 2015 23:14 BlackCompany wrote: Wow Terminator came first out of that group? Thats pretty impressive. How did he play? Throwing cheeses arround or just all arround good play? And well wouldnt be a real GSL if Taeja didnt drop out early and in disappointing fashion :p
I think thats the first GSL in which this has ever happened...
Yeah dunno how this legend about Taeja being bad in code S came from, it's not like he's the only good palyer to never have won it... and has 2 top 4 finishes afaik which is not so bad.
On January 16 2015 23:22 swag_bro wrote: Upsets everywhere. Terminator beating not only one but two top players? What? Curious somehow managing to beat the host Terran ever? What? I'm pretty sure the only reason taeja lost is because of his wrist. If his wrists was in good form, he would not have been upset by hero and curious.
terminator had already beaten Teaja in the NSSL (or whatever you call it) qualifiers.
Against Curious he decided to go for 3 baes heavy agression, maybe being a bit more patient and try and play on 4 base would have worked better?
But Curious played well with deadly runbyes that reminded everybody that he's Life's team mate.
On January 16 2015 23:14 BlackCompany wrote: Wow Terminator came first out of that group? Thats pretty impressive. How did he play? Throwing cheeses arround or just all arround good play? And well wouldnt be a real GSL if Taeja didnt drop out early and in disappointing fashion :p
I think thats the first GSL in which this has ever happened...
Really? Wtf who am i thinking of then lol Didnt Taeja try his luck in earlier GSLs and lost early aswell? If not then i take that back ofc, must be thinking of someone else then...
On January 16 2015 23:14 BlackCompany wrote: Wow Terminator came first out of that group? Thats pretty impressive. How did he play? Throwing cheeses arround or just all arround good play? And well wouldnt be a real GSL if Taeja didnt drop out early and in disappointing fashion :p
I think thats the first GSL in which this has ever happened...
Really? Wtf who am i thinking of then lol Didnt Taeja try his luck in earlier GSLs and lost early aswell? If not then i take that back ofc, must be thinking of someone else then...
You are thinking of flash lol
I am definitly not thinking of Flash. But yeah, it would fit. Maybe i just rememmbered Taejas early defeats and not his ro4 runs so thats why i thought of him.
On January 17 2015 00:13 klup wrote: Lol the Taeja hate is real in this thread.
Too bad he didn't succeed his games are tons of fun to watch.
Hate? More like some guys are "happy" that he fails to deliver considering his fanboys think he is the greatest starcraft player ever (which he is not, not even close to...)
On January 17 2015 00:19 Ej_ wrote: I see Taeja already dropping early in the real competitive scene and not matching the titanic runs up to ro16 of the likes of Flash.
Taeja will never, ever win a GSL (especially nowadays due KESPA players). That's not even hard to understanding...just look at the history...has he ever won a GSL? nope...LOL. And back then there were far easier korean players to compete against.
Here are two simple reasons blind fans think he is the best player (haha, that is funny): 1) He goes to and wins so many international tournaments (whoopie doo, barely any pro koreans there) 2) He does well in random games and non-preparation matches (he gets wrecked in preparation matches...SSL & GSLs)
I'm definitely not surprised he is the loser in this group. No hate on Taeja here but his blinded fans sure fell for the TeamLiquid Hype. I wouldn't be surprised if TeamLiquid will write an article to come up with excuses for Taeja's loss.
GSL is for the big boys...today Taeja proved he doesn't belong in Code S. I'd say he is Code A level but he will also need to prove he belongs there (just like any other korean pros). No hate on Taeja here...just giving a big wake up slap to his blinded fans for falling for the TeamLiquid hype.
On January 17 2015 00:30 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote: Taeja will never, ever win a GSL (especially nowadays due KESPA players). That's not even hard to understanding...just look at the history...has he ever won a GSL? nope...LOL. And back then there were far easier korean players to compete against.
Here are two simple reasons blind fans think he is the best player (haha, that is funny): 1) He goes to and wins so many international tournaments (whoopie doo, barely any pro koreans there) 2) He does well in random games and non-preparation matches (he gets wrecked in preparation matches...SSL & GSLs)
I'm definitely not surprised he is the loser in this group. No hate on Taeja here but his blinded fans sure fell for the TeamLiquid Hype. I wouldn't be surprised if TeamLiquid will write an article to come up with excuses for Taeja's loss.
GSL is for the big boys...today Taeja proved he doesn't belong in Code S. I'd say he is Code A level but he will also need to prove he belongs there (just like any other korean pros). No hate on Taeja here...just giving a big wake up slap to his blinded fans for falling for the TeamLiquid hype.
Oh please. Two of the best Kespa Players from last year did not even make it to Code S or to challenger in SSL. Everyone knows Taeja is not good when it comes to preparation matches. Skillwise he is one of THE best. Kespa Koreans tried playing weekend tournaments and most of them failed. Sure they do not play many, but when they do they are not really great.
Sure Taeja sometimes is overhyped but his doubters downplay his talent way too much too. If it would have been that easy for Kespa Koreans why didn´t Innovation win every weekend tournament he attended even though he was doing very well in Korea. Hell at the Dreamhack Finals in Bucharest he got beaten by Taeja. soO lost to Taeja. Fucking Zest lost to Taeja. He won vs sOs and beat Life many times. When it comes to Skill Taeja BELONGS into Code S. Him losing today does not really say too much because like I said two of the biggest names one of them actually winning Code S season 1 last year and the other being in 4 GSL finals in a row didnt even make the qualifers
Taeja on form can beat anyone. Is he the best sc2 player ever? No. Maybe we could start arguing about who is the best Sc2 Player when SC3 comes out.
The Taeja hate is unfounded -- he's proven before he can go the distance and GSL and has made semi-finals before. I think the biggest issue with Taeja is just discipline. He often seems like he can get wrapped up in his own talent at the game so he goes into matches thinking he doesn't need extra practice or preparation which leads to his dismantling. If Taeja was back on a team with a full-time coach and training regimen, I wonder how he would fare.
On January 17 2015 00:30 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote: Taeja will never, ever win a GSL (especially nowadays due KESPA players). That's not even hard to understanding...just look at the history...has he ever won a GSL? nope...LOL. And back then there were far easier korean players to compete against.
Here are two simple reasons blind fans think he is the best player (haha, that is funny): 1) He goes to and wins so many international tournaments (whoopie doo, barely any pro koreans there) 2) He does well in random games and non-preparation matches (he gets wrecked in preparation matches...SSL & GSLs)
I'm definitely not surprised he is the loser in this group. No hate on Taeja here but his blinded fans sure fell for the TeamLiquid Hype. I wouldn't be surprised if TeamLiquid will write an article to come up with excuses for Taeja's loss.
GSL is for the big boys...today Taeja proved he doesn't belong in Code S. I'd say he is Code A level but he will also need to prove he belongs there (just like any other korean pros). No hate on Taeja here...just giving a big wake up slap to his blinded fans for falling for the TeamLiquid hype.
Oh please. Two of the best Kespa Players from last year did not even make it to Code S or to challenger in SSL. Everyone knows Taeja is not good when it comes to preparation matches. Skillwise he is one of THE best. Kespa Koreans tried playing weekend tournaments and most of them failed. Sure they do not play many, but when they do they are not really great.
Sure Taeja sometimes is overhyped but his doubters downplay his talent way too much too. If it would have been that easy for Kespa Koreans why didn´t Innovation win every weekend tournament he attended even though he was doing very well in Korea. Hell at the Dreamhack Finals in Bucharest he got beaten by Taeja. soO lost to Taeja. Fucking Zest lost to Taeja. He won vs sOs and beat Life many times. When it comes to Skill Taeja BELONGS into Code S. Him losing today does not really say too much because like I said two of the biggest names one of them actually winning Code S season 1 last year and the other being in 4 GSL finals in a row didnt even make the qualifers
Taeja on form can beat anyone. Is he the best sc2 player ever? No. Maybe we could start arguing about who is the best Sc2 Player when SC3 comes out.
Oh please.If you're not good in preparation matches...then how will you ever do well in the biggest and hardest tournament of SC2 (namely, GSL)? Might as well just stick to playing online random matches and international spring marathon tournaments...lol. (which is what TeamLiquid did to build up Taeja "Hype Train")
Your quote: "Taeja on form can beat anyone." So are you saying Taeja was not on form last night for the GSL? Well I can say the same when soO, Zest, and Innovation lost to him...they were not on form. What's your point? o.O
Here's the thing .don't make excuses for any of their losses. They lose and move on, that's it. If they played badly and were not on form...then how are they the best player?
There is no best player in SC2 since the game itself is..lets say nothing compared to Brood War. To be considered the best overall in SC2 you must be a Consistent player...so far...Taeja proved he is not consistent.
On January 16 2015 23:14 BlackCompany wrote: Wow Terminator came first out of that group? Thats pretty impressive. How did he play? Throwing cheeses arround or just all arround good play? And well wouldnt be a real GSL if Taeja didnt drop out early and in disappointing fashion :p
On January 17 2015 00:30 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote: Taeja will never, ever win a GSL (especially nowadays due KESPA players). That's not even hard to understanding...just look at the history...has he ever won a GSL? nope...LOL. And back then there were far easier korean players to compete against.
Here are two simple reasons blind fans think he is the best player (haha, that is funny): 1) He goes to and wins so many international tournaments (whoopie doo, barely any pro koreans there) 2) He does well in random games and non-preparation matches (he gets wrecked in preparation matches...SSL & GSLs)
I'm definitely not surprised he is the loser in this group. No hate on Taeja here but his blinded fans sure fell for the TeamLiquid Hype. I wouldn't be surprised if TeamLiquid will write an article to come up with excuses for Taeja's loss.
GSL is for the big boys...today Taeja proved he doesn't belong in Code S. I'd say he is Code A level but he will also need to prove he belongs there (just like any other korean pros). No hate on Taeja here...just giving a big wake up slap to his blinded fans for falling for the TeamLiquid hype.
Oh please. Two of the best Kespa Players from last year did not even make it to Code S or to challenger in SSL. Everyone knows Taeja is not good when it comes to preparation matches. Skillwise he is one of THE best. Kespa Koreans tried playing weekend tournaments and most of them failed. Sure they do not play many, but when they do they are not really great.
Sure Taeja sometimes is overhyped but his doubters downplay his talent way too much too. If it would have been that easy for Kespa Koreans why didn´t Innovation win every weekend tournament he attended even though he was doing very well in Korea. Hell at the Dreamhack Finals in Bucharest he got beaten by Taeja. soO lost to Taeja. Fucking Zest lost to Taeja. He won vs sOs and beat Life many times. When it comes to Skill Taeja BELONGS into Code S. Him losing today does not really say too much because like I said two of the biggest names one of them actually winning Code S season 1 last year and the other being in 4 GSL finals in a row didnt even make the qualifers
Taeja on form can beat anyone. Is he the best sc2 player ever? No. Maybe we could start arguing about who is the best Sc2 Player when SC3 comes out.
Oh please.If you're not good in preparation matches...then how will you ever do well in the biggest and hardest tournament of SC2 (namely, GSL)? Might as well just stick to playing online random matches and international spring marathon tournaments...lol. (which is what TeamLiquid did to build up Taeja "Hype Train")
Your quote: "Taeja on form can beat anyone." So are you saying Taeja was not on form last night for the GSL? Well I can say the same when soO, Zest, and Innovation lost to him...they were not on form. What's your point? o.O
Here's the thing .don't make excuses for any of their losses. They lose and move on, that's it. If they played badly and were not on form...then how are they the best player?
There is no best player in SC2 since the game itself is..lets say nothing compared to Brood War. To be considered the best overall in SC2 you must be a Consistent player...so far...Taeja proved he is not consistent.
Even Flash got knocked out early in OSLs and MSLs in BW. Does that mean he isn't consistent?
On January 17 2015 00:30 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote: Taeja will never, ever win a GSL (especially nowadays due KESPA players). That's not even hard to understanding...just look at the history...has he ever won a GSL? nope...LOL. And back then there were far easier korean players to compete against.
Here are two simple reasons blind fans think he is the best player (haha, that is funny): 1) He goes to and wins so many international tournaments (whoopie doo, barely any pro koreans there) 2) He does well in random games and non-preparation matches (he gets wrecked in preparation matches...SSL & GSLs)
I'm definitely not surprised he is the loser in this group. No hate on Taeja here but his blinded fans sure fell for the TeamLiquid Hype. I wouldn't be surprised if TeamLiquid will write an article to come up with excuses for Taeja's loss.
GSL is for the big boys...today Taeja proved he doesn't belong in Code S. I'd say he is Code A level but he will also need to prove he belongs there (just like any other korean pros). No hate on Taeja here...just giving a big wake up slap to his blinded fans for falling for the TeamLiquid hype.
Oh please. Two of the best Kespa Players from last year did not even make it to Code S or to challenger in SSL. Everyone knows Taeja is not good when it comes to preparation matches. Skillwise he is one of THE best. Kespa Koreans tried playing weekend tournaments and most of them failed. Sure they do not play many, but when they do they are not really great.
Sure Taeja sometimes is overhyped but his doubters downplay his talent way too much too. If it would have been that easy for Kespa Koreans why didn´t Innovation win every weekend tournament he attended even though he was doing very well in Korea. Hell at the Dreamhack Finals in Bucharest he got beaten by Taeja. soO lost to Taeja. Fucking Zest lost to Taeja. He won vs sOs and beat Life many times. When it comes to Skill Taeja BELONGS into Code S. Him losing today does not really say too much because like I said two of the biggest names one of them actually winning Code S season 1 last year and the other being in 4 GSL finals in a row didnt even make the qualifers
Taeja on form can beat anyone. Is he the best sc2 player ever? No. Maybe we could start arguing about who is the best Sc2 Player when SC3 comes out.
Oh please.If you're not good in preparation matches...then how will you ever do well in the biggest and hardest tournament of SC2 (namely, GSL)? Might as well just stick to playing online random matches and international spring marathon tournaments...lol. (which is what TeamLiquid did to build up Taeja "Hype Train")
Your quote: "Taeja on form can beat anyone." So are you saying Taeja was not on form last night for the GSL? Well I can say the same when soO, Zest, and Innovation lost to him...they were not on form. What's your point? o.O
Here's the thing .don't make excuses for any of their losses. They lose and move on, that's it. If they played badly and were not on form...then how are they the best player?
There is no best player in SC2 since the game itself is..lets say nothing compared to Brood War. To be considered the best overall in SC2 you must be a Consistent player...so far...Taeja proved he is not consistent.
Taeja is one of THE consistent players in Sc2 winning Tournaments and beating Koreans Koreigners and Foreigners.
I never said Taeja had a bad day, but I have seen him play better. And YES soO and Zest may have had bad days in the qualifiers but I used them as an example for the Taeja lost in Round of 32 so he does not belong in Code S. If we look at it from your perspective both do not belong there too if they do not even make the qualifiers. They could be also just bad at playing against random people without preparation.
I never made excuses for Taeja or said he is the best player. Just that he is one of the best. I said he played bad. What I said is just by looking at his skill he DOES belong into Code S. His weakness not preparing well for Opponents is not something that cannot be corrected
On January 17 2015 00:30 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote: Taeja will never, ever win a GSL (especially nowadays due KESPA players). That's not even hard to understanding...just look at the history...has he ever won a GSL? nope...LOL. And back then there were far easier korean players to compete against.
Here are two simple reasons blind fans think he is the best player (haha, that is funny): 1) He goes to and wins so many international tournaments (whoopie doo, barely any pro koreans there) 2) He does well in random games and non-preparation matches (he gets wrecked in preparation matches...SSL & GSLs)
I'm definitely not surprised he is the loser in this group. No hate on Taeja here but his blinded fans sure fell for the TeamLiquid Hype. I wouldn't be surprised if TeamLiquid will write an article to come up with excuses for Taeja's loss.
GSL is for the big boys...today Taeja proved he doesn't belong in Code S. I'd say he is Code A level but he will also need to prove he belongs there (just like any other korean pros). No hate on Taeja here...just giving a big wake up slap to his blinded fans for falling for the TeamLiquid hype.
Oh please. Two of the best Kespa Players from last year did not even make it to Code S or to challenger in SSL. Everyone knows Taeja is not good when it comes to preparation matches. Skillwise he is one of THE best. Kespa Koreans tried playing weekend tournaments and most of them failed. Sure they do not play many, but when they do they are not really great.
Sure Taeja sometimes is overhyped but his doubters downplay his talent way too much too. If it would have been that easy for Kespa Koreans why didn´t Innovation win every weekend tournament he attended even though he was doing very well in Korea. Hell at the Dreamhack Finals in Bucharest he got beaten by Taeja. soO lost to Taeja. Fucking Zest lost to Taeja. He won vs sOs and beat Life many times. When it comes to Skill Taeja BELONGS into Code S. Him losing today does not really say too much because like I said two of the biggest names one of them actually winning Code S season 1 last year and the other being in 4 GSL finals in a row didnt even make the qualifers
Taeja on form can beat anyone. Is he the best sc2 player ever? No. Maybe we could start arguing about who is the best Sc2 Player when SC3 comes out.
Oh please.If you're not good in preparation matches...then how will you ever do well in the biggest and hardest tournament of SC2 (namely, GSL)? Might as well just stick to playing online random matches and international spring marathon tournaments...lol. (which is what TeamLiquid did to build up Taeja "Hype Train")
Your quote: "Taeja on form can beat anyone." So are you saying Taeja was not on form last night for the GSL? Well I can say the same when soO, Zest, and Innovation lost to him...they were not on form. What's your point? o.O
Here's the thing .don't make excuses for any of their losses. They lose and move on, that's it. If they played badly and were not on form...then how are they the best player?
There is no best player in SC2 since the game itself is..lets say nothing compared to Brood War. To be considered the best overall in SC2 you must be a Consistent player...so far...Taeja proved he is not consistent.
Even Flash got knocked out early in OSLs and MSLs in BW. Does that mean he isn't consistent?
Flash was a God in Brood War (since he doesn't play it anymore!). But because SC2 is a completely different game and based on Flash most recent results..I don't considered him consistent. He is around average I think. Jaedong was also a god in Brood War..in SC2 he is ehh..mediocore.
On January 16 2015 23:14 BlackCompany wrote: Wow Terminator came first out of that group? Thats pretty impressive. How did he play? Throwing cheeses arround or just all arround good play? And well wouldnt be a real GSL if Taeja didnt drop out early and in disappointing fashion :p
How's Flash doing?
I was writing a really long post (and yes that included how Flash sucks atm), then i realized i dont give a fuck what you think so.. yeah.
On January 16 2015 23:14 BlackCompany wrote: Wow Terminator came first out of that group? Thats pretty impressive. How did he play? Throwing cheeses arround or just all arround good play? And well wouldnt be a real GSL if Taeja didnt drop out early and in disappointing fashion :p
How's Flash doing?
I was writing a really long post (and yes that included how Flash sucks atm), then i realized i dont give a fuck what you think so.. yeah.
:D arguing on the internet - you learned your lesson.
However, results like this, proved that the whole whining about terrans being imba right now is wrong (not saying anything is imba right now, just also not terran)
On January 16 2015 23:14 BlackCompany wrote: Wow Terminator came first out of that group? Thats pretty impressive. How did he play? Throwing cheeses arround or just all arround good play? And well wouldnt be a real GSL if Taeja didnt drop out early and in disappointing fashion :p
How's Flash doing?
I was writing a really long post (and yes that included how Flash sucks atm), then i realized i dont give a fuck what you think so.. yeah.
:D arguing on the internet - you learned your lesson.
However, results like this, proved that the whole whining about terrans being imba right now is wrong (not saying anything is imba right now, just also not terran)
Ya, you learn one or two things when you are using internet for 8+ years I dont think Flashs results proove anything though, he hasnt been a world class terran for quite some time and failed 2 raxes/30 minutes of camping arent exactly the standard TvZ games
Edit: not saying T is OP or anything, i just dont think Flashs games proove anything
On January 17 2015 02:01 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote: You want true consistency who can perform both well in marathon and preparation matches?
Here's a short list: CJ.herO (the real hero) Rain soO Zest Parting sOs Life maybe Innovation
If you don't do well in preparation matches and especially GSL in SC2...forget it. You ain't consistent.
I fail to see how preparation like strategies to counter player X, special cheeses or map abusing technics make xou more "consistent" than having superior mechanics, better understanding of the game and on-the-fly decision making ( this is what should prevail in weekend tournaments). Now i am not saying preparation matches dont need all of this, but still... why does it make you more consistant if you can plan for your opponent? Consitency is being able to play at top level no matter what.
On January 17 2015 02:01 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote: You want true consistency who can perform both well in marathon and preparation matches?
Here's a short list: CJ.herO (the real hero) Rain soO Zest Parting sOs Life maybe Innovation
If you don't do well in preparation matches and especially GSL in SC2...forget it. You ain't consistent.
I fail to see how preparation like strategies to counter player X, special cheeses or map abusing technics make xou more "consistent" than having superior mechanics, better understanding of the game and on-the-fly decision making ( this is what should prevail in weekend tournaments). Now i am not saying preparation matches dont need all of this, but still... why does it make you more consistant if you can plan for your opponent? Consitency is being able to play at top level no matter what.
That's not really the point. I'd agree that most of the players listed in the post are quite good in preparation matches AND weekend tournaments. Not too sure about soO, but whatever.
On January 17 2015 02:01 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote: You want true consistency who can perform both well in marathon and preparation matches?
Here's a short list: CJ.herO (the real hero) Rain soO Zest Parting sOs Life maybe Innovation
If you don't do well in preparation matches and especially GSL in SC2...forget it. You ain't consistent.
I fail to see how preparation like strategies to counter player X, special cheeses or map abusing technics make xou more "consistent" than having superior mechanics, better understanding of the game and on-the-fly decision making ( this is what should prevail in weekend tournaments). Now i am not saying preparation matches dont need all of this, but still... why does it make you more consistant if you can plan for your opponent? Consitency is being able to play at top level no matter what.
That's not really the point. I'd agree that most of the players listed in the post are quite good in preparation matches AND weekend tournaments. Not too sure about soO, but whatever.
Thats true, that was what i was argueing aswell: You should do well in both. If that was the inital point then yes, i agree.
On January 17 2015 00:30 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote: Taeja will never, ever win a GSL (especially nowadays due KESPA players). That's not even hard to understanding...just look at the history...has he ever won a GSL? nope...LOL. And back then there were far easier korean players to compete against.
Here are two simple reasons blind fans think he is the best player (haha, that is funny): 1) He goes to and wins so many international tournaments (whoopie doo, barely any pro koreans there) 2) He does well in random games and non-preparation matches (he gets wrecked in preparation matches...SSL & GSLs)
I'm definitely not surprised he is the loser in this group. No hate on Taeja here but his blinded fans sure fell for the TeamLiquid Hype. I wouldn't be surprised if TeamLiquid will write an article to come up with excuses for Taeja's loss.
GSL is for the big boys...today Taeja proved he doesn't belong in Code S. I'd say he is Code A level but he will also need to prove he belongs there (just like any other korean pros). No hate on Taeja here...just giving a big wake up slap to his blinded fans for falling for the TeamLiquid hype.
Oh please. Two of the best Kespa Players from last year did not even make it to Code S or to challenger in SSL. Everyone knows Taeja is not good when it comes to preparation matches. Skillwise he is one of THE best. Kespa Koreans tried playing weekend tournaments and most of them failed. Sure they do not play many, but when they do they are not really great.
Sure Taeja sometimes is overhyped but his doubters downplay his talent way too much too. If it would have been that easy for Kespa Koreans why didn´t Innovation win every weekend tournament he attended even though he was doing very well in Korea. Hell at the Dreamhack Finals in Bucharest he got beaten by Taeja. soO lost to Taeja. Fucking Zest lost to Taeja. He won vs sOs and beat Life many times. When it comes to Skill Taeja BELONGS into Code S. Him losing today does not really say too much because like I said two of the biggest names one of them actually winning Code S season 1 last year and the other being in 4 GSL finals in a row didnt even make the qualifers
Taeja on form can beat anyone. Is he the best sc2 player ever? No. Maybe we could start arguing about who is the best Sc2 Player when SC3 comes out.
Oh please.If you're not good in preparation matches...then how will you ever do well in the biggest and hardest tournament of SC2 (namely, GSL)? Might as well just stick to playing online random matches and international spring marathon tournaments...lol. (which is what TeamLiquid did to build up Taeja "Hype Train")
Your quote: "Taeja on form can beat anyone." So are you saying Taeja was not on form last night for the GSL? Well I can say the same when soO, Zest, and Innovation lost to him...they were not on form. What's your point? o.O
Here's the thing .don't make excuses for any of their losses. They lose and move on, that's it. If they played badly and were not on form...then how are they the best player?
There is no best player in SC2 since the game itself is..lets say nothing compared to Brood War. To be considered the best overall in SC2 you must be a Consistent player...so far...Taeja proved he is not consistent.
Even Flash got knocked out early in OSLs and MSLs in BW. Does that mean he isn't consistent?
Flash was a God in Brood War (since he doesn't play it anymore!). But because SC2 is a completely different game and based on Flash most recent results..I don't considered him consistent. He is around average I think. Jaedong was also a god in Brood War..in SC2 he is ehh..mediocore.
I actually think Flash is really consistent. He either gets to the ro16 or loses straight away.
On January 17 2015 02:01 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote: You want true consistency who can perform both well in marathon and preparation matches?
Here's a short list: CJ.herO (the real hero) Rain soO Zest Parting sOs Life maybe Innovation
If you don't do well in preparation matches and especially GSL in SC2...forget it. You ain't consistent.
soO Zest sOs
all failed to make it to GSL, why are we putting Taeja up to a higher standard than them?
Hell Taeja has been way more consistent than sOs in terms of international tournaments, even if we just shorten the time period to when they were both playing at the same time.
Some are calling soo out based on him not making nssl and gsl. But that's the thing, the qualifiers for both is a marathon of matches against different player. It's like a weekend tournament.
In fact, I think soo is the polar opposite of Taeja. He excels at long best of formats when he has time to prepare for his opponents (except when it's the finals). Whereas Taeja comes up short when opponent had time to prepare against him. Remember pigbaby? If terminator and pigbaby were to meet Taeja in group stage of DH. The game will not be even close. Taeja will rolfstomp over them on his way to another 10k cheque. But when opponents had time to dissect his play, and dictate the series, they can get an upset win fairly easily.
On January 17 2015 00:30 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote: Taeja will never, ever win a GSL (especially nowadays due KESPA players). That's not even hard to understanding...just look at the history...has he ever won a GSL? nope...LOL. And back then there were far easier korean players to compete against.
Here are two simple reasons blind fans think he is the best player (haha, that is funny): 1) He goes to and wins so many international tournaments (whoopie doo, barely any pro koreans there) 2) He does well in random games and non-preparation matches (he gets wrecked in preparation matches...SSL & GSLs)
I'm definitely not surprised he is the loser in this group. No hate on Taeja here but his blinded fans sure fell for the TeamLiquid Hype. I wouldn't be surprised if TeamLiquid will write an article to come up with excuses for Taeja's loss.
GSL is for the big boys...today Taeja proved he doesn't belong in Code S. I'd say he is Code A level but he will also need to prove he belongs there (just like any other korean pros). No hate on Taeja here...just giving a big wake up slap to his blinded fans for falling for the TeamLiquid hype.
Oh please. Two of the best Kespa Players from last year did not even make it to Code S or to challenger in SSL. Everyone knows Taeja is not good when it comes to preparation matches. Skillwise he is one of THE best. Kespa Koreans tried playing weekend tournaments and most of them failed. Sure they do not play many, but when they do they are not really great.
Sure Taeja sometimes is overhyped but his doubters downplay his talent way too much too. If it would have been that easy for Kespa Koreans why didn´t Innovation win every weekend tournament he attended even though he was doing very well in Korea. Hell at the Dreamhack Finals in Bucharest he got beaten by Taeja. soO lost to Taeja. Fucking Zest lost to Taeja. He won vs sOs and beat Life many times. When it comes to Skill Taeja BELONGS into Code S. Him losing today does not really say too much because like I said two of the biggest names one of them actually winning Code S season 1 last year and the other being in 4 GSL finals in a row didnt even make the qualifers
Taeja on form can beat anyone. Is he the best sc2 player ever? No. Maybe we could start arguing about who is the best Sc2 Player when SC3 comes out.
Oh please.If you're not good in preparation matches...then how will you ever do well in the biggest and hardest tournament of SC2 (namely, GSL)? Might as well just stick to playing online random matches and international spring marathon tournaments...lol. (which is what TeamLiquid did to build up Taeja "Hype Train")
Your quote: "Taeja on form can beat anyone." So are you saying Taeja was not on form last night for the GSL? Well I can say the same when soO, Zest, and Innovation lost to him...they were not on form. What's your point? o.O
Here's the thing .don't make excuses for any of their losses. They lose and move on, that's it. If they played badly and were not on form...then how are they the best player?
There is no best player in SC2 since the game itself is..lets say nothing compared to Brood War. To be considered the best overall in SC2 you must be a Consistent player...so far...Taeja proved he is not consistent.
Even Flash got knocked out early in OSLs and MSLs in BW. Does that mean he isn't consistent?
Flash was a God in Brood War (since he doesn't play it anymore!). But because SC2 is a completely different game and based on Flash most recent results..I don't considered him consistent. He is around average I think. Jaedong was also a god in Brood War..in SC2 he is ehh..mediocore.
Flash is consistent. He has consistently lost his last 11 games.
On January 17 2015 00:30 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote: Taeja will never, ever win a GSL (especially nowadays due KESPA players). That's not even hard to understanding...just look at the history...has he ever won a GSL? nope...LOL. And back then there were far easier korean players to compete against.
Here are two simple reasons blind fans think he is the best player (haha, that is funny): 1) He goes to and wins so many international tournaments (whoopie doo, barely any pro koreans there) 2) He does well in random games and non-preparation matches (he gets wrecked in preparation matches...SSL & GSLs)
I'm definitely not surprised he is the loser in this group. No hate on Taeja here but his blinded fans sure fell for the TeamLiquid Hype. I wouldn't be surprised if TeamLiquid will write an article to come up with excuses for Taeja's loss.
GSL is for the big boys...today Taeja proved he doesn't belong in Code S. I'd say he is Code A level but he will also need to prove he belongs there (just like any other korean pros). No hate on Taeja here...just giving a big wake up slap to his blinded fans for falling for the TeamLiquid hype.
Oh please. Two of the best Kespa Players from last year did not even make it to Code S or to challenger in SSL. Everyone knows Taeja is not good when it comes to preparation matches. Skillwise he is one of THE best. Kespa Koreans tried playing weekend tournaments and most of them failed. Sure they do not play many, but when they do they are not really great.
Sure Taeja sometimes is overhyped but his doubters downplay his talent way too much too. If it would have been that easy for Kespa Koreans why didn´t Innovation win every weekend tournament he attended even though he was doing very well in Korea. Hell at the Dreamhack Finals in Bucharest he got beaten by Taeja. soO lost to Taeja. Fucking Zest lost to Taeja. He won vs sOs and beat Life many times. When it comes to Skill Taeja BELONGS into Code S. Him losing today does not really say too much because like I said two of the biggest names one of them actually winning Code S season 1 last year and the other being in 4 GSL finals in a row didnt even make the qualifers
Taeja on form can beat anyone. Is he the best sc2 player ever? No. Maybe we could start arguing about who is the best Sc2 Player when SC3 comes out.
Oh please.If you're not good in preparation matches...then how will you ever do well in the biggest and hardest tournament of SC2 (namely, GSL)? Might as well just stick to playing online random matches and international spring marathon tournaments...lol. (which is what TeamLiquid did to build up Taeja "Hype Train")
Your quote: "Taeja on form can beat anyone." So are you saying Taeja was not on form last night for the GSL? Well I can say the same when soO, Zest, and Innovation lost to him...they were not on form. What's your point? o.O
Here's the thing .don't make excuses for any of their losses. They lose and move on, that's it. If they played badly and were not on form...then how are they the best player?
There is no best player in SC2 since the game itself is..lets say nothing compared to Brood War. To be considered the best overall in SC2 you must be a Consistent player...so far...Taeja proved he is not consistent.
Even Flash got knocked out early in OSLs and MSLs in BW. Does that mean he isn't consistent?
Flash was a God in Brood War (since he doesn't play it anymore!). But because SC2 is a completely different game and based on Flash most recent results..I don't considered him consistent. He is around average I think. Jaedong was also a god in Brood War..in SC2 he is ehh..mediocore.
Flash is consistent. He has consistently lost his last 11 games.
When he was winning 11 games in a row a couple of months ago did you make any smart ass posts like this?
On January 17 2015 00:30 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote: Taeja will never, ever win a GSL (especially nowadays due KESPA players). That's not even hard to understanding...just look at the history...has he ever won a GSL? nope...LOL. And back then there were far easier korean players to compete against.
Here are two simple reasons blind fans think he is the best player (haha, that is funny): 1) He goes to and wins so many international tournaments (whoopie doo, barely any pro koreans there) 2) He does well in random games and non-preparation matches (he gets wrecked in preparation matches...SSL & GSLs)
I'm definitely not surprised he is the loser in this group. No hate on Taeja here but his blinded fans sure fell for the TeamLiquid Hype. I wouldn't be surprised if TeamLiquid will write an article to come up with excuses for Taeja's loss.
GSL is for the big boys...today Taeja proved he doesn't belong in Code S. I'd say he is Code A level but he will also need to prove he belongs there (just like any other korean pros). No hate on Taeja here...just giving a big wake up slap to his blinded fans for falling for the TeamLiquid hype.
Oh please. Two of the best Kespa Players from last year did not even make it to Code S or to challenger in SSL. Everyone knows Taeja is not good when it comes to preparation matches. Skillwise he is one of THE best. Kespa Koreans tried playing weekend tournaments and most of them failed. Sure they do not play many, but when they do they are not really great.
Sure Taeja sometimes is overhyped but his doubters downplay his talent way too much too. If it would have been that easy for Kespa Koreans why didn´t Innovation win every weekend tournament he attended even though he was doing very well in Korea. Hell at the Dreamhack Finals in Bucharest he got beaten by Taeja. soO lost to Taeja. Fucking Zest lost to Taeja. He won vs sOs and beat Life many times. When it comes to Skill Taeja BELONGS into Code S. Him losing today does not really say too much because like I said two of the biggest names one of them actually winning Code S season 1 last year and the other being in 4 GSL finals in a row didnt even make the qualifers
Taeja on form can beat anyone. Is he the best sc2 player ever? No. Maybe we could start arguing about who is the best Sc2 Player when SC3 comes out.
Oh please.If you're not good in preparation matches...then how will you ever do well in the biggest and hardest tournament of SC2 (namely, GSL)? Might as well just stick to playing online random matches and international spring marathon tournaments...lol. (which is what TeamLiquid did to build up Taeja "Hype Train")
Your quote: "Taeja on form can beat anyone." So are you saying Taeja was not on form last night for the GSL? Well I can say the same when soO, Zest, and Innovation lost to him...they were not on form. What's your point? o.O
Here's the thing .don't make excuses for any of their losses. They lose and move on, that's it. If they played badly and were not on form...then how are they the best player?
There is no best player in SC2 since the game itself is..lets say nothing compared to Brood War. To be considered the best overall in SC2 you must be a Consistent player...so far...Taeja proved he is not consistent.
Even Flash got knocked out early in OSLs and MSLs in BW. Does that mean he isn't consistent?
Flash was a God in Brood War (since he doesn't play it anymore!). But because SC2 is a completely different game and based on Flash most recent results..I don't considered him consistent. He is around average I think. Jaedong was also a god in Brood War..in SC2 he is ehh..mediocore.
Flash is consistent. He has consistently lost his last 11 games.
When he was winning 11 games in a row a couple of months ago did you make any smart ass posts like this?
I did. I made posts saying that that run is only a fluke. People lolled at me then. I am allowed to say I told you so ^^
On January 17 2015 02:01 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote: You want true consistency who can perform both well in marathon and preparation matches?
Here's a short list: CJ.herO (the real hero) Rain soO Zest Parting sOs Life maybe Innovation
If you don't do well in preparation matches and especially GSL in SC2...forget it. You ain't consistent.
sOs and Life are anything but consistent. Innovation has had quite a few slumps. SoO seems to not do very well in any tournament that isn't GSL. The most consistent player on your list is probably Rain.
On January 17 2015 02:01 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote: You want true consistency who can perform both well in marathon and preparation matches?
Here's a short list: CJ.herO (the real hero) Rain soO Zest Parting sOs Life maybe Innovation
If you don't do well in preparation matches and especially GSL in SC2...forget it. You ain't consistent.
sOs and Life are anything but consistent. Innovation has had quite a few slumps. SoO seems to not do very well in any tournament that isn't GSL. The most consistent player on your list is probably Rain.
Life and herO are the two most consistent players. They have their lows yes but they keep winning tournaments. Rain is only consistent in not winning tournaments.
remember when some taeja fanboys were saying he would rek starleague and code S because he had beaten some kespa players in weekend LANs? We all know traditionally taeja is not that great at long-time prep tournies and today just shows it once again, coupled with his early exit in starleague
On January 17 2015 06:04 Gojira621 wrote: remember when some taeja fanboys were saying he would rek starleague and code S because he had beaten some kespa players in weekend LANs? We all know traditionally taeja is not that great at long-time prep tournies and today just shows it once again, coupled with his early exit in starleague
Starleague was a little weird though. It felt like TaeJa pretty much defeated himself there. Here, I didn't see the games so I don't really know, but apparently TaeJa played unusually badly?
On January 17 2015 06:04 Gojira621 wrote: remember when some taeja fanboys were saying he would rek starleague and code S because he had beaten some kespa players in weekend LANs? We all know traditionally taeja is not that great at long-time prep tournies and today just shows it once again, coupled with his early exit in starleague
His series against SoO and Innovation were preparation matches.
To truly be considered consistent...the primary goal is to do well in Major (I said major) tournaments, especially the GSLs and other Korean tournaments where you compete against the best Korean players in preparation matches.
If you say consistent is only about winning...then all one has to do is compete in numerous small international tournament (e.g. TeamLiquid fanboy Taeeejaaa) with little to no top notch Korean players...win those...enter more...win those...then yea...you have the most winnings (LOL)...vs someone like soO who freaken does monsterously good vs Top Notch Korean Players and entered 4 CONSECUTIVE GSL finals vs top notch Koreans (no foreigners whatsoever). No one has accomplished what soO has in SC2, period. Has Taeja ever made a GSL final? (NOPE even back then when the Korean scene was far less competitive) If I win 30 LAN tournaments in 3 months, am I the most consistent player on Earth? (it's not a trick question)
If you cried so much last night cuz Taeja was the loser of the group...then yea go ahead and say he won so so so many international tournaments vs foreigners, whatever makes you sleep at night. Trust me,we don't bash Taeja...but to say he is the best Terran or best player just because he won international tournaments, whereas the best KESPA players only play against the best, is very, very Laughable (heck I'm laughing as I'm writing this lol).
Let's see what happens when you stick CJ.herO (the real herO, not your liquid fanboy) in nothing but international tournaments and have him face Taeja...lol herO would smash him 80% of the time.
In short...to be truly consistent you must do well (but not always win) consistently vs the best Korean players (not foreigners). soO easily takes the cake here IMO.
On January 17 2015 07:27 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote: To truly be considered consistent...the primary goal is to do well in Major (I said major) tournaments, especially the GSLs and other Korean tournaments where you compete against the best Korean players in preparation matches.
If you say consistent is only about winning...then all one has to do is compete in numerous small international tournament (e.g. TeamLiquid fanboy Taeeejaaa) with little to no top notch Korean players...win those...enter more...win those...then yea...you have the most winnings (LOL)...vs someone like soO who freaken does monsterously good vs Top Notch Korean Players and entered 4 CONSECUTIVE GSL finals vs top notch Koreans (no foreigners whatsoever). No one has accomplished what soO has in SC2, period. Has Taeja ever made a GSL final? (NOPE even back then when the Korean scene was far less competitive) If I win 30 LAN tournaments in 3 months, am I the most consistent player on Earth? (it's not a trick question)
If you cried so much last night cuz Taeja was the loser of the group...then yea go ahead and say he won so so so many international tournaments vs foreigners, whatever makes you sleep at night. Trust me,we don't bash Taeja...but to say he is the best Terran or best player just because he won international tournaments, whereas the best KESPA players only play against the best, is very, very Laughable (heck I'm laughing as I'm writing this lol).
Let's see what happens when you stick CJ.herO (the real herO, not your liquid fanboy) in nothing but international tournaments and have him face Taeja...lol herO would smash him 80% of the time.
In short...to be truly consistent you must do well (but not always win) consistently vs the best Korean players (not foreigners). soO easily takes the cake here IMO.
Sigh.
Let´s see:
WCS Global Finals (where you had enough time to prepare) Taeja beat soO and Innovation.. Winner and runner up of GSL season 3 2014
IEM Torronto Taeja beat Zest
IEM Shenzen Taeja beat Zest and Life and actually won the whole thing.
IEM WCS Taeja beat Life
Dreamhack Winter 2013 Taeja beat Innovation sOs and Life (2times)
DreamHack Bucharest 2013: Taeja beats sOs Life and Inno
WCS Season 2 Finals Taeja beats Inno and stomps Rain 3:0
GSL 2013 Season 1 Taeja made it to the Semis by beating Nestea Inno (seems like he always wins against our most recent GSL winner) DRG and Soulkey
Taeja definitely only wins against Foreigners and bad Koreans right? He is definitely not Code S Material by beating GSL winners time and time again.
Being a good player also means winning Weekend Tournaments. If it would have been that easy why didnt those elite Koreans win those tournaments when going to one? soO your 4 time GSL runner up got stomped by Solar at Dreamhack.
Look all those players you mentioned are great players actually they are currently the Elite players (though half of them are in a slump) but I fail to see how they are THAT much better than Taeja
Btw you know where cjherO was in Season 3 last year? Code A. Season 2 he did not get past the round of 16. By your definition that would mean he is not consistent right? ACTUALLY if i go by how you see it cjherO is also "just" a weekend tournament warrior since he never won a GSL NEVER was in a GSL final and only won IEM tournaments.
In the past few pages no one said anything about Taeja being the best player there is just that he is indeed Code S material and that one season is not enough to judge him since he has made it far in previous GSLs.
Flash is 5-0 or 6-0 vs Taeja recently, and Flash is average at best in SC2. His true potential shines in Brood War but this not the topic. Jim defeated Taeja in some tournament. PigBaby defeated Taeja to win WCS America. Taeja lost to Major in WCS America. Taeja lost to a lot more. Rain defeated Taeja like 5-0 or 6-0 when he first joined SC2 Pro scene. You must really love Taeja since you remembered every detail of him, congrats man!
On January 17 2015 00:30 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote: Taeja will never, ever win a GSL (especially nowadays due KESPA players). That's not even hard to understanding...just look at the history...has he ever won a GSL? nope...LOL. And back then there were far easier korean players to compete against.
Here are two simple reasons blind fans think he is the best player (haha, that is funny): 1) He goes to and wins so many international tournaments (whoopie doo, barely any pro koreans there) 2) He does well in random games and non-preparation matches (he gets wrecked in preparation matches...SSL & GSLs)
I'm definitely not surprised he is the loser in this group. No hate on Taeja here but his blinded fans sure fell for the TeamLiquid Hype. I wouldn't be surprised if TeamLiquid will write an article to come up with excuses for Taeja's loss.
GSL is for the big boys...today Taeja proved he doesn't belong in Code S. I'd say he is Code A level but he will also need to prove he belongs there (just like any other korean pros). No hate on Taeja here...just giving a big wake up slap to his blinded fans for falling for the TeamLiquid hype.
Oh please. Two of the best Kespa Players from last year did not even make it to Code S or to challenger in SSL. Everyone knows Taeja is not good when it comes to preparation matches. Skillwise he is one of THE best. Kespa Koreans tried playing weekend tournaments and most of them failed. Sure they do not play many, but when they do they are not really great.
Sure Taeja sometimes is overhyped but his doubters downplay his talent way too much too. If it would have been that easy for Kespa Koreans why didn´t Innovation win every weekend tournament he attended even though he was doing very well in Korea. Hell at the Dreamhack Finals in Bucharest he got beaten by Taeja. soO lost to Taeja. Fucking Zest lost to Taeja. He won vs sOs and beat Life many times. When it comes to Skill Taeja BELONGS into Code S. Him losing today does not really say too much because like I said two of the biggest names one of them actually winning Code S season 1 last year and the other being in 4 GSL finals in a row didnt even make the qualifers
Taeja on form can beat anyone. Is he the best sc2 player ever? No. Maybe we could start arguing about who is the best Sc2 Player when SC3 comes out.
Oh please.If you're not good in preparation matches...then how will you ever do well in the biggest and hardest tournament of SC2 (namely, GSL)? Might as well just stick to playing online random matches and international spring marathon tournaments...lol. (which is what TeamLiquid did to build up Taeja "Hype Train")
Your quote: "Taeja on form can beat anyone." So are you saying Taeja was not on form last night for the GSL? Well I can say the same when soO, Zest, and Innovation lost to him...they were not on form. What's your point? o.O
Here's the thing .don't make excuses for any of their losses. They lose and move on, that's it. If they played badly and were not on form...then how are they the best player?
There is no best player in SC2 since the game itself is..lets say nothing compared to Brood War. To be considered the best overall in SC2 you must be a Consistent player...so far...Taeja proved he is not consistent.
Even Flash got knocked out early in OSLs and MSLs in BW. Does that mean he isn't consistent?
Flash was a God in Brood War (since he doesn't play it anymore!). But because SC2 is a completely different game and based on Flash most recent results..I don't considered him consistent. He is around average I think. Jaedong was also a god in Brood War..in SC2 he is ehh..mediocore.
Flash is consistent. He has consistently lost his last 11 games.
When he was winning 11 games in a row a couple of months ago did you make any smart ass posts like this?
No worries. The flash we saw recently was really really bad. I mean like WTF bad. Messing up double proxy rax into bunkters 2 times or 3 times in a row and not knowing that you can't just outmacro a Zerg in SC2 anymore shows he is extremely off these days. So either he does something besides playing SC2 or if he still is focused on SC2, he will return.
Every player has his slumps from time to time. I remember when I foresaw life winning tournaments because he was the first zerg that started MICROING units. And he did. But then, after a few wins and impressive matches, he just went "underground" not achieving anything... and now? He is considered one of the best Zergs again.
On January 17 2015 08:02 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote: Flash is 5-0 or 6-0 vs Taeja recently, and Flash is average at best in SC2. His true potential shines in Brood War but this not the topic. Jim defeated Taeja in some tournament. PigBaby defeated Taeja to win WCS America. Taeja lost to Major in WCS America. Taeja lost to a lot more. Rain defeated Taeja like 5-0 or 6-0 when he first joined SC2 Pro scene. You must really love Taeja since you remembered every detail of him, congrats man!
But um...what is your point exactly?
hmm and Taeja is the one I remember having the PERFECT Tournament... both Flash and Taeja had their results, but maybe Terran is too predictable so they get figured out shortly after they reinvent their style over and over again.
On January 17 2015 08:02 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote: Flash is 5-0 or 6-0 vs Taeja recently, and Flash is average at best in SC2. His true potential shines in Brood War but this not the topic. Jim defeated Taeja in some tournament. PigBaby defeated Taeja to win WCS America. Taeja lost to Major in WCS America. Taeja lost to a lot more. Rain defeated Taeja like 5-0 or 6-0 when he first joined SC2 Pro scene. You must really love Taeja since you remembered every detail of him, congrats man!
But um...what is your point exactly?
Lol i looked that stuff up. Not that hard.
Taeja 6:1 vs Flash. And it was actually in a period of time where Flash was winning a lot. He won IEM Torronto against Zest in the finals if you wanna know.
My point is since you still seem not to be able to understand is that Taeja is, despite what you say Code S Material. He has made the semis twice something cjherO for instance didn´t do since you seem to like to bring him up.
If you are gonna say herO is consistent because he made the Round of 8 once and the Round of 16 twice in GSL and won a bunch of IEMs and then go on and say Taeja is not consistent because he never was in a GSL final and only wins weekend tournaments you are a hypocrite and just hate him for the sake of hating.
Like I said numerous times and this is the last time I am gonna say it. Nobody is saying Taeja is way better or just better than the Kespa Koreans. But he can hold his own and trade wins with them easily.
No...Terran is not too predictable...it's the game...StarCraft 2 itself. It is nothing like Brood War. Everything is completely simplified in StarCraft 2 and the Units make it very hard to harrass and micro and players are usually forced to fight at 200.
The game itself, StarCraft 2, is the reason there is no best player in StarCraft 2. Anyone can LOSE to anyone, at any given time. Which is the reason for the closer gap between professional foreigners and profession Koreans.
On January 17 2015 08:15 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote: No...Terran is not too predictable...it's the game...StarCraft 2 itself. It is nothing like Brood War. Everything is completely simplified in StarCraft 2 and the Units make it very hard to harrass and micro and players are usually forced to fight at 200.
The game itself, StarCraft 2, is the reason there is no best player in StarCraft 2. Anyone can LOSE to anyone, at any given time. Which is the reason for the closer gap between professional foreigners and profession Koreans.
Actually the gap between Foreigners and Koreans SC 2 is pretty big especially between Foreigners and the Kespa Koreans. Only Snute and Bunny right now can somehow take maps of them and in the end they still lose
On January 17 2015 08:15 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote: No...Terran is not too predictable...it's the game...StarCraft 2 itself. It is nothing like Brood War. Everything is completely simplified in StarCraft 2 and the Units make it very hard to harrass and micro and players are usually forced to fight at 200.
The game itself, StarCraft 2, is the reason there is no best player in StarCraft 2. Anyone can LOSE to anyone, at any given time. Which is the reason for the closer gap between professional foreigners and profession Koreans.
Actually the gap between Foreigners and Koreans SC 2 is pretty big especially between Foreigners and the Kespa Koreans. Only Snute and Bunny right now can somehow take maps of them and in the end they still lose
I'm pretty sure Bly beat Rain not too long ago, so foreigner > kespa korean upsets can happen more than you think.
On January 17 2015 08:15 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote: No...Terran is not too predictable...it's the game...StarCraft 2 itself. It is nothing like Brood War. Everything is completely simplified in StarCraft 2 and the Units make it very hard to harrass and micro and players are usually forced to fight at 200.
The game itself, StarCraft 2, is the reason there is no best player in StarCraft 2. Anyone can LOSE to anyone, at any given time. Which is the reason for the closer gap between professional foreigners and profession Koreans.
Actually the gap between Foreigners and Koreans SC 2 is pretty big especially between Foreigners and the Kespa Koreans. Only Snute and Bunny right now can somehow take maps of them and in the end they still lose
I'm pretty sure Bly beat Rain not too long ago, so foreigner > kespa korean upsets can happen more than you think.
On January 17 2015 08:02 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote: Flash is 5-0 or 6-0 vs Taeja recently, and Flash is average at best in SC2. His true potential shines in Brood War but this not the topic. Jim defeated Taeja in some tournament. PigBaby defeated Taeja to win WCS America. Taeja lost to Major in WCS America. Taeja lost to a lot more. Rain defeated Taeja like 5-0 or 6-0 when he first joined SC2 Pro scene. You must really love Taeja since you remembered every detail of him, congrats man!
But um...what is your point exactly?
Lol i looked that stuff up. Not that hard.
Taeja 6:1 vs Flash. And it was actually in a period of time where Flash was winning a lot. He won IEM Torronto against Zest in the finals if you wanna know.
My point is since you still seem not to be able to understand is that Taeja is, despite what you say Code S Material. He has made the semis twice something cjherO for instance didn´t do since you seem to like to bring him up.
If you are gonna say herO is consistent because he made the Round of 8 once and the Round of 16 twice in GSL and won a bunch of IEMs and then go on and say Taeja is not consistent because he never was in a GSL final and only wins weekend tournaments you are a hypocrite and just hate him for the sake of hating.
Like I said numerous times and this is the last time I am gonna say it. Nobody is saying Taeja is way better or just better than the Kespa Koreans. But he can hold his own and trade wins with them easily.
How about this, my "friend"...Taeja has yet proved to be consistent vs the best of the best in Korea (I'll keep things simple for you). Let's give him this entire year to see how he does in Korea (if he even stays in Korea, but my bet is once he does poorly TeamLiquid will pull him out and tells him to play more International Tournaments, easier money of course for Taeja and TeamLiquid).
This is common sense if you have a business standpoint in mind.
And yes Taeja is consistent...in International Tournaments only. Until he does well in the Korean scene this year, he is not consistent vs KESPA pros.
On January 17 2015 08:02 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote: Flash is 5-0 or 6-0 vs Taeja recently, and Flash is average at best in SC2. His true potential shines in Brood War but this not the topic. Jim defeated Taeja in some tournament. PigBaby defeated Taeja to win WCS America. Taeja lost to Major in WCS America. Taeja lost to a lot more. Rain defeated Taeja like 5-0 or 6-0 when he first joined SC2 Pro scene. You must really love Taeja since you remembered every detail of him, congrats man!
But um...what is your point exactly?
Lol i looked that stuff up. Not that hard.
Taeja 6:1 vs Flash. And it was actually in a period of time where Flash was winning a lot. He won IEM Torronto against Zest in the finals if you wanna know.
My point is since you still seem not to be able to understand is that Taeja is, despite what you say Code S Material. He has made the semis twice something cjherO for instance didn´t do since you seem to like to bring him up.
If you are gonna say herO is consistent because he made the Round of 8 once and the Round of 16 twice in GSL and won a bunch of IEMs and then go on and say Taeja is not consistent because he never was in a GSL final and only wins weekend tournaments you are a hypocrite and just hate him for the sake of hating.
Like I said numerous times and this is the last time I am gonna say it. Nobody is saying Taeja is way better or just better than the Kespa Koreans. But he can hold his own and trade wins with them easily.
The thing is, herO has proven himself in big tournaments vs Koreans before. In IEM WC and Kespa Cup he faced only Koreans and reached the finals with outstanding play. He even crushed Top Korean terrans at a time everyone was crying TvP imbalance. He has done this. That's why he gets so much praise even without special GSL achievements.
Best out of 1 or 3...any KESPA pros can lose to any professional foreigner at any Random Marathon Tournament. Best out of 10...completely different story...hence consistency is what counts.
Best out of 3 or 5 in a preparation tournament (e.g. GSL), good luck foreigners. Their chance of foreigner winning has reduced dramatically due to the fact that you have time to prepare for a specific opponent, hence Taeja's weakness and he can never be considered a Top 10 player if he cannot CONSISTENTLY prepare well for his opponents.
On January 17 2015 08:02 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote: Flash is 5-0 or 6-0 vs Taeja recently, and Flash is average at best in SC2. His true potential shines in Brood War but this not the topic. Jim defeated Taeja in some tournament. PigBaby defeated Taeja to win WCS America. Taeja lost to Major in WCS America. Taeja lost to a lot more. Rain defeated Taeja like 5-0 or 6-0 when he first joined SC2 Pro scene. You must really love Taeja since you remembered every detail of him, congrats man!
But um...what is your point exactly?
Lol i looked that stuff up. Not that hard.
Taeja 6:1 vs Flash. And it was actually in a period of time where Flash was winning a lot. He won IEM Torronto against Zest in the finals if you wanna know.
My point is since you still seem not to be able to understand is that Taeja is, despite what you say Code S Material. He has made the semis twice something cjherO for instance didn´t do since you seem to like to bring him up.
If you are gonna say herO is consistent because he made the Round of 8 once and the Round of 16 twice in GSL and won a bunch of IEMs and then go on and say Taeja is not consistent because he never was in a GSL final and only wins weekend tournaments you are a hypocrite and just hate him for the sake of hating.
Like I said numerous times and this is the last time I am gonna say it. Nobody is saying Taeja is way better or just better than the Kespa Koreans. But he can hold his own and trade wins with them easily.
The thing is, herO has proven himself in big tournaments vs Koreans before. In IEM WC and Kespa Cup he faced only Koreans and reached the finals with outstanding play. He even crushed Top Korean terrans at a time everyone was crying TvP imbalance. He has done this. That's why he gets so much praise even without special GSL achievements.
I know i know^^ it is just that he keeps saying consistency is and telling me he has to be in a gsl final or win one and the goes and lists herO who has not been in a gsl final
To me it seems like he has some kind of grudge against Taeja :D
On January 17 2015 08:02 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote: Flash is 5-0 or 6-0 vs Taeja recently, and Flash is average at best in SC2. His true potential shines in Brood War but this not the topic. Jim defeated Taeja in some tournament. PigBaby defeated Taeja to win WCS America. Taeja lost to Major in WCS America. Taeja lost to a lot more. Rain defeated Taeja like 5-0 or 6-0 when he first joined SC2 Pro scene. You must really love Taeja since you remembered every detail of him, congrats man!
But um...what is your point exactly?
Lol i looked that stuff up. Not that hard.
Taeja 6:1 vs Flash. And it was actually in a period of time where Flash was winning a lot. He won IEM Torronto against Zest in the finals if you wanna know.
My point is since you still seem not to be able to understand is that Taeja is, despite what you say Code S Material. He has made the semis twice something cjherO for instance didn´t do since you seem to like to bring him up.
If you are gonna say herO is consistent because he made the Round of 8 once and the Round of 16 twice in GSL and won a bunch of IEMs and then go on and say Taeja is not consistent because he never was in a GSL final and only wins weekend tournaments you are a hypocrite and just hate him for the sake of hating.
Like I said numerous times and this is the last time I am gonna say it. Nobody is saying Taeja is way better or just better than the Kespa Koreans. But he can hold his own and trade wins with them easily.
How about this, my "friend"...Taeja has yet proved to be consistent vs the best of the best in Korea (I'll keep things simple for you). Let's give him this entire year to see how he does in Korea (if he even stays in Korea, but my bet is once he does poorly TeamLiquid will pull him out and tells him to play more International Tournaments, easier money of course for Taeja and TeamLiquid).
This is common sense if you have a business standpoint in mind.
And yes Taeja is consistent...in International Tournaments only. Until he does well in the Korean scene this year, he is not consistent vs KESPA pros.
On January 17 2015 08:02 Hyper_ZerGGling wrote: Flash is 5-0 or 6-0 vs Taeja recently, and Flash is average at best in SC2. His true potential shines in Brood War but this not the topic. Jim defeated Taeja in some tournament. PigBaby defeated Taeja to win WCS America. Taeja lost to Major in WCS America. Taeja lost to a lot more. Rain defeated Taeja like 5-0 or 6-0 when he first joined SC2 Pro scene. You must really love Taeja since you remembered every detail of him, congrats man!
But um...what is your point exactly?
Lol i looked that stuff up. Not that hard.
Taeja 6:1 vs Flash. And it was actually in a period of time where Flash was winning a lot. He won IEM Torronto against Zest in the finals if you wanna know.
My point is since you still seem not to be able to understand is that Taeja is, despite what you say Code S Material. He has made the semis twice something cjherO for instance didn´t do since you seem to like to bring him up.
If you are gonna say herO is consistent because he made the Round of 8 once and the Round of 16 twice in GSL and won a bunch of IEMs and then go on and say Taeja is not consistent because he never was in a GSL final and only wins weekend tournaments you are a hypocrite and just hate him for the sake of hating.
Like I said numerous times and this is the last time I am gonna say it. Nobody is saying Taeja is way better or just better than the Kespa Koreans. But he can hold his own and trade wins with them easily.
The thing is, herO has proven himself in big tournaments vs Koreans before. In IEM WC and Kespa Cup he faced only Koreans and reached the finals with outstanding play. He even crushed Top Korean terrans at a time everyone was crying TvP imbalance. He has done this. That's why he gets so much praise even without special GSL achievements.
I know i know^^ it is just that he keeps saying consistency is and telling me he has to be in a gsl final or win one and the goes and lists herO who has not been in a gsl final
To me it seems like he has some kind of grudge against Taeja :D
nope...just putting a shining light bulb on blinded fans. I think a lot of them were heart crushed last night...I don't take sides but I give respects to where they're dued. You see how Flash and Jaedong were monstrously good in Brood War...yet I consider Flash average in SC2 and Jaedong mediocore. I would never mention them as Top 10 players, maybe Top 20 for Flash and Jaedong Top 50.
I consider Taeja top 3 or 5 for International Tournaments. In Korea...he is Top 30 in my eyes. Again, I give respects to where they're due...and I don't exaggerate or take sides of players (unlike them biased american casters, lol!)
I dont really think any of the fans are heartbroken. I know i am not. Sad a lil bit that he couldnt make it through this season, but there are still 2 gsl and ssl seasons left. And 3 kespa cups if i am not mistaken
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