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Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
September 27 2014 06:44 GMT
#81
Would really like soO to win this. Four finals in a row is insane, and he needs to be properly rewarded for his accomplishments.
Flash | Mvp
Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
September 27 2014 07:08 GMT
#82
Aren't these two players chosen by Major?
Well, now I tell you, I never seen good come o' goodness yet. Him as strikes first is my fancy; dead men don't bite; them's my views--amen, so be it.
mGGNoRe
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia124 Posts
September 27 2014 07:27 GMT
#83
soO is going to crush Innovation. soO has reached the finals for a fourth time so he clearly has the best match planning in sc2. Only MVP was as good as soO in playing out a Bo5-7. Just look at how soO won in the Ro4, he was out-classed in a head on game but managed to out think his opponent with a better plan for the entire series. soO will win for certain but it will be very very close.
Ej_
Profile Blog Joined January 2013
47656 Posts
September 27 2014 07:37 GMT
#84
(T)INnoVation 3-4 (Z)soO

soO with the reverse sweep
"Technically the dictionary has zero authority on the meaning or words" - Rodya
DMXD
Profile Joined February 2008
United States4064 Posts
September 27 2014 07:49 GMT
#85
Of course hoping for soo to win but I won't be too disappointed if innovation wins.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
September 27 2014 07:52 GMT
#86
On September 27 2014 16:27 mGGNoRe wrote:
soO is going to crush Innovation. soO has reached the finals for a fourth time so he clearly has the best match planning in sc2. Only MVP was as good as soO in playing out a Bo5-7. Just look at how soO won in the Ro4, he was out-classed in a head on game but managed to out think his opponent with a better plan for the entire series. soO will win for certain but it will be very very close.


I disagree with how you describe soO's intelligence, specifically in how it is implemented. soO is very good at figuring out what just happened and adjusting to it. In the series against Zest, Zest showed a very clear tendency to stick with gateway units while using his robo merely as a supplement for warp prism or the occasional immortal. He stuck to a game plan that appeared successful through the first four games, even when he was already losing games. soO on the other hand made slight changes to his game plan and eventually won because he'd figured out Zest's go-to build. soO tries to figure out players as the series play out; Mvp had clear plans heading into matches and only had to make minor adjustments along the way.

In the series against Classic, Zest, and Dear in the finals, each protoss player used different openings and tactics throughout the series. While soO was able to make it close, he was never able to figure out games within the game itself. He was often caught by surprise by something different; his strength is that it never works again once he's experienced it. It's difficult to hype his series planning when he's lost 3 finals already. Instead, it's his series adjustments--when his opponents stick to a plan--that allow him to be so successful.

That's why my expectation is for soO to roll INnoVation if the RoBogus plays one way the entire series.
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Kyyuna
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1222 Posts
September 27 2014 08:09 GMT
#87
I kinda hope soO gets another silver to further cement himself in the kong line, and because SKT =(

Bogus winning a GSL after a streak of not winning em would be pretty sick. Also, Terran needs a win in the GSL!
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
September 27 2014 08:53 GMT
#88
On September 27 2014 16:52 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2014 16:27 mGGNoRe wrote:
soO is going to crush Innovation. soO has reached the finals for a fourth time so he clearly has the best match planning in sc2. Only MVP was as good as soO in playing out a Bo5-7. Just look at how soO won in the Ro4, he was out-classed in a head on game but managed to out think his opponent with a better plan for the entire series. soO will win for certain but it will be very very close.


I disagree with how you describe soO's intelligence, specifically in how it is implemented. soO is very good at figuring out what just happened and adjusting to it. In the series against Zest, Zest showed a very clear tendency to stick with gateway units while using his robo merely as a supplement for warp prism or the occasional immortal. He stuck to a game plan that appeared successful through the first four games, even when he was already losing games. soO on the other hand made slight changes to his game plan and eventually won because he'd figured out Zest's go-to build. soO tries to figure out players as the series play out; Mvp had clear plans heading into matches and only had to make minor adjustments along the way.

In the series against Classic, Zest, and Dear in the finals, each protoss player used different openings and tactics throughout the series. While soO was able to make it close, he was never able to figure out games within the game itself. He was often caught by surprise by something different; his strength is that it never works again once he's experienced it. It's difficult to hype his series planning when he's lost 3 finals already. Instead, it's his series adjustments--when his opponents stick to a plan--that allow him to be so successful.

That's why my expectation is for soO to roll INnoVation if the RoBogus plays one way the entire series.

Definitely agree with this. If Innovation uses the same style he did against Cure (basically the same build the entire series), but changes to one go-to build against Zerg, I have to say soO is hugely favored.

Either way, this should be a great finals.
Flash | Mvp
Swisslink
Profile Joined March 2011
2952 Posts
September 27 2014 09:02 GMT
#89
3:0 INnoVation into 3:3 into infinite draws on Deadwing because neither of them can win GSL.
GumBa
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United Kingdom31935 Posts
September 27 2014 09:22 GMT
#90
On September 27 2014 12:17 lichter wrote:
If INnoVation plays straight up 4M in every single game, soO is going to crush him. INnoVation is one of the most mechanically gifted terrans; he isn't the best at any particular thing, but he is one of the best at everything. He relies on that to eventually wear down zergs with lesser mechanics. Unfortunately, soO is one of the zergs who can match him in that respect. He never misses injects, he spreads just enough creep at the right places, and he remembers to morph banelings under pressure. soO is very good at figuring out players. He's not brilliant in game, but he knows how to adjust. If INno plays 1 style, soO will figure him out immediately.

However, if INnoVation plays with his head instead of his hands, he should win.

He has gotten alot better at using his head! But I hope he doesnt forget D:
To all the haters: you deserve to witness many, many more Serral victories, worthy of the godlike player he is.
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
September 27 2014 09:44 GMT
#91
On September 27 2014 16:08 Grumbels wrote:
Aren't these two players chosen by Major?

Wow... Messiah.
andilaama
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland192 Posts
September 27 2014 09:53 GMT
#92
If soO still doesn't win this time, I'm certain he is a character created by Shakespeare (who never died and was preserved in a cryo-chamber until he was resurrected in 1992) for a new tragedy. soO is the protagonist for his final masterpiece soO the Second.
Heartland is an "Expert" "Expert".
NexUmbra
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Scotland3776 Posts
September 27 2014 11:28 GMT
#93
I'll be really sad if soO loses another final ;-;
Life has won two GSLs and a Blizzard Cup. NOT three GSLs.
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
September 27 2014 12:19 GMT
#94
Gonna go with soO for once
KT FlaSh FOREVER
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 27 2014 20:38 GMT
#95
betting my life's savings on innovation
Emerson_H
Profile Joined March 2014
United States460 Posts
September 27 2014 21:06 GMT
#96
The Kong curse is real. RIP soO
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
September 27 2014 21:14 GMT
#97
This is the first time someone has challenged soO in a final from a team that's already beaten soO in a finals. He lost to SouL, then KT, then SKT, then Samsung. But now he's being challenged by SKT again. I don't think it'l happen this time. This is soO's title to win.
The world is better when every background has a chance.
Superbanana
Profile Joined May 2014
2369 Posts
September 27 2014 21:41 GMT
#98
Its all about the first game. If INnoVation wins the first game, the curse is activated.
In PvZ the zerg can make the situation spire out of control but protoss can adept to the situation.
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
September 27 2014 21:43 GMT
#99
When shall we know about maps?
Jer99
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada8157 Posts
September 27 2014 22:11 GMT
#100
my god 5 second places will suck
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