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NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 12:46:01
November 10 2013 12:38 GMT
#11301
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http://news.sbs.co.kr/section_news/news_read.jsp?news_id=N1002072793
"Start yo" -FlaSh
Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
November 10 2013 12:40 GMT
#11302
Just watched the finals. sOs Protoss play made me watch in awe, absolutely stunning.

Jaedong should have won game 1 and then the series might have looked different, but the defence of sOs... wow.

Regardless of how well Jaedong is playing, there always is someone who is simply stronger in the tournament. You cannot really fault him, with sOs playing the way he did.

Anyway second place won't be enough for him, but I am still inspired. It's just great zerg play.

But sOs, just amazing.
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
esdf
Profile Joined December 2012
Croatia736 Posts
November 10 2013 12:42 GMT
#11303
is this serious? jaedong 2nd? AGAIN???????????????
why do you not believe it? the legend has alived!
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 10 2013 12:43 GMT
#11304
On November 10 2013 20:06 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 17:42 bias- wrote:
As an old time watcher and BW vet, it's a shame to see all-inning and gambling such a strong part of SC2 as an RTS. Superior mechanics, scouting, and 'a legitimate tactical playing field' should decide the victor.

The amount of bullshit you can pull off as toss is also what really makes watching SC2 unfun for me. While yes this is coming from a somewhat sc2 noob (bw vet), their all-in ability from their extreme mobility at any time despite good scouting (say you just miss that one cliff with a pylon) just defies a lot of the basics of an RTS. It took an Arbiter Tribunal to even reserach recall for what they have now for almost free. Scouting an army moving out, giving time to react, just isn't there. /end noob take on frustrations watching sc2 and BW fan watching BW player lose that last game as he did

I thought so too in the beginning. Now I don't mind the cheese as much and I'm not even sure that it plays a so much bigger role than in bw. What bothers me though is that you never see people claw there way back in a game with better micro and macro in sc2. Its decided super fast and there is nothing that the player that is behind can do to come back.


While comebacks aren't as common in SC2 as they were in BW, the whole "comebacks can't happen due to good play in SC2" is all bullshit. It's hard, yes, but it's supposed to be.
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
November 10 2013 12:49 GMT
#11305
On November 10 2013 21:37 Elroi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 21:30 Strivers wrote:
I still think Dear, Maru, sOs > Jaedong

Dear/sOs vs Maru would have been a closer finals

what kind of bs is that? Jaedong beat Maru and Dear convincingly.

i wouldn't say convincingly, because i totally would not be surprised if they both beat him another day. the games were close too.
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Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4758 Posts
November 10 2013 12:53 GMT
#11306
On November 10 2013 21:49 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 21:37 Elroi wrote:
On November 10 2013 21:30 Strivers wrote:
I still think Dear, Maru, sOs > Jaedong

Dear/sOs vs Maru would have been a closer finals

what kind of bs is that? Jaedong beat Maru and Dear convincingly.

i wouldn't say convincingly, because i totally would not be surprised if they both beat him another day. the games were close too.


That basically goes without saying. I also believe Jaedong could beat sOs if they'd play another Bo7 today. These players are so close, and one butchered engagement easily costs you a game or sometimes a series.

In a way, 5 finals and a semifinal within 3-4 months is so majorly impressive. Just not impressive enough, at some point you have to win it all
"Withstand. Suffer. Live as you must now live. There will, one day, be answer to this." ||| "A life, Jimmy, you know what that is? It's the shit that happens while you're waiting for moments that never come."
Neemi
Profile Joined August 2012
Netherlands657 Posts
November 10 2013 13:01 GMT
#11307
On November 10 2013 12:28 Shellshock wrote:
I think Jaedong is the first player to make the $100k club in sc2 without winning a premier tournament
+ Show Spoiler [players >$100k earned] +
1. MC
2. Mvp
3. NesTea
4. Polt
5. Stephano
6. MMA
7. DRG
8. HerO
9. Leenock
10. PartinG
11. MKP
12. Life
13. PuMa
14. TaeJa
15. sOs
16. Bomber
17. NaNiwa
18. Rain
19. Jaedong
20. aLive
21. Fruitdealer


Haha you're right, MKP was close but he was at 99k before he won MLG:

http://www.esportsearnings.com/players/1004/marineking

Does this make Jaedong the best silver surfer in the game?
Cute
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23580 Posts
November 10 2013 13:22 GMT
#11308
On November 10 2013 21:30 Strivers wrote:
I still think Dear, Maru, sOs > Jaedong

Dear/sOs vs Maru would have been a closer finals


Hm maybe they should play to decide that... oh they did.
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
Bam Lee
Profile Joined June 2012
2336 Posts
November 10 2013 13:30 GMT
#11309
On November 10 2013 22:01 Neemi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 12:28 Shellshock wrote:
I think Jaedong is the first player to make the $100k club in sc2 without winning a premier tournament
+ Show Spoiler [players >$100k earned] +
1. MC
2. Mvp
3. NesTea
4. Polt
5. Stephano
6. MMA
7. DRG
8. HerO
9. Leenock
10. PartinG
11. MKP
12. Life
13. PuMa
14. TaeJa
15. sOs
16. Bomber
17. NaNiwa
18. Rain
19. Jaedong
20. aLive
21. Fruitdealer


Haha you're right, MKP was close but he was at 99k before he won MLG:

http://www.esportsearnings.com/players/1004/marineking

Does this make Jaedong the best silver surfer in the game?


I guess so. That makes JaeKong a legit nick name
Yhamm
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
France7248 Posts
November 10 2013 13:40 GMT
#11310
On November 10 2013 16:24 Shellshock wrote:
So does anyone think there's going to be a power rank this month?

lol, and do you think they will update FGSTL too? please.
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liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
November 10 2013 13:43 GMT
#11311
On November 10 2013 20:56 Keeemy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 20:52 Erik.TheRed wrote:
The amount of JD apologists in this thread is crazy. My friends from university were going through the games one by one and it became pretty clear that he was just not playing very intelligently and didn't get taken out "undeservedly".

game 1- JD goes for a roach hydra viper timing on akilon (the hardest map to break a turtle player on) and then transitioned into ultralisks when that didn't kill SoS (and after seeing that SoS already had a solid 3 base econ and sim city).

game 2- the cannon rush puts JD significantly behind but his idea of "coming back" consists of going double spire against SoS after scouting double stargate (I think)... either way SoS is known to love playing SG macro games

game 3- JD wins with solid mechanics even though he doesn't realize SoS is on an extra saturated base the entire game

game 4- JD scouts one gas and a warp prism and proceeds to get 54 drones vs 30 probes

game 5- JD's lings miss a probe that goes right in front of them and drops a proxy pylon. Then he loses the game to a zealot warp in

Nothing against you but holy god, when will people learn that he's sOs, not SoS????????

Driving me crazy yo.


Me three...

Someone was doing it earlier, and I think it was more to poke at the fact sOs was "faceless" and as such noone knew even how to spell his name.
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
KatatoniK
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
United Kingdom978 Posts
November 10 2013 13:43 GMT
#11312
I genuinely thought Jaedong had the title with Bomber and Maru gone, glad sOs won however, he was the player that made me decide to play Toss cause of his mind games.

Jaedong's day will come one day, I'm sure of it, he's too good to not get an SC2 title.
Flying on the Jin Air hype plane. Lets go Maru, Rogue, sOs and the handsome CJ herO
Smackzilla
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States539 Posts
November 10 2013 13:55 GMT
#11313
Did anyone see what the total stream number got up to?
You see a mousetrap. I see free cheese and a f&%*ing challenge - Scroobius Pip
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 14:00:59
November 10 2013 13:59 GMT
#11314
On November 10 2013 21:49 opterown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 21:37 Elroi wrote:
On November 10 2013 21:30 Strivers wrote:
I still think Dear, Maru, sOs > Jaedong

Dear/sOs vs Maru would have been a closer finals

what kind of bs is that? Jaedong beat Maru and Dear convincingly.

i wouldn't say convincingly, because i totally would not be surprised if they both beat him another day. the games were close too.


Yep, on any given Sunday.

On November 10 2013 22:43 liberate71 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 20:56 Keeemy wrote:
On November 10 2013 20:52 Erik.TheRed wrote:
The amount of JD apologists in this thread is crazy. My friends from university were going through the games one by one and it became pretty clear that he was just not playing very intelligently and didn't get taken out "undeservedly".

game 1- JD goes for a roach hydra viper timing on akilon (the hardest map to break a turtle player on) and then transitioned into ultralisks when that didn't kill SoS (and after seeing that SoS already had a solid 3 base econ and sim city).

game 2- the cannon rush puts JD significantly behind but his idea of "coming back" consists of going double spire against SoS after scouting double stargate (I think)... either way SoS is known to love playing SG macro games

game 3- JD wins with solid mechanics even though he doesn't realize SoS is on an extra saturated base the entire game

game 4- JD scouts one gas and a warp prism and proceeds to get 54 drones vs 30 probes

game 5- JD's lings miss a probe that goes right in front of them and drops a proxy pylon. Then he loses the game to a zealot warp in

Nothing against you but holy god, when will people learn that he's sOs, not SoS????????

Driving me crazy yo.


Me three...

Someone was doing it earlier, and I think it was more to poke at the fact sOs was "faceless" and as such noone knew even how to spell his name.


Don't give me that shit lol. He's fucking sHy.
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
November 10 2013 14:04 GMT
#11315
On November 10 2013 22:43 KatatoniK wrote:
I genuinely thought Jaedong had the title with Bomber and Maru gone, glad sOs won however, he was the player that made me decide to play Toss cause of his mind games.

Jaedong's day will come one day, I'm sure of it, he's too good to not get an SC2 title.


and what did I say? I keep telling you guys it was sHy he had to look out for. You just climbed one summit in Dear and now you have to make it all the way back to base camp, which is a lot harder. Dear and sHy are two protoss players you do not want to meet back-to-back because of their unpredictable nature and it's a steep climb. Both of them are doing crazy things with their race atm.
Salient
Profile Joined August 2011
United States876 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 14:13:45
November 10 2013 14:12 GMT
#11316
We might never really know who the "best player in the world" is since it seems a different player wins the big tournaments every season. But at least there can be no doubt about the identity of the second best player in the world!!!
10bulgares
Profile Joined September 2013
352 Posts
November 10 2013 14:18 GMT
#11317
I've just rewatched the vods. Anyone has thoughts on the gg timing in the last game? I mean JD's bases were still untouched, he had the supply lead and killed all of sOs's colossi (with those gg timings, you sure have no chance of watching comebacks).

The overall impression is that, even without the cheese or the mindgame factors, the level of play of JD wasn't stellar. That is the better player won.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 10 2013 14:21 GMT
#11318
On November 10 2013 22:55 Smackzilla wrote:
Did anyone see what the total stream number got up to?


Thinking something like 150k counting all streams + Blizzard stream. I think there were also Chinese streams and an OGN stream for Koreans so I guess the actual number may actually be higher, but I doubt we'll be hearing anything concrete on the matter
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TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
November 10 2013 14:22 GMT
#11319
On November 10 2013 22:55 Smackzilla wrote:
Did anyone see what the total stream number got up to?

Last I saw was 135k, decided to switch to blizzard stream coz it didn't lag. I'm sure a lot of people with shit internet went there as well
Keeemy
Profile Joined November 2012
Finland7855 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 14:24:09
November 10 2013 14:23 GMT
#11320
On November 10 2013 22:55 Smackzilla wrote:
Did anyone see what the total stream number got up to?

http://www.fuzic.nl/events/1081-wcs-global-finals-2013-day-2/

Almost 150k on twitch alone.
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