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On July 22 2014 20:04 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:02 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:58 Nebuchad wrote:On July 22 2014 19:54 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. Broadcasted games represent a ridiculously small sample of what is actually played. Getting sent out 3 times in a row on this map and doing that build every time. It is working in practice, and it isn't Bbyong alone who has faith in it. Games these important are not ones where you experiment. I mean, you don't know what happens in practice either. Maybe Bbyong gets megarekt with bio lately and slightly less rekt with mech, so he decides to do this over bio. You can't expect us to follow your idea based on what we don't know, we obviously need more than that (I think Maru said recently that mech was not so bad vs protoss, that would be an example of "more than that", but still not enough) If that was the case then why send out Bbyong at all? It's not like CJ Entus doesn't have other good players. And I don't see how it working better than bio for a player of Bbyong's caliber can possibly be a point against it. bbyong is their semi ace and at least their second biggest star. You cannot bench him in the semi finals unless he is literally getting pwned in every game on ladder/pratice.
Him getting pwned in practice was kind of the foundation for that argument. Again, they are sending out this player on this map to do this built every time, I don't see how anyone can possibly argue against that indicating that at the very least this build is working well in practice and the team as a whole has faith in it.
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On July 22 2014 20:04 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:02 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:58 Nebuchad wrote:On July 22 2014 19:54 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. Broadcasted games represent a ridiculously small sample of what is actually played. Getting sent out 3 times in a row on this map and doing that build every time. It is working in practice, and it isn't Bbyong alone who has faith in it. Games these important are not ones where you experiment. I mean, you don't know what happens in practice either. Maybe Bbyong gets megarekt with bio lately and slightly less rekt with mech, so he decides to do this over bio. You can't expect us to follow your idea based on what we don't know, we obviously need more than that (I think Maru said recently that mech was not so bad vs protoss, that would be an example of "more than that", but still not enough) If that was the case then why send out Bbyong at all? It's not like CJ Entus doesn't have other good players. And I don't see how it working better than bio for a player of Bbyong's caliber can possibly be a point against it. bbyong is their semi ace and at least their second biggest star. You cannot bench him in the semi finals unless he is literally getting pwned in every game on ladder/pratice.
well, they could have replaced their "semi-ace" with the play off ace
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On July 22 2014 20:06 Exarl25 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:04 robson1 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:02 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:58 Nebuchad wrote:On July 22 2014 19:54 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. Broadcasted games represent a ridiculously small sample of what is actually played. Getting sent out 3 times in a row on this map and doing that build every time. It is working in practice, and it isn't Bbyong alone who has faith in it. Games these important are not ones where you experiment. I mean, you don't know what happens in practice either. Maybe Bbyong gets megarekt with bio lately and slightly less rekt with mech, so he decides to do this over bio. You can't expect us to follow your idea based on what we don't know, we obviously need more than that (I think Maru said recently that mech was not so bad vs protoss, that would be an example of "more than that", but still not enough) If that was the case then why send out Bbyong at all? It's not like CJ Entus doesn't have other good players. And I don't see how it working better than bio for a player of Bbyong's caliber can possibly be a point against it. bbyong is their semi ace and at least their second biggest star. You cannot bench him in the semi finals unless he is literally getting pwned in every game on ladder/pratice. Him getting pwned in practice was kind of the foundation for that argument. Again, they are sending out this player on this map to do this built every time, I don't see how anyone can possibly argue against that indicating that at the very least this build is working well in practice and the team as a whole has faith in it.
I don't think anyone has
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
Effort show us your OSL-winning skills
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On July 22 2014 20:06 Muffloe wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:04 robson1 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:02 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:58 Nebuchad wrote:On July 22 2014 19:54 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. Broadcasted games represent a ridiculously small sample of what is actually played. Getting sent out 3 times in a row on this map and doing that build every time. It is working in practice, and it isn't Bbyong alone who has faith in it. Games these important are not ones where you experiment. I mean, you don't know what happens in practice either. Maybe Bbyong gets megarekt with bio lately and slightly less rekt with mech, so he decides to do this over bio. You can't expect us to follow your idea based on what we don't know, we obviously need more than that (I think Maru said recently that mech was not so bad vs protoss, that would be an example of "more than that", but still not enough) If that was the case then why send out Bbyong at all? It's not like CJ Entus doesn't have other good players. And I don't see how it working better than bio for a player of Bbyong's caliber can possibly be a point against it. bbyong is their semi ace and at least their second biggest star. You cannot bench him in the semi finals unless he is literally getting pwned in every game on ladder/pratice. well, they could have replaced their "semi-ace" with the play off ace
Can't risk him getting killed off by the booth 5 mins into the game.
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On July 22 2014 20:07 Pangpootata wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:06 Muffloe wrote:On July 22 2014 20:04 robson1 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:02 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:58 Nebuchad wrote:On July 22 2014 19:54 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. Broadcasted games represent a ridiculously small sample of what is actually played. Getting sent out 3 times in a row on this map and doing that build every time. It is working in practice, and it isn't Bbyong alone who has faith in it. Games these important are not ones where you experiment. I mean, you don't know what happens in practice either. Maybe Bbyong gets megarekt with bio lately and slightly less rekt with mech, so he decides to do this over bio. You can't expect us to follow your idea based on what we don't know, we obviously need more than that (I think Maru said recently that mech was not so bad vs protoss, that would be an example of "more than that", but still not enough) If that was the case then why send out Bbyong at all? It's not like CJ Entus doesn't have other good players. And I don't see how it working better than bio for a player of Bbyong's caliber can possibly be a point against it. bbyong is their semi ace and at least their second biggest star. You cannot bench him in the semi finals unless he is literally getting pwned in every game on ladder/pratice. well, they could have replaced their "semi-ace" with the play off ace Can't risk him getting killed off by the booth 5 mins into the game.
Well, there's always that I guess :p
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1-6 vs Z..
God speed effOrt.
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Oh hey, I'm a Goliath.
Good unit.
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On July 22 2014 20:06 Exarl25 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 20:04 robson1 wrote:On July 22 2014 20:02 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:58 Nebuchad wrote:On July 22 2014 19:54 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. Broadcasted games represent a ridiculously small sample of what is actually played. Getting sent out 3 times in a row on this map and doing that build every time. It is working in practice, and it isn't Bbyong alone who has faith in it. Games these important are not ones where you experiment. I mean, you don't know what happens in practice either. Maybe Bbyong gets megarekt with bio lately and slightly less rekt with mech, so he decides to do this over bio. You can't expect us to follow your idea based on what we don't know, we obviously need more than that (I think Maru said recently that mech was not so bad vs protoss, that would be an example of "more than that", but still not enough) If that was the case then why send out Bbyong at all? It's not like CJ Entus doesn't have other good players. And I don't see how it working better than bio for a player of Bbyong's caliber can possibly be a point against it. bbyong is their semi ace and at least their second biggest star. You cannot bench him in the semi finals unless he is literally getting pwned in every game on ladder/pratice. Him getting pwned in practice was kind of the foundation for that argument. Again, they are sending out this player on this map to do this built every time, I don't see how anyone can possibly argue against that indicating that at the very least this build is working well in practice and the team as a whole has faith in it.
No it wasn't. The foundation of my argument is that you're asking us to believe something based on what we don't know. That works in a few things in life, but it won't work here.
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smh every zerg knew soulkey was going to 15hatch, why did effort not early pool ! hopefully he plays well then.
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On July 22 2014 20:09 Phredxor wrote:
Oh hey, I'm a Goliath.
Good unit.
And you're online :O
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On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself.
This is as silly as saying that a bio player losing 0-2 proves that bio isn't viable, just because his composition wasn't hilariously off. You were tricked and have 2 vikings too few to defend his colossi. You didn't scout ahead enough and ran into some storms. And saying something as simple as "air/tempests wins everything in lategame TvP" is almost insulting to the beauty and complexity of the game. Neither player played perfectly and he had a plan as he didn't just immediately gg. I could say also that a terran that has a 190 supply army wins everything lategame, but there are so many factors to consider and still so many ways to lose. I don't think you can say something so conclusively.
In a pro game you can lose if anything is slightly off. That's common sense. You should know this.
I also choose to trust a professional gamer who was comfortable enough to let the game go that long and do it 3 times and surely has a much better understanding of the game than you.
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On July 22 2014 20:10 duckk wrote:
smh every zerg knew soulkey was going to 15hatch, why did effort not early pool ! hopefully he plays well then.
beacuse he does not want to gamble on his Teams life in Semi Finals i guess.
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On July 22 2014 20:10 Circumstance wrote:And you're online :O
Wish they were online in SC2. 
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51489 Posts
so Classic vs Sora happened again with PartinG vs herO
Now soO vs Hydra is happening again
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On July 22 2014 20:11 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:Show nested quote +On July 22 2014 19:48 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 Exarl25 wrote:On July 22 2014 19:44 TheDwf wrote:On July 22 2014 19:41 Exarl25 wrote:
It is viable. There is absolutely no chance in hell he would do the same thing 3 times on this map in such important games if it didn't have merit. Standard play fails too if your build isn't tight enough and you are slow on your transitions. If he got that AA up faster the game goes on. If he gets that AA up he still loses to the addition of Templars. Air/Templars wins everything in lategame TvP. Going to trust in the judgement of a team in the playoffs of Proleague over yours. Sure, the 0-2 record against answers that were not hilariously off speaks for itself. This is as silly as saying that a bio player losing 0-2 proves that bio isn't viable, just because his composition wasn't hilariously off. You were tricked and have 2 vikings too few to defend his colossi. You didn't scout ahead enough and ran into some storms. Etc. etc. In a pro game you can lose if anything is slightly off. That's common sense. You should know this. I also choose to trust a professional gamer who was comfortable enough to let the game go that long and do it 3 times and surely has a much better understanding of the game than you to say it's not viable.
No it's not. There are plenty games were bio works, there is 1 game where mech vs toss worked, and it was basically a complete derp by Classic.
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I want an ace match, go effort!
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
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