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On November 10 2013 10:36 NKexquisite wrote:
Whats the deal with the "sheep" talk? Anyone?
Jaedong fans posted sheep when JD won, like when MVP fans posts the kaboom picture. Then antifans posted dead sheeps pictures. Finally, mods got angry with all of that and warned everyone (except the privileged members) who posted sheeps
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On November 10 2013 10:31 Waise wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:28 Sejanus wrote:
I think it's time for the so called community to make up their minds. What they really want a SC2 pro scene to be? A place where the most talented, clever and hard working people win? Or a place with big stories, epic games and cleverly staged games like professional wrestling, where fan favorites usually win.
All these talks about sOs having no personality, cheesing and not deserving just made me to throw up on my keyboard. BRB, gotta come cleanup to do. judging from the people in this thread, they want wrestling. it's unbelievable how people will actually "get hyped" for a tournament and then literally become angry if they don't like who wins. the point of the tournament is for every single player to show up and bring his chops. the person who should win is the person who wins. why else watch tournaments? are we babies who need to be spoonfed "nice" games?
Oh come on, this happens in every sport. People cheer for who they want to cheer for, that's what makes sport the thing it is. There's teams/players you like, and teams/players you don't feel that much for. Of course people don't like it when their favourite team/player loses, but a little raging in LR is NOTHING compared to what happens when some team loses in football sometimes.
If Jaedong had won 4-1 right now, many people would be smiling and thinking back at this year for him, sticking by his side each and every time and finally being validated for cheering their hardest for him every final. Now they see his opponent lifting that trophy and yet again have to wait for a next time, of course they're not going to be happy right now.
Like it or not, taking away the identity of the players and just watching the play itself without nametags would make stuff a lot less emotional and epic. The most talented, clever and hard working people win anyway, and it was clear that yet again the fan favourite didn't win today. Looking back at the premier tournaments this year, I've never felt that the player losing the finals was the better player in that series. If a sport, or anything for that matter, matures enough and people start to care a lot, then a lot of emotions will be involved as well. We will never be professional wrestling because in the end all the players will always play to win, but we will have people full of passion doing everything they can to support their favourite players. And denying people from getting excited, either positively or negatively, is what kills more e-sports than any player winning or losing.
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my heart breaks for Jaedong t.t such a good tournament run but no dice in the finals again 
props to sOs for pulling out some insane strats and mindgames though
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JaeDong must be crushed, this is like his 5th second place in a row. Feel bad for him, hopefully he wins something soon, I love the Dong.
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Call me an obnoxious piece of shit, but I feel fucking shitty when a protoss other than Hero wins a championship. Jaedong should've have won this T.T
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On November 10 2013 10:41 DiLiGu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:35 Rostam wrote:On November 10 2013 10:33 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:30 aintz wrote:On November 10 2013 10:29 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:27 Zealously wrote:On November 10 2013 10:24 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:23 liberate71 wrote:On November 10 2013 10:22 Caladan wrote:Sad. Another faceless champion. At least a Kespa player won.  GGs! Thanks ESL for this fantastic production! Your smileys dont make up for your silly comments sOs is the definition of faceless. Most people didn't know he existed before this tournament. And he cheesed the entire finals. What a joke. Please never come into an LR thread again I'm hosting a barcraft and it was dead silent in here because no one cares about sOs. I honestly liked his play - it was neat, and some new strats I never expected to see (hidden expansion in a finals, say WHAT!?). But his story is 0. yall are a bunch of lame haters then. but you're probaby sitting home alone spreading hate on the internet anyways. I'm not hating! How can you argue that sOs is in any way a fan favorite!? He's maybe top 100 in terms of name recognition. It's fucking boring if the same players are constantly placing high and winning every tournament. New fan favorites need to emerge for things to stay interesting. Just because he doesn't have a big fanbase now doesn't mean he never will, and it doesn't mean you should make 100 posts in this thread whining about how he's killing esports by not throwing the finals. There are several factors that produce increased fanfare in sports. Chief among them are Dynasties, Rivalries, and Underdogs. He's just some gamer.
the underdog outplayed the fan favorite bw veteran. is that not good enough for you?
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United States97276 Posts
Remember when Fionn predicted sOs to be the first KeSPA player to win a GSL? only reason it took him so long to win a tournament
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On November 10 2013 10:40 templar rage wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:39 liberate71 wrote:On November 10 2013 10:37 templar rage wrote:On November 10 2013 10:35 Rostam wrote:On November 10 2013 10:33 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:30 aintz wrote:On November 10 2013 10:29 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:27 Zealously wrote:On November 10 2013 10:24 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:23 liberate71 wrote:
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Your smileys dont make up for your silly comments sOs is the definition of faceless. Most people didn't know he existed before this tournament. And he cheesed the entire finals. What a joke. Please never come into an LR thread again I'm hosting a barcraft and it was dead silent in here because no one cares about sOs. I honestly liked his play - it was neat, and some new strats I never expected to see (hidden expansion in a finals, say WHAT!?). But his story is 0. yall are a bunch of lame haters then. but you're probaby sitting home alone spreading hate on the internet anyways. I'm not hating! How can you argue that sOs is in any way a fan favorite!? He's maybe top 100 in terms of name recognition. It's fucking boring if the same players are constantly placing high and winning every tournament. New fan favorites need to emerge for things to stay interesting. Just because he doesn't have a big fanbase now doesn't mean he never will, and it doesn't mean you should make 100 posts in this thread whining about how he's killing esports by not throwing the finals. Guess what, it's fucking boring when players you don't give a shit about win tournaments too. How did you start to give a shit about said players, enlighten me? When they give me a reason to.
Like maybe winning the biggest tournament of the year?
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On November 10 2013 10:42 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:41 Fusilero wrote:On November 10 2013 10:40 bittman wrote:
When Kespa was switching over, shy/sos was basically the first player that they were praising as really good at sc2.
I'm happy to see him win a big thing. He's been one of the most consistently good players this year. I thought it was soulkey that first got attention in SC2 since he was reportedly the first to make GM. Oh yeah, I forgot about that. But sHy did that showmatch against ESF players where they didn't reveal the players and won
I only remember reports coming out of the startale house that ace got bullied over losing to shy. Well ace lost to the future world champion so it wasn't so bad.
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On November 10 2013 10:42 Grend wrote:
SC2 the game where a legend usually lasts for 2 months until he is replaced by some new player
Said MC as he sat back on his pillow made of money
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I wish we could have group play and 3 day tournament but it was great anyway. Well done sOs!
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Russian Federation40190 Posts
On November 10 2013 10:41 Shellshock wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:40 bittman wrote:
When Kespa was switching over, shy/sos was basically the first player that they were praising as really good at sc2.
I'm happy to see him win a big thing. He's been one of the most consistently good players this year. I thought it was Soulkey because he was the first to hit GM among the Kespa players. Maybe I'm just confusing the WJS players since I didn't know them too well back then.
Yeah, Soulkey it was. Granted, he was still a choker, so that's did not matter.
sOs was the almost-MVP-of-SC2 part of APL.
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On November 10 2013 10:41 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:40 bittman wrote:
When Kespa was switching over, shy/sos was basically the first player that they were praising as really good at sc2.
I'm happy to see him win a big thing. He's been one of the most consistently good players this year. I thought it was soulkey that first got attention in SC2 since he was reportedly the first to make GM.
That's what I remember as well. He was hyped to win that MLG Invitational in 2012, but then he got owned by Flash 2-0.
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On November 10 2013 10:42 unigolyn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:41 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:35 Rostam wrote:On November 10 2013 10:33 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:30 aintz wrote:On November 10 2013 10:29 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:27 Zealously wrote:On November 10 2013 10:24 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:23 liberate71 wrote:On November 10 2013 10:22 Caladan wrote:Sad. Another faceless champion. At least a Kespa player won. GGs! Thanks ESL for this fantastic production! Your smileys dont make up for your silly comments sOs is the definition of faceless. Most people didn't know he existed before this tournament. And he cheesed the entire finals. What a joke. Please never come into an LR thread again I'm hosting a barcraft and it was dead silent in here because no one cares about sOs. I honestly liked his play - it was neat, and some new strats I never expected to see (hidden expansion in a finals, say WHAT!?). But his story is 0. yall are a bunch of lame haters then. but you're probaby sitting home alone spreading hate on the internet anyways. I'm not hating! How can you argue that sOs is in any way a fan favorite!? He's maybe top 100 in terms of name recognition. It's fucking boring if the same players are constantly placing high and winning every tournament. New fan favorites need to emerge for things to stay interesting. Just because he doesn't have a big fanbase now doesn't mean he never will, and it doesn't mean you should make 100 posts in this thread whining about how he's killing esports by not throwing the finals. There are several factors that produce increased fanfare in sports. Chief among them are Dynasties, Rivalries, and Underdogs. I love SC2. I absolutely love it. I watched every single match of WCS NA and EU this year. But the players with the most of each of the three items I mentioned simply keep not winning. What's the biggest rivalry in SC2? It's not IdrA vs MMA anymore. TL vs EG? They're besties now. When was the last Dynasty? Mvp? Everyone loves jurgen. Lost in RO16. Who was the biggest underdog story? NaNiwa, out in ro16. I'm not hating on sOs, I'm really not. He just doesn't do anything to grow the community. Try explaining him to a new viewer - you can't. He's not the BW god that came to SC2 and continued his legacy. He's not the only foreigner in a Korean-dominated world. He's not the up-and-coming young guy with sick micro. He's not the "new best zerg". He's not the "new best terran". He's not the aggressive Korean Protoss who learned English and has cool ceremonies. He's just some gamer. Wait, so "new best zerg" and "new best terran" are appropriate storylines, but "new best protoss" isn't? What the hell?
In what world is sOs the "best new protoss"? Dear held that title coming into this tourney.
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On November 10 2013 10:39 Strela wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:37 moon_fall wrote:
Grandfinal between Jaedong and sOs is actually a good example of difference between SC BW and SC2. In BW, "hard skill" like micro and macro are all that matters. Hence a good player will be good throughout his career. SC2, on the other hand, somewhat focuses on "soft skill" like mind-game and building hard counter armies, which is much more dicey. So a legendary player in SC2 will not stay in legend for long. I believe Jaedong had a remarkable year in 2013 in sc2.
five 2nd place finishes is insane.
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France9034 Posts
On November 10 2013 10:42 unigolyn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 10 2013 10:41 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:35 Rostam wrote:On November 10 2013 10:33 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:30 aintz wrote:On November 10 2013 10:29 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:27 Zealously wrote:On November 10 2013 10:24 DiLiGu wrote:On November 10 2013 10:23 liberate71 wrote:On November 10 2013 10:22 Caladan wrote:Sad. Another faceless champion. At least a Kespa player won. GGs! Thanks ESL for this fantastic production! Your smileys dont make up for your silly comments sOs is the definition of faceless. Most people didn't know he existed before this tournament. And he cheesed the entire finals. What a joke. Please never come into an LR thread again I'm hosting a barcraft and it was dead silent in here because no one cares about sOs. I honestly liked his play - it was neat, and some new strats I never expected to see (hidden expansion in a finals, say WHAT!?). But his story is 0. yall are a bunch of lame haters then. but you're probaby sitting home alone spreading hate on the internet anyways. I'm not hating! How can you argue that sOs is in any way a fan favorite!? He's maybe top 100 in terms of name recognition. It's fucking boring if the same players are constantly placing high and winning every tournament. New fan favorites need to emerge for things to stay interesting. Just because he doesn't have a big fanbase now doesn't mean he never will, and it doesn't mean you should make 100 posts in this thread whining about how he's killing esports by not throwing the finals. There are several factors that produce increased fanfare in sports. Chief among them are Dynasties, Rivalries, and Underdogs. I love SC2. I absolutely love it. I watched every single match of WCS NA and EU this year. But the players with the most of each of the three items I mentioned simply keep not winning. What's the biggest rivalry in SC2? It's not IdrA vs MMA anymore. TL vs EG? They're besties now. When was the last Dynasty? Mvp? Everyone loves jurgen. Lost in RO16. Who was the biggest underdog story? NaNiwa, out in ro16. I'm not hating on sOs, I'm really not. He just doesn't do anything to grow the community. Try explaining him to a new viewer - you can't. He's not the BW god that came to SC2 and continued his legacy. He's not the only foreigner in a Korean-dominated world. He's not the up-and-coming young guy with sick micro. He's not the "new best zerg". He's not the "new best terran". He's not the aggressive Korean Protoss who learned English and has cool ceremonies. He's just some gamer. Wait, so "new best zerg" and "new best terran" are appropriate storylines, but "new best protoss" isn't? What the hell?
Dude you don't understand ! It's a faceless korean ! Duh !
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Best player won. Great games from sOs, good to see that he got past his nerves and hopefully this will give him confidence to fulfil his huge potential!
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On November 10 2013 10:42 MCMXVI wrote:
Anyone else got the feeling like it was more JD losing/not playing his best, rather than sOs outplaying JD?
I mean, coming back in game 1 was awesome, I had it called for JD when sOs was at half JDs supply, but the rest of the games, I think JD was not playing his absolute best as he was against Dear.
Anyway, so stocked that we got a protoss champion at Blizzcon! So few protoss champions lately, except for Dears' recent wins.
JD didn't play his best because sOs didn't let him. sOs set the pace for the series
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On November 10 2013 10:39 Raskit wrote:
Reports coming in that the broadcast had to be cut off early due to flooding at the venue from all the Jaedong fanboy tears.
Lol, well played.
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