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the fact that they could win a series doesn't mean that they are close to being among the best players in the world and that they should have an easier way to the tournament than better players in korea though.
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On August 19 2014 18:09 SatedSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 05:16 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 19 2014 00:26 SatedSC2 wrote:
The replies that this tweet's getting are pretty interesting wrt. this qualifier/tournament:
(Apologies if someone posted it when it was originally posted. This is the first time I've seen it because have just started replying to it again!) Why aren't you posting the official Kespa reply? He got pretty rekt. ^^ I assumed people are capable of using Twitter to look at all the replies..? EDIT: I disagree that anyone got "rekt". I think that both HuK and KeSPA make good points about the way that tournaments run their qualifiers. HuK was calling for more diversity based on the way other big tournaments run their qualifiers (DH/MLG/IEM et al.) and KeSPA were saying that they're only looking for the very best players and don't care about diversity. Both valid viewpoints as far as I'm concerned. The only thing that irks me is that I personally think that if you want the best players in the world like KeSPA claim then you should have qualifiers that aren't locked to a single server. By forcing games to be played on the KR server, KeSPA are assuming that there aren't any NA/EU based players who can take series off KR based players given even conditions. We know that isn't entirely true so I find their attitude pretty arrogant, which seems to be KeSPA's default attitude towards non-Korean Starcraft based on their recent interactions with the community. That the likelihood of an NA/EU based player making it through this qualifier is very small is irrelevant because you still need to give them the chance if you're going to make the claim that you want the best in the world. EDIT2: Ultimately, Ret had the best solution, but Blizzard lost this technology... =P
I really dont know about you but..I cannot see any non-korean NA/EU player making out of this qualifier unless they got an incredibly lucky draw and even then its debatable
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On August 19 2014 21:04 SatedSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 20:55 LighT. wrote:On August 19 2014 18:09 SatedSC2 wrote:On August 19 2014 05:16 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 19 2014 00:26 SatedSC2 wrote:The replies that this tweet's getting are pretty interesting wrt. this qualifier/tournament: https://twitter.com/LorangerChris/status/501217473597677570(Apologies if someone posted it when it was originally posted. This is the first time I've seen it because have just started replying to it again!) Why aren't you posting the official Kespa reply? He got pretty rekt. ^^ I assumed people are capable of using Twitter to look at all the replies..? EDIT: I disagree that anyone got "rekt". I think that both HuK and KeSPA make good points about the way that tournaments run their qualifiers. HuK was calling for more diversity based on the way other big tournaments run their qualifiers (DH/MLG/IEM et al.) and KeSPA were saying that they're only looking for the very best players and don't care about diversity. Both valid viewpoints as far as I'm concerned. The only thing that irks me is that I personally think that if you want the best players in the world like KeSPA claim then you should have qualifiers that aren't locked to a single server. By forcing games to be played on the KR server, KeSPA are assuming that there aren't any NA/EU based players who can take series off KR based players given even conditions. We know that isn't entirely true so I find their attitude pretty arrogant, which seems to be KeSPA's default attitude towards non-Korean Starcraft based on their recent interactions with the community. That the likelihood of an NA/EU based player making it through this qualifier is very small is irrelevant because you still need to give them the chance if you're going to make the claim that you want the best in the world. EDIT2: Ultimately, Ret had the best solution, but Blizzard lost this technology... =P https://twitter.com/LiquidRet/status/501387798315016192 I really dont know about you but..I cannot see any non-korean NA/EU player making out of this qualifier unless they got an incredibly lucky draw and even then its debatable Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 20:51 Elroi wrote:
the fact that they could win a series doesn't mean that they are close to being among the best players in the world and that they should have an easier way to the tournament than better players in korea though. "That the likelihood of an NA/EU based player making it through this qualifier is very small is irrelevant because you still need to give them the chance if you're going to make the claim that you want the best in the world."Literally part of the post you're both replying to...
they had a chance though. it was not locked for kr only...
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Kespa Cup's top 16 is better than WCS Global's top 16, I can assure you that. The WCS is not inclusive, either, as there are huge financial burdens for the top players in the world to go to all the tournaments that give padding points, which are mostly located in NA and Europe.
In the current scene, diversity is pretty much another word for not having the best players in the world.
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On August 19 2014 23:37 andrewlt wrote:
Kespa Cup's top 16 is better than WCS Global's top 16, I can assure you that. The WCS is not inclusive, either, as there are huge financial burdens for the top players in the world to go to all the tournaments that give padding points, which are mostly located in NA and Europe.
In the current scene, diversity is pretty much another word for not having the best players in the world.
I agree with this completely, especially after that post on Reddit about a week ago which featured the current top 16 in WCS points.
It's honestly a joke, more than half the people there ARE NOT EVEN CLOSE to being the top 16 in the world.
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On August 19 2014 21:59 SatedSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 21:23 Ammanas wrote:On August 19 2014 21:04 SatedSC2 wrote:On August 19 2014 20:55 LighT. wrote:On August 19 2014 18:09 SatedSC2 wrote:On August 19 2014 05:16 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 19 2014 00:26 SatedSC2 wrote:The replies that this tweet's getting are pretty interesting wrt. this qualifier/tournament: https://twitter.com/LorangerChris/status/501217473597677570(Apologies if someone posted it when it was originally posted. This is the first time I've seen it because have just started replying to it again!) Why aren't you posting the official Kespa reply? He got pretty rekt. ^^ I assumed people are capable of using Twitter to look at all the replies..? EDIT: I disagree that anyone got "rekt". I think that both HuK and KeSPA make good points about the way that tournaments run their qualifiers. HuK was calling for more diversity based on the way other big tournaments run their qualifiers (DH/MLG/IEM et al.) and KeSPA were saying that they're only looking for the very best players and don't care about diversity. Both valid viewpoints as far as I'm concerned. The only thing that irks me is that I personally think that if you want the best players in the world like KeSPA claim then you should have qualifiers that aren't locked to a single server. By forcing games to be played on the KR server, KeSPA are assuming that there aren't any NA/EU based players who can take series off KR based players given even conditions. We know that isn't entirely true so I find their attitude pretty arrogant, which seems to be KeSPA's default attitude towards non-Korean Starcraft based on their recent interactions with the community. That the likelihood of an NA/EU based player making it through this qualifier is very small is irrelevant because you still need to give them the chance if you're going to make the claim that you want the best in the world. EDIT2: Ultimately, Ret had the best solution, but Blizzard lost this technology... =P https://twitter.com/LiquidRet/status/501387798315016192 I really dont know about you but..I cannot see any non-korean NA/EU player making out of this qualifier unless they got an incredibly lucky draw and even then its debatable On August 19 2014 20:51 Elroi wrote:
the fact that they could win a series doesn't mean that they are close to being among the best players in the world and that they should have an easier way to the tournament than better players in korea though. "That the likelihood of an NA/EU based player making it through this qualifier is very small is irrelevant because you still need to give them the chance if you're going to make the claim that you want the best in the world."Literally part of the post you're both replying to... they had a chance though. it was not locked for kr only... KR server only as far as I can tell from the Twitter conversation/this thread. Playing from EU to KR is basically impossible from some parts of the EU. This is all hypothetical because - like I already said - the chances of any EU/NA based players getting through this qualifier would've been really small.
Holding qualifiers on other servers would give lesser skilled players more chance, because then the good koreans have to play with a disadvantage.
Doubt that was what they wanted
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OK i hate repeating, but where are the vods? Fasdfsdaawegf
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On August 20 2014 01:49 Door_Stealer wrote:
OK i hate repeating, but where are the vods? Fasdfsdaawegf
On August 19 2014 02:52 Lorning wrote:VODS: I'll update them when the rest is available+ Show Spoiler +
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On August 19 2014 23:37 andrewlt wrote:
Kespa Cup's top 16 is better than WCS Global's top 16, I can assure you that. The WCS is not inclusive, either, as there are huge financial burdens for the top players in the world to go to all the tournaments that give padding points, which are mostly located in NA and Europe.
In the current scene, diversity is pretty much another word for not having the best players in the world.
It's not like all the GSL or Proleague players are equally good. Every season casters hype "the most stacked season by far" blah blah blah and I see many sub-par players.
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On August 20 2014 01:52 Lorning wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2014 01:49 Door_Stealer wrote:
OK i hate repeating, but where are the vods? Fasdfsdaawegf
only those games were casted? And so many missing still x,x
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Kespa Cup means just that. Korean Esports ... Cup.
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On August 20 2014 02:42 usethis2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 23:37 andrewlt wrote:
Kespa Cup's top 16 is better than WCS Global's top 16, I can assure you that. The WCS is not inclusive, either, as there are huge financial burdens for the top players in the world to go to all the tournaments that give padding points, which are mostly located in NA and Europe.
In the current scene, diversity is pretty much another word for not having the best players in the world. It's not like all the GSL or Proleague players are equally good. Every season casters hype "the most stacked season by far" blah blah blah and I see many sub-par players.
There's just a couple of protosses that are comparably weaker then other players. They will be out next season, wouldn't worry about that.
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On August 20 2014 05:10 Ammanas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2014 02:42 usethis2 wrote:On August 19 2014 23:37 andrewlt wrote:
Kespa Cup's top 16 is better than WCS Global's top 16, I can assure you that. The WCS is not inclusive, either, as there are huge financial burdens for the top players in the world to go to all the tournaments that give padding points, which are mostly located in NA and Europe.
In the current scene, diversity is pretty much another word for not having the best players in the world. It's not like all the GSL or Proleague players are equally good. Every season casters hype "the most stacked season by far" blah blah blah and I see many sub-par players. There's just a couple of protosses that are comparably weaker then other players. They will be out next season, wouldn't worry about that.
That reminds me, every group so far has had a protoss in last place.
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On August 19 2014 21:59 SatedSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 21:23 Ammanas wrote:On August 19 2014 21:04 SatedSC2 wrote:On August 19 2014 20:55 LighT. wrote:On August 19 2014 18:09 SatedSC2 wrote:On August 19 2014 05:16 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 19 2014 00:26 SatedSC2 wrote:The replies that this tweet's getting are pretty interesting wrt. this qualifier/tournament: https://twitter.com/LorangerChris/status/501217473597677570(Apologies if someone posted it when it was originally posted. This is the first time I've seen it because have just started replying to it again!) Why aren't you posting the official Kespa reply? He got pretty rekt. ^^ I assumed people are capable of using Twitter to look at all the replies..? EDIT: I disagree that anyone got "rekt". I think that both HuK and KeSPA make good points about the way that tournaments run their qualifiers. HuK was calling for more diversity based on the way other big tournaments run their qualifiers (DH/MLG/IEM et al.) and KeSPA were saying that they're only looking for the very best players and don't care about diversity. Both valid viewpoints as far as I'm concerned. The only thing that irks me is that I personally think that if you want the best players in the world like KeSPA claim then you should have qualifiers that aren't locked to a single server. By forcing games to be played on the KR server, KeSPA are assuming that there aren't any NA/EU based players who can take series off KR based players given even conditions. We know that isn't entirely true so I find their attitude pretty arrogant, which seems to be KeSPA's default attitude towards non-Korean Starcraft based on their recent interactions with the community. That the likelihood of an NA/EU based player making it through this qualifier is very small is irrelevant because you still need to give them the chance if you're going to make the claim that you want the best in the world. EDIT2: Ultimately, Ret had the best solution, but Blizzard lost this technology... =P https://twitter.com/LiquidRet/status/501387798315016192 I really dont know about you but..I cannot see any non-korean NA/EU player making out of this qualifier unless they got an incredibly lucky draw and even then its debatable On August 19 2014 20:51 Elroi wrote:
the fact that they could win a series doesn't mean that they are close to being among the best players in the world and that they should have an easier way to the tournament than better players in korea though. "That the likelihood of an NA/EU based player making it through this qualifier is very small is irrelevant because you still need to give them the chance if you're going to make the claim that you want the best in the world."Literally part of the post you're both replying to... they had a chance though. it was not locked for kr only... KR server only as far as I can tell from the Twitter conversation/this thread. Playing from EU to KR is basically impossible from some parts of the EU. This is all hypothetical because - like I already said - the chances of any EU/NA based players getting through this qualifier would've been really small.
Any brits IE worstcase EU to KR connection with even 80mbs down 40 up internet still get about 3 seconds delay, can assume similar things for france netherlands etc.
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Oh I thought that would only be a cup for Kespa players, surprised they took a minimal risk of having someone from outside their system win. Then I saw the discussion here. Nice to know.
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On August 19 2014 21:04 SatedSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 20:55 LighT. wrote:On August 19 2014 18:09 SatedSC2 wrote:On August 19 2014 05:16 JustPassingBy wrote:On August 19 2014 00:26 SatedSC2 wrote:The replies that this tweet's getting are pretty interesting wrt. this qualifier/tournament: https://twitter.com/LorangerChris/status/501217473597677570(Apologies if someone posted it when it was originally posted. This is the first time I've seen it because have just started replying to it again!) Why aren't you posting the official Kespa reply? He got pretty rekt. ^^ I assumed people are capable of using Twitter to look at all the replies..? EDIT: I disagree that anyone got "rekt". I think that both HuK and KeSPA make good points about the way that tournaments run their qualifiers. HuK was calling for more diversity based on the way other big tournaments run their qualifiers (DH/MLG/IEM et al.) and KeSPA were saying that they're only looking for the very best players and don't care about diversity. Both valid viewpoints as far as I'm concerned. The only thing that irks me is that I personally think that if you want the best players in the world like KeSPA claim then you should have qualifiers that aren't locked to a single server. By forcing games to be played on the KR server, KeSPA are assuming that there aren't any NA/EU based players who can take series off KR based players given even conditions. We know that isn't entirely true so I find their attitude pretty arrogant, which seems to be KeSPA's default attitude towards non-Korean Starcraft based on their recent interactions with the community. That the likelihood of an NA/EU based player making it through this qualifier is very small is irrelevant because you still need to give them the chance if you're going to make the claim that you want the best in the world. EDIT2: Ultimately, Ret had the best solution, but Blizzard lost this technology... =P https://twitter.com/LiquidRet/status/501387798315016192 I really dont know about you but..I cannot see any non-korean NA/EU player making out of this qualifier unless they got an incredibly lucky draw and even then its debatable Show nested quote +On August 19 2014 20:51 Elroi wrote:
the fact that they could win a series doesn't mean that they are close to being among the best players in the world and that they should have an easier way to the tournament than better players in korea though. "That the likelihood of an NA/EU based player making it through this qualifier is very small is irrelevant because you still need to give them the chance if you're going to make the claim that you want the best in the world."Literally part of the post you're both replying to...
if i understand you correctly that is like saying that you should give a team from the second division in sweden a chance to play in the champions league because they could maybe beat a top team in the tournament. and as long as you don't give them a chance you can't know that the winner of the tournament is the best team in the world.
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When is the main tournament broadcasted?
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On August 20 2014 12:00 SKTRolster wrote:
When is the main tournament broadcasted?
Sept 11-14.
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