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DO NOT! unleash the sheep army. Quoting them is the same as posting them.

Stop the balance whine or bans will be handed out like candy.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52797 Posts
November 10 2013 01:54 GMT
#10641
On November 10 2013 10:54 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 10:53 IntoTheheart wrote:
On November 10 2013 10:52 stuchiu wrote:
For those sad Jaedong fans, he's going to DH Winter.

And for the rest of you, this is the current Protoss Pantheon.

Zealot is Reach.
DT is Inca
Stalker is Anypro
Carrier is Hongun
Void Ray is Genius
Phoenix is Hero
HT is Rain
Immortal is Parting.
Sentry is MC
Observor is Creator
Cannon is sOs

I'm open to suggestions/changes to the list.

I"m curious about the warp prism actually... who d you reckon that would be?

I'd say Warp Prism is HerO.

yeah me too
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scissorhands
Profile Joined July 2011
United States68 Posts
November 10 2013 01:54 GMT
#10642
I can't help feel that sOs' big advantage was not playing against more zergs in public matches, as a commentator mentioned (is that correct?). This gives him a lot of time to cook up a strat set up to snipe the few Zergs he would have had to play. Jaedong is in a big disadvantage in this scenario. But I guess we'll see what happens when sOs is figured out and whether he'll fizzle out in the future.

But congrats to both players for the gobs of money they earned.
y0su
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Finland7871 Posts
November 10 2013 01:54 GMT
#10643
On November 10 2013 10:48 Stinkie wrote:
What a bad final. Not even the games but the time after that. Just cut of the stream and thats all? Nothing more? Weird...

yeah, hard to imagine they were that strapped for time... I mean, what if it would have gone to game 5?
Derez
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Netherlands6068 Posts
November 10 2013 01:55 GMT
#10644
Hongun is macro nexus obviously.
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
November 10 2013 01:55 GMT
#10645
On November 10 2013 10:54 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 10:52 stuchiu wrote:
For those sad Jaedong fans, he's going to DH Winter.

And for the rest of you, this is the current Protoss Pantheon.

Zealot is Reach.
DT is Inca
Stalker is Anypro
Carrier is Hongun
Void Ray is Genius
Phoenix is Hero
HT is Rain
Immortal is Parting.
Sentry is MC
Observor is Creator
Cannon is sOs

I'm open to suggestions/changes to the list.

(P)Reach? I thought you were sticking to SC2 pros.

It's actually him AS the Zealot. You can kinda see it if you look the right way.
kiss kiss fall in love
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
November 10 2013 01:55 GMT
#10646
On November 10 2013 10:53 unigolyn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 10:52 castlewise wrote:
This was my first time watching the finals live. It was pretty fun. The stream was easy to find, free, and didn't have any lag. (Honestly, I think thats the kind of thing that will grow esports, irregardless of who won.)


In other words, Twitch, fix your shit.


Somewhat surprisingly, Twitch has worked well enough for me this weekend to keep 3 streams up simultaneously. That never happens.
AdministratorBreak the chains
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
November 10 2013 01:55 GMT
#10647
On November 10 2013 10:30 Ljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 10:27 DiLiGu wrote:
I'm soooo tired of disappointing tournaments. When was the last time someone won who anyone cared about?

Around five minutes ago.

Polt's WCS AM win, Mvp's WCS Europe win.

I think one of the troubles with Protoss is that there's kind of a revolving door when it comes to the best players. We've had a lot of them come out of nowhere, dominate for a little while, and then fade away and not come back. Parting, Squirtle, Seed, and Rain (I'm probably missing someone) all had their moments but haven't shown championship form in a while. Now we have Dear and sOs sitting at the top of the mountain, and who knows how long they'll last? That's a lot of players coming and going over the course of just a couple years. The only real exception to the rule is MC, who had an extended period of dominance and also a great ability to win over fans with showmanship and a willingness to speak as much English as he was able to.

Now look at Terran. Mvp has won championships in 3 different years, and along with Polt and Bomber has been relevant since 2011. MMA is back too, and he's also been around since 2011. MKP had his time and Innovation did too, and Maru is looking great recently, but we're still looking at those first four names in the top 16 players of the year-end tournament even after all this time. It's a stark contrast.
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
November 10 2013 01:55 GMT
#10648
Is there any way to watch esports+ FPV vods?
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
November 10 2013 01:55 GMT
#10649
On November 10 2013 10:54 y0su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 10:48 Stinkie wrote:
What a bad final. Not even the games but the time after that. Just cut of the stream and thats all? Nothing more? Weird...

yeah, hard to imagine they were that strapped for time... I mean, what if it would have gone to game 5?

I think the event planners were expecting a 4-0 : (
scrub - inexperienced player with relatively little skill and excessive arrogance
Weavel
Profile Joined January 2010
Finland9221 Posts
November 10 2013 01:55 GMT
#10650
On November 10 2013 10:55 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 10:53 unigolyn wrote:
On November 10 2013 10:52 castlewise wrote:
This was my first time watching the finals live. It was pretty fun. The stream was easy to find, free, and didn't have any lag. (Honestly, I think thats the kind of thing that will grow esports, irregardless of who won.)


In other words, Twitch, fix your shit.


Somewhat surprisingly, Twitch has worked well enough for me this weekend to keep 3 streams up simultaneously. That never happens.
Same here twitch was flawless.
Life/Seed//Mvp/NaNiwa fighting! ZeNEX forever!
suicideyear
Profile Joined December 2012
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
November 10 2013 01:55 GMT
#10651
jaekong
)))____◎◎◎◎█████
unigolyn
Profile Joined August 2013
Estonia1272 Posts
November 10 2013 01:55 GMT
#10652
On November 10 2013 10:54 y0su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 10:48 Stinkie wrote:
What a bad final. Not even the games but the time after that. Just cut of the stream and thats all? Nothing more? Weird...

yeah, hard to imagine they were that strapped for time... I mean, what if it would have gone to game 5?


Seriously, could either of you explain what you wanted to happen after the winner was crowned and all that?

And have you not noticed that this is taking place at a convention where other things are going on?
Show me what passes for fury amongst your misbegotten kind.
hipo
Profile Joined November 2010
France482 Posts
November 10 2013 01:55 GMT
#10653
On November 10 2013 10:52 stuchiu wrote:
For those sad Jaedong fans, he's going to DH Winter.

And for the rest of you, this is the current Protoss Pantheon.

Zealot is Reach.
DT is Inca
Stalker is Anypro
Carrier is Hongun
Void Ray is Genius
Phoenix is Hero
HT is Rain
Immortal is Parting.
Sentry is MC
Observor is Creator
Cannon is sOs

I'm open to suggestions/changes to the list.

I thought Hongun was blink stalker and Hero was warp prism
stuchiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
November 10 2013 01:55 GMT
#10654
On November 10 2013 10:54 BisuDagger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 10:52 stuchiu wrote:
For those sad Jaedong fans, he's going to DH Winter.

And for the rest of you, this is the current Protoss Pantheon.

Zealot is Reach.
DT is Inca
Stalker is Anypro
Carrier is Hongun
Void Ray is Genius
Phoenix is Hero
HT is Rain
Immortal is Parting.
Sentry is MC
Observor is Creator
Cannon is sOs

I'm open to suggestions/changes to the list.

(P)Reach? I thought you were sticking to SC2 pros.


Just a standin since I can't think of any Toss that deserves Zealot.
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Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
November 10 2013 01:55 GMT
#10655
On November 10 2013 10:52 stuchiu wrote:
For those sad Jaedong fans, he's going to DH Winter.

And for the rest of you, this is the current Protoss Pantheon.

Zealot is Reach.
DT is Inca
Stalker is Anypro
Carrier is Hongun
Void Ray is Genius
Phoenix is Hero
HT is Rain
Immortal is Parting.
Sentry is MC
Observor is Creator
Cannon is sOs

I'm open to suggestions/changes to the list.


(proxy)Oracle is Duckdeok
Warp Prism is HerO
Observer/Tempest is HasuObs
Probe is Naniwa
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
November 10 2013 01:55 GMT
#10656
Okay, anal JD fans, here's something you need to get. Even in real sports, there are a lot of newcomers who win championships. If you look at the Superbowl, there has been a lot of newcomers winning the series, and a lot of NFL favorites have been eliminated. Just deal with the loss and hope that JD can win his tournament!
Seed's # 1 fan!!! #ForVengeance
TAMinator
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia2706 Posts
November 10 2013 01:55 GMT
#10657
On November 10 2013 10:54 y0su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 10:48 Stinkie wrote:
What a bad final. Not even the games but the time after that. Just cut of the stream and thats all? Nothing more? Weird...

yeah, hard to imagine they were that strapped for time... I mean, what if it would have gone to game 5?

It's a global broadcast, they're cutting into the time of other segments.
mongmong
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)1389 Posts
November 10 2013 01:55 GMT
#10658
On November 10 2013 10:46 Paljas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 10:43 mongmong wrote:
Call me an obnoxious piece of shit, but I feel fucking shitty when a protoss other than Hero wins a championship. Jaedong should've have won this T.T

its the very common "i hope that my race does bad syndrom".
you hope that your race does bad, so that you have evidence of it being not OP.

thats why some many zerg were sad about fd winning gsl season 1




Nah, to me its more like "my favourite player should be the one that stands out most in the race he plays!" thing haha XD
어헣 ↗ 어헣 ↗
DiLiGu
Profile Joined December 2011
United States185 Posts
November 10 2013 01:56 GMT
#10659
On November 10 2013 10:48 marcesr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 10:41 DiLiGu wrote:
On November 10 2013 10:35 Rostam wrote:
On November 10 2013 10:33 DiLiGu wrote:
On November 10 2013 10:30 aintz wrote:
On November 10 2013 10:29 DiLiGu wrote:
On November 10 2013 10:27 Zealously wrote:
On November 10 2013 10:24 DiLiGu wrote:
On November 10 2013 10:23 liberate71 wrote:
On November 10 2013 10:22 Caladan wrote:
Sad. Another faceless champion.
At least a Kespa player won.

GGs!

Thanks ESL for this fantastic production!


Your smileys dont make up for your silly comments


sOs is the definition of faceless. Most people didn't know he existed before this tournament. And he cheesed the entire finals. What a joke.


Please never come into an LR thread again


I'm hosting a barcraft and it was dead silent in here because no one cares about sOs.

I honestly liked his play - it was neat, and some new strats I never expected to see (hidden expansion in a finals, say WHAT!?). But his story is 0.


yall are a bunch of lame haters then. but you're probaby sitting home alone spreading hate on the internet anyways.


I'm not hating! How can you argue that sOs is in any way a fan favorite!? He's maybe top 100 in terms of name recognition.


It's fucking boring if the same players are constantly placing high and winning every tournament. New fan favorites need to emerge for things to stay interesting. Just because he doesn't have a big fanbase now doesn't mean he never will, and it doesn't mean you should make 100 posts in this thread whining about how he's killing esports by not throwing the finals.


There are several factors that produce increased fanfare in sports. Chief among them are Dynasties, Rivalries, and Underdogs.

I love SC2. I absolutely love it. I watched every single match of WCS NA and EU this year. But the players with the most of each of the three items I mentioned simply keep not winning. What's the biggest rivalry in SC2? It's not IdrA vs MMA anymore. TL vs EG? They're besties now. When was the last Dynasty? Mvp? Everyone loves jurgen. Lost in RO16. Who was the biggest underdog story? NaNiwa, out in ro16.

I'm not hating on sOs, I'm really not. He just doesn't do anything to grow the community. Try explaining him to a new viewer - you can't. He's not the BW god that came to SC2 and continued his legacy. He's not the only foreigner in a Korean-dominated world. He's not the up-and-coming young guy with sick micro. He's not the "new best zerg". He's not the "new best terran". He's not the aggressive Korean Protoss who learned English and has cool ceremonies.

He's just some gamer.


You make some very good points, even if most people in this thread disagree...but too much negativity wont help us either, to some extent you gotta accept SC2's problems.


Thanks, I appreciate you for actually reading my posts. Have I balance whined once? Nope. Have I spoken ill of sOs as a player or person once? Nope. I've even defended him, because I personally enjoyed his playstyle.

I'm not speaking as a hater, or some foaming-at-the-mouth Spike Lee racist caricature. I'm speaking a businessperson. What I want more than anything else is for SC2 to become a mainstream sport, to take the 4th most-watched spot after football, baseball, and basketball in America. But it's so freaking hard to grow a brand in this industry, when victories go to players like sOs. Were the games interesting? Absolutely. Was his play neat and innovative? Yes.

Was anyone rooting for him at the start of the tournament? No (speaking for the newish foreign community hear, not for 15000+ post BW people). People don't like to see their favorites just fall by the wayside. Even the most seasoned SC2 viewers here had no idea that sOs was going to win, and did nothing to hype him coming into this tourney. All of the hype was around Soulkey, NaNiwa, Maru, INnoVation, Mvp, and MC. Hell, even HerO and TaeJa.
Ichabod
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1659 Posts
November 10 2013 01:56 GMT
#10660
On November 10 2013 10:52 stuchiu wrote:
For those sad Jaedong fans, he's going to DH Winter.

And for the rest of you, this is the current Protoss Pantheon.

Zealot is Reach.
DT is Inca
Stalker is Anypro
Carrier is Hongun
Void Ray is Genius
Phoenix is Hero
HT is Rain
Immortal is Parting.
Sentry is MC
Observor is Creator
Cannon is sOs

I'm open to suggestions/changes to the list.

Nony is probe?
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