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On September 27 2013 21:57 Elite_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 21:55 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 21:55 liberate71 wrote:On September 27 2013 21:54 Schelim wrote:On September 27 2013 21:53 TheDwf wrote:On September 27 2013 21:52 Schelim wrote:
Innovation is the best player in the world at dying to zerg all-ins.
well, actually, that might be the one thing Flash is even better at. Held hyvaa's roach/bane bust without Mines or Tanks in the Derelict game, not so bad. fair enough, didn't see that game. i guess Inno is the best then. Marineking is pretty good too ;P Marineking held a 6 pool with a CC first... twice... xD Anyone knowing what they're doing can hold a 6pool with a CC first... lol
Ah i forgot to tell you. He build it on the lowground.
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On September 27 2013 21:55 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 21:55 liberate71 wrote:On September 27 2013 21:54 Schelim wrote:On September 27 2013 21:53 TheDwf wrote:On September 27 2013 21:52 Schelim wrote:
Innovation is the best player in the world at dying to zerg all-ins.
well, actually, that might be the one thing Flash is even better at. Held hyvaa's roach/bane bust without Mines or Tanks in the Derelict game, not so bad. fair enough, didn't see that game. i guess Inno is the best then. Marineking is pretty good too ;P Marineking held a 6 pool with a CC first... twice... xD
6pool doesn't count, it's not supposed to work against terran ever
also as much as it hurts me to say it like this, i was only considering relevant players
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On September 27 2013 21:59 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 21:55 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 21:55 liberate71 wrote:On September 27 2013 21:54 Schelim wrote:On September 27 2013 21:53 TheDwf wrote:On September 27 2013 21:52 Schelim wrote:
Innovation is the best player in the world at dying to zerg all-ins.
well, actually, that might be the one thing Flash is even better at. Held hyvaa's roach/bane bust without Mines or Tanks in the Derelict game, not so bad. fair enough, didn't see that game. i guess Inno is the best then. Marineking is pretty good too ;P Marineking held a 6 pool with a CC first... twice... xD 6pool doesn't count, it's not supposed to work against terran ever also as much as it hurts me to say it like this, i was only considering relevant players
I think every player who is in Code A is relevant. I mean. if you say they are not relevant... which foreigner is relevant then?
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On September 27 2013 21:45 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 21:39 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 21:31 KelsierSC wrote:On September 27 2013 21:27 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 21:26 KelsierSC wrote:On September 27 2013 21:21 ZenithM wrote:On September 27 2013 21:20 Waise wrote:On September 27 2013 21:14 KelsierSC wrote:
Oh well I see this thread has descended into shitting on a fantastic caster. Can't wait till next week when we talk about how improved Tasteless is.
the way people mope and pout when anyone criticizes the sacred cow casters is ridiculous And so far the discussion has been fairly reasonable. We're not "shitting" on anyone. ill informed criticism is not reasonable imo. Point to the "ill informed criticism" The only thing I'd say was unreasonable was the guy who just said: "fire the guy, right now" Pretty much everyone saying he doesn't watch, doesn't play, doesn't know about strategies. Unless you live in his house you don't know how much he plays. He does watch SC2 as he is a god damn caster, unless he casts with his eyes closed. He does know about strategies, he references them many times in the cast. however his role in the casting duo is for entertainment,play-by-play and to ask Artosis to talk about strategies in more depth. People calling for him to be fired or replaced by wolf when they don't really understand anything is not reasonable Well obviously you cannot know for sure how much he plays and watches, but you can look at the result, which is his casting, conclude that it declined and is subpar knowledge wise and look for a reason. Since he's a talented smart guy, it the reason seems to be, that he does not invest the necessary time. that's just basic logic. Well he does watch SC2. But if he only watches his casted games, he watches less SC than the average TL member, which is not enough to impress. He does not know about any strategies that are somewhat new, he cannot contribute anything relevant from a strategical standpoint, in fact, he often tries to make jokes and tell stories(which is generally fine, and the corner stone of his appeal as a caster) when some big decisions are made, because he outright misses it. I know that his role in the casting duo is to give play by play and entertainment, but he should also know basic stuff. Also he does not know enough about the players. Sometimes he just cannot say anything regarding some of the more unknown players. He called TvT innovations best matchup TODAY..... while Everybody and their grandmother are harping about post hellbat Innovation TvT for months now. Well all of your argument is based on his casting having declined which I don't think it has but that is just an opinion so this is a rather pointless discussion. I think you want tasteless to be a strategical mastermind that discusses in depth strategies, I just don't think that is his role, if you listen properly he prompts artosis to talk about strategy in depth. I agree with you about the unknown player argument. You know I think it is hard for anyone to give in depth discussion of an unknown player...because they are an unknown player.
His knowledge of the game and current meta is quantifiably worse. It's not a vague statement, it's not just saying "he lost his passion". His casting has declined in quality, regardless of what his role is. Your commendably stalwart defense of him seems emotional and not quite objective.
Even if he is just a play by play guy, maintaining a high level of technical knowledge and staying up to date on trends and the meta should be prerequisites for casting the highest level of competitive starcraft there is. I don't hate Tasteless at all but I do expect a certain level of quality when watching content of this caliber.
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On September 27 2013 21:59 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 21:55 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 21:55 liberate71 wrote:On September 27 2013 21:54 Schelim wrote:On September 27 2013 21:53 TheDwf wrote:On September 27 2013 21:52 Schelim wrote:
Innovation is the best player in the world at dying to zerg all-ins.
well, actually, that might be the one thing Flash is even better at. Held hyvaa's roach/bane bust without Mines or Tanks in the Derelict game, not so bad. fair enough, didn't see that game. i guess Inno is the best then. Marineking is pretty good too ;P Marineking held a 6 pool with a CC first... twice... xD 6pool doesn't count, it's not supposed to work against terran ever also as much as it hurts me to say it like this, i was only considering relevant players
MKP is relevant, think of him as Maru Sr. 
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On September 27 2013 21:59 Schelim wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 21:55 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 21:55 liberate71 wrote:On September 27 2013 21:54 Schelim wrote:On September 27 2013 21:53 TheDwf wrote:On September 27 2013 21:52 Schelim wrote:
Innovation is the best player in the world at dying to zerg all-ins.
well, actually, that might be the one thing Flash is even better at. Held hyvaa's roach/bane bust without Mines or Tanks in the Derelict game, not so bad. fair enough, didn't see that game. i guess Inno is the best then. Marineking is pretty good too ;P Marineking held a 6 pool with a CC first... twice... xD 6pool doesn't count, it's not supposed to work against terran ever also as much as it hurts me to say it like this, i was only considering relevant players
you should change your signature (the part about the unofficial world champion)
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On September 27 2013 21:56 Kerence wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 21:49 JustPassingBy wrote:On September 27 2013 21:43 rothsbury wrote:On September 27 2013 21:40 KelsierSC wrote:On September 27 2013 21:38 rothsbury wrote:On September 27 2013 21:31 KelsierSC wrote:On September 27 2013 21:27 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 21:26 KelsierSC wrote:On September 27 2013 21:21 ZenithM wrote:On September 27 2013 21:20 Waise wrote:
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the way people mope and pout when anyone criticizes the sacred cow casters is ridiculous And so far the discussion has been fairly reasonable. We're not "shitting" on anyone. ill informed criticism is not reasonable imo. Point to the "ill informed criticism" The only thing I'd say was unreasonable was the guy who just said: "fire the guy, right now" Pretty much everyone saying he doesn't watch, doesn't play, doesn't know about strategies. Unless you live in his house you don't know how much he plays. He does watch SC2 as he is a god damn caster, unless he casts with his eyes closed. He does know about strategies, he references them many times in the cast. however his role in the casting duo is for entertainment,play-by-play and to ask Artosis to talk about strategies in more depth. People calling for him to be fired or replaced by wolf when they don't really understand anything is not reasonable "Evolution is pretty well-supported by the fossil record." "Did you see the fossils put there? Unless you lived on Earth at the time you don't know how the fossils got there." well I guess that proves it then. Clearly the two arguments are comparable. The point is you're applying the strong sceptical argument to whether Tasteless plays/watches SC2 and denying any possibility of inferring how much he plays/watches SC2s from the quality of his casts. Someone who watches and plays SC2 should have a much greater game knowledge than Tasteless, especially one with Tasteless' native intelligence; therefore Tasteless very likely doesn't watch or play SC2 beyond what he casts. There are strong hints towards it though, considering how Tasteless and Artosis never talk about them playing starcraft and that is not because Tasteless dislikes talking about games he is playing. In fact, he is pretty vocal about it. A lot of the time when Artosis tries to reference another game where people have played a similar strategy (i.e. Did you watch player x do this vs player y the other day), Tasteless usually hasn't watched it. If anything that's one of the things that I like about Artosis, it clearly shows he does a lot of Starcraft outside the casting, even watching minor tournaments. Nothing Tasteless talks about gives me the feeling he does anything with Starcraft except casting at GOM and maybe watching a few of the big tournaments.
But Artosis is wrong so often the "i know what this is" thing has become a shtick. And tasteless is there for entertainment value and he does that job well enough.
Everyone has flaws and tastosis is probably not the ultimate caster combo they once were but they are still keeping me entertained.
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On September 27 2013 21:58 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 21:57 Elite_ wrote:On September 27 2013 21:55 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 21:55 liberate71 wrote:On September 27 2013 21:54 Schelim wrote:On September 27 2013 21:53 TheDwf wrote:On September 27 2013 21:52 Schelim wrote:
Innovation is the best player in the world at dying to zerg all-ins.
well, actually, that might be the one thing Flash is even better at. Held hyvaa's roach/bane bust without Mines or Tanks in the Derelict game, not so bad. fair enough, didn't see that game. i guess Inno is the best then. Marineking is pretty good too ;P Marineking held a 6 pool with a CC first... twice... xD Anyone knowing what they're doing can hold a 6pool with a CC first... lol Ah i forgot to tell you. He build it on the lowground.
Still... Anyone knowing what they're doing can hold a 6pool with a CC first.
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On September 27 2013 22:00 artrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 21:59 Schelim wrote:On September 27 2013 21:55 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 21:55 liberate71 wrote:On September 27 2013 21:54 Schelim wrote:On September 27 2013 21:53 TheDwf wrote:On September 27 2013 21:52 Schelim wrote:
Innovation is the best player in the world at dying to zerg all-ins.
well, actually, that might be the one thing Flash is even better at. Held hyvaa's roach/bane bust without Mines or Tanks in the Derelict game, not so bad. fair enough, didn't see that game. i guess Inno is the best then. Marineking is pretty good too ;P Marineking held a 6 pool with a CC first... twice... xD 6pool doesn't count, it's not supposed to work against terran ever also as much as it hurts me to say it like this, i was only considering relevant players MKP is relevant, think of him as Maru Sr.
Haha I read that as Maru.Jr.
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On September 27 2013 21:59 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 21:59 Schelim wrote:On September 27 2013 21:55 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 21:55 liberate71 wrote:On September 27 2013 21:54 Schelim wrote:On September 27 2013 21:53 TheDwf wrote:On September 27 2013 21:52 Schelim wrote:
Innovation is the best player in the world at dying to zerg all-ins.
well, actually, that might be the one thing Flash is even better at. Held hyvaa's roach/bane bust without Mines or Tanks in the Derelict game, not so bad. fair enough, didn't see that game. i guess Inno is the best then. Marineking is pretty good too ;P Marineking held a 6 pool with a CC first... twice... xD 6pool doesn't count, it's not supposed to work against terran ever also as much as it hurts me to say it like this, i was only considering relevant players I think every player who is in Code A is relevant. I mean. if you say they are not relevant... which foreigner is relevant then?
i was exaggarating. but yeah, no foreigner is relevant. MAYBE Scarlett, but we'll have to see what her play looks like now. Naniwa unfortunately becomes relevant from time to time, but usually fades away just as quickly again.
On September 27 2013 22:00 Glubschauge wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 21:59 Schelim wrote:On September 27 2013 21:55 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 21:55 liberate71 wrote:On September 27 2013 21:54 Schelim wrote:On September 27 2013 21:53 TheDwf wrote:On September 27 2013 21:52 Schelim wrote:
Innovation is the best player in the world at dying to zerg all-ins.
well, actually, that might be the one thing Flash is even better at. Held hyvaa's roach/bane bust without Mines or Tanks in the Derelict game, not so bad. fair enough, didn't see that game. i guess Inno is the best then. Marineking is pretty good too ;P Marineking held a 6 pool with a CC first... twice... xD 6pool doesn't count, it's not supposed to work against terran ever also as much as it hurts me to say it like this, i was only considering relevant players you should change your signature (the part about the unofficial world champion)
psst, don't tell anyone
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suddenly soo is dead. man innovation
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lol bad luck with the rocks. So silly.
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Lots od supply block.. Innovation's macro is a bit weak this game.
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wow Inno making some mistakes
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Innovation tilting hardcore, loses massive chunk of army while reinforcements just walk by.
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did inno just throw that with the mismanagement in the middle (lost his medivacs to mutas while marines just walked past)
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Taking out those medivacs was huge
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I seem to only ever see Innovation losing TvZs nowadays... Maybe time to stop hyping his TvZ as the greatest thing since sliced MMA?
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EPT
