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bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
November 10 2013 01:43 GMT
#10521
On November 10 2013 10:41 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 10:40 bittman wrote:
When Kespa was switching over, shy/sos was basically the first player that they were praising as really good at sc2.

I'm happy to see him win a big thing. He's been one of the most consistently good players this year.

I thought it was Soulkey because he was the first to hit GM among the Kespa players. Maybe I'm just confusing the WJS players since I didn't know them too well back then.


Ah right forgot Soulkey did that.

I just remember in the anonymous Gom matches Shy was doing really well.
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Umuryum
Profile Joined February 2012
Turkey35 Posts
November 10 2013 01:43 GMT
#10522
sOs is a good player, i think that Jaedong is better. sOs made 5 bets, some likely some unlikely, got 4 of them.

And the first game was a joke tbh.
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chatuka
Profile Joined July 2011
1351 Posts
November 10 2013 01:43 GMT
#10523
On November 10 2013 10:40 Sokrates wrote:
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On November 10 2013 10:37 moon_fall wrote:
Grandfinal between Jaedong and sOs is actually a good example of difference between SC BW and SC2. In BW, "hard skill" like micro and macro are all that matters. Hence a good player will be good throughout his career. SC2, on the other hand, somewhat focuses on "soft skill" like mind-game and building hard counter armies, which is much more dicey. So a legendary player in SC2 will not stay in legend for long.


"Mind-games" also include a lot of luck (he thinks that i think that he thinks etc.), SOS got lucky, but his wins didnt entirely rely on luck, he is a really good player aswell. It could have also gone the other way round.

In broodwar, zergs could cheeze, Terrans could bunker rush and Protoss had the ability to do cannon rushes too.
SoS was going to fight with everything he had. Cheeze and all
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 01:45:35
November 10 2013 01:44 GMT
#10524
I forgot sOs won that AIG tournament too. I guess this was his 2nd win
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
November 10 2013 01:44 GMT
#10525
On November 10 2013 10:41 DiLiGu wrote:
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On November 10 2013 10:35 Rostam wrote:
On November 10 2013 10:33 DiLiGu wrote:
On November 10 2013 10:30 aintz wrote:
On November 10 2013 10:29 DiLiGu wrote:
On November 10 2013 10:27 Zealously wrote:
On November 10 2013 10:24 DiLiGu wrote:
On November 10 2013 10:23 liberate71 wrote:
On November 10 2013 10:22 Caladan wrote:
Sad. Another faceless champion.
At least a Kespa player won.

GGs!

Thanks ESL for this fantastic production!


Your smileys dont make up for your silly comments


sOs is the definition of faceless. Most people didn't know he existed before this tournament. And he cheesed the entire finals. What a joke.


Please never come into an LR thread again


I'm hosting a barcraft and it was dead silent in here because no one cares about sOs.

I honestly liked his play - it was neat, and some new strats I never expected to see (hidden expansion in a finals, say WHAT!?). But his story is 0.


yall are a bunch of lame haters then. but you're probaby sitting home alone spreading hate on the internet anyways.


I'm not hating! How can you argue that sOs is in any way a fan favorite!? He's maybe top 100 in terms of name recognition.


It's fucking boring if the same players are constantly placing high and winning every tournament. New fan favorites need to emerge for things to stay interesting. Just because he doesn't have a big fanbase now doesn't mean he never will, and it doesn't mean you should make 100 posts in this thread whining about how he's killing esports by not throwing the finals.


There are several factors that produce increased fanfare in sports. Chief among them are Dynasties, Rivalries, and Underdogs.

i dno, what about skill and winning-ness
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las91
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States5080 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 01:44:30
November 10 2013 01:44 GMT
#10526
what i don't understand is this:

Jaedong is now the MOST CONSISTENT PLAYER OF 2013. Getting to FIVE FUCKING FINALS IN A YEAR.

Maybe he didn't win them, but that's still pretty fucking incredible eh?

EDIT: News check for JD fans, he's fine. he's not slumping. just keep having faith, he'll win titles
In Inca we trust
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
November 10 2013 01:44 GMT
#10527
On November 10 2013 10:42 y0su wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 10:32 ninjamyst wrote:
On November 10 2013 10:28 Sejanus wrote:
I think it's time for the so called community to make up their minds. What they really want a SC2 pro scene to be? A place where the most talented, clever and hard working people win? Or a place with big stories, epic games and cleverly staged games like professional wrestling, where fan favorites usually win.

All these talks about sOs having no personality, cheesing and not deserving just made me to throw up on my keyboard. BRB, gotta come cleanup to do.


think about which one is more sustainable. At the end of the day, this is another form of entertainment. If people are not entertained, the scene will slowly deteriorate. Now, you can argue what's more entertaining to most people. Hard working people or charismatic people? Or why can't we have both?

So WWE is more sustainable than UFC? Many sports have been putting more emphasis on showing personality and interest stories to attract people further. No reason why that's not possible with sc2 players. (Like JD learning to say "the tyrant is coming".)

I think sOs showed a lot of personality as he jumped to get his trophy.


It's like people think sOs is Jon Fitch or something
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StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
November 10 2013 01:44 GMT
#10528
On November 10 2013 10:35 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 10:29 DiLiGu wrote:
On November 10 2013 10:27 Zealously wrote:
On November 10 2013 10:24 DiLiGu wrote:
On November 10 2013 10:23 liberate71 wrote:
On November 10 2013 10:22 Caladan wrote:
Sad. Another faceless champion.
At least a Kespa player won.

GGs!

Thanks ESL for this fantastic production!


Your smileys dont make up for your silly comments


sOs is the definition of faceless. Most people didn't know he existed before this tournament. And he cheesed the entire finals. What a joke.


Please never come into an LR thread again


I'm hosting a barcraft and it was dead silent in here because no one cares about sOs.

I honestly liked his play - it was neat, and some new strats I never expected to see (hidden expansion in a finals, say WHAT!?). But his story is 0.


His story isn't 0, but you might be.



He says he liked his play but couldn't care? I thought there was a correlation to enjoying someone's play that's entertaining and caring. He's done that strat before several times. I'm amazed Jaedong didn't try to take a base there, lol. I can tell these guys never followed PL or else they would know. They also know a lot of the current players who play protoss are borrowing several pages from this guy and that is why I declare him, THE INNOVATOR OF PROTOSS VIOLENCE. We can go down the line with HerO's warp prism play, PartinG's Soul Build, MC's wraith, etc. Anyway, I'm getting used to it. People in Toronto went crazy for Soulkey as well (lots of zerg fans) and Dear had a very small army. I'm glad all my boys are doing well. I'm a fan of Jaedong, Soulkey, Dear, sHy, etc. In fact, there are very few players I don't like. If they cannot get excited because a player is entertaining them then I don't know what else to say, lol.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
November 10 2013 01:44 GMT
#10529
On November 10 2013 10:43 Shellshock wrote:
Remember when Fionn predicted sOs to be the first KeSPA player to win a GSL? only reason it took him so long to win a tournament


Where is Fionn anyway? Not that i miss that guy!
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
MattyClutch
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States711 Posts
November 10 2013 01:44 GMT
#10530
On November 10 2013 10:41 h0munkulus wrote:
I have to say as a more general esports fan that is not exclusively following sc2, if you compare the WCS finals to TI3 or the LoL world finals I can't help but feel a little underwhelmed.

I really think that SC2 production has been somewhat stale for a long time, with only the ESL crew really pushing for some new stuff.

As an overall "broadcast" experience I thought they could have done a lot more... :/


Might just be because you do not follow SC2 that much. I don't really follow MOBAs, but tried to tune in some to TI3 because friends were raving about it. I found the casting... awkward and the production to be solid, but not amazing. If I knew more about MOBAs / followed the scene more closely I might feel different.

I think the production for this was spot on except for the super awkward ending. I just happened that the semi-finals (IMO) involved much better games than the finals.
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32746 Posts
November 10 2013 01:44 GMT
#10531
If you guys just want the fan favorites to win, imagine how boring SC2 would be. Imagine a world where every single tournament and game was won by the player favored to win, with no possibility of comeback or upsets. Now, how is that anything but predictable and boring. And if you guys constantly expect charismatic and fun players over "faceless" and supposedly dull players, SC2 just becomes WWE and the people who poured their hearts and souls into practice and studying the game are overshadowed by people who can speak English better or have funnier costumes. Just no. SC2 should be a celebration of skill and talent just as much as it is a scene of entertainment and fun, and if you feel a "faceless" player doesn't deserve a championship, you can just turn off the stream and not bleed your negativity into the LR thread.
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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
November 10 2013 01:44 GMT
#10532
On November 10 2013 10:44 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 10:43 Shellshock wrote:
Remember when Fionn predicted sOs to be the first KeSPA player to win a GSL? only reason it took him so long to win a tournament


Where is Fionn anyway? Not that i miss that guy!

He followed marineking.
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Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
November 10 2013 01:44 GMT
#10533
MonteCristo@ggCMonteCristo 4 mins
Did you want closing comments on SC2’s biggest tourney from SC2’s best experts? Well, instead you get pan shots of an emptying con hall.


he knows what;s up
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Ingsoc
Profile Joined September 2012
59 Posts
November 10 2013 01:45 GMT
#10534
It seems that, second to hating on sOs, generalizing and hating on JD fans is the most common phenomenon in this thread as of now. There's salt from plenty of directions here.

GG.
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
November 10 2013 01:45 GMT
#10535
can we just start warning anyone who baits the "faceless" argument

it's literally the same thing every time, it devolves into people repeating how it's just "their opinion" that a player is "uninteresting" as an excuse to shit up threads for pages and pages and pages

i have absolutely no problem with a person making one post to say "meh, not a fan of this guy, don't know much about him, would have preferred jaedong," but it's hard to deny that there's a recurring pattern of people who just come in and do this all the time to bait out arguments about who's enough of a special korean snowflake to deserve tournament wins
Tamagoshi
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil981 Posts
November 10 2013 01:45 GMT
#10536
On November 10 2013 10:44 las91 wrote:
what i don't understand is this:

Jaedong is now the MOST CONSISTENT PLAYER OF 2013. Getting to FIVE FUCKING FINALS IN A YEAR.

Maybe he didn't win them, but that's still pretty fucking incredible eh?

EDIT: News check for JD fans, he's fine. he's not slumping. just keep having faith, he'll win titles

I think 2013 is the year of the Dong
dinosrwar
Profile Joined September 2011
1290 Posts
November 10 2013 01:45 GMT
#10537
On November 10 2013 10:41 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 10:40 bittman wrote:
When Kespa was switching over, shy/sos was basically the first player that they were praising as really good at sc2.

I'm happy to see him win a big thing. He's been one of the most consistently good players this year.

I thought it was Soulkey because he was the first to hit GM among the Kespa players. Maybe I'm just confusing the WJS players since I didn't know them too well back then.


sHy beat Flash in that indoor tournament and was hyped up pretty much.
Louuster
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2869 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-10 01:46:19
November 10 2013 01:45 GMT
#10538
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 10:38 Oddball28 wrote:

I mean, congrats to sOs. But for the community, Jaedong winning is the 2nd best thing possible (NaNi #1, Polt #3) and sOs is literally the worst thing that can happen. We finally have a tournament and scene where foreigners have Korean favorite players, and it gets won by the only Faceless Korean here?


Sure congrats to sOs. Fuck you and your fake congrats you don't even mean it you just say it to defend yourself. Fuck you and your sc2 is dying. Fuck you and your 'faceless korean' shit. Ban me whatever. This guy just shows blatant disrespect to the guys who put in hours upon hours of hard work. Yea fuck off

Every post of yours in this thread is whining about your sOs being a faceless Korean and beating JD

User was warned for this post


Warning made no sense, poster is simply nailing it.


Martyring is never allowed, no matter how ironic or correct the rest of the post is.
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Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
November 10 2013 01:45 GMT
#10539
On November 10 2013 10:44 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2013 10:44 Grettin wrote:
On November 10 2013 10:43 Shellshock wrote:
Remember when Fionn predicted sOs to be the first KeSPA player to win a GSL? only reason it took him so long to win a tournament


Where is Fionn anyway? Not that i miss that guy!

He followed marineking.


oh well

rip
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
thepuppyassassin
Profile Joined April 2011
900 Posts
November 10 2013 01:45 GMT
#10540
You guys think that the vod (potentially recorded) or POV cam of Jaedong's match with Dear, possibly could have done him in? sOs really had Jaedong's number that match.
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