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On July 07 2014 05:43 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 05:41 kaykoose wrote:On July 07 2014 05:40 Knatterking wrote:
What is avilo doing? What he always does... just a few posters being overdramatic What he always does is bad. You just need to look at this thread to see that he takes away from the enjoyment of the game. Using "he always does it" as an excuse isn't really the best defense ever. CombatEX was always a dick, that didn't save him sadly.
While I admittedly wasn't around to see combatEX, what I've heard about him is far worse than Avilo who strictly balance whines. The posters in this thread didn't have to tune into his stream. They knew what the "radio cast" was all about
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On July 07 2014 05:43 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 05:41 kaykoose wrote:On July 07 2014 05:40 Knatterking wrote:
What is avilo doing? What he always does... just a few posters being overdramatic What he always does is bad. You just need to look at this thread to see that he takes away from the enjoyment of the game. Using "he always does it" as an excuse isn't really the best defense ever. CombatEX was always a dick, that didn't save him sadly.
Now wait a minute. I thought CombatEX was banned for cheating. How is Avilo anywhere close to CombatEX? CombatEX is a cheater. Avilo is outspoken about his controversial opinions. Where's the comparison?
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On July 07 2014 05:55 codonbyte wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 05:43 nkr wrote:On July 07 2014 05:41 kaykoose wrote:On July 07 2014 05:40 Knatterking wrote:
What is avilo doing? What he always does... just a few posters being overdramatic What he always does is bad. You just need to look at this thread to see that he takes away from the enjoyment of the game. Using "he always does it" as an excuse isn't really the best defense ever. CombatEX was always a dick, that didn't save him sadly. Now wait a minute. I thought CombatEX was banned for cheating. How is Avilo anywhere close to CombatEX? CombatEX is a cheater. Avilo is outspoken about his controversial opinions. Where's the comparison?
It was a lot about CombatEx being a generally shitty person online as well I think
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I gotta say, I don't have much of an issue with Avilo being featured or not, but the point they're making looks valid
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Oh, Avilo balance whined and talked shit about the only thing he does in life that makes him worth talking about?
What's new?
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On July 07 2014 05:57 Crownlol wrote:
Oh, Avilo balance whined and talked shit about the only thing he does in life that makes him worth talking about?
What's new?
Total Biscuit
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On July 07 2014 05:31 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 05:27 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
I like Avilo because he is venting rage on behalf of everyone who secretly agrees with him but doesn't want to risk their reputation by saying all the shit people really think, mocking the state of the game right now and has the balls to call out how boring it has become. Only Avilo can say this because his community respect is already pretty bad. I dislike Avilo because him "venting" is just him whining about balance 24/7 because he isn't that good at the game. He shits on the game, it's designers, etc to the point that new viewer would be turned off of sc2 forever. He's BM, disrespectful, and thinks he is some incredible god at the game because... Reasons. It's not like "everyone is thinking it and Avilo is the only one saying it" it's just Avilo thinking it and just him spouting this non stop bullshit
You're spot on. Avilo is bad for the scene and it's good when people call him out on his toxicity.
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On July 07 2014 05:56 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 05:55 codonbyte wrote:On July 07 2014 05:43 nkr wrote:On July 07 2014 05:41 kaykoose wrote:On July 07 2014 05:40 Knatterking wrote:
What is avilo doing? What he always does... just a few posters being overdramatic What he always does is bad. You just need to look at this thread to see that he takes away from the enjoyment of the game. Using "he always does it" as an excuse isn't really the best defense ever. CombatEX was always a dick, that didn't save him sadly. Now wait a minute. I thought CombatEX was banned for cheating. How is Avilo anywhere close to CombatEX? CombatEX is a cheater. Avilo is outspoken about his controversial opinions. Where's the comparison? It was a lot about CombatEx being a generally shitty person online as well I think
Yeah, but the thing that pushed it over the edge was him cheating, or pretending to be sick to get donations or whatever it is he did that created a big controversy. Not just him being a dick on ladder, right?
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On July 07 2014 05:47 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Removing Avilo from the featured list seems like a perfectly reasonable measure to me. It would not be the first time someone has been removed from the featured list because Teamliquid believed their content was detrimental to the site and scene. Avilo qualifies. It's not like his stream is even good enough quality to be featured anyway, I guess the ad money wasn't enough to buy a proper microphone.
Good idea!
And while we're at it, we can also ban all the Korean players without mic and/or camera, since their quality is surely worse than a stream with a cam and a bad mic.
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On July 07 2014 06:01 mabla wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 05:47 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Removing Avilo from the featured list seems like a perfectly reasonable measure to me. It would not be the first time someone has been removed from the featured list because Teamliquid believed their content was detrimental to the site and scene. Avilo qualifies. It's not like his stream is even good enough quality to be featured anyway, I guess the ad money wasn't enough to buy a proper microphone. Good idea! And while we're at it, we can also ban all the Korean players without mic and/or camera, since their quality is surely worse than a stream with a cam and a bad mic.
That's... a pretty innovative interpretation of what TB meant
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On July 07 2014 06:01 mabla wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 05:47 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Removing Avilo from the featured list seems like a perfectly reasonable measure to me. It would not be the first time someone has been removed from the featured list because Teamliquid believed their content was detrimental to the site and scene. Avilo qualifies. It's not like his stream is even good enough quality to be featured anyway, I guess the ad money wasn't enough to buy a proper microphone. Good idea! And while we're at it, we can also ban all the Korean players without mic and/or camera, since their quality is surely worse than a stream with a cam and a bad mic.
Their streams are objectively better from a production standpoint since Avilo is not speaking in any of them.
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On July 07 2014 06:03 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 06:01 mabla wrote:On July 07 2014 05:47 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Removing Avilo from the featured list seems like a perfectly reasonable measure to me. It would not be the first time someone has been removed from the featured list because Teamliquid believed their content was detrimental to the site and scene. Avilo qualifies. It's not like his stream is even good enough quality to be featured anyway, I guess the ad money wasn't enough to buy a proper microphone. Good idea! And while we're at it, we can also ban all the Korean players without mic and/or camera, since their quality is surely worse than a stream with a cam and a bad mic. Their streams are objectively better from a production standpoint since Avilo is not speaking in any of them.
1.3k people disagree with you, seeing as at this very moment, his stream is ONLY his voice and 1.3k viewers think that's good enough to tune into.
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On July 07 2014 06:07 codonbyte wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 06:03 TotalBiscuit wrote:On July 07 2014 06:01 mabla wrote:On July 07 2014 05:47 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Removing Avilo from the featured list seems like a perfectly reasonable measure to me. It would not be the first time someone has been removed from the featured list because Teamliquid believed their content was detrimental to the site and scene. Avilo qualifies. It's not like his stream is even good enough quality to be featured anyway, I guess the ad money wasn't enough to buy a proper microphone. Good idea! And while we're at it, we can also ban all the Korean players without mic and/or camera, since their quality is surely worse than a stream with a cam and a bad mic. Their streams are objectively better from a production standpoint since Avilo is not speaking in any of them. 1.3k people disagree with you, seeing as at this very moment, his stream is ONLY his voice and 1.3k viewers think that's good enough to tune into.
He said from a production standpoint. I doubt that's the reason people pick his stream over others.
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On July 07 2014 06:07 codonbyte wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 06:03 TotalBiscuit wrote:On July 07 2014 06:01 mabla wrote:On July 07 2014 05:47 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Removing Avilo from the featured list seems like a perfectly reasonable measure to me. It would not be the first time someone has been removed from the featured list because Teamliquid believed their content was detrimental to the site and scene. Avilo qualifies. It's not like his stream is even good enough quality to be featured anyway, I guess the ad money wasn't enough to buy a proper microphone. Good idea! And while we're at it, we can also ban all the Korean players without mic and/or camera, since their quality is surely worse than a stream with a cam and a bad mic. Their streams are objectively better from a production standpoint since Avilo is not speaking in any of them. 1.3k people disagree with you, seeing as at this very moment, his stream is ONLY his voice and 1.3k viewers think that's good enough to tune into.
It's cute that you think they're tuning in because they like him. You need only read his chat, the majority of people hate him, they're there to make fun of him.
If I turn on my stream right now with a static image I will get more views than Avilo. 1.3k people is not impressive. He is a circus act, the village idiot, the kind of person you put in the stocks and throw rotten fruit at. If anything he is a symptom of a diseased scene that needs a good clean-up, someone who should be left to languish in obscurity, not given pride of place on the Teamliquid frontpage.
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On July 07 2014 05:32 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 05:30 jakethesnake wrote:On July 07 2014 05:29 Zealously wrote:On July 07 2014 05:27 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
I like Avilo because he is venting rage on behalf of everyone who secretly agrees with him but doesn't want to risk their reputation by saying all the shit people really think, mocking the state of the game right now and has the balls to call out how boring it has become. Only Avilo can say this because his community respect is already pretty bad. avilo is a bad player though. There are thirty or more Korean Protosses that would stomp him with both Z and T. thirty? Quite the litotes there One hundred and thirty, I'm sorry I'm quite tired
thing is, it doesn't matter if there are 100ish better ppl than him, there billions who are worse than him.
he is right to a certain point. ofc he is hugely exaggerating and raging and stuff - yet his understanding is deep enough to realise the game is not in a good condition. you do not need to be the WCS winner to see that mech does not work the way it worked in broodwar.
personally i do think there could be slight improvements here and there, but i will not say im unhappy about an average GM terran-rager (with a fanbase) that maybe will start a thinking process by the game developers.
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On July 07 2014 06:11 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 06:07 codonbyte wrote:On July 07 2014 06:03 TotalBiscuit wrote:On July 07 2014 06:01 mabla wrote:On July 07 2014 05:47 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Removing Avilo from the featured list seems like a perfectly reasonable measure to me. It would not be the first time someone has been removed from the featured list because Teamliquid believed their content was detrimental to the site and scene. Avilo qualifies. It's not like his stream is even good enough quality to be featured anyway, I guess the ad money wasn't enough to buy a proper microphone. Good idea! And while we're at it, we can also ban all the Korean players without mic and/or camera, since their quality is surely worse than a stream with a cam and a bad mic. Their streams are objectively better from a production standpoint since Avilo is not speaking in any of them. 1.3k people disagree with you, seeing as at this very moment, his stream is ONLY his voice and 1.3k viewers think that's good enough to tune into. It's cute that you think they're tuning in because they like him. You need only read his chat, the majority of people hate him, they're there to make fun of him. If I turn on my stream right now with a static image I will get more views than Avilo. 1.3k people is not impressive. He is a circus act, the village idiot, the kind of person you put in the stocks and throw rotten fruit at. If anything he is a symptom of a diseased scene that needs a good clean-up, someone who should be left to languish in obscurity, not given pride of place on the Teamliquid frontpage.
sometimes the village idiot is more entertaining than the the actually game. this worries me more than a single bm-streamer.
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On July 07 2014 06:11 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2014 06:07 codonbyte wrote:On July 07 2014 06:03 TotalBiscuit wrote:On July 07 2014 06:01 mabla wrote:On July 07 2014 05:47 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Removing Avilo from the featured list seems like a perfectly reasonable measure to me. It would not be the first time someone has been removed from the featured list because Teamliquid believed their content was detrimental to the site and scene. Avilo qualifies. It's not like his stream is even good enough quality to be featured anyway, I guess the ad money wasn't enough to buy a proper microphone. Good idea! And while we're at it, we can also ban all the Korean players without mic and/or camera, since their quality is surely worse than a stream with a cam and a bad mic. Their streams are objectively better from a production standpoint since Avilo is not speaking in any of them. 1.3k people disagree with you, seeing as at this very moment, his stream is ONLY his voice and 1.3k viewers think that's good enough to tune into. It's cute that you think they're tuning in because they like him. You need only read his chat, the majority of people hate him, they're there to make fun of him. If I turn on my stream right now with a static image I will get more views than Avilo. 1.3k people is not impressive. He is a circus act, the village idiot, the kind of person you put in the stocks and throw rotten fruit at. If anything he is a symptom of a diseased scene that needs a good clean-up, someone who should be left to languish in obscurity, not given pride of place on the Teamliquid frontpage.
You are toxic, really toxic for SC2 community, and you should stop doing this kind of stuff.
Stick to what you know and not venture into realms about you don't even have a clue.
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There is no doubt in my mind that Avilo is a toxic figure and does not deserve to be featured on Team Liquid. The way he constantly blames extraneous factors for his own shortcomings instead of working hard on his weak areas in order to improve that really annoys me.
And as TotalBiscuit mentioned, his whiny voice and shitty mic quality doesn't help matters.
I totally agree with the calls to remove him from the featured streams. He is toxic and does in no way shape or form deserve it.
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