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[SPL] Jin Air vs KT - Round 1 2014 - Page 65

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NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
January 05 2014 12:34 GMT
#1281
On January 05 2014 21:32 Ctesias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 21:31 orvinreyes wrote:
On January 05 2014 21:30 opterown wrote:
On January 05 2014 21:29 Kasaraki wrote:
I'm glad Jin Air coach wised up and realised he should play Maru as ace.

sOs pick last week was fine, since maru's TvZ is not his best. but against KT, with no viable zerg, maru is your man.


KT needs mafia zerg!

They should've gotten Soulkey instead.

When soul disbanded i really thought they'd get classic for sure...
"Start yo" -FlaSh
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
January 05 2014 12:34 GMT
#1282
let's transition over to the Cj vs Samsung thread
Get off my lawn, young punks
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
January 05 2014 12:35 GMT
#1283
On January 05 2014 21:33 scares wrote:
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On January 05 2014 21:28 Teoita wrote:
On January 05 2014 21:26 Heartland wrote:
On January 05 2014 21:24 Teoita wrote:
On January 05 2014 21:22 Adreme wrote:
On January 05 2014 21:22 Teoita wrote:
This map is goddamn ridicolous for blink allins. The counter to it is to not make imbalanced maps, actually listen to the play testers (like the tl strat players) and make that cliff going to the main similar to the one on Ohana.

Goddamn it.


Well Maru built to blind counter it and it seems to have worked.


The thing with blink allins is that they are crazy deceptive. Nothing stops the toss from just making 8 blink stalkers and taking a third instead, while the poor terran sits there going FUCKFUCKFUCKFUCK BUNKERS FUCK.

I'm fine with allins being part of the game, but it's boring as hell when on some maps it's the only thing you shoudl do (the exception is soultrains ofc xD)


I see what you're saying, but don't you think there's a case for Terran to scout better during the attack? With SCVs like Maru is doing now, or with another Reaper, scan, stray marine, etc


Dunno if the toss has map control with stalkers pre stim you cant do much scouting...at the end of the day it's just easier to make mains without insane surface area (that coincidentally also make pvp vs blink a bit more reasonable, again see ohana)

While you are right, I still think map diversity is a good thing, and just having re-skins of the same map would also suck, and if you force map makers to stick to loads of perimeters, like not much surface area, big enough main for production, ramp at natural, small ramp to main, accessible but not to easy third, after a while all the maps will boil down to be very similar (it already is actually, i find it (slightly) sad that we can have "one standard strategy for the whole match up doesn't matter what the map is" as I'd prefer the map to determine the strategy more. But this shows the whole balancing problem again as you cannot please everyone!


Oh i agree for sure, i just think that blink shouldnt be THAT strong on Yeonsu. That ridge is really fucking big, so you have lots of room to add a chasm type thing and make it big enough that blink allins arent op, but they are still stronger than on the average map
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
January 05 2014 12:35 GMT
#1284
On January 05 2014 21:34 ACrow wrote:
let's transition over to the Cj vs Samsung thread


Yeah. At least a match that will not get me mad
#1 KT Rolster fanboy. KT BEST KT ! Hail to KT playoffs Zergs ! Unofficial french translator for SlayerS_`Boxer` biography "Crazy as me".
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18524 Posts
January 05 2014 12:35 GMT
#1285
On January 05 2014 21:33 Adreme wrote:
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On January 05 2014 21:30 Yello wrote:
On January 05 2014 21:28 THM wrote:
OMG, I cannot believe what a retarded decision that was. Send a protoss on that map to do the SINGLE MOST PREDICTABLE build in the history of the game. No build is that strong that it will win if the opponent knows with 100% certainty that it's coming, the opponent will always just prepare for that and win, and that was exactly what happened. I cannot believe the stupidity -.-

Send Flash next time please!


this was actually pretty close and with some better decisions (and without the micro fails) Zest could have won.


I don't say could have won I Zest had that game won right before he ran his units into one bunker lost most of his stalkers for it and then lost the advantage he had. He goes into the main he wins, he waits one more warp in round for a critical mass of stalkers he wins, he does anything besides what he did and he wins the game.


huh, maru had bunkers in the main too
he was prepared for everything
Philozovic
Profile Joined August 2012
France1677 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-05 12:36:26
January 05 2014 12:35 GMT
#1286
Zest :'(


-1 from the trade -2 from his result ... Yep that was a good move
INnoVation is the absolute best | I wept for i knew his words to be true
tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
January 05 2014 12:35 GMT
#1287
yes, do a micro intensive build against maru
scrub - inexperienced player with relatively little skill and excessive arrogance
ChoDing
Profile Joined November 2009
United States740 Posts
January 05 2014 12:36 GMT
#1288
omg, wookie gonna get bitch slapped by coach, fifa hoon
관광 since 2008. Master of Cheese. God of Heartbreak Ridge.
shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
January 05 2014 12:37 GMT
#1289
ZEALOUSLY predictions going well already !
RIP MKP
PPN
Profile Joined August 2011
France248 Posts
January 05 2014 12:37 GMT
#1290
On January 05 2014 21:28 JustPassingBy wrote:
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On January 05 2014 21:23 NovaMB wrote:
On January 05 2014 21:22 Teoita wrote:
This map is goddamn ridicolous for blink allins. The counter to it is to not make imbalanced maps, actually listen to the play testers (like the tl strat players) and make that cliff going to the main similar to the one on Ohana.

Goddamn it.

edit: or hope the toss player fucks up lol

Yesterday Babyknight came back from a 40 supply deficit in PvP against HasuObs using solely 6-10 Blink Stalkers.


The funny part is how the mapmakers agreed that it is totally bad if reapers can jump into your base from anywhere, hence they only made the double cliff with only one small edge, but they don't seem to see the same problem with blink stalkers.


That's because reapers are in your base at 3:30-4:00 and blink stalkers around 7:30-8:00 but hey let's do stupid comparison!
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
January 05 2014 12:37 GMT
#1291
On January 05 2014 21:36 ChoDing wrote:
omg, wookie gonna get bitch slapped by coach, fifa hoon

Replace him with a zerg next match and he will learn his lesson. Should be a good motivator to work harder.
Flash | Mvp
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
January 05 2014 12:38 GMT
#1292
On January 05 2014 21:30 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 21:29 Kasaraki wrote:
I'm glad Jin Air coach wised up and realised he should play Maru as ace.

sOs pick last week was fine, since maru's TvZ is not his best. but against KT, with no viable zerg, maru is your man.

I'm probably a bit biased because I want to see Maru play. :p But felt a bit weird to send sOs out against someone who already defeated him, especially since he was not looking good that day. Solar did beat Maru in HSC qualifiers though, so yeah, neither player seemed a solid choice against Z and Solar in particular, but Maru seemed to be in better shape with better momentum.

And I wonder if the blink all-in on Yeonsu will begin to be phased out now. Terrans seem to have figured it out, and it's way too predictable on that map. Here's hoping.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
January 05 2014 12:39 GMT
#1293
On January 05 2014 21:37 shid0x wrote:
ZEALOUSLY predictions going well already !


Hey man

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426481
AdministratorBreak the chains
ChoDing
Profile Joined November 2009
United States740 Posts
January 05 2014 12:39 GMT
#1294
On January 05 2014 21:37 Ctesias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 21:36 ChoDing wrote:
omg, wookie gonna get bitch slapped by coach, fifa hoon

Replace him with a zerg next match and he will learn his lesson. Should be a good motivator to work harder.


what zerg?

action? hoejja...?

RIP KT ZERG crazy retired right
관광 since 2008. Master of Cheese. God of Heartbreak Ridge.
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12246 Posts
January 05 2014 12:40 GMT
#1295
I thought ace picks were chosen together with the rest of the lineup?
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
January 05 2014 12:40 GMT
#1296
On January 05 2014 21:39 ChoDing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 21:37 Ctesias wrote:
On January 05 2014 21:36 ChoDing wrote:
omg, wookie gonna get bitch slapped by coach, fifa hoon

Replace him with a zerg next match and he will learn his lesson. Should be a good motivator to work harder.


what zerg?

action? hoejja...?

RIP KT ZERG crazy retired right

That's what I'm saying. Replace him with nothing and he'll learn.
Flash | Mvp
ne4aJIb
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Russian Federation3209 Posts
January 05 2014 12:42 GMT
#1297
On January 05 2014 21:40 Teoita wrote:
I thought ace picks were chosen together with the rest of the lineup?


of course not!
Bisu,Best,Stork,Jangbi and Flash, Fantasy, Leta, Light and Jaedong, Hydra, Zero, Soulkey assemble in ACE now!
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
January 05 2014 12:45 GMT
#1298
On January 05 2014 21:39 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2014 21:37 shid0x wrote:
ZEALOUSLY predictions going well already !


Hey man

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426481



Confirmation bias bro.
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
Extenz
Profile Joined October 2011
Italy822 Posts
January 05 2014 12:51 GMT
#1299
wow terrans destroyed protoss today
w3c.TruE
Profile Joined November 2013
Czech Republic1055 Posts
January 05 2014 12:53 GMT
#1300
On January 05 2014 21:31 Salteador Neo wrote:
If any other race got stomped so hard, there would be at least two dozen mad nerds crying imbalance

Yeah exactly. Especially if that winning race would be Protoss. Although all the Terran wins was well deserved today. But if Protoss would go 5-0 in some match, twitch chat and this forums would be unbearable, and thread would be like 500 pages long with 90% of posts: "Protoss IMBA, nerf that stupid faceroll race." It's just sad.
Dream, Dark, herO, PartinG, RorO, Bbyong, Rain, soO, PtitDrogo <3. Goodbye RorO, MC you were awesome! You will be remembered!
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