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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On November 10 2013 10:51 iamho wrote:
So I've seen some people compare sOs to Bisu in that they both "revolutionized" PvZ strategy, but I don't see it. There's no way that sOs' style here would work on a consistent basis. It worked in this series because JD was caught off guard and sOs was destroying him with mindgames.
Yeah there's no way that sOs' style that has worked since last year will work on a consistent enough basis to let him end Proleague with a good record, win AIMAG and Blizzcon, finish 2nd in WCS Season 1 and reach the semis of WCS Korea. His style just won't work consistently enough.
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On November 10 2013 10:52 castlewise wrote:
This was my first time watching the finals live. It was pretty fun. The stream was easy to find, free, and didn't have any lag. (Honestly, I think thats the kind of thing that will grow esports, irregardless of who won.)
In other words, Twitch, fix your shit.
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On November 10 2013 10:52 Kingsky wrote:
i wish the finals they at least got all 16 players up on stage for a final bow -_- wtf ending was that?
Don't think you can force players that went out yesterday to hang around.
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On November 10 2013 10:51 Sokrates wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:42 Faruko wrote:On November 10 2013 10:40 Sokrates wrote:On November 10 2013 10:37 moon_fall wrote:
Grandfinal between Jaedong and sOs is actually a good example of difference between SC BW and SC2. In BW, "hard skill" like micro and macro are all that matters. Hence a good player will be good throughout his career. SC2, on the other hand, somewhat focuses on "soft skill" like mind-game and building hard counter armies, which is much more dicey. So a legendary player in SC2 will not stay in legend for long. "Mind-games" also include a lot of luck (he thinks that i think that he thinks etc.), SOS got lucky, but his wins didnt entirely rely on luck, he is a really good player aswell. It could have also gone the other way round. "Luck"? that was hardly luck, if you see all the games sOs won, he clearly made JD play what he wanted to play, in fact, he made that in the one he lost, but JD took a chance and build mutas So cannonrushing and going for a zealot immo allin doesnt have a good portion of luck involved? You know that this are risky builds for a reason... Risky means you do something that involves elements that are out of your control for example JD going hatch first, or SOS going nexus first. That is why i said "mindgames"...
then Sc2 its all about luck ? I cant believe that
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On November 10 2013 10:46 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:45 hipo wrote:On November 10 2013 10:44 las91 wrote:
what i don't understand is this:
Jaedong is now the MOST CONSISTENT PLAYER OF 2013. Getting to FIVE FUCKING FINALS IN A YEAR.
Maybe he didn't win them, but that's still pretty fucking incredible eh?
EDIT: News check for JD fans, he's fine. he's not slumping. just keep having faith, he'll win titles It is incredible but the most consistent player of the year is Soulkey :D In the hardest region, where JD struggled to make it in :D
If you imply that JD is not at the level of WCS korea, you should maybe think of the fact that he beat the champions of season 2 and season 3 in his run this weekend
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your Country52797 Posts
On November 10 2013 10:52 stuchiu wrote:
For those sad Jaedong fans, he's going to DH Winter.
And for the rest of you, this is the current Protoss Pantheon.
Zealot is Reach.
DT is Inca
Stalker is Anypro
Carrier is Hongun
Void Ray is Genius
Phoenix is Hero
HT is Rain
Immortal is Parting.
Sentry is MC
Observor is Creator
Cannon is sOs
I'm open to suggestions/changes to the list.
personally I would change phoenix to warp prism
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Canada33091 Posts
On November 10 2013 10:52 stuchiu wrote:
For those sad Jaedong fans, he's going to DH Winter.
And for the rest of you, this is the current Protoss Pantheon.
Zealot is Reach.
DT is Inca
Stalker is Anypro
Carrier is Hongun
Void Ray is Genius
Phoenix is Hero
HT is Rain
Immortal is Parting.
Sentry is MC
Observor is Creator
Cannon is sOs
I'm open to suggestions/changes to the list.
I"m curious about the warp prism actually... who d you reckon that would be?
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On November 10 2013 10:52 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:47 Tiaraju9 wrote:On November 10 2013 10:46 Penguinator wrote:
I'm honestly depressed now. Like physically and mentally fucking depressed after watching that. I want to curl up in a warm blanket and do heroin... Why couldn't Jaedong just win? He's worked so hard... He just won 45k. Can enjoy the rest of the night with all the ladies. Note that JD's used to winning tournaments and losing on a big stage. SKT vs. Oz 3-3 Winner's League JD vs. Fantasy Bunker rush => JD's out. One week later, they had to play in the semis of an OSL. JD got blasted in the first game. And then murdered Fantasy for a 3-1.
He's fumbling at step one
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On November 10 2013 10:46 Penguinator wrote:
I'm honestly depressed now. Like physically and mentally fucking depressed after watching that. I want to curl up in a warm blanket and do heroin... Why couldn't Jaedong just win? He's worked so hard...
Same  I'm so turned off from everything starcraft right now. I muted the stream when JD was losing then closed it after the gg. I've never been this invested in a player before. jesus, was such a fairy tale story for JD and then this. fucking crushed hopes to the extreme.
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On November 10 2013 10:53 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:52 stuchiu wrote:
For those sad Jaedong fans, he's going to DH Winter.
And for the rest of you, this is the current Protoss Pantheon.
Zealot is Reach.
DT is Inca
Stalker is Anypro
Carrier is Hongun
Void Ray is Genius
Phoenix is Hero
HT is Rain
Immortal is Parting.
Sentry is MC
Observor is Creator
Cannon is sOs
I'm open to suggestions/changes to the list. I"m curious about the warp prism actually... who d you reckon that would be?
Parting, with his immo/sentry all in (wonwonwon)
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On November 10 2013 10:44 PhoenixVoid wrote:
If you guys just want the fan favorites to win, imagine how boring SC2 would be. Imagine a world where every single tournament and game was won by the player favored to win, with no possibility of comeback or upsets. Now, how is that anything but predictable and boring. And if you guys constantly expect charismatic and fun players over "faceless" and supposedly dull players, SC2 just becomes WWE and the people who poured their hearts and souls into practice and studying the game are overshadowed by people who can speak English better or have funnier costumes. Just no. SC2 should be a celebration of skill and talent just as much as it is a scene of entertainment and fun, and if you feel a "faceless" player doesn't deserve a championship, you can just turn off the stream and not bleed your negativity into the LR thread.
Your argument is off because you're conflating fan favorite with favorite-to-win. While some players are popular with fans, that popularity results in a wish to win, not in some tangible thing that results in that player being favored to win. Example here: Jaedong was not favored to win against Dear, but was certainly the crowd favorite.
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On November 10 2013 10:53 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:52 stuchiu wrote:
For those sad Jaedong fans, he's going to DH Winter.
And for the rest of you, this is the current Protoss Pantheon.
Zealot is Reach.
DT is Inca
Stalker is Anypro
Carrier is Hongun
Void Ray is Genius
Phoenix is Hero
HT is Rain
Immortal is Parting.
Sentry is MC
Observor is Creator
Cannon is sOs
I'm open to suggestions/changes to the list. I"m curious about the warp prism actually... who d you reckon that would be?
WhiteRa.
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On November 10 2013 10:42 YyapSsap wrote:
The volatility and inconsistency of this game... I mean SoS is the grand final champion but did squat in S2 or S3. I really dislike one time winners that often disappear in the next season or more.. reminds me when mind and luxury won the msl. Or when sync or casy won the OSL shudders
WCS KR: ro32 and victory in challenger league bracket + ro16 and victory in challenger league bracket (it's Korea)
DH Bucarest: ro8 (beating Jaedong) + two wins in the seeding matches, qualified for DH winter.
IEM NY: ro8
Anyone who follows the korean scene knows that sOs is a great player.
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On November 10 2013 10:53 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:52 stuchiu wrote:
For those sad Jaedong fans, he's going to DH Winter.
And for the rest of you, this is the current Protoss Pantheon.
Zealot is Reach.
DT is Inca
Stalker is Anypro
Carrier is Hongun
Void Ray is Genius
Phoenix is Hero
HT is Rain
Immortal is Parting.
Sentry is MC
Observor is Creator
Cannon is sOs
I'm open to suggestions/changes to the list. I"m curious about the warp prism actually... who d you reckon that would be?
I'd say Warp Prism is HerO.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On November 10 2013 10:53 IntoTheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:52 stuchiu wrote:
For those sad Jaedong fans, he's going to DH Winter.
And for the rest of you, this is the current Protoss Pantheon.
Zealot is Reach.
DT is Inca
Stalker is Anypro
Carrier is Hongun
Void Ray is Genius
Phoenix is Hero
HT is Rain
Immortal is Parting.
Sentry is MC
Observor is Creator
Cannon is sOs
I'm open to suggestions/changes to the list. I"m curious about the warp prism actually... who d you reckon that would be?
JYP or sage, they were the first ones to do that back in 2011
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On November 10 2013 10:51 pikachu8090 wrote:
So... next year will be the year of Flash?
In Sospa, probably.
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Canada33091 Posts
On November 10 2013 10:53 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:52 IntoTheheart wrote:On November 10 2013 10:47 Tiaraju9 wrote:On November 10 2013 10:46 Penguinator wrote:
I'm honestly depressed now. Like physically and mentally fucking depressed after watching that. I want to curl up in a warm blanket and do heroin... Why couldn't Jaedong just win? He's worked so hard... He just won 45k. Can enjoy the rest of the night with all the ladies. Note that JD's used to winning tournaments and losing on a big stage. SKT vs. Oz 3-3 Winner's League JD vs. Fantasy Bunker rush => JD's out. One week later, they had to play in the semis of an OSL. JD got blasted in the first game. And then murdered Fantasy for a 3-1. He's fumbling at step one
A long eSports history though. The fact that he's playing HOTS and not BW doesn't change his mindset right? 
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On November 10 2013 10:52 stuchiu wrote:
For those sad Jaedong fans, he's going to DH Winter.
And for the rest of you, this is the current Protoss Pantheon.
Zealot is Reach.
DT is Inca
Stalker is Anypro
Carrier is Hongun
Void Ray is Genius
Phoenix is Hero
HT is Rain
Immortal is Parting.
Sentry is MC
Observor is Creator
Cannon is sOs
I'm open to suggestions/changes to the list.
Don't think you can say sc2 zealot is sc2 reach. BW zealot is Reach. Zealot is sOs for me
Stalker is Hongun for blink micro allins.
HT is parting as well, best in the world at it.
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On November 10 2013 10:52 stuchiu wrote:
For those sad Jaedong fans, he's going to DH Winter.
And for the rest of you, this is the current Protoss Pantheon.
Zealot is Reach.
DT is Inca
Stalker is Anypro
Carrier is Hongun
Void Ray is Genius
Phoenix is Hero
HT is Rain
Immortal is Parting.
Sentry is MC
Observor is Creator
Cannon is sOs
I'm open to suggestions/changes to the list.
Why not warp prims - HerO?
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Bisutopia19316 Posts
On November 10 2013 10:52 stuchiu wrote:
For those sad Jaedong fans, he's going to DH Winter.
And for the rest of you, this is the current Protoss Pantheon.
Zealot is Reach.
DT is Inca
Stalker is Anypro
Carrier is Hongun
Void Ray is Genius
Phoenix is Hero
HT is Rain
Immortal is Parting.
Sentry is MC
Observor is Creator
Cannon is sOs
I'm open to suggestions/changes to the list.
 Reach? I thought you were sticking to SC2 pros.
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