[WCS EU] Ro4 and Finals Premier Season 2 2014 - Page 66

On July 07 2014 06:36 Crot4le wrote:


Recent five tourneys: 2 Protoss, 2 Terran, 1 Zerg. Seems pretty balanced to me.

On July 07 2014 06:34 TotalBiscuit wrote:


So that puts me on the level of Avilo then, who has not accomplished anything as a SC2 player.

As an fyi I have actually won more televised showmatches than Avilo has

On July 07 2014 06:39 HomeWorld wrote:. Stick to your business, don't try to look smarter against ppl who knows a hell lot more about this game than you.

On July 07 2014 06:34 Crot4le wrote:
Avilo is playing currently playing against Terran, so is obviously now claiming that his opponent is map hacking because he obviously can't blame it on balance in this situation!

On July 07 2014 06:41 Crot4le wrote:
avilo still convinced his opponent is maphacking. Just started raging about how his opponent knew EXACTLY where to scan his army, conveniently overlooking the fact that his opponent has a sensor tower.

On July 07 2014 06:11 TotalBiscuit wrote:


It's cute that you think they're tuning in because they like him. You need only read his chat, the majority of people hate him, they're there to make fun of him.

If I turn on my stream right now with a static image I will get more views than Avilo. 1.3k people is not impressive. He is a circus act, the village idiot, the kind of person you put in the stocks and throw rotten fruit at. If anything he is a symptom of a diseased scene that needs a good clean-up, someone who should be left to languish in obscurity, not given pride of place on the Teamliquid frontpage.

On July 07 2014 06:37 Lyyna wrote:

A safe heaven.. as long as you don't remember him there is other mech players, that some of them are known, and that some of them are as good / better than him. Also, as long you agree with him, don't say anything to contradict him, and to try to argue with him, regardless of how polite or constructive you are.

In short, it is a safe heaven, as long as you don't try to do anything besides actively supporting him.

On July 07 2014 06:36 Crot4le wrote:


Recent five tourneys: 2 Protoss, 2 Terran, 1 Zerg. Seems pretty balanced to me.

On July 07 2014 06:45 SirPinky wrote:


I don't think people tune into the "village idiot" to laugh at him nightly. A "side show"would get old after one night; however, he has a continuous following and averages around 800-1.3k nightly. When you say Avilo is a sympton of the scene I hope you mean the disgraceful state of Terran. People are frustrated with the race and Avilo is there to feed the masses and comfort them and identify with their frustration. Once Terran is less marginalized as a race, Avilo viewership will go down. Right now the state of Terran is helping grown his community; heck, even TL has front page articles reinforcing much of the Avilo mentality (of course the article was far more constructive and toned down, but it carried the same message). Avilo is the same as Bill Maher getting more viewership during the Bush administration or Rush Limbaugh receiving more popularity during a Democrats term. The same applies to Avilo.

On July 07 2014 06:30 TotalBiscuit wrote:




Avilo viewer spotted. Yes suuuure, Avilo is the one brave voice of the Terran race, everyone else is too afraid to say anything, got it.

Avilo does so much damage to the balance discussion because he seeds it with misinformation, nonsense and rhetoric. Just extreme SJW make discussing important topics online difficult, Avilos existence and audience makes discussing balance difficult.

As for professionalism, I am not concerned about your opinion on professionalism. You watch Avilo, you obviously do not care about professionalism, you simply want to use it as a shield against my criticism. What do you want me to do, apologise for having a larger audience than Avilo? I'm not allowed to criticise anyone who isn't as successful as me? Yeah I don't see your logic here. Community figures should be condemning cancerous elements of our scene. If we won't, who will?

On July 07 2014 06:45 SirPinky wrote:


I don't think people tune into the "village idiot" to laugh at him nightly. A "side show"would get old after one night; however, he has a continuous following and averages around 800-1.3k nightly. When you say Avilo is a sympton of the scene I hope you mean the disgraceful state of Terran. People are frustrated with the race and Avilo is there to feed the masses and comfort them and identify with their frustration. Once Terran is less marginalized as a race, Avilo viewership will go down. Right now the state of Terran is helping grown his community; heck, even TL has front page articles reinforcing much of the Avilo mentality (of course the article was far more constructive and toned down, but it carried the same message). Avilo is the same as Bill Maher getting more viewership during the Bush administration or Rush Limbaugh receiving more popularity during a Democrats term. The same applies to Avilo.

On July 07 2014 06:40 TotalBiscuit wrote:


So when are those people going to join this conversation?

On July 07 2014 06:42 TotalBiscuit wrote:


Constantly accusing other players of maphacking on a public stream, opening them up to harassment and abuse seems like exactly the kind of thing that should get your Teamliquid featured status revoked in my humble opinion. Sure, players get mad every once and a while and say something stupid but this is literally all Avilo ever does.

On July 07 2014 06:42 TotalBiscuit wrote:


Constantly accusing other players of maphacking on a public stream, opening them up to harassment and abuse seems like exactly the kind of thing that should get your Teamliquid featured status revoked in my humble opinion. Sure, players get mad every once and a while and say something stupid but this is literally all Avilo ever does.

On July 07 2014 06:51 codonbyte wrote:

Did you ever consider that maybe, just maybe, some of the people he accuses are actually hacking? As a streamer, and one who is the target of a large number of haters, he does tend to get stream-sniped quite often, moreso even than other streamers with similar numbers of viewers.

And as for your allegation that he sends his viewers to harass those who he suspects of stream-cheating/map-hacking, let me just say that I've seen him ban viewers who suggest that others go harass his opponent. You should probably be careful about making unfounded accusations like that.