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On September 27 2013 22:08 NarutO wrote:
INnoVation made a TANK? CRITICAL MALFUNCTION, SHUTTING DOWN SYSTEMS
He thinks he's playing the balance test map.
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On September 27 2013 22:08 NarutO wrote:
INnoVation made a TANK? CRITICAL MALFUNCTION, SHUTTING DOWN SYSTEMS
This missclick happens so often to me.
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On September 27 2013 22:07 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 22:00 Squat wrote:On September 27 2013 21:45 KelsierSC wrote:On September 27 2013 21:39 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 21:31 KelsierSC wrote:On September 27 2013 21:27 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 21:26 KelsierSC wrote:On September 27 2013 21:21 ZenithM wrote:On September 27 2013 21:20 Waise wrote:On September 27 2013 21:14 KelsierSC wrote:
Oh well I see this thread has descended into shitting on a fantastic caster. Can't wait till next week when we talk about how improved Tasteless is.
the way people mope and pout when anyone criticizes the sacred cow casters is ridiculous And so far the discussion has been fairly reasonable. We're not "shitting" on anyone. ill informed criticism is not reasonable imo. Point to the "ill informed criticism" The only thing I'd say was unreasonable was the guy who just said: "fire the guy, right now" Pretty much everyone saying he doesn't watch, doesn't play, doesn't know about strategies. Unless you live in his house you don't know how much he plays. He does watch SC2 as he is a god damn caster, unless he casts with his eyes closed. He does know about strategies, he references them many times in the cast. however his role in the casting duo is for entertainment,play-by-play and to ask Artosis to talk about strategies in more depth. People calling for him to be fired or replaced by wolf when they don't really understand anything is not reasonable Well obviously you cannot know for sure how much he plays and watches, but you can look at the result, which is his casting, conclude that it declined and is subpar knowledge wise and look for a reason. Since he's a talented smart guy, it the reason seems to be, that he does not invest the necessary time. that's just basic logic. Well he does watch SC2. But if he only watches his casted games, he watches less SC than the average TL member, which is not enough to impress. He does not know about any strategies that are somewhat new, he cannot contribute anything relevant from a strategical standpoint, in fact, he often tries to make jokes and tell stories(which is generally fine, and the corner stone of his appeal as a caster) when some big decisions are made, because he outright misses it. I know that his role in the casting duo is to give play by play and entertainment, but he should also know basic stuff. Also he does not know enough about the players. Sometimes he just cannot say anything regarding some of the more unknown players. He called TvT innovations best matchup TODAY..... while Everybody and their grandmother are harping about post hellbat Innovation TvT for months now. Well all of your argument is based on his casting having declined which I don't think it has but that is just an opinion so this is a rather pointless discussion. I think you want tasteless to be a strategical mastermind that discusses in depth strategies, I just don't think that is his role, if you listen properly he prompts artosis to talk about strategy in depth. I agree with you about the unknown player argument. You know I think it is hard for anyone to give in depth discussion of an unknown player...because they are an unknown player. His knowledge of the game and current meta is quantifiably worse. It's not a vague statement, it's not just saying "he lost his passion". His casting has declined in quality, regardless of what his role is. Your commendably stalwart defense of him seems emotional and not quite objective. Even if he is just a play by play guy, maintaining a high level of technical knowledge and staying up to date on trends and the meta should be prerequisites for casting the highest level of competitive starcraft there is. I don't hate Tasteless at all but I do expect a certain level of quality when watching content of this caliber. How would you quantify it, is there a new metric like strategies discussed per minute? Again it just seems people say, his casting has declined in quality because he makes one slip up. I have enjoyed this cast j because of the discussion and the chemistry between Tastosis. At the beginning Tasteless saying innovation has good TvT really doesn't phase me. I am emotional about it for sure because I think he is a great caster and I think the criticism is unfair , but I don't think I have said anything that isn't defend-able in an objective way.
Because he makes a lot of mistakes and seems woefully outdated about the current trends.
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On September 27 2013 22:08 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 22:07 Jono7272 wrote:
Terrans really need to start targeting with the Mines. Overseers keep taking shots and drawing them on the terran army. Only two arms, can't target with Mines AND split Marines in the same time.
I guess it was doable with tanks, not so much with how mines function. If zergs utilise this more then they soon won't want the nerf hah.
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Innovation not splitting so good. 
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I think a tank or two would actually be pretty good on sieging that 4th
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Holy crap Jjakji in the RO8?
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8 ultras against one rax lab, it's game.
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On September 27 2013 22:09 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 22:08 NarutO wrote:
INnoVation made a TANK? CRITICAL MALFUNCTION, SHUTTING DOWN SYSTEMS This missclick happens so often to me.
in a few weeks tanks are going to be alright though.
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Innovation is dead I think.
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On September 27 2013 22:10 Bagi wrote:
Holy crap Jjakji in the RO8?
soO want to knock out Innovation so he let Jjakji go ahead first.
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All the medivacs dead, Inno looks done for.
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On September 27 2013 22:10 Squat wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 22:07 KelsierSC wrote:On September 27 2013 22:00 Squat wrote:On September 27 2013 21:45 KelsierSC wrote:On September 27 2013 21:39 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 21:31 KelsierSC wrote:On September 27 2013 21:27 robson1 wrote:On September 27 2013 21:26 KelsierSC wrote:On September 27 2013 21:21 ZenithM wrote:On September 27 2013 21:20 Waise wrote:
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the way people mope and pout when anyone criticizes the sacred cow casters is ridiculous And so far the discussion has been fairly reasonable. We're not "shitting" on anyone. ill informed criticism is not reasonable imo. Point to the "ill informed criticism" The only thing I'd say was unreasonable was the guy who just said: "fire the guy, right now" Pretty much everyone saying he doesn't watch, doesn't play, doesn't know about strategies. Unless you live in his house you don't know how much he plays. He does watch SC2 as he is a god damn caster, unless he casts with his eyes closed. He does know about strategies, he references them many times in the cast. however his role in the casting duo is for entertainment,play-by-play and to ask Artosis to talk about strategies in more depth. People calling for him to be fired or replaced by wolf when they don't really understand anything is not reasonable Well obviously you cannot know for sure how much he plays and watches, but you can look at the result, which is his casting, conclude that it declined and is subpar knowledge wise and look for a reason. Since he's a talented smart guy, it the reason seems to be, that he does not invest the necessary time. that's just basic logic. Well he does watch SC2. But if he only watches his casted games, he watches less SC than the average TL member, which is not enough to impress. He does not know about any strategies that are somewhat new, he cannot contribute anything relevant from a strategical standpoint, in fact, he often tries to make jokes and tell stories(which is generally fine, and the corner stone of his appeal as a caster) when some big decisions are made, because he outright misses it. I know that his role in the casting duo is to give play by play and entertainment, but he should also know basic stuff. Also he does not know enough about the players. Sometimes he just cannot say anything regarding some of the more unknown players. He called TvT innovations best matchup TODAY..... while Everybody and their grandmother are harping about post hellbat Innovation TvT for months now. Well all of your argument is based on his casting having declined which I don't think it has but that is just an opinion so this is a rather pointless discussion. I think you want tasteless to be a strategical mastermind that discusses in depth strategies, I just don't think that is his role, if you listen properly he prompts artosis to talk about strategy in depth. I agree with you about the unknown player argument. You know I think it is hard for anyone to give in depth discussion of an unknown player...because they are an unknown player. His knowledge of the game and current meta is quantifiably worse. It's not a vague statement, it's not just saying "he lost his passion". His casting has declined in quality, regardless of what his role is. Your commendably stalwart defense of him seems emotional and not quite objective. Even if he is just a play by play guy, maintaining a high level of technical knowledge and staying up to date on trends and the meta should be prerequisites for casting the highest level of competitive starcraft there is. I don't hate Tasteless at all but I do expect a certain level of quality when watching content of this caliber. How would you quantify it, is there a new metric like strategies discussed per minute? Again it just seems people say, his casting has declined in quality because he makes one slip up. I have enjoyed this cast j because of the discussion and the chemistry between Tastosis. At the beginning Tasteless saying innovation has good TvT really doesn't phase me. I am emotional about it for sure because I think he is a great caster and I think the criticism is unfair , but I don't think I have said anything that isn't defend-able in an objective way. Because he makes a lot of mistakes and seems woefully outdated about the current trends.
I think that is the crux of your argument and with the way you phrase it and with no major evidence I don't think we can convince each other differently so I don't really want to discuss it further.
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On September 27 2013 22:05 Yonnua wrote:
I seem to only ever see Innovation losing TvZs nowadays... Maybe time to stop hyping his TvZ as the greatest thing since sliced MMA?
stop hyping it? lol he's 23 for 7 in his last 30 T v Z's - and 17 for 3 in his last 20.
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As I said I did not see both Jjakji and Inno making into Ro8
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On September 27 2013 22:10 robson1 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2013 22:09 TheDwf wrote:On September 27 2013 22:08 NarutO wrote:
INnoVation made a TANK? CRITICAL MALFUNCTION, SHUTTING DOWN SYSTEMS This missclick happens so often to me. in a few weeks tanks are going to be alright though.
Nope. And it's absolutely mind-boggling they're even considering weakening 4M with no compensation when the best TvZ in the world struggles even against non-Korean Zergs and gets smashed by Korean Zergs.
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ok i am in my corner, manly crying and stuff.
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EPT
