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Norway25712 Posts
On November 10 2013 10:41 DiLiGu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:35 Rostam wrote:On November 10 2013 10:33 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:30 aintz wrote:On November 10 2013 10:29 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:27 Zealously wrote:On November 10 2013 10:24 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:23 liberate71 wrote:On November 10 2013 10:22 Caladan wrote:Sad. Another faceless champion. At least a Kespa player won.  GGs! Thanks ESL for this fantastic production! Your smileys dont make up for your silly comments sOs is the definition of faceless. Most people didn't know he existed before this tournament. And he cheesed the entire finals. What a joke. Please never come into an LR thread again I'm hosting a barcraft and it was dead silent in here because no one cares about sOs. I honestly liked his play - it was neat, and some new strats I never expected to see (hidden expansion in a finals, say WHAT!?). But his story is 0. yall are a bunch of lame haters then. but you're probaby sitting home alone spreading hate on the internet anyways. I'm not hating! How can you argue that sOs is in any way a fan favorite!? He's maybe top 100 in terms of name recognition. It's fucking boring if the same players are constantly placing high and winning every tournament. New fan favorites need to emerge for things to stay interesting. Just because he doesn't have a big fanbase now doesn't mean he never will, and it doesn't mean you should make 100 posts in this thread whining about how he's killing esports by not throwing the finals. There are several factors that produce increased fanfare in sports. Chief among them are Dynasties, Rivalries, and Underdogs. I love SC2. I absolutely love it. I watched every single match of WCS NA and EU this year. But the players with the most of each of the three items I mentioned simply keep not winning. What's the biggest rivalry in SC2? It's not IdrA vs MMA anymore. TL vs EG? They're besties now. When was the last Dynasty? Mvp? Everyone loves jurgen. Lost in RO16. Who was the biggest underdog story? NaNiwa, out in ro16. I'm not hating on sOs, I'm really not. He just doesn't do anything to grow the community. Try explaining him to a new viewer - you can't. He's not the BW god that came to SC2 and continued his legacy. He's not the only foreigner in a Korean-dominated world. He's not the up-and-coming young guy with sick micro. He's not the "new best zerg". He's not the "new best terran". He's not the aggressive Korean Protoss who learned English and has cool ceremonies. He's just some gamer.
I like good games.
I don't like overhyped players.
Storylines never come first.
A progamer doesn't have to grow the community. A progamer has to play the game, play it well, and produce results.
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On November 10 2013 10:43 bourne117 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:40 templar rage wrote:On November 10 2013 10:39 liberate71 wrote:On November 10 2013 10:37 templar rage wrote:On November 10 2013 10:35 Rostam wrote:On November 10 2013 10:33 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:30 aintz wrote:On November 10 2013 10:29 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:27 Zealously wrote:On November 10 2013 10:24 DiLiGu wrote:
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sOs is the definition of faceless. Most people didn't know he existed before this tournament. And he cheesed the entire finals. What a joke. Please never come into an LR thread again I'm hosting a barcraft and it was dead silent in here because no one cares about sOs. I honestly liked his play - it was neat, and some new strats I never expected to see (hidden expansion in a finals, say WHAT!?). But his story is 0. yall are a bunch of lame haters then. but you're probaby sitting home alone spreading hate on the internet anyways. I'm not hating! How can you argue that sOs is in any way a fan favorite!? He's maybe top 100 in terms of name recognition. It's fucking boring if the same players are constantly placing high and winning every tournament. New fan favorites need to emerge for things to stay interesting. Just because he doesn't have a big fanbase now doesn't mean he never will, and it doesn't mean you should make 100 posts in this thread whining about how he's killing esports by not throwing the finals. Guess what, it's fucking boring when players you don't give a shit about win tournaments too. How did you start to give a shit about said players, enlighten me? When they give me a reason to. Like maybe winning the biggest tournament of the year?
By gimmicking his way through the finals? No thanks. I don't blame him for playing the way he did, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.
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On November 10 2013 10:43 DiLiGu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:42 unigolyn wrote:On November 10 2013 10:41 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:35 Rostam wrote:On November 10 2013 10:33 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:30 aintz wrote:On November 10 2013 10:29 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:27 Zealously wrote:On November 10 2013 10:24 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:23 liberate71 wrote:
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Your smileys dont make up for your silly comments sOs is the definition of faceless. Most people didn't know he existed before this tournament. And he cheesed the entire finals. What a joke. Please never come into an LR thread again I'm hosting a barcraft and it was dead silent in here because no one cares about sOs. I honestly liked his play - it was neat, and some new strats I never expected to see (hidden expansion in a finals, say WHAT!?). But his story is 0. yall are a bunch of lame haters then. but you're probaby sitting home alone spreading hate on the internet anyways. I'm not hating! How can you argue that sOs is in any way a fan favorite!? He's maybe top 100 in terms of name recognition. It's fucking boring if the same players are constantly placing high and winning every tournament. New fan favorites need to emerge for things to stay interesting. Just because he doesn't have a big fanbase now doesn't mean he never will, and it doesn't mean you should make 100 posts in this thread whining about how he's killing esports by not throwing the finals. There are several factors that produce increased fanfare in sports. Chief among them are Dynasties, Rivalries, and Underdogs. I love SC2. I absolutely love it. I watched every single match of WCS NA and EU this year. But the players with the most of each of the three items I mentioned simply keep not winning. What's the biggest rivalry in SC2? It's not IdrA vs MMA anymore. TL vs EG? They're besties now. When was the last Dynasty? Mvp? Everyone loves jurgen. Lost in RO16. Who was the biggest underdog story? NaNiwa, out in ro16. I'm not hating on sOs, I'm really not. He just doesn't do anything to grow the community. Try explaining him to a new viewer - you can't. He's not the BW god that came to SC2 and continued his legacy. He's not the only foreigner in a Korean-dominated world. He's not the up-and-coming young guy with sick micro. He's not the "new best zerg". He's not the "new best terran". He's not the aggressive Korean Protoss who learned English and has cool ceremonies. He's just some gamer. Wait, so "new best zerg" and "new best terran" are appropriate storylines, but "new best protoss" isn't? What the hell? In what world is sOs the "best new protoss"? Dear held that title coming into this tourney.
In the world where sOs won fucking Blizzcon. That is, the actual world we're living in.
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On November 10 2013 10:44 las91 wrote:
what i don't understand is this:
Jaedong is now the MOST CONSISTENT PLAYER OF 2013. Getting to FIVE FUCKING FINALS IN A YEAR.
Maybe he didn't win them, but that's still pretty fucking incredible eh?
EDIT: News check for JD fans, he's fine. he's not slumping. just keep having faith, he'll win titles
It is incredible but the most consistent player of the year is Soulkey :D
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Well deserved win by sOs, amazing games, gratz to him!
Seeing him being so happy about this, how can anyone still call that guy faceless? Maybe there's not the big 'storyline' around sOs, but at least there's a bit (as seen in the great 'road to Blizzcon' articles), and now he's the world champion, that's a story, right? And how in the world is this a reason for so much hate?
However, it was a great event!
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On November 10 2013 10:44 Kergy wrote:Show nested quote +MonteCristo@ggCMonteCristo 4 mins
Did you want closing comments on SC2’s biggest tourney from SC2’s best experts? Well, instead you get pan shots of an emptying con hall. he knows what;s up
I feel like he's subtly trying to defend what they did at worlds. That was also terrible as they pretty much cut off SKT's big moment for the analyst desk.
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On November 10 2013 10:41 KristofferAG wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:37 moon_fall wrote:
Grandfinal between Jaedong and sOs is actually a good example of difference between SC BW and SC2. In BW, "hard skill" like micro and macro are all that matters. Hence a good player will be good throughout his career. SC2, on the other hand, somewhat focuses on "soft skill" like mind-game and building hard counter armies, which is much more dicey. So a legendary player in SC2 will not stay in legend for long. I don't get it. Both of the players were BW players.
I'm talking about the game design, not the players.
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On November 10 2013 10:42 MCMXVI wrote:
Anyone else got the feeling like it was more JD losing/not playing his best, rather than sOs outplaying JD?
I mean, coming back in game 1 was awesome, I had it called for JD when sOs was at half JDs supply, but the rest of the games, I think JD was not playing his absolute best as he was against Dear.
Anyway, so stocked that we got a protoss champion at Blizzcon! So few protoss champions lately, except for Dears' recent wins.
sOs was outright dominant, completely dictated play the entire time, made JD scramble and continually punished him for any small mistakes that he made. He piled so much pressure on, both with the obvious cannon-rush mind-games, the phoenix pressure into decisive tech transitions and just constant zealot run-bys. The only map that he looked like he was getting smashed on, Akilon, he turned around completely with a decisive push which threw JD into massive indecision.
I was cheering hard for JD, but man sOs outplayed him. Those Phoenix/Zealot pushes were scary as hell, and JD had no idea what was an appropriate reaction when he saw phoenix's out.
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Congrats to sOs, great performance.
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On November 10 2013 10:43 bittman wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:41 Shellshock wrote:On November 10 2013 10:40 bittman wrote:
When Kespa was switching over, shy/sos was basically the first player that they were praising as really good at sc2.
I'm happy to see him win a big thing. He's been one of the most consistently good players this year. I thought it was Soulkey because he was the first to hit GM among the Kespa players. Maybe I'm just confusing the WJS players since I didn't know them too well back then. Ah right forgot Soulkey did that. I just remember in the anonymous Gom matches Shy was doing really well.
Yeah sOs beat MarineKing and Ace when they were just switching to SC2.
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Beautiful play by sOs...
Even though Jaedong was the fan favorite...sOs played sooo much better than him...the cannon rush success was due to Jaedong being greedy...the game on akilon sOs made 0 mistakes...Jaedong made 10 or more...the game on polar night jaedong was a nonce who couldnt see past his own droning...and the game on Frost again Jaedong made too many mistakes...
Even though Jaedong is mechanically much stronger than sOs - the Protoss showed that mindgames if executed well...are more powerful...
Intelligence over muscle...
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Micro doesn't matter in SC2, just cheese cannon rush and then clump up hard counter units as P. Glad I've never been an SC2 fan.
User was warned for this post
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Can't say I'm not disapointed but I can't denie that sOs's mindgames and well thought out style really caught JD off guard a few times to many during the course of the games.
Congrats to sOs!
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Had JD won the finals they'd have probably gone on for another hour and get the president in there to put in some touching words. Too bad it was sOs so they had to cut it off quickly since they had nothing prepared to say about that...
I am not a huge fan of the way sOs plays but he did what he had to do to win, so you JD d*ck riders should at least show some respect. It's not that bad that JD got 2nd again, it will make his fist big champion title even more dramatic when it does come.
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I'm honestly depressed now. Like physically and mentally fucking depressed after watching that. I want to curl up in a warm blanket and do heroin... Why couldn't Jaedong just win? He's worked so hard...
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On November 10 2013 10:45 templar rage wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:43 bourne117 wrote:On November 10 2013 10:40 templar rage wrote:On November 10 2013 10:39 liberate71 wrote:On November 10 2013 10:37 templar rage wrote:On November 10 2013 10:35 Rostam wrote:On November 10 2013 10:33 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:30 aintz wrote:On November 10 2013 10:29 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:27 Zealously wrote:
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Please never come into an LR thread again I'm hosting a barcraft and it was dead silent in here because no one cares about sOs. I honestly liked his play - it was neat, and some new strats I never expected to see (hidden expansion in a finals, say WHAT!?). But his story is 0. yall are a bunch of lame haters then. but you're probaby sitting home alone spreading hate on the internet anyways. I'm not hating! How can you argue that sOs is in any way a fan favorite!? He's maybe top 100 in terms of name recognition. It's fucking boring if the same players are constantly placing high and winning every tournament. New fan favorites need to emerge for things to stay interesting. Just because he doesn't have a big fanbase now doesn't mean he never will, and it doesn't mean you should make 100 posts in this thread whining about how he's killing esports by not throwing the finals. Guess what, it's fucking boring when players you don't give a shit about win tournaments too. How did you start to give a shit about said players, enlighten me? When they give me a reason to. Like maybe winning the biggest tournament of the year? By gimmicking his way through the finals? No thanks. I don't blame him for playing the way he did, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.
yes, i agree
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On November 10 2013 10:45 Tamagoshi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:44 las91 wrote:
what i don't understand is this:
Jaedong is now the MOST CONSISTENT PLAYER OF 2013. Getting to FIVE FUCKING FINALS IN A YEAR.
Maybe he didn't win them, but that's still pretty fucking incredible eh?
EDIT: News check for JD fans, he's fine. he's not slumping. just keep having faith, he'll win titles I think 2013 is the year of the Dong
Gotta agree! None of the players who beat him in the finals have enjoyed nearly as much success as he has this year
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Blizzcon was great. SC2 tournament was great. Crowd was great. Hype was great.
It was fucking great
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On November 10 2013 10:45 hipo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:44 las91 wrote:
what i don't understand is this:
Jaedong is now the MOST CONSISTENT PLAYER OF 2013. Getting to FIVE FUCKING FINALS IN A YEAR.
Maybe he didn't win them, but that's still pretty fucking incredible eh?
EDIT: News check for JD fans, he's fine. he's not slumping. just keep having faith, he'll win titles It is incredible but the most consistent player of the year is Soulkey :D
In the hardest region, where JD struggled to make it in :D
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On November 10 2013 10:43 mongmong wrote:
Call me an obnoxious piece of shit, but I feel fucking shitty when a protoss other than Hero wins a championship. Jaedong should've have won this T.T
its the very common "i hope that my race does bad syndrom".
you hope that your race does bad, so that you have evidence of it being not OP.
thats why some many zerg were sad about fd winning gsl season 1
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