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On September 11 2013 09:46 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 09:46 URLateral wrote:
I mean Liquid already beat acer 4-2 in playoffs and since they came to the finals in the winners bracket they get to see Acers lineup before picking their own so they should be able to take it. I wasn't aware of that perk, that should put this in TL's favor then. They can match innovation vs Taeja twice and put everyone else in their best matchup. In fact that seems like almost too much of an advantage...
Would that be the best idea for Liquid though? It would eliminate them from using Taeja as well, and if Innovation wins both 2-0, not only has Liquid lost 2 games, but they also lost Taeja. Might be better to just throw fodder at Innovation and use Taeja and Hero to try to get the 4 wins.
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On September 11 2013 10:17 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 09:46 Dodgin wrote:On September 11 2013 09:46 URLateral wrote:
I mean Liquid already beat acer 4-2 in playoffs and since they came to the finals in the winners bracket they get to see Acers lineup before picking their own so they should be able to take it. I wasn't aware of that perk, that should put this in TL's favor then. They can match innovation vs Taeja twice and put everyone else in their best matchup. In fact that seems like almost too much of an advantage... Would that be the best idea for Liquid though? It would eliminate them from using Taeja as well, and if Innovation wins both 2-0, not only has Liquid lost 2 games, but they also lost Taeja. Might be better to just throw fodder at Innovation and use Taeja and Hero to try to get the 4 wins.
It depends on if you believe Taeja can 1-1 or better with Innovation, if they don't think he can win(not sure why they would think this considering innovation's recent TvT losses) they can throw fodder zergs at him and do what you said. I think I would be confident in Taeja's ability to take those games though.
So if Acer's lineup is this:
<> Innovation
<> Innovation
<> Paranoid
<> Nerchio
<> MMA
<> Bly
They can either do:
Taeja <> Innovation
Taeja <> Innovation
Snute/Ret/Zenio <> Paranoid
Hero <> Nerchio
TLO <> MMA
Snute/Ret/Zenio <> Bly
or
Snute/Ret/Zenio <> Innovation
Snute/Ret/Zenio <> Innovation
Taeja <> Paranoid
Hero <> Nerchio
TLO <> MMA
Taeja <> Bly
There are more options too of course, hard to say what would be best(I think TLO vsT is significantly better than the rest of TL zergs so I put him vs Terran twice but that might be outdated, can't say I follow him that closely to know well enough).
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On September 11 2013 09:44 Vertigro wrote:
honestly think Liquid will take it.. if it goes to an ace, taeja will destroy anyone on acer!
acer's only hope would be to play inno twice and hope he doesn't draw taeja, pick up the free wins and then manage to pull out 2 more from somewhere before the ace
You said it like taeja is much better than innovation which is totally wrong.
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Taeja vs INnoVation is a huge gamble for both teams. Super ace vs super ace, and if WCS finals is any indication, they're extremely closely matched (Taeja took out INnoVation 2-1 with an incredibly long and close third game).
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On September 11 2013 10:33 dustinth wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 09:44 Vertigro wrote:
honestly think Liquid will take it.. if it goes to an ace, taeja will destroy anyone on acer!
acer's only hope would be to play inno twice and hope he doesn't draw taeja, pick up the free wins and then manage to pull out 2 more from somewhere before the ace You said it like taeja is much better than innovation which is totally wrong.
I don't think that at all  I just think that taeja is the superior tvt player.. going on recent form i think its a relatively sound assumption! saying that, its innovation! anything could happen between those two :D
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On September 11 2013 10:42 Vertigro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 10:33 dustinth wrote:On September 11 2013 09:44 Vertigro wrote:
honestly think Liquid will take it.. if it goes to an ace, taeja will destroy anyone on acer!
acer's only hope would be to play inno twice and hope he doesn't draw taeja, pick up the free wins and then manage to pull out 2 more from somewhere before the ace You said it like taeja is much better than innovation which is totally wrong. I don't think that at all I just think that taeja is the superior tvt player.. going on recent form i think its a relatively sound assumption! saying that, its innovation! anything could happen between those two :D
Polt did take Taeja out in WCS AM and WCS Season Finals....
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They are gonna put out 2 Nerchio's over 2 Innovation's and shit is going down.
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Canada16217 Posts
Grats to Acer for making the Grand Finals.
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On September 11 2013 10:26 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 10:17 Bagration wrote:On September 11 2013 09:46 Dodgin wrote:On September 11 2013 09:46 URLateral wrote:
I mean Liquid already beat acer 4-2 in playoffs and since they came to the finals in the winners bracket they get to see Acers lineup before picking their own so they should be able to take it. I wasn't aware of that perk, that should put this in TL's favor then. They can match innovation vs Taeja twice and put everyone else in their best matchup. In fact that seems like almost too much of an advantage... Would that be the best idea for Liquid though? It would eliminate them from using Taeja as well, and if Innovation wins both 2-0, not only has Liquid lost 2 games, but they also lost Taeja. Might be better to just throw fodder at Innovation and use Taeja and Hero to try to get the 4 wins. It depends on if you believe Taeja can 1-1 or better with Innovation, if they don't think he can win(not sure why they would think this considering innovation's recent TvT losses) they can throw fodder zergs at him and do what you said. I think I would be confident in Taeja's ability to take those games though. So if Acer's lineup is this: <> Innovation <> Innovation <> Paranoid <> Nerchio <> MMA <> Bly They can either do: Taeja <> Innovation Taeja <> Innovation Snute/Ret/Zenio <> Paranoid Hero <> Nerchio TLO <> MMA Snute/Ret/Zenio <> Bly or Snute/Ret/Zenio <> Innovation Snute/Ret/Zenio <> Innovation Taeja <> Paranoid Hero <> Nerchio TLO <> MMA Taeja <> Bly There are more options too of course, hard to say what would be best(I think TLO vsT is significantly better than the rest of TL zergs so I put him vs Terran twice but that might be outdated, can't say I follow him that closely to know well enough).
I think they'll likely give Snute ZvZ as he kind of melts face in that matchup
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Even as a gigantic TL fanboy i would have to admit that Innovation might be a bit better than
Taeja - even at TvT and even despite those late results.
I would put Snute against Nerchio just because it would be fuckin` hilarious to get
some Nerchio-Rage against his prime-evil opponent.
After that i would put Taeja against MMA and Bly - as well as HerO against
Paranoid.
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On September 11 2013 11:57 ninjamyst wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 10:42 Vertigro wrote:On September 11 2013 10:33 dustinth wrote:On September 11 2013 09:44 Vertigro wrote:
honestly think Liquid will take it.. if it goes to an ace, taeja will destroy anyone on acer!
acer's only hope would be to play inno twice and hope he doesn't draw taeja, pick up the free wins and then manage to pull out 2 more from somewhere before the ace You said it like taeja is much better than innovation which is totally wrong. I don't think that at all I just think that taeja is the superior tvt player.. going on recent form i think its a relatively sound assumption! saying that, its innovation! anything could happen between those two :D Polt did take Taeja out in WCS AM and WCS Season Finals....
Polt didnt make it past ro16 in season 2 finals.....
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On September 11 2013 10:26 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 11 2013 10:17 Bagration wrote:On September 11 2013 09:46 Dodgin wrote:On September 11 2013 09:46 URLateral wrote:
I mean Liquid already beat acer 4-2 in playoffs and since they came to the finals in the winners bracket they get to see Acers lineup before picking their own so they should be able to take it. I wasn't aware of that perk, that should put this in TL's favor then. They can match innovation vs Taeja twice and put everyone else in their best matchup. In fact that seems like almost too much of an advantage... Would that be the best idea for Liquid though? It would eliminate them from using Taeja as well, and if Innovation wins both 2-0, not only has Liquid lost 2 games, but they also lost Taeja. Might be better to just throw fodder at Innovation and use Taeja and Hero to try to get the 4 wins. It depends on if you believe Taeja can 1-1 or better with Innovation, if they don't think he can win(not sure why they would think this considering innovation's recent TvT losses) they can throw fodder zergs at him and do what you said. I think I would be confident in Taeja's ability to take those games though. So if Acer's lineup is this: <> Innovation <> Innovation <> Paranoid <> Nerchio <> MMA <> Bly They can either do: Taeja <> Innovation Taeja <> Innovation Snute/Ret/Zenio <> Paranoid Hero <> Nerchio TLO <> MMA Snute/Ret/Zenio <> Bly or Snute/Ret/Zenio <> Innovation Snute/Ret/Zenio <> Innovation Taeja <> Paranoid Hero <> Nerchio TLO <> MMA Taeja <> Bly There are more options too of course, hard to say what would be best(I think TLO vsT is significantly better than the rest of TL zergs so I put him vs Terran twice but that might be outdated, can't say I follow him that closely to know well enough).
Is the Acer selecting already set? So no Scarlett? Thats very bad news for acer. In this setup i would match TL up like this:
Ret <> Innovation
Snute <> Innovation
TLO <> Paranoid
Teaja <> Nerchio
Hero <> MMA
Teaja <> Bly
The thing is sending Teaja or Hero against innovation would be stupid. A win against innovation is has not more value as a win against Paranoid or Bly but on the foreigners Teaja and Hero has something like 80 - 90% winning chance giving Liquid 3 wins that are pretty save. Ret and Snute (or TLO/Zenio) would have nothing to lose against Innovation and could just throw curve balls. If liquid gets out 1-1 after Innovation it would be almost over.
I am not sure about Acer sending Innovation twice. I personally would send MMA twice because he has a shot at Teaja and Hero. Innovation once, Nerchio once and MMA twice the chances are not that bad that this is going to the ace match with Innovation as the last player instead of MMA. But in this setup Acer has more "must win" matchups, Innovation just cant lose, MMA has to win at least once and Nerchio too. Liquid on the other had has the huge advantage of setting up the matchups, Hero and Teaja as very stable players, which both can be the ace depending whos feeling better against MMA and TLO/Snute which are looking pretty good in zvz.
4-2 Liquid
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Austria24422 Posts
I wouldn't put Taeja against Innovation twice. They're matched pretty even so everything can happen there to be honest and Innovation could very well 2-0 which would screw TL hard. Actually, we'll have to see if Innovation even plays twice or if they want to save him for the ace match and have Nerchio play twice who certainly could take out Taeja at least once. Taeja's TvZ is really the weak link in his game right now.
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Wow congratz Acer! Jaedong will be at DH either way so I'm happy with the result. Good to see that the zergs/foreigners are still relevant on team Acer .
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WOW I am going to see Liquid play live!!!!! Should I go up to them? Man I am so nervous. The first day they will play 2 group stages and the finals of SC2L. and the second day RO16 onward. They are going to be busy so I appreciate any tips about not disturbing pro-gamers but getting a picture or an autograph.
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On September 11 2013 17:12 oneill12 wrote:
WOW I am going to see Liquid play live!!!!! Should I go up to them? Man I am so nervous. The first day they will play 2 group stages and the finals of SC2L. and the second day RO16 onward. They are going to be busy so I appreciate any tips about not disturbing pro-gamers but getting a picture or an autograph.
just don't approach them right after the lost a match (which hopefully doesn't happen^^) and not right before a match. Best moment probably is either after one of the group stages or after 2nd match of the group stage when they still have a match to play but are already guaranteed to go through their group.
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thanks! obviously I will be careful because I want them to do well and not disturb them but man, talking and seeing them will be like a dream come true. omg
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Austria24422 Posts
On September 11 2013 23:47 oneill12 wrote:
thanks! obviously I will be careful because I want them to do well and not disturb them but man, talking and seeing them will be like a dream come true. omg
If you could hug HerO for me that'd be great
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wish we were that close . Will tell him his fans love him though if I get the chance!
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EG really needs to improve it's player selection.. they always seem to give bad matchups for their players and the best possible solution for the other team..
It's either really bad luck or just lack of skillz..
I understand they try and play mind games.. but come on? you always lose the map selection wars...
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