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Belgica34432 Posts
Poll: Recommend Losers Match Game 2?★- Do not see this game no matter what (0) 0% ★★- Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3) 100% ★★★- Good game (0) 0% ★★★★- Highly recommended game (0) 0% ★★★★★- One of the best games this season (0) 0% 3 total votes Your vote: Recommend Losers Match Game 2? (Vote): ★- Do not see this game no matter what
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(Vote): ★★★★★- One of the best games this season
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Russian Federation40186 Posts
On August 08 2014 20:44 KingAlphard wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2014 20:43 WGT-Baal wrote:On August 08 2014 20:42 KingAlphard wrote:
I don't understand Hush macro. He stayed on 46 probes for like 2 minutes, got very early colossi, and doesn't push? I think his goal is to first be safe and then put down a 3rd and 2 forges Usually you can hold everything without cutting probes and getting double forge much earlier... 2 forges at 12 minute is really really late.
Apparently even 6 collosi and i-think-decent FFS not enough to hold this :D. Probably because he lacked in viking focus fire and meat for collosi.
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Always a coin flip.
I don't like this kind of game.
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Did he have Photon Overcharge in that fight?
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Too big of an advantage for Reality for Hush to hold it, though he did his best and dropped some nice forcefields.
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If you expect the SCV pull isn't getting storm out before it comes the answer?
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On August 08 2014 20:45 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2014 20:44 KingAlphard wrote:On August 08 2014 20:43 WGT-Baal wrote:On August 08 2014 20:42 KingAlphard wrote:
I don't understand Hush macro. He stayed on 46 probes for like 2 minutes, got very early colossi, and doesn't push? I think his goal is to first be safe and then put down a 3rd and 2 forges Usually you can hold everything without cutting probes and getting double forge much earlier... 2 forges at 12 minute is really really late. Apparently even 6 collosi and i-think-decent FFS not enough to hold this :D. Probably because he lacked in viking focus fire and meat for collosi.
Imo they were terrible FFs
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On August 08 2014 20:45 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2014 20:44 KingAlphard wrote:On August 08 2014 20:43 WGT-Baal wrote:On August 08 2014 20:42 KingAlphard wrote:
I don't understand Hush macro. He stayed on 46 probes for like 2 minutes, got very early colossi, and doesn't push? I think his goal is to first be safe and then put down a 3rd and 2 forges Usually you can hold everything without cutting probes and getting double forge much earlier... 2 forges at 12 minute is really really late. Apparently even 6 collosi and i-think-decent FFS not enough to hold this :D. Probably because he lacked in viking focus fire and meat for collosi.
Well, no third for so long vs CC first...
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On August 08 2014 20:44 KingAlphard wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2014 20:43 WGT-Baal wrote:On August 08 2014 20:42 KingAlphard wrote:
I don't understand Hush macro. He stayed on 46 probes for like 2 minutes, got very early colossi, and doesn't push? I think his goal is to first be safe and then put down a 3rd and 2 forges Usually you can hold everything without cutting probes and getting double forge much earlier... 2 forges at 12 minute is really really late.
the sad thing is, even thoug he prepared for it, he still lost to that scv pull
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On August 08 2014 20:45 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2014 20:44 KingAlphard wrote:On August 08 2014 20:43 WGT-Baal wrote:On August 08 2014 20:42 KingAlphard wrote:
I don't understand Hush macro. He stayed on 46 probes for like 2 minutes, got very early colossi, and doesn't push? I think his goal is to first be safe and then put down a 3rd and 2 forges Usually you can hold everything without cutting probes and getting double forge much earlier... 2 forges at 12 minute is really really late. Apparently even 6 collosi and i-think-decent FFS not enough to hold this :D. Probably because he lacked in viking focus fire and meat for collosi.
I mean earlier timing attacks, like at 10-11th minute mark. That's when he cut probes and upgrades. Upgrades and better economy would have definitely helped in holding that late attack.
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SCV pulls make for pretty boring games tbh. Still, whatever works so that Reality can beat Hush and fulfill his destiny of losing to Trap.
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Russian Federation40186 Posts
On August 08 2014 20:46 Grizvok wrote:
If you expect the SCV pull isn't getting storm out before it comes the answer?
Then you have to go 1 collosi into storm tho, right? Because otherwise you probably just get rolled by pull when storm is almost done.
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"Which one of these losers is going to Code A"
Didn't quite come out right :D
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On August 08 2014 20:45 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2014 20:44 KingAlphard wrote:On August 08 2014 20:43 WGT-Baal wrote:On August 08 2014 20:42 KingAlphard wrote:
I don't understand Hush macro. He stayed on 46 probes for like 2 minutes, got very early colossi, and doesn't push? I think his goal is to first be safe and then put down a 3rd and 2 forges Usually you can hold everything without cutting probes and getting double forge much earlier... 2 forges at 12 minute is really really late. Apparently even 6 collosi and i-think-decent FFS not enough to hold this :D. Probably because he lacked in viking focus fire and meat for collosi.
What if hush pulled the probes in his natural? He would suffer a lot of economical damage, but would it be enough to lose him the game?
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On August 08 2014 20:46 Grizvok wrote:
If you expect the SCV pull isn't getting storm out before it comes the answer?
You can defend it fine with 5-6 colos like Hush does, but not with an overly conservative approach.
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@Grizvok : not really if your templar archive is not very early (11-12:00ish) already with your build, because you'll have very few templars with enough energy. The modern answer is trying to reach 2/2 (or 1/1 for 2 base pulls) with 5+ colossi. Here, with so late double forges, Hush had weak chances.
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On August 08 2014 20:46 gingerfluffmuff wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2014 20:45 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 08 2014 20:44 KingAlphard wrote:On August 08 2014 20:43 WGT-Baal wrote:On August 08 2014 20:42 KingAlphard wrote:
I don't understand Hush macro. He stayed on 46 probes for like 2 minutes, got very early colossi, and doesn't push? I think his goal is to first be safe and then put down a 3rd and 2 forges Usually you can hold everything without cutting probes and getting double forge much earlier... 2 forges at 12 minute is really really late. Apparently even 6 collosi and i-think-decent FFS not enough to hold this :D. Probably because he lacked in viking focus fire and meat for collosi. Imo they were terrible FFs
At first I actually thought they were amazing, but yeah they could have been much much better. He only trapped some SCV's. If he would've separated some actual fighting units from each other then he would've been in a much better spot.
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On August 08 2014 20:47 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2014 20:45 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 08 2014 20:44 KingAlphard wrote:On August 08 2014 20:43 WGT-Baal wrote:On August 08 2014 20:42 KingAlphard wrote:
I don't understand Hush macro. He stayed on 46 probes for like 2 minutes, got very early colossi, and doesn't push? I think his goal is to first be safe and then put down a 3rd and 2 forges Usually you can hold everything without cutting probes and getting double forge much earlier... 2 forges at 12 minute is really really late. Apparently even 6 collosi and i-think-decent FFS not enough to hold this :D. Probably because he lacked in viking focus fire and meat for collosi. What if hush pulled the probes in his natural? He would suffer a lot of economical damage, but would it be enough to lose him the game?
I also think his collo focus fire wasnt that great. Not all of them were firing in the middle of the bioforce for max damage, at least two were firing at the edges
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On August 08 2014 20:48 Grizvok wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2014 20:46 gingerfluffmuff wrote:On August 08 2014 20:45 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 08 2014 20:44 KingAlphard wrote:On August 08 2014 20:43 WGT-Baal wrote:On August 08 2014 20:42 KingAlphard wrote:
I don't understand Hush macro. He stayed on 46 probes for like 2 minutes, got very early colossi, and doesn't push? I think his goal is to first be safe and then put down a 3rd and 2 forges Usually you can hold everything without cutting probes and getting double forge much earlier... 2 forges at 12 minute is really really late. Apparently even 6 collosi and i-think-decent FFS not enough to hold this :D. Probably because he lacked in viking focus fire and meat for collosi. Imo they were terrible FFs At first I actually thought they were amazing, but yeah they could have been much much better. He only trapped some SCV's. If he would've separated some actual fighting units from each other then he would've been in a much better spot.
I just looked at all the terran units in a big concave shooting nonstop --> bad sign :D
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On August 08 2014 20:47 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2014 20:46 Grizvok wrote:
If you expect the SCV pull isn't getting storm out before it comes the answer? Then you have to go 1 collosi into storm tho, right? Because otherwise you probably just get rolled by pull when storm is almost done.
Well you can also go for 2 or 3 but you have to cut stalkers (like myungsik vs innovation yesterday in overgrowth), which is really bad against drops and you will lose your colossi almost immediately in an engagement, which is terrible especially if the terran doesn't commit to an scv pull.
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EPT
