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Homestory Cup X Powered By XMG Announcement - Page 11

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bypLy
Profile Joined June 2013
757 Posts
September 30 2014 21:29 GMT
#201
holy crap
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2953 Posts
September 30 2014 22:18 GMT
#202
On September 30 2014 10:16 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2014 09:39 Crot4le wrote:
On September 30 2014 09:07 Dodgin wrote:
On September 30 2014 08:54 Crot4le wrote:
On September 30 2014 08:43 Dodgin wrote:
On September 30 2014 08:42 Crot4le wrote:
On September 30 2014 03:16 Faefae wrote:
I only heard of Winter because of this stream bot story. Hopefully he does such a good job that vierwership will be crazy high


He was proven innocent by Twitch by the way who looked into it when he applied for his premium partnership.


source?


Well there's this statistical analysis from Reddit which proved him innocent, the fact that he has never shown up in The Twitch Bot Detector. I don't have a source for the Twitch but it is true and there's no way Twitch would allow someone to get a Premium Partnership (which allows the streamer to get more sub and and ad revenue from Twitch) if they viewbotted.

Winter has said (as has Ketroc) that he has on a couple of isolated occasions had a view bot run on his channel without permission as a sort of free sample. But that is not in his control and not something he can be blamed for.


I'm going to help you since you apparently haven't researched twitch view bots at all.

1. Bots not only watch streams, they also talk in the chat(source: found this in 5 seconds using google: https://onlinestreambot.com/ ). The reddit link is worthless.


Not it's not at all worthless. It is analysing several data points, chat activity is only one of them. And besides, the numbers Winter pulls goes way beyond of the bot you are linking (only 40 chatters and 200 live viewers a month). Besides, if you ever have been in Winter's chat you would know how authentic it is. No different to BaseTradeTV's chat with similar numbers.


On September 30 2014 09:07 Dodgin wrote:2. " there's no way Twitch would allow someone to get a Premium Partnership (which allows the streamer to get more sub and and ad revenue from Twitch) if they view botted. "

One of the major advertisement points for these view bot selling companies is helping you get partnered quickly.



Well obviously it doesn't work because Twitch has more about them, hence why Winter was recently cleared by them.


On September 30 2014 09:07 Dodgin wrote:3. What Winter says on the topic doesn't matter, you could easily claim that someone else is view botting you and there's nothing you can do about it while actually being the one doing it yourself. Who in the fuck would spend their own money on view botting someone else's channel?(Okay I'm sure It's been done, but really how unlikely is this)


Are you calling Ketroc a liar too? And I'm pretty sure that Rifkin has talked about some dodgy stuff with the viewer count that he was unsure about too.

I mean at this stage despite all the evidence you are clearly just believing what you want to believe because the reality contradicts your preconceived beliefs and opinion of the guy.


I don't care enough about this to write another long post but your idea of " evidence " is fucking hilarious

I'll leave it at this: there are twitch staff that are in on this shit, it's a corrupt business just like any other in the world.


Well, you don't need any evidence to prove someone's innocence, you need evidence to prove someone's guilt, tbh.
Idiocracy1
Profile Joined August 2014
Bulgaria26 Posts
October 01 2014 05:33 GMT
#203
Hi, we're at our work office are really hyped to go to this, my only concern is the dates are kind of close to blizzcon. Anyone think that will affect players going to the event?
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
October 01 2014 06:32 GMT
#204
On October 01 2014 14:33 Idiocracy1 wrote:
Hi, we're at our work office are really hyped to go to this, my only concern is the dates are kind of close to blizzcon. Anyone think that will affect players going to the event?

Since this starts 5 days after Blizzcon ends, I don't see why it would
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Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-01 06:50:42
October 01 2014 06:50 GMT
#205
On October 01 2014 14:33 Idiocracy1 wrote:
Hi, we're at our work office are really hyped to go to this, my only concern is the dates are kind of close to blizzcon. Anyone think that will affect players going to the event?

I don't think so. I it would be shortly before Blizzcon, it might hurt, but since it is shortly after, I see no reason, why players would be influenced by this.
Idiocracy1
Profile Joined August 2014
Bulgaria26 Posts
October 01 2014 07:37 GMT
#206
Tickets already bought! Waiting for that lineup :D
tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
October 01 2014 08:34 GMT
#207
I can see Incontrol making jokes at the expense of poor Winter with Rotterdam laughing.

Can't wait.
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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
October 01 2014 10:37 GMT
#208
Incontrol + Rotti is getting old, we need fresh meat. Thanks for winter!
projectChaos
Profile Joined December 2011
154 Posts
October 01 2014 11:21 GMT
#209
Finally I understand what the Starks are fighting for.
Winter is coming !
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
October 01 2014 12:02 GMT
#210
Awesome! is there a way to contribute towards the event without actually being their live?
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
October 01 2014 12:03 GMT
#211
On October 01 2014 17:34 tshi wrote:
I can see Incontrol making jokes at the expense of poor Winter with Rotterdam laughing.

Can't wait.


Oh yeah... the only thing i read when i saw Winter's name was : "oh god... Incontrol is going to troll him like mad". Hey, maybe Winter will troll incontrol and rotty will laugh :p
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
October 01 2014 14:31 GMT
#212
I AM GOING!

Already have my ticket, ESPORTS LIFE HERE I COME
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
October 01 2014 14:34 GMT
#213
On October 01 2014 23:31 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I AM GOING!

Already have my ticket, ESPORTS LIFE HERE I COME


ultra package?
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24417 Posts
October 01 2014 14:40 GMT
#214
Premium, all 4 days! Ultra package was sold out and too high life for me anyway
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
October 01 2014 15:14 GMT
#215
I might get Premium then if DLO is going so I can avenge myself for DT's
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
Nothera
Profile Joined March 2013
Czech Republic14 Posts
October 03 2014 06:31 GMT
#216
I can confirm that this Winter kid is supicious. Everyone doubts his activities since spring this year when he was getting 3000 /viewers/bots as a diamond level player.

Today I was in his stream, again 1700 people watching, the same 20 people actually chatting.
And those 20 were pretty angry when I mention something about botting and banned me.

If I remember that Desrow who worked his ass off with streaming, creating content, teaching players how to play, even playing on tournaments, WCS etc. Now he has audience that Winter has except he actually worked for it and it took him nearly 3 years to get there. Winter just get this audiance from day to day.

1,7k has usually Khaldor in this time of day when he's casting some game from Korea.


And the recent TOP streamers list from TL is embarrasing aswell. How can Winter beat players like Stephano who used to have 15k viewers or basically anyone. Grubby, Parting, DeMuslim are more famous and entertaining than he will ever will be.

I say: Let's boycott his attendence at homestory cup!

User was warned for this post
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KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25657 Posts
October 03 2014 08:13 GMT
#217
On October 03 2014 15:31 Nothera wrote:
I can confirm that this Winter kid is supicious. Everyone doubts his activities since spring this year when he was getting 3000 /viewers/bots as a diamond level player.

Today I was in his stream, again 1700 people watching, the same 20 people actually chatting.
And those 20 were pretty angry when I mention something about botting and banned me.

If I remember that Desrow who worked his ass off with streaming, creating content, teaching players how to play, even playing on tournaments, WCS etc. Now he has audience that Winter has except he actually worked for it and it took him nearly 3 years to get there. Winter just get this audiance from day to day.

1,7k has usually Khaldor in this time of day when he's casting some game from Korea.


And the recent TOP streamers list from TL is embarrasing aswell. How can Winter beat players like Stephano who used to have 15k viewers or basically anyone. Grubby, Parting, DeMuslim are more famous and entertaining than he will ever will be.

I say: Let's boycott his attendence at homestory cup!

User was warned for this post


Just out of curiosity, how are you going to boycott someones attendence?
AdministratorLaws change depending on who's making them, but justice is justice
Tzyx
Profile Joined August 2010
Northern Ireland281 Posts
October 03 2014 14:27 GMT
#218
Winter's stream is interesting, he does alot of stuff that us less-than-masters players can get on board with and learn from. The past is the past, each time I've watched him, his chat seems genuine enough.

Hyped for HSC tho, looks awesome!
SinCitta
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany2127 Posts
October 03 2014 15:09 GMT
#219
For all Germans that want to take one of the bus rides, here is a survey which places should be on the route and at what time:

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1XPC412RAMSpbbRFANjhcBFJIRt-gjHRb1mP2iLnKkHM/viewform

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1fRgcBSXKeychE_GvK8giLytlMVvJkF4py9QrYaoXVI0/viewform (same in English, but still restricted to German cities)
billynasty
Profile Joined October 2014
United States260 Posts
October 03 2014 22:11 GMT
#220
HSC is 1 of my favourite tourneys of the year. The vibe of the event, the way it brings all the players & personalities together in a low key manner, where everyone gets to be themselves a little bit more & we get to see more of their personalities. It creates a sense of family that IS the SC2 community amongst all that attend, its really refreshing to see. Its for that reason why i believe so many people are surprised Winter is attending, because whether its right or not, he has become somewhat of a derisive topic. Perhaps some people are just afraid his presence may take more away from the overall enjoyment then adding to it. This i believe is the heart of the anti Winter stuff. What does he add by going, versus if he wasnt there at all. As it is this announcement has been not just about an awesome tournament, but has now degraded into people voicing their opinions about a guy named Winter who as someone stated earlier, only represents 1/37th of the event itself. Perhaps this will translate into more viewers overall, or perhaps people will flame in chat when he's on, or they will find another stream all together. I personally wouldnt have brought him along, but I for one will watch HSC like i do every year & cant wait to see some awesome games & commentary! Thanks again to all those that make this event happen! U know who u are! Peace!
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