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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
November 01 2014 12:57 GMT
#341
Dang it Huk, not as though I expected him to win but I was hoping...
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
SoSexy
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Italy3725 Posts
November 01 2014 12:59 GMT
#342
stream down?
Dating thread on TL LUL
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
November 01 2014 13:00 GMT
#343
On November 01 2014 21:59 SoSexy wrote:
stream down?

it's finished for today, only dota 2 left
LiquipediaWe will have only each other at the last
covetousrat
Profile Joined October 2010
2109 Posts
November 01 2014 13:03 GMT
#344
Hmm first time watching dota 2 and WTF is BurNIng stream 390028 viewers from china?.....
JoeCool
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany2517 Posts
November 01 2014 13:03 GMT
#345
From a technical point of view probably one of the worst tournaments I've ever experienced. Some good games though...
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
November 01 2014 13:07 GMT
#346
On November 01 2014 22:03 JoeCool wrote:
From a technical point of view probably one of the worst tournaments I've ever experienced. Some good games though...

Still shits on WEC a few months back
Community News"As long as you have a warp prism you can't be bad at harassment" - Maru | @SetGuitars2Kill
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-01 13:18:08
November 01 2014 13:13 GMT
#347
On November 01 2014 21:53 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 21:51 plotspot wrote:
For LotV I really hope mech terran gets some kind of support, like this it's quite limited to bio most of the time. Hellion doesn't have the range, speed and defense capabilities of the Vulture in BW. Vikings are anti-air only, and you have to switch down for ground combat only. In contrast Goliath had awesome anti-air and moderate ground attack in one go.

When in BW I saw long drawn out games of Flash playing mech against Protoss and Zerg, I see in SC2 that he and others are just doomed, losing step by step, simply because mech is so limited.

Give Vultures.



Yes, vultures. In a game where I have like triple the mineral income cuz of mules and greedy builds, yes, very fair.

And Goliaths simply aren't necessary. We have solid anti armoured air in vikings, anti light air in thors and mines and plenty of good vs ground units. People only want Goliaths because they want everything that's not Broodwar to be more Broodwar.

Mech tvz is gonna be horrible til they fix 4 things

1) mass PDD is silly
2) mass swarm host is silly
3) the way mining works makes it hard for Zerg to properly exploit a terran when he has a huge eco advantage
4) Mech units aren't super effective enough to make up for the fact that they're getting massively out eco'd by a 50 base Zerg.

Until then it's gonna be these massive drawn out games since neither army can force a real engagement unless something weird and stupid happens. Terran has to turtle forever and amass a huge air force since swarm hosts negate ground attacking almost completely. Zerg has to Swarm hosts to maintain pressure or terran will just take the map far too easily.

If you're lucky the Mech terran is some timing attacker who just makes thor hellbat banshee or something and ends the game before the brain starts dribbling out the ears.
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Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-01 13:40:33
November 01 2014 13:40 GMT
#348
The MSI twitch channels did not activate their past broadcasts, so only Khaldor VODs for now. They'll probably upload the other VODs to their youtube channel (I hope)
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FeyFey
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany10114 Posts
November 01 2014 13:41 GMT
#349
Mech only needs one thing that everything else has, free health care. Mech units are the only unit type where the heal costs alot money. And they nerfed mech to strong in the beginning of WoL, because everyone a-moved into mech, to make up for expensive repair cost. Make mules repair at normal speed but half the repair cost ! x3
The Raven is supposed to be the indirect healer unit of mech by shielding the units (there is a reason free units are priority when a-moving), but since mech is the slowest with the shortest range of all 3 races Raven's can only help in bunkering up. So either the Warhound approach for a-moving through, or the Tempest approach. For the Tempest approach the other race have more then enough means to push back a mechline.

But if Mech works at high level like people want it to work, it will be to much to handle for lower levels.
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
November 01 2014 13:57 GMT
#350
On November 01 2014 22:13 ROOTiaguz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 21:53 royalroadweed wrote:
On November 01 2014 21:51 plotspot wrote:
For LotV I really hope mech terran gets some kind of support, like this it's quite limited to bio most of the time. Hellion doesn't have the range, speed and defense capabilities of the Vulture in BW. Vikings are anti-air only, and you have to switch down for ground combat only. In contrast Goliath had awesome anti-air and moderate ground attack in one go.

When in BW I saw long drawn out games of Flash playing mech against Protoss and Zerg, I see in SC2 that he and others are just doomed, losing step by step, simply because mech is so limited.

Give Vultures.



Yes, vultures. In a game where I have like triple the mineral income cuz of mules and greedy builds, yes, very fair.

And Goliaths simply aren't necessary. We have solid anti armoured air in vikings, anti light air in thors and mines and plenty of good vs ground units. People only want Goliaths because they want everything that's not Broodwar to be more Broodwar.

Mech tvz is gonna be horrible til they fix 4 things

1) mass PDD is silly
2) mass swarm host is silly
3) the way mining works makes it hard for Zerg to properly exploit a terran when he has a huge eco advantage
4) Mech units aren't super effective enough to make up for the fact that they're getting massively out eco'd by a 50 base Zerg.

Until then it's gonna be these massive drawn out games since neither army can force a real engagement unless something weird and stupid happens. Terran has to turtle forever and amass a huge air force since swarm hosts negate ground attacking almost completely. Zerg has to Swarm hosts to maintain pressure or terran will just take the map far too easily.

If you're lucky the Mech terran is some timing attacker who just makes thor hellbat banshee or something and ends the game before the brain starts dribbling out the ears.

Huh. Didn't even think of that. Mules + reactored vultures are scary on paper.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 01 2014 15:41 GMT
#351
I'm not surprised Rogue beat Flash. Apparently Rogue was playing the best sc2 in-practice/ladder.
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Profile Joined August 2011
United States3815 Posts
November 01 2014 19:06 GMT
#352
Any recommended matches?
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Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
November 01 2014 19:14 GMT
#353
On November 02 2014 04:06 juicyjames wrote:
Any recommended matches?

Flash vs Rogue Game 1 in the QF was pretty good
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