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istandwithmitt
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil117 Posts
November 12 2013 23:59 GMT
#21
jowj is going to spank these children & send them to bed w/o dessert & im going to fucking love it its going to be a real uncomfortable experience for everyone except for me & jowj
Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
November 13 2013 00:03 GMT
#22
I´m thankful for every tournament there is, so pls take the following as constructive critizism, because I really appreciate this, regardless of the points I´ll make.

The NA scene needs grass roots events like this to evolve into a more or less stable state again, but doing invitationals is another side of the problem, the NA scene currently has: People in NA get big through there pesonality, not through actually playing the game better (For example, if you look at the streaming list right now, you´ll see, that a less skilled, but more whiny american version of Strelok/GoOdy is leading the stream numbers). You invite people, that you think, might have a break through sooner or later, why do you not give those guys a chance to have their first small breakthrough right now, by making it into your event instead of getting invited?

I see the problems, coming along with this: If Scarlett signs up, she willl probably get through without much trouble and destroy everyone. Same goes for HuK. But one can relativly simply avoid that by just doing, what IPL did with their amateur qualifiers and just let people with less than a certain amout of prize earnongs compete. Let´s say, you set this border at 5k: With that you eliminate VIBE, qxc, Suppy, Xenocider, Goswser, Illusion, puck, Idra, Sheth, Kane, TT1, HuK and Scarlett from the competition, so basically all the established pros, who could farm your grass root event. But on the other side, you still give every upcoming player a chance to shine and even old veterans of the early days, like iNcontroL or Nony could show, that they still have the power to compete with the next generation. I mean, how cool would it be, if Machine suddenly qualifies, shows amazing play and wins the whole thing (I mean, everyone likes Machine, right?). I know, iNc has the chance to do that in Krefeld, but lets be honest, Polt will do things to him, more horrible, that even Vincent Longborn could ever imagine. And being in a scene with less oppurtunities, than Kor or EU, would´nt it be fair for those veterans to get a chance to prove themselves as well, even though they aren´t the fresh new blood?

Anyway, I wish you the best of luck with this event.
KeepUpTheFPS
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada29 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-13 00:24:21
November 13 2013 00:23 GMT
#23
I gotta agree with xoronius here having an open tourney with limiyation might be better for future event, but yeah that is a great initiative, will be watching!
american beer is like having sex in a canoe...it's fucking close to water.
HTOMario
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States439 Posts
November 13 2013 00:27 GMT
#24
1 terran?
GM Mech T
JiYan
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3668 Posts
November 13 2013 00:30 GMT
#25
this is great man!
Duckvillelol
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia1259 Posts
November 13 2013 00:30 GMT
#26
On November 13 2013 09:03 Xoronius wrote:
I´m thankful for every tournament there is, so pls take the following as constructive critizism, because I really appreciate this, regardless of the points I´ll make.

The NA scene needs grass roots events like this to evolve into a more or less stable state again, but doing invitationals is another side of the problem, the NA scene currently has: People in NA get big through there pesonality, not through actually playing the game better (For example, if you look at the streaming list right now, you´ll see, that a less skilled, but more whiny american version of Strelok/GoOdy is leading the stream numbers). You invite people, that you think, might have a break through sooner or later, why do you not give those guys a chance to have their first small breakthrough right now, by making it into your event instead of getting invited?

I see the problems, coming along with this: If Scarlett signs up, she willl probably get through without much trouble and destroy everyone. Same goes for HuK. But one can relativly simply avoid that by just doing, what IPL did with their amateur qualifiers and just let people with less than a certain amout of prize earnongs compete. Let´s say, you set this border at 5k: With that you eliminate VIBE, qxc, Suppy, Xenocider, Goswser, Illusion, puck, Idra, Sheth, Kane, TT1, HuK and Scarlett from the competition, so basically all the established pros, who could farm your grass root event. But on the other side, you still give every upcoming player a chance to shine and even old veterans of the early days, like iNcontroL or Nony could show, that they still have the power to compete with the next generation. I mean, how cool would it be, if Machine suddenly qualifies, shows amazing play and wins the whole thing (I mean, everyone likes Machine, right?). I know, iNc has the chance to do that in Krefeld, but lets be honest, Polt will do things to him, more horrible, that even Vincent Longborn could ever imagine. And being in a scene with less oppurtunities, than Kor or EU, would´nt it be fair for those veterans to get a chance to prove themselves as well, even though they aren´t the fresh new blood?

Anyway, I wish you the best of luck with this event.


I'm confused, you're either missing the point of what this is for, or you've been very vague about the "issue" you have with this tournament.

So in short you're saying there shouldn't be invitational events for new people to play against other new rising players? The point is to expose the community to new players, it's not to show them that these guys are "AMAZING OMG HE JUST BEAT JAEDONG" - it's to actually get their name out there so people know who they are, their playstyles and to give a face to a name, so that when someone does take a few games off Bomber, or Scarlett, or Naniwa at the next big open/LAN tournament - we don't have the same bullshit expression from the community of "well who the hell is this guy".

Of course the true test of newer "rising" players is when they go to a Dreamhack Open, an IEM qualifier, or a Challenger League qualifier and then take a spot, take a game, take a series off a known player - but to say that there shouldn't be "exposure" tournaments like this is incredibly short-sighted in my opinion.

In many traditional sports, top players get scouted by people who head out into community grass-root events (say for example, the "local football game") to see young, fresh new talent. In eSports we don't really have anything similar to that, besides the possible situations like former Root player "Succeed" who was seen on ladder by Catz and was slowly brought into that team. We occasionally have players that appear at big events and stun the crowd, such as Scarlett at IPL, Trimaster at early MLG's and whatnot who are then recruited into big teams. But rarely do we ever get to simply give some exposure to newer players who are rising up and can compete on a high level. Partly this is just the nature of how the SC scene works at the moment, partly it's because many players simply don't know how to market themselves (with exceptions of people like Grubby, PiG and WhiteRa I guess) - and because sometimes they just don't get a chance.

A long time ago when I started casting, a local player here in Australia Rossi said to me "hey it'd be cool if you could put my twitter and stream on the cast somewhere so people know where to find me" and we had a long discussion about it, which delved into the main point of "it's hard to get exposure for new players" and so I started doing it whenever I could in my casts. This is taking it another step forwards - hosting a simple tournament that showcases some new talent up against other new talent, so that people can say "Hey, that's Bones I've heard of him before, he's that Canadian Protoss who has 50 minute PvP games" or something like that. It gives identification and starts the basis of a story for players.

I don't disagree with your point about players actually showcasing true skill needing to be in real tournament situations - but in my opinion to think this isn't a good idea is folly, I believe we should have more of this kind of thing, instead of simply catering to the top level professional players. It's an issue overall with the SC2 scene, and it's an issue the community needs to deal with too - it's not just a problem that organisers can fix, we as the people appreciating this game need to be more respectful of new rising players too.
Former SC2 commentator. youtube.com/duckvillelol
Ero-Sennin
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States756 Posts
November 13 2013 00:38 GMT
#27
I'll check it out
Luck makes talent look like genius.
feardragon
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States973 Posts
November 13 2013 00:38 GMT
#28
On November 13 2013 08:54 RemarK wrote:
"The final day, Friday November 22nd, will then be produced by MLG and commentated by myself, feardragon, and Axeltoss!"

Did you mean yourself, Axslav, and Axeltoss?

Good luck to all players, and thanks for your hard work to promote the NA scene. It would be cool if there were some spots into this event from an open qualifier because I think there's some really great / underrated NA players who aren't represented by the invites, but that's my only small complaint

Will be fun to watch either way. My money is on SaroVati but it's gonna be a close tournament for sure

Axslav may or may not be joining in on the fun! Still sorting out some details. =]

And as for the invitational vs open qualifier thing, I agree. I wanted to open up the series/season with invited players because(to be totally frank) I am pretty unknown and wanted to make sure I had some good players interested since a qualifier will only result in as many good players as actually know to sign up! I, again, do agree though and am looking into ways to better this for Season 2! =D

Also I am still working right now so I can't answer all the questions/comments in the thread at the moment but know that I am reading every comment in this thread! I'll try to respond to the rest when I get back and have some time.
Ok Starcraft 2 Commentator
TheTrueKerry
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Canada34 Posts
November 13 2013 00:45 GMT
#29
Feardragon. Anyone can talk the talk, but you walk the walk man. Keep up all the hard work you've been doing for the community. Although most of us think it but don't say it....we all really appreciate the work you do to boost the NA scene.
VisonKai
Profile Joined May 2012
United States2203 Posts
November 13 2013 00:52 GMT
#30
Back when I was just switching from BW to SC2, HelloKitty gave me some advice. So, I'm rooting for him!
splasha
Profile Joined August 2011
Brazil86 Posts
November 13 2013 00:53 GMT
#31
very nice
TheRealNanMan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1471 Posts
November 13 2013 01:18 GMT
#32
This is going to be a great event glad to see MLG helping out with Feardragon to promote the up coming NA scene!
Sc2 Caster | Host of Sc2 Up & Coming | The Godfather of Team LXG | Sc2 Historian | Youtube.com/NanMan | Twitch.tv/TheRealNanMan | Twitter.com/TheRealNanMan |
Noobity
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States871 Posts
November 13 2013 01:21 GMT
#33
To everyone talking about the invitational vs open thing, you've got to understand this is a direct tie-in to Feardragon's show, Breaking Out. This invitational is a tournament showcase of the players that he's had on so far. There's a specific purpose to the event that pulls everything together. There are huge benefits to having an open tournament, but also extreme difficulties as well (how do you run it? how many people? what format tournament? who can join? etc).

Feardragon's got a very specific theme going here, whether he intended it or not. It's a very interesting take and something that I personally think is a great idea. He's giving each player the same amount of time and giving us an in depth look at each one.

There's really no reason to compare the tournament style that you'd rather see and what he's doing because they don't have the same goals, they're not doing the same thing. I'm sure he agrees with the majority of your points because they all make sense, but this ties things together really well in my opinion.
My name is Mike, and statistically, yours is not.
TylerThaCreator
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States906 Posts
November 13 2013 01:24 GMT
#34
Poor jowj rip zeez rip jowj.
aka SethN
DBS
Profile Joined July 2012
515 Posts
November 13 2013 02:05 GMT
#35
JonSnow has got this
"a pitchfork is for hay. a trident is for killing bitches." -djwheat
Noobity
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States871 Posts
November 13 2013 02:12 GMT
#36
Also: Since we're all saying it anyway, I'm pullin for Hellokitty, he had the best pictures to edit, lol.
My name is Mike, and statistically, yours is not.
AlexJen
Profile Blog Joined September 2013
United States37 Posts
November 13 2013 02:25 GMT
#37
Wow, can't wait! The only thing better than this tournament is Sonic's selfie. =D
"All men are created equal some work hard in preseason"
tomastaz
Profile Joined January 2013
United States976 Posts
November 13 2013 02:28 GMT
#38
Go Hellokitty!
No church in the wild --- @tzhang0126
boesthius
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States11637 Posts
November 13 2013 02:49 GMT
#39
--- Nuked ---
nigel
Profile Joined September 2010
63 Posts
November 13 2013 02:55 GMT
#40
rip rip zeez

jowj pls
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