well without foreigners .. EG lineup looks so mediocre, they are good players and all.. but the hype for them is not that big... like Demuslim or Huk... expect Jaedong. Looks like a Liquid-Acer final to me.
On September 09 2013 15:57 jarod wrote: well without foreigners .. EG lineup looks so mediocre, they are good players and all.. but the hype for them is not that big... like Demuslim or Huk... expect Jaedong. Looks like a Liquid-Acer final to me.
What? To me they look heavily favoured against Axiom. Demuslim and HuK? aLive, Jaedong and Revival are all in WCS top 16 and Oz and JYP are both solid protoss players.
Liquid probably won`t stand a chance against Acer. InnoVation against two foreigner-zergs? Pretty much auto-wins. Don`t want to be offensive against Snute or Ret but Innovations TvZ is pretty much unbeatable for a foreigner.
Sure, Liquid is favored in Heros and Taejas (2nd game) games but will that be enough. Nerchio always has had TLOs number so this will be a pretty tough one.
On September 09 2013 15:57 jarod wrote: well without foreigners .. EG lineup looks so mediocre, they are good players and all.. but the hype for them is not that big... like Demuslim or Huk... expect Jaedong. Looks like a Liquid-Acer final to me.
What? To me they look heavily favoured against Axiom. Demuslim and HuK? aLive, Jaedong and Revival are all in WCS top 16 and Oz and JYP are both solid protoss players.
Like I said Jaedong is playing really well lately. Revival win an IEM and yes.. Alive is a solid player.. who is always there but does not win (Expect IPL). But Jyp and Oz... don`t know what to say.. I never liked them.. they don`t seem any special.. I just hope for good games.
On September 09 2013 16:20 styLesdavis wrote: Liquid probably won`t stand a chance against Acer. InnoVation against two foreigner-zergs? Pretty much auto-wins. Don`t want to be offensive against Snute or Ret but Innovations TvZ is pretty much unbeatable for a foreigner.
Sure, Liquid is favored in Heros and Taejas (2nd game) games but will that be enough. Nerchio always has had TLOs number so this will be a pretty tough one.
Why do you think MMA is favored vs Taeja? Taeja's been playing on a completely different level the past few months. And if Taeja wins vs MMA, HerO can easily defeat Bly and it's going to the ace match. I think both teams can win this.
It seems to me that EG and TL didnt made it to the offline finals because there r no EG players on the DH Bucharest player lis and TL without Hero and Teaja. Thats one downside of replaycasting.
These r just speculations by myself, but lets say that I would be quite surprised if my predictions r wrong.
Hopefully there is no place on the net where u can bet money on these playoff matches!
On September 09 2013 17:29 MaStA_YOdA wrote: It seems to me that EG and TL didnt made it to the offline finals because there r no EG players on the DH Bucharest player lis and TL without Hero and Teaja. Thats one downside of replaycasting.
These r just speculations by myself, but lets say that I would be quite surprised if my predictions r wrong.
Hopefully there is no place on the net where u can bet money on these playoff matches!
why? do u think that EG and TL told DH not to list their players? A DH Open has limited slots. Thats why i think it would be kinda stupid not to let them participate in the main tournament on this weekend just for the sake of surprising the crowd?
On September 09 2013 18:19 Baozer wrote: Where's Scarlett!?
She had to take care of her wrists, thats why she's off of sc2 for a month.
On September 09 2013 18:20 MaStA_YOdA wrote: why? do u think that EG and TL told DH not to list their players? A DH Open has limited slots. Thats why i think it would be kinda stupid not to let them participate in the main tournament on this weekend just for the sake of surprising the crowd?
Except they didnt release the full players list, the current players list includes 78 people, 18 more to go.
Also I think I found whats wrong with the schedule, it should be:
Tuesday:
M4: Winner M1 vs. Winner M2 (WB Finals) - Wednesday, Sep 11 12:00am CEST (GMT+02:00) + Show Spoiler [Results] +
M5: Loser M4 vs. Winner M3 (LB Finals) - Thursday, Sep 11 02:00am CEST (GMT+02:00) + Show Spoiler [Results] +
On September 09 2013 18:20 MaStA_YOdA wrote: why? do u think that EG and TL told DH not to list their players? A DH Open has limited slots. Thats why i think it would be kinda stupid not to let them participate in the main tournament on this weekend just for the sake of surprising the crowd?
DH stated after releasing the player list that SC2L is going to add 10 additional players to the line up. Would make sense if they don't include them yet.
This league should get more attention. A great and consistent league with skilled players and a GREAT commentator. I sincerely hope that these kind of tournaments gain traction a great viewer numbers.
On September 10 2013 01:14 elanobissen wrote: This league should get more attention. A great and consistent league with skilled players and a GREAT commentator. I sincerely hope that these kind of tournaments gain traction a great viewer numbers.
Just my 50
But it is not played live and has a production value from some no name caster broadcaster from his cellar. But you are right, in terms of players and casters, it does not get better than this.
Anyways, rooting for Acer. I really hope that they manage to make it to Bucharest!
On September 10 2013 01:14 elanobissen wrote: This league should get more attention. A great and consistent league with skilled players and a GREAT commentator. I sincerely hope that these kind of tournaments gain traction a great viewer numbers.
Just my 50
I agree. I love the format too. I love the all-kill format too, especially in the GSTL, but this type of format compliments the other team leagues nicely.
On September 10 2013 01:45 lolfail9001 wrote: It's me or MMA not engaging when being up 40+ supply was a complete throw?
taeja had always the bigger tank count no way mma could engage into sieged tanks
Yeah, I don't think he could have attacked since a lot of the supply advantage was marines still running across the map. MMA's mistake was unsieging a big part of his army at once and got caught by taeja's marines
On September 10 2013 01:45 lolfail9001 wrote: It's me or MMA not engaging when being up 40+ supply was a complete throw?
You can't engage light-heartedly in a Tank line parked in a choke.
I did not mean engaging in tank line, it is suicide. I meant something like pick him apart, or force TaeJa in engagement like right before that. And obviously, that unsiege lost MMA the game clearly :D
On September 10 2013 02:00 seoul_kiM wrote: Will Nerchio post something whiny again?
Nah, I had the game won very easily but I simply didn't play well that day. In the back of my head I even knew he will do that yet I simply ignored that tought for whatever reason. On another note, you seem like a sad person!
On September 10 2013 02:00 seoul_kiM wrote: Will Nerchio post something whiny again?
Nah, I had the game won very easily but I simply didn't play well that day. In the back of my head I even knew he will do that yet I simply ignored that tought for whatever reason. On another note, you seem like a sad person!
On September 10 2013 02:00 seoul_kiM wrote: Will Nerchio post something whiny again?
Nah, I had the game won very easily but I simply didn't play well that day. In the back of my head I even knew he will do that yet I simply ignored that tought for whatever reason. On another note, you seem like a sad person!
Nah, I'm not sad. I'm just tired of your tirades after games sometimes. I do think it is useful when you write something that's well thought out and I appreciate that as a pro who's going back and analyzing a win or loss, however, sometimes I think you get your emotions mixed up (which is understandable) and say something that's borderline BM.
SC2L supports five players to go, they don't support six. If we make the finals, we will be sending all six. Three of our players (Ret, TLO, Snute) are already signed up to go, although the support from SC2L will be quite helpful.
On September 10 2013 02:30 tree.hugger wrote: SC2L supports five players to go, they don't support six. If we make the finals, we will be sending all six. Three of our players (Ret, TLO, Snute) are already signed up to go, although the support from SC2L will be quite helpful.
Ah I see, that makes more sense. I didn't know SC2L would accomodate for players getting there, that's cool.
On September 10 2013 02:30 tree.hugger wrote: SC2L supports five players to go, they don't support six. If we make the finals, we will be sending all six. Three of our players (Ret, TLO, Snute) are already signed up to go, although the support from SC2L will be quite helpful.
On September 10 2013 02:30 tree.hugger wrote: SC2L supports five players to go, they don't support six. If we make the finals, we will be sending all six. Three of our players (Ret, TLO, Snute) are already signed up to go, although the support from SC2L will be quite helpful.
Did you just spoil the series?
It's double elimination. He did not spoil anything
On September 10 2013 02:30 tree.hugger wrote: SC2L supports five players to go, they don't support six. If we make the finals, we will be sending all six. Three of our players (Ret, TLO, Snute) are already signed up to go, although the support from SC2L will be quite helpful.
Did you just spoil the series?
I spent five minutes trying to see how you got that impression before I found my mistake.
Nah, I had originally written something about every team and then I revised it to just us and didn't change the tense. I don't actually 100% know how the support works, but given what iNc just said and what I remember from the ATC support debacle (I asked about what the SC2L rules were at the time), this is how it works. I was trying to make the point that SC2L's support will be helpful to every team that makes it.
On September 10 2013 02:32 Crot4le wrote: Innovation versus Zerg is simply unstoppable. There's no way Snute was going to win that, he's no DRG.
I wonder when will we see a smart AND mechanical zerg.
Jaedong? Soulkey?
Jaedong got owned by Polt and Bomber, and I feel like Innovation is a higher level than him.
Innovation has beaten Soulkey a lot of times in the past, although they may have an even record together, but Innovation imo is still the more solid player.
On September 10 2013 02:32 Crot4le wrote: Innovation versus Zerg is simply unstoppable. There's no way Snute was going to win that, he's no DRG.
I wonder when will we see a smart AND mechanical zerg.
Jaedong? Soulkey?
Jaedong got owned by Polt and Bomber, and I feel like Innovation is a higher level than him.
Innovation has beaten Soulkey a lot of times in the past, although they may have an even record together, but Innovation imo is still the more solid player.
Innovation is notably better mechanically than Soulkey imo. While Soulkey certainly has better preparation skills.
On September 10 2013 02:30 tree.hugger wrote: SC2L supports five players to go, they don't support six. If we make the finals, we will be sending all six. Three of our players (Ret, TLO, Snute) are already signed up to go, although the support from SC2L will be quite helpful.
Did you just spoil the series?
I spent five minutes trying to see how you got that impression before I found my mistake.
Nah, I had originally written something about every team and then I revised it to just us and didn't change the tense. I don't actually 100% know how the support works, but given what iNc just said and what I remember from the ATC support debacle (I asked about what the SC2L rules were at the time), this is how it works. I was trying to make the point that SC2L's support will be helpful to every team that makes it.
I think what FatBat was referring to was the 'will' instead of 'would', but don't worry. We all know what you were trying to convey, you haven't spoilt anything. (Although the smart money is on TL and EG to make the finals, so I wouldn't be surprised at all if TL get/have got through).
On September 10 2013 03:23 Larkin wrote: So, Dong beat Taeja this morning and now has a win against Ryung, but lost against Zest, and allowed First to get revenge for WCS.
It's like when the Dong improves one matchup he drastically regresses in another.
On September 10 2013 03:23 Larkin wrote: So, Dong beat Taeja this morning and now has a win against Ryung, but lost against Zest, and allowed First to get revenge for WCS.
It's like when the Dong improves one matchup he drastically regresses in another.
He just swaps JvT and JvP when he tries to focus on other match-up. I am yet to find a player that does not derp in all 3 match-ups.
On September 10 2013 03:23 Larkin wrote: So, Dong beat Taeja this morning and now has a win against Ryung, but lost against Zest, and allowed First to get revenge for WCS.
It's like when the Dong improves one matchup he drastically regresses in another.
He just swaps JvT and JvP when he tries to focus on other match-up. I am yet to find a player that does not derp in all 3 match-ups.
On September 10 2013 03:23 Larkin wrote: So, Dong beat Taeja this morning and now has a win against Ryung, but lost against Zest, and allowed First to get revenge for WCS.
It's like when the Dong improves one matchup he drastically regresses in another.
He just swaps JvT and JvP when he tries to focus on other match-up. I am yet to find a player that does not derp in all 3 match-ups.
Most players have a weakest matchup but with Dong it becomes TOO weak. Like top players would have maybe a 40% win rate in their weakest at the very worst.
Dong would never exhibit such weakness in BW, he was strong enough in every matchup to be capable of winning a final in it.
On September 10 2013 03:23 Larkin wrote: So, Dong beat Taeja this morning and now has a win against Ryung, but lost against Zest, and allowed First to get revenge for WCS.
It's like when the Dong improves one matchup he drastically regresses in another.
He just swaps JvT and JvP when he tries to focus on other match-up. I am yet to find a player that does not derp in all 3 match-ups.
Most players have a weakest matchup but with Dong it becomes TOO weak. Like top players would have maybe a 40% win rate in their weakest at the very worst.
Dong would never exhibit such weakness in BW, he was strong enough in every matchup to be capable of winning a final in it.
Try DRG's ZvZ now.... Or Soulkey's vT (that is his statistically weakest match-up now lol due to hitting Inno all the time, if we do not count his derps at qualifiers).
BW was a game, where insane (that JD surely has) mechanics alone could carry you until the highest level. Combine it with some coach-assistance in preparation and Boom.
On September 10 2013 03:23 Larkin wrote: So, Dong beat Taeja this morning and now has a win against Ryung, but lost against Zest, and allowed First to get revenge for WCS.
It's like when the Dong improves one matchup he drastically regresses in another.
He just swaps JvT and JvP when he tries to focus on other match-up. I am yet to find a player that does not derp in all 3 match-ups.
Most players have a weakest matchup but with Dong it becomes TOO weak. Like top players would have maybe a 40% win rate in their weakest at the very worst.
Dong would never exhibit such weakness in BW, he was strong enough in every matchup to be capable of winning a final in it.
Try DRG's ZvZ now.... Or Soulkey's vT (that is his statistically weakest match-up now lol due to hitting Inno all the time, if we do not count his derps at qualifiers).
BW was a game, where insane (that JD surely has) mechanics alone could carry you until the highest level. Combine it with some coach-assistance in preparation and Boom.
Soulkey's weakest matchup is Innovation, DRG hasn't been near a finals in a long time. It's remarkable to me that Dong was able to ride to 4 finals appearances in a very short succession of time, with one or two matchups being so much stronger than the others.
On September 10 2013 03:23 Larkin wrote: So, Dong beat Taeja this morning and now has a win against Ryung, but lost against Zest, and allowed First to get revenge for WCS.
It's like when the Dong improves one matchup he drastically regresses in another.
He just swaps JvT and JvP when he tries to focus on other match-up. I am yet to find a player that does not derp in all 3 match-ups.
Most players have a weakest matchup but with Dong it becomes TOO weak. Like top players would have maybe a 40% win rate in their weakest at the very worst.
Dong would never exhibit such weakness in BW, he was strong enough in every matchup to be capable of winning a final in it.
Try DRG's ZvZ now.... Or Soulkey's vT (that is his statistically weakest match-up now lol due to hitting Inno all the time, if we do not count his derps at qualifiers).
BW was a game, where insane (that JD surely has) mechanics alone could carry you until the highest level. Combine it with some coach-assistance in preparation and Boom.
Soulkey's weakest matchup is Innovation, DRG hasn't been near a finals in a long time. It's remarkable to me that Dong was able to ride to 4 finals appearances in a very short succession of time, with one or two matchups being so much stronger than the others.
DRG looks pretty strong in ZvP and ZvT, yet he looks lost in ZvZ imo(hell, he would go into Code B, if he got that 3 zerg group in Ro32 and some zerg in Ro48 of Code A). Soulkey's weakest matchup is lack of preparation (and since you cannot really prepare for really good terran and got to outplay him mechanically, he does not really command a high winrate in it, though he can easily stomp most of terrans there are). But yes, JD is like example from Metric system. EDIT: I wonder why Alicia opts for Blink all-ins so often lately :O
On September 10 2013 03:23 Larkin wrote: So, Dong beat Taeja this morning and now has a win against Ryung, but lost against Zest, and allowed First to get revenge for WCS.
It's like when the Dong improves one matchup he drastically regresses in another.
He just swaps JvT and JvP when he tries to focus on other match-up. I am yet to find a player that does not derp in all 3 match-ups.
Most players have a weakest matchup but with Dong it becomes TOO weak. Like top players would have maybe a 40% win rate in their weakest at the very worst.
Dong would never exhibit such weakness in BW, he was strong enough in every matchup to be capable of winning a final in it.
Try DRG's ZvZ now.... Or Soulkey's vT (that is his statistically weakest match-up now lol due to hitting Inno all the time, if we do not count his derps at qualifiers).
BW was a game, where insane (that JD surely has) mechanics alone could carry you until the highest level. Combine it with some coach-assistance in preparation and Boom.
Soulkey's weakest matchup is Innovation, DRG hasn't been near a finals in a long time. It's remarkable to me that Dong was able to ride to 4 finals appearances in a very short succession of time, with one or two matchups being so much stronger than the others.
DRG looks pretty strong in ZvP and ZvT, yet he looks lost in ZvZ imo(hell, he would go into Code B, if he got that 3 zerg group in Ro32 and some zerg in Ro48 of Code A). Soulkey's weakest matchup is lack of preparation (and since you cannot really prepare for really good terran and got to outplay him mechanically, he does not really command a high winrate in it, though he can easily stomp most of terrans there are). But yes, JD is like example from Metric system. EDIT: I wonder why Alicia opts for Blink all-ins so often lately :O
All of the maps he plays on are especially good for blink all-ins.
Just quickly want to say a massive kudos to Incontrol and EG for putting all that they have into the SC2L. Obviously it's not as big as a 'NA Proleague' YET, but to actually stick with this sort of thing, pour your casting and organizing into this week after week regardless of the views, is a great thing to see in the NA SC2 scene.
Please keep up your fantastic casting and dedication, Incontrol! Let's do like the NASL did and grow this thing into a respected and loved NA tournament.
What is this thing with a nice LR thread? No whining, no bashing or "SC2 is dying" yells? And Jazzman88 two posts above me said it all. This is good stuff by EG
EDIT: and no don't listen to the fox song. Just don't.
On September 10 2013 03:23 Larkin wrote: So, Dong beat Taeja this morning and now has a win against Ryung, but lost against Zest, and allowed First to get revenge for WCS.
It's like when the Dong improves one matchup he drastically regresses in another.
On September 10 2013 03:23 Larkin wrote: So, Dong beat Taeja this morning and now has a win against Ryung, but lost against Zest, and allowed First to get revenge for WCS.
It's like when the Dong improves one matchup he drastically regresses in another.
On September 10 2013 03:23 Larkin wrote: So, Dong beat Taeja this morning and now has a win against Ryung, but lost against Zest, and allowed First to get revenge for WCS.
It's like when the Dong improves one matchup he drastically regresses in another.
when did JD lose against Zest and First?
This morning in IEM KR/TW qualifiers. Beat TaeJa 2-0 though
On September 10 2013 03:23 Larkin wrote: So, Dong beat Taeja this morning and now has a win against Ryung, but lost against Zest, and allowed First to get revenge for WCS.
It's like when the Dong improves one matchup he drastically regresses in another.
when did JD lose against Zest and First?
This morning, IEM qualifiers. Lost in WR1 to Zest, beat Taeja 2-0 in LR1, then lost to First 2-0.
On September 10 2013 04:23 Kasaraki wrote: If the guy from the Fox song had actually heard a fox and what it says, I doubt he'd make a cute humorous song about it. Foxes produce hellish sounds.
LOL
They are comedians. listen to stonehenge by the same guys.
On September 10 2013 03:23 Larkin wrote: So, Dong beat Taeja this morning and now has a win against Ryung, but lost against Zest, and allowed First to get revenge for WCS.
It's like when the Dong improves one matchup he drastically regresses in another.
when did JD lose against Zest and First?
This morning, IEM qualifiers. Lost in WR1 to Zest, beat Taeja 2-0 in LR1, then lost to First 2-0.
oh bummer ;/ so he won't be at IEM NY then huh. sucks.
On September 10 2013 03:23 Larkin wrote: So, Dong beat Taeja this morning and now has a win against Ryung, but lost against Zest, and allowed First to get revenge for WCS.
It's like when the Dong improves one matchup he drastically regresses in another.
when did JD lose against Zest and First?
This morning, IEM qualifiers. Lost in WR1 to Zest, beat Taeja 2-0 in LR1, then lost to First 2-0.
oh bummer ;/ so he won't be at IEM NY then huh. sucks.
Sadly. But it's still an extensive qualifying process, top 4 from this qualifier go into an Asia qualifier that only top 2 go to New York from.
I heard the replays are a week old. Wouldn't bother. In a week so much changes, meta-game, balance, patches, form of the players, etc. (-> Jaedongs disaster play today at IEM qualifier)
Seriously, almost every other event is live. Why not this one? Why are all Incontrol events always from old replays? What's so hard casting live?
On September 10 2013 04:49 Caladan wrote: I heard the replays are a week old. Wouldn't bother.
Seriously, almost every other event is live. Why not this one? Why are all Incontrol events always from old replays? What's so hard casting live?
But hf for those, who enjoy it nevertheless...
It's not casting live it's getting the players to play live, replays allow the players to play at more optimal times as they have players playing around the world who are in different timezones.
Well played series by EG. Their more depth players like JYP need to pick up wins like this for them to win. Their sort of best trio of Dong, Alive and Revival/Oz (depending on how confident Oz is) can't do it all.
On September 10 2013 04:49 Caladan wrote: I heard the replays are a week old. Wouldn't bother. In a week so much changes, meta-game, balance, patches, form of the players, etc. (-> Jaedongs disaster play today at IEM qualifier)
Seriously, almost every other event is live. Why not this one? Why are all Incontrol events always from old replays? What's so hard casting live?
But hf for those, who enjoy it nevertheless...
Good job dramatizing the "one week old" aspect when you can watch top level play in a nice time slot for EU.
On September 10 2013 04:52 Mozdk wrote: I know it doesn't belong here, but I don't wanna make a thread for this question:
On Frost LE, if I spawn one place, can my opponent spawn in all the other locations?
On September 10 2013 04:49 Caladan wrote: I heard the replays are a week old. Wouldn't bother. In a week so much changes, meta-game, balance, patches, form of the players, etc. (-> Jaedongs disaster play today at IEM qualifier)
Seriously, almost every other event is live. Why not this one? Why are all Incontrol events always from old replays? What's so hard casting live?
But hf for those, who enjoy it nevertheless...
'cause its SO easy to schedule live teamleagues right?
On September 10 2013 04:49 Caladan wrote: I heard the replays are a week old. Wouldn't bother. In a week so much changes, meta-game, balance, patches, form of the players, etc. (-> Jaedongs disaster play today at IEM qualifier)
Seriously, almost every other event is live. Why not this one? Why are all Incontrol events always from old replays? What's so hard casting live?
But hf for those, who enjoy it nevertheless...
Good job dramatizing the "one week old" aspect when you can watch top level play in a nice time slot for EU.
Second time I saw this push through the rocks on Akilon. Wonder why they do it as they optimize the Terrans Bunker position versus this sort of push. But I can see why it would work on ladder.
Liquid`HerO < Akilon Wastes > EGJaedong Liquid`TLO < Star Station > EGaLive Liquid`TaeJa < Red City > EGOz Liquid`TaeJa < Neo Planet S > EGJaedong Liquid`Zenio < Newkirk Precinct > EGJYP Liquid`Snute < Whirlwind > EGRevivaL Ace-Match: HerO vs aLive
I will have to admit that these are really tough calls. HerO is just a bit favored against JD these days and games like Taeja vs Oz or Snute vs Revival can go either way. Really looking forward to those games. And: GO TLO TLO TLO!
Would love to see TLO beat aLive today but i think that it will come down to if Dario can tech up to his usual Ling/bane/muta composition without getting behind early. If he manages to do that he will have a legit chance.
Really hard to call TL vs EG. No match-up has a clear favorite exept Zenio vs JYP. TLO and Snute are certainly able to take their games and the HerO and TaeJa games look extremly close as well. If it comes to the ace match, I have absolutly no clue who even gets send out.
On September 10 2013 23:02 CrazyBirdman wrote: Really hard to call TL vs EG. No match-up has a clear favorite exept Zenio vs JYP. TLO and Snute are certainly able to take their games and the HerO and TaeJa games look extremly close as well. If it comes to the ace match, I have absolutly no clue who even gets send out.
Expect HerO from TL or Snute if they try to counter an Oz PvP snipe... although HerO is definitely the safer choice. He's been pretty clutch recently.
Did TLO forget that sieged tanks can't move and he could have just walked over to the third and forced a lift without losing 30 roaches to 3 tanks on the high ground?
On September 11 2013 05:46 ptbl wrote: Pure roaches against MMM? I feel like if TLO mixed in some baneling that would have been a lot o better than pure roaches...
Funniest thing that he could actually win a game against Lucifron with this :D
Wow that was idra-esque. Don't think I've ever seen such a fast gg from Taeja. I mean, he was probably going to lose but there was at least a 5-10% chance...
On September 11 2013 06:28 Tamagoshi wrote: Why would Taeja leave the game?? Terran can always come back. Well, forgetting the upgrades are a big mistake, but it is not like the game was lost
40-50 supply down, forgot 2/2 and didnt touch JDs economy at all.
he would have needed nothing short but a miracle to come back
On September 11 2013 06:28 bludragen88 wrote: Wow that was idra-esque. Don't think I've ever seen such a fast gg from Taeja. I mean, he was probably going to lose but there was at least a 5-10% chance...
You havent seen TaeJa vs. Jaedong at IEM qualifiers yesterday.
GGed the second his proxy got scouted (about 1:40 in)
Did TaeJa forget how to split? What on earth was that game? It looked like it was played at 5AM in the morning or something I haven't seen either player play that badly in awhile. I don't think I saw a single split from TaeJa the entire game and he's usually a marine micro god.
On September 11 2013 06:28 bludragen88 wrote: Wow that was idra-esque. Don't think I've ever seen such a fast gg from Taeja. I mean, he was probably going to lose but there was at least a 5-10% chance...
He also left the game really early against Lucifron in the Ace Match vs Mouz in SC2L
On September 11 2013 06:29 pedrlz wrote: taeja didnt played well any of these games, probably he was too tired and just want to rest or something like that (
Those are replaycasts, so thats not applicable I'm afraid
On September 11 2013 06:29 pedrlz wrote: taeja didnt played well any of these games, probably he was too tired and just want to rest or something like that (
Those are replaycasts, so thats not applicable I'm afraid
well, they probably have to play until X date
anyways, doesn't matter, obviously this WB are too weird
On September 11 2013 06:41 Tamagoshi wrote: This game was peculiar hahaha
Zenio was getting better at the end of Proleague. What happened
Proleague ended and he lost in the WCS Challenger League qualifier final match to Xenocider. That would probably make anyone take a break from playing. ;o
Other than that, fun fact - Revival was undefeated in SC2L before that crazy ass 8base vs. 2base game vs. Alicia the other day.
On September 11 2013 06:41 Tamagoshi wrote: This game was peculiar hahaha
Zenio was getting better at the end of Proleague. What happened
Proleague ended and he lost in the WCS Challenger League qualifier final match to Xenocider. That would probably make anyone take a break from playing. ;o
Other than that, fun fact - Revival was undefeated in SC2L before that crazy ass 8base vs. 2base game vs. Alicia the other day.
On September 11 2013 06:41 Tamagoshi wrote: This game was peculiar hahaha
Zenio was getting better at the end of Proleague. What happened
Proleague ended and he lost in the WCS Challenger League qualifier final match to Xenocider. That would probably make anyone take a break from playing. ;o
Other than that, fun fact - Revival was undefeated in SC2L before that crazy ass 8base vs. 2base game vs. Alicia the other day.
8 base vs 2 base? Is it new HerO vs Leenock from Antiga :3?
On September 11 2013 06:41 Tamagoshi wrote: This game was peculiar hahaha
Zenio was getting better at the end of Proleague. What happened
Proleague ended and he lost in the WCS Challenger League qualifier final match to Xenocider. That would probably make anyone take a break from playing. ;o
Other than that, fun fact - Revival was undefeated in SC2L before that crazy ass 8base vs. 2base game vs. Alicia the other day.
8 base vs 2 base? Is it new HerO vs Leenock from Antiga :3?
On September 11 2013 06:41 Tamagoshi wrote: This game was peculiar hahaha
Zenio was getting better at the end of Proleague. What happened
Proleague ended and he lost in the WCS Challenger League qualifier final match to Xenocider. That would probably make anyone take a break from playing. ;o
Other than that, fun fact - Revival was undefeated in SC2L before that crazy ass 8base vs. 2base game vs. Alicia the other day.
8 base vs 2 base? Is it new HerO vs Leenock from Antiga :3?
On September 11 2013 06:41 Tamagoshi wrote: This game was peculiar hahaha
Zenio was getting better at the end of Proleague. What happened
Proleague ended and he lost in the WCS Challenger League qualifier final match to Xenocider. That would probably make anyone take a break from playing. ;o
Other than that, fun fact - Revival was undefeated in SC2L before that crazy ass 8base vs. 2base game vs. Alicia the other day.
8 base vs 2 base? Is it new HerO vs Leenock from Antiga :3?
Not at all, the Protoss that played better than the Zerg for the majority of the game actually won.
On September 11 2013 06:41 Tamagoshi wrote: This game was peculiar hahaha
Zenio was getting better at the end of Proleague. What happened
Proleague ended and he lost in the WCS Challenger League qualifier final match to Xenocider. That would probably make anyone take a break from playing. ;o
Other than that, fun fact - Revival was undefeated in SC2L before that crazy ass 8base vs. 2base game vs. Alicia the other day.
8 base vs 2 base? Is it new HerO vs Leenock from Antiga :3?
Not at all, the Protoss that played better than the Zerg for the majority of the game actually won.
I mean who was at 8 base (and under 8 base i mean 8 bases with extractors that were mined :3).
On September 11 2013 06:41 Tamagoshi wrote: This game was peculiar hahaha
Zenio was getting better at the end of Proleague. What happened
Proleague ended and he lost in the WCS Challenger League qualifier final match to Xenocider. That would probably make anyone take a break from playing. ;o
Other than that, fun fact - Revival was undefeated in SC2L before that crazy ass 8base vs. 2base game vs. Alicia the other day.
8 base vs 2 base? Is it new HerO vs Leenock from Antiga :3?
Not at all, the Protoss that played better than the Zerg for the majority of the game actually won.
I mean who was at 8 base (and under 8 base i mean 8 bases with extractors that were mined :3).
Who do you think was on 8 base? A Protoss or a Zerg? I think it's pretty obvious...
As for a short description, Alicia had a lot of Blink Stalkers and some Immortals/Sentries/a couple Colossi. Revival went for Roach/Hydra and tech switched to Mutas after he lost his army (and denied Alicia from taking a third the entire game). The game turned into a large base race where Alicia defended while destroying 8 bases with Cannons and Photon Overcharge.
I probably messed up the description because I was half asleep watching it. You'll have to see the game yourself.
If you could see a resources lost tab at the end of the game though Alicia would probably have lost less than a fifth the resources Revival lost, though. Sick micro.
The problem is that TL has two top notch players in HerO and Taeja. EG just has JD. Maybe Oz and aLive are anywhere near that level, but i have to admit that Hero should be better....
On September 11 2013 07:12 DarkLordOlli wrote: Would not be surprised to see a crazy all in from Revival. I don't think he'd be very comfortable in a macro game against HerO. I doubt any zerg is
Hmm I guess EG decided to throw in a token foreigner against Acer. I like how TL uses a mix of koreans and foreigners in their team league matches. EG seems to put a heavy emphasis on only having koreans participate.
On September 11 2013 07:45 ptbl wrote: Hmm I guess EG decided to throw in a token foreigner against Acer. I like how TL uses a mix of koreans and foreigners in their team league matches. EG seems to put a heavy emphasis on only having koreans participate.
Xenocider, Suppy, and Demuslim have all played throughout the season
On September 11 2013 07:45 HotGlueGun wrote: Wow Acer is favored here I believe. Revival really blew it for EG
I don't think so, but JD drawing Innovation twice is pretty bad. I think Alive Oz and Revival are all favored in their matches so it should at least go 3-3.
On September 11 2013 07:45 ptbl wrote: Hmm I guess EG decided to throw in a token foreigner against Acer. I like how TL uses a mix of koreans and foreigners in their team league matches. EG seems to put a heavy emphasis on only having koreans participate.
new team league rule, must use at least 1 foreigner lol
On September 11 2013 07:45 ptbl wrote: Hmm I guess EG decided to throw in a token foreigner against Acer. I like how TL uses a mix of koreans and foreigners in their team league matches. EG seems to put a heavy emphasis on only having koreans participate.
Well, to be fair, it is not like TL can use HerO+Taeja more than three times
On September 11 2013 07:45 ptbl wrote: Hmm I guess EG decided to throw in a token foreigner against Acer. I like how TL uses a mix of koreans and foreigners in their team league matches. EG seems to put a heavy emphasis on only having koreans participate.
new team league rule, must use at least 1 foreigner lol
If Axiom wasn't partnered with Grubby they'd be pretty fucked by this rule.
On September 11 2013 07:45 ptbl wrote: Hmm I guess EG decided to throw in a token foreigner against Acer. I like how TL uses a mix of koreans and foreigners in their team league matches. EG seems to put a heavy emphasis on only having koreans participate.
TL only has six members. 50% of their team is foreign. Considering you choose six players, and can only field one player twice, TL mathematically HAS to field foreigners every game.
EG used an all Korean line up only once during the whole regular season. But even then, what's wrong with fielding your best players? Especially in the playoffs
On September 11 2013 07:50 Shellshock wrote: EG used an all Korean line up only once during the whole regular season. But even then, what's wrong with fielding your best players? Especially in the playoffs
I just like teams when they mix it up. Compared to other teams, it just seems EG puts a heavier emphasis using koreans compared to foreigners. Teams like Acer, root, Millenium, complexity, myinsanity, TL, etc seemed to have a good balance of using koreans and foreigners together in team leagues.
On September 11 2013 07:50 Shellshock wrote: EG used an all Korean line up only once during the whole regular season. But even then, what's wrong with fielding your best players? Especially in the playoffs
I just like teams when they mix it up. Compared to other teams, it just seems EG outs a heavier emphasis using koreans compared to foreigners. Teams like Acer, root, Millenium, complexity, myinsanity, TL, etc seemed to have a good balance of using koreans and foreigners together in team leagues.
Well EG doesn't really have any top tier foreigners on their team. Both Demu and Huk is below the top
On September 11 2013 07:50 Shellshock wrote: EG used an all Korean line up only once during the whole regular season. But even then, what's wrong with fielding your best players? Especially in the playoffs
ShellShock, why must you be the voice of reason?
I'm actually pretty unbiased who wins since my tag is because of Scarlett and no one else.
On September 11 2013 07:57 Shellshock wrote: Well there goes my iNcontroL is a robot theory...
Shellshock, you have the technology, you can rebuild him... into a bot like you and do whatever you bots do...
On September 11 2013 07:50 Shellshock wrote: EG used an all Korean line up only once during the whole regular season. But even then, what's wrong with fielding your best players? Especially in the playoffs
I just like teams when they mix it up. Compared to other teams, it just seems EG outs a heavier emphasis using koreans compared to foreigners. Teams like Acer, root, Millenium, complexity, myinsanity, TL, etc seemed to have a good balance of using koreans and foreigners together in team leagues.
Well EG doesn't really have any top tier foreigners on their team. Both Demu and Huk is below the top
Everyone under-estimates Huk but he's pretty good vs other foreigners.
On September 11 2013 07:50 Shellshock wrote: EG used an all Korean line up only once during the whole regular season. But even then, what's wrong with fielding your best players? Especially in the playoffs
I just like teams when they mix it up. Compared to other teams, it just seems EG outs a heavier emphasis using koreans compared to foreigners. Teams like Acer, root, Millenium, complexity, myinsanity, TL, etc seemed to have a good balance of using koreans and foreigners together in team leagues.
Well EG doesn't really have any top tier foreigners on their team. Both Demu and Huk is below the top
Everyone under-estimates Huk but he's pretty good vs other foreigners.
I think huk does better at live event than in team leagues that are played online like this
On September 11 2013 07:50 Shellshock wrote: EG used an all Korean line up only once during the whole regular season. But even then, what's wrong with fielding your best players? Especially in the playoffs
I just like teams when they mix it up. Compared to other teams, it just seems EG outs a heavier emphasis using koreans compared to foreigners. Teams like Acer, root, Millenium, complexity, myinsanity, TL, etc seemed to have a good balance of using koreans and foreigners together in team leagues.
Well EG doesn't really have any top tier foreigners on their team. Both Demu and Huk is below the top
Everyone under-estimates Huk but he's pretty good vs other foreigners.
Yeah but he pretty much doesn't play in team leagues. I agree Huk would likely be a better choice, or maybe Suppy, but Demuslim is not that bad either. Sometimes he performs way above expectation, other times below, and it is not like they had much choice.
On September 11 2013 08:04 Sated wrote: Well, first of all you should deep-fry the chicken... everyone knows that!
EDIT:
iNcontroL, there are two types of coffee drinker: People who actually like coffee and people who would drink anything if you put a boatload of sugar in it.
Is it the scots or the welsh that deep-fry everything at chip shops?
edit : Really when you think of it the travel budget for 2 teams must be around 2.5k * 12 so another 30k on top of the prize money.
Spoiler alert for those who already wished Geoff happy birthday - it's tomorrow in America... Like 8 hours from now where he lives. TL just uses KST (16 hours ahead of him) which is why it says happy birthday on here. lol
On September 11 2013 08:04 Sated wrote: Well, first of all you should deep-fry the chicken... everyone knows that!
EDIT:
iNcontroL, there are two types of coffee drinker: People who actually like coffee and people who would drink anything if you put a boatload of sugar in it.
Is it the scotts or the welsh that deep-fry everything at chip shops?
The Scots. Deepfried chocolate is one of their national pastimes
On September 11 2013 08:08 Elite_ wrote: Spoiler alert for those who already wished Geoff happy birthday - it's tomorrow in America... Like 8 hours from now where he lives. TL just uses KST (16 hours ahead of him) which is why it says happy birthday on here. lol
Everyone should live on KST. It's the StarCraft way.
On September 11 2013 08:04 Sated wrote: Well, first of all you should deep-fry the chicken... everyone knows that!
EDIT:
iNcontroL, there are two types of coffee drinker: People who actually like coffee and people who would drink anything if you put a boatload of sugar in it.
The same kind of apply to chicken. There are two types of chicken eaters: People who actually like chicken and people who would eat anything if you deepfry it (or spray it with mayonnaise).
I agree with Nathanias, a chicken sandwich should be bread, chicken breast, lettuce and if you want to go fancy some slices of tomato and a tiny layer of creme fraiche dressing.
On September 11 2013 08:25 Sated wrote: I don't get why Jaedong attacked into such a heavily fortified position. If he could've gotten to Brood Lords then Innovation wasn't ready for that transition whatsoever!
I guess he attacked cause Innovation caught his infestors out of position
I know, I'm one of his biggest fans and follow him religiously haha. But he didn't play at all in SC2L if my memory serves correctly. It'd be good for EG to have another Protoss to call on and always nice to see him.
I know, I'm one of his biggest fans and follow him religiously haha. But he didn't play at all in SC2L if my memory serves correctly. It'd be good for EG to have another Protoss to call on and always nice to see him.
He was in the line up 1 week but EG won 4-0 so he didn't get to play :/
I know, I'm one of his biggest fans and follow him religiously haha. But he didn't play at all in SC2L if my memory serves correctly. It'd be good for EG to have another Protoss to call on and always nice to see him.
He was in the line up 1 week but EG won 4-0 so he didn't get to play :/
On September 11 2013 08:25 Sated wrote: I don't get why Jaedong attacked into such a heavily fortified position. If he could've gotten to Brood Lords then Innovation wasn't ready for that transition whatsoever!
I guess he attacked cause Innovation caught his infestors out of position
I don't understand why he was even on that side of the map. He had a lead, he had more than enough to crush Innovation if he tried to move across the map. He just had to gather the tech required to stomp through, not attacking with Ling/Bling/Roach/Infestor. Bleh.
On September 11 2013 08:40 Sated wrote: Not lifting a CC... Seriously aLive?
EDIT:
That was legitimately terrible.
I missed the game, what happened?
I only saw the end, but from what I saw it looked like both players attacked at the same time. I came into the game with Alive going for a triple drop while lings/roaches swarmed into his nat/main
On September 11 2013 08:40 Sated wrote: Not lifting a CC... Seriously aLive?
EDIT:
That was legitimately terrible.
I missed the game, what happened?
aLive's 3rd CC died to roaches. Which theoretically should never happen due to lifting. Due to that, aLive was stuck on 2 CCs and would have needed drops or an all in to equalize. But Nerchio's bust hit just when 3 dropships were on the otherside of the map.
On September 11 2013 08:40 Sated wrote: Not lifting a CC... Seriously aLive?
EDIT:
That was legitimately terrible.
I missed the game, what happened?
Nerchio did a big Roach attack that somehow killed aLive's third CC (all he had to do was lift the CC), whilst aLive chose not to make SCVs and so didn't have the economy required to produce the army required to kill Nerchio's Roach/Bling/Ling follow-up.
On September 11 2013 09:01 Larkin wrote: Guess EG lost this game then.
Not necessarily. Oz can beat MMA, and Revival is favored over Paranoid. Demuslim could also be considered to be favored over Bly. Then the ace match is either MMA or Nerchio, both of which are doable for someone like Revival, Oz or aLive.
On September 11 2013 09:01 Larkin wrote: Guess EG lost this game then.
Not necessarily. Oz can beat MMA, and Revival is favored over Paranoid. Demuslim could also be considered to be favored over Bly. Then the ace match is either MMA or Nerchio, both of which are doable for someone like Revival, Oz or aLive.
I eat my words.
I was actually saying that not because I didn't believe Oz couldn't beat MMA, but because InControl was doing a sad "we had a good run" monologue before the match, haha.
Oz winning as expected! EG have a solid chance to to win the next two. Revival should take out Paranoid if he plays like he did against Snute and Demuslim has at least a decent shot versus Bly. Nerchio seems like a likely ace (Acer used him against EG in the regular season) so I'd like to see Oz again. He looks like the most solid non-Jaedong player on the lineup right now and he won the ace match in the regular season.
But I'm worried about Demuslim vs Bly and I'm worried about the ace.
On September 11 2013 09:16 Strela wrote: man MMA I only see you lose all the time lol
You must have tuned into GSTL this morning when he was up 3-0. That's why he tried to proxy hyvaa...
You know, that was pretty scary. If Innovation hadn't taken out hyvaa, it might have turned into a reverse all kill. MMA would have been down, Alicia gone, and Innovation, and it would have been Ryung vs hyvaa, and Ryung is very inconsistent.
On September 11 2013 09:18 Yonnua wrote: Oz winning as expected! EG have a solid chance to to win the next two. Revival should take out Paranoid if he plays like he did against Snute and Demuslim has at least a decent shot versus Bly. Nerchio seems like a likely ace (Acer used him against EG in the regular season) so I'd like to see Oz again. He looks like the most solid non-Jaedong player on the lineup right now and he won the ace match in the regular season.
But I'm worried about Demuslim vs Bly and I'm worried about the ace.
On September 11 2013 09:18 Yonnua wrote: Oz winning as expected! EG have a solid chance to to win the next two. Revival should take out Paranoid if he plays like he did against Snute and Demuslim has at least a decent shot versus Bly. Nerchio seems like a likely ace (Acer used him against EG in the regular season) so I'd like to see Oz again. He looks like the most solid non-Jaedong player on the lineup right now and he won the ace match in the regular season.
But I'm worried about Demuslim vs Bly and I'm worried about the ace.
Hmm, is Oz'sPvZ good?
"I have no right to judge Jaedong's ZvP because I also am terrible in the match-up" - Oz
On September 11 2013 09:18 Yonnua wrote: Oz winning as expected! EG have a solid chance to to win the next two. Revival should take out Paranoid if he plays like he did against Snute and Demuslim has at least a decent shot versus Bly. Nerchio seems like a likely ace (Acer used him against EG in the regular season) so I'd like to see Oz again. He looks like the most solid non-Jaedong player on the lineup right now and he won the ace match in the regular season.
But I'm worried about Demuslim vs Bly and I'm worried about the ace.
Hmm, is Oz'sPvZ good?
"I have no right to judge Jaedong's ZvP because I also am terrible in the match-up" - Oz
He's trying to reverse curse himself because he knows what happens when he says he's good
On September 11 2013 09:18 Yonnua wrote: Oz winning as expected! EG have a solid chance to to win the next two. Revival should take out Paranoid if he plays like he did against Snute and Demuslim has at least a decent shot versus Bly. Nerchio seems like a likely ace (Acer used him against EG in the regular season) so I'd like to see Oz again. He looks like the most solid non-Jaedong player on the lineup right now and he won the ace match in the regular season.
But I'm worried about Demuslim vs Bly and I'm worried about the ace.
Hmm, is Oz'sPvZ good?
"I have no right to judge Jaedong's ZvP because I also am terrible in the match-up" - Oz
He's trying to reverse curse himself because he knows what happens when he says he's good
On September 11 2013 09:18 Yonnua wrote: Oz winning as expected! EG have a solid chance to to win the next two. Revival should take out Paranoid if he plays like he did against Snute and Demuslim has at least a decent shot versus Bly. Nerchio seems like a likely ace (Acer used him against EG in the regular season) so I'd like to see Oz again. He looks like the most solid non-Jaedong player on the lineup right now and he won the ace match in the regular season.
But I'm worried about Demuslim vs Bly and I'm worried about the ace.
Hmm, is Oz'sPvZ good?
Not really but he's pretty clutch when he needs to be. It's always been pretty volatile with peaks like smashing Stephano in the height of his ZvP and taking out lots of top names in HotS, but with massive lows like getting 4-0'd by Revival at IEM Shanghai and losing games to random people.
On September 11 2013 09:18 Yonnua wrote: Oz winning as expected! EG have a solid chance to to win the next two. Revival should take out Paranoid if he plays like he did against Snute and Demuslim has at least a decent shot versus Bly. Nerchio seems like a likely ace (Acer used him against EG in the regular season) so I'd like to see Oz again. He looks like the most solid non-Jaedong player on the lineup right now and he won the ace match in the regular season.
But I'm worried about Demuslim vs Bly and I'm worried about the ace.
Hmm, is Oz'sPvZ good?
"I have no right to judge Jaedong's ZvP because I also am terrible in the match-up" - Oz
He's trying to reverse curse himself because he knows what happens when he says he's good
On September 11 2013 09:18 Yonnua wrote: Oz winning as expected! EG have a solid chance to to win the next two. Revival should take out Paranoid if he plays like he did against Snute and Demuslim has at least a decent shot versus Bly. Nerchio seems like a likely ace (Acer used him against EG in the regular season) so I'd like to see Oz again. He looks like the most solid non-Jaedong player on the lineup right now and he won the ace match in the regular season.
But I'm worried about Demuslim vs Bly and I'm worried about the ace.
Hmm, is Oz'sPvZ good?
"I have no right to judge Jaedong's ZvP because I also am terrible in the match-up" - Oz
He's trying to reverse curse himself because he knows what happens when he says he's good
Is he the "ALL SKILL," guy?
Yep. Good thing own3d is gone and there is no proof that interview ever happened. His PvP win rate has been restored since then
On September 11 2013 09:24 Dodgin wrote: What if I told you I have the interview recorded and saved on my hard drive? Oz's career is in my hands, he's lucky I don't dislike him.
So what, release it when he plays against an IM Toss?
On September 11 2013 09:18 Yonnua wrote: Oz winning as expected! EG have a solid chance to to win the next two. Revival should take out Paranoid if he plays like he did against Snute and Demuslim has at least a decent shot versus Bly. Nerchio seems like a likely ace (Acer used him against EG in the regular season) so I'd like to see Oz again. He looks like the most solid non-Jaedong player on the lineup right now and he won the ace match in the regular season.
But I'm worried about Demuslim vs Bly and I'm worried about the ace.
Hmm, is Oz'sPvZ good?
Not really but he's pretty clutch when he needs to be. It's always been pretty volatile with peaks like smashing Stephano in the height of his ZvP and taking out lots of top names in HotS, but with massive lows like getting 4-0'd by Revival at IEM Shanghai and losing games to random people.
Wow, I remember of him winning against Stephano in his god phase. I was really surprised
On September 11 2013 09:18 Yonnua wrote: Oz winning as expected! EG have a solid chance to to win the next two. Revival should take out Paranoid if he plays like he did against Snute and Demuslim has at least a decent shot versus Bly. Nerchio seems like a likely ace (Acer used him against EG in the regular season) so I'd like to see Oz again. He looks like the most solid non-Jaedong player on the lineup right now and he won the ace match in the regular season.
But I'm worried about Demuslim vs Bly and I'm worried about the ace.
Hmm, is Oz'sPvZ good?
Not really but he's pretty clutch when he needs to be. It's always been pretty volatile with peaks like smashing Stephano in the height of his ZvP and taking out lots of top names in HotS, but with massive lows like getting 4-0'd by Revival at IEM Shanghai and losing games to random people.
Wow, I remember of him winning against Stephano in his god phase. I was really surprised
Dat moment when the Carriers were attacking over the cliff on Cloud Kingdom and DTs sniped all of the infestors. :D Happier times...
On September 11 2013 09:31 Vertigro wrote: one of the most spectacular days of performance for revival! now i remember why he had such a shite record in proleague
He actually had a terrible record in Proleague because he got nervous in the booth... ~_~
On September 11 2013 09:31 Vertigro wrote: one of the most spectacular days of performance for revival! now i remember why he had such a shite record in proleague
He actually had a terrible record in Proleague because he got nervous in the booth... ~_~
Guess he played today's games from the Proleague studios then :D
On September 11 2013 09:31 Vertigro wrote: one of the most spectacular days of performance for revival! now i remember why he had such a shite record in proleague
He actually had a terrible record in Proleague because he got nervous in the booth... ~_~
Guess he played today's games from the Proleague studios then :D
On September 11 2013 09:31 Vertigro wrote: one of the most spectacular days of performance for revival! now i remember why he had such a shite record in proleague
He actually had a terrible record in Proleague because he got nervous in the booth... ~_~
Guess he played today's games from the Proleague studios then :D
It is just that Coach Park's effect is going off
Or he got tired of winning for EG in the SC2L... Going 6-1 in the regular season (6-0 before the final match of the regular season) he probably got bored of winning every game.
I think it could go in Acer's favor if Innovation draws HerO since he should beat him and TL usually relies a lot on wins from TaeJa and HerO. Kind of like when Inno got Soulkey in the proleague finals taking away a big win opportunity from Woongjin. If TL can find out what maps Inno is paying on and either take him down with TaeJa or have Acer "waste" him on lesser players that would have lost to other Acer players and have HerO take out someone like MMA instead, then I think it puts TL in a good spot. Should be a good final though
honestly think Liquid will take it.. if it goes to an ace, taeja will destroy anyone on acer! acer's only hope would be to play inno twice and hope he doesn't draw taeja, pick up the free wins and then manage to pull out 2 more from somewhere before the ace
I mean Liquid already beat acer 4-2 in playoffs and since they came to the finals in the winners bracket and they get to see Acers lineup before picking their own so they should be able to take it.
On September 11 2013 09:46 URLateral wrote: I mean Liquid already beat acer 4-2 in playoffs and since they came to the finals in the winners bracket they get to see Acers lineup before picking their own so they should be able to take it.
I wasn't aware of that perk, that should put this in TL's favor then. They can match innovation vs Taeja twice and put everyone else in their best matchup.
In fact that seems like almost too much of an advantage...
On September 11 2013 09:46 URLateral wrote: I mean Liquid already beat acer 4-2 in playoffs and since they came to the finals in the winners bracket they get to see Acers lineup before picking their own so they should be able to take it.
I wasn't aware of that perk, that should put this in TL's favor then. They can match innovation vs Taeja twice and put everyone else in their best matchup.
In fact that seems like almost too much of an advantage...
On September 11 2013 09:46 URLateral wrote: I mean Liquid already beat acer 4-2 in playoffs and since they came to the finals in the winners bracket they get to see Acers lineup before picking their own so they should be able to take it.
I wasn't aware of that perk, that should put this in TL's favor then. They can match innovation vs Taeja twice and put everyone else in their best matchup.
In fact that seems like almost too much of an advantage...
Would that be the best idea for Liquid though? It would eliminate them from using Taeja as well, and if Innovation wins both 2-0, not only has Liquid lost 2 games, but they also lost Taeja. Might be better to just throw fodder at Innovation and use Taeja and Hero to try to get the 4 wins.
On September 11 2013 09:46 URLateral wrote: I mean Liquid already beat acer 4-2 in playoffs and since they came to the finals in the winners bracket they get to see Acers lineup before picking their own so they should be able to take it.
I wasn't aware of that perk, that should put this in TL's favor then. They can match innovation vs Taeja twice and put everyone else in their best matchup.
In fact that seems like almost too much of an advantage...
Would that be the best idea for Liquid though? It would eliminate them from using Taeja as well, and if Innovation wins both 2-0, not only has Liquid lost 2 games, but they also lost Taeja. Might be better to just throw fodder at Innovation and use Taeja and Hero to try to get the 4 wins.
It depends on if you believe Taeja can 1-1 or better with Innovation, if they don't think he can win(not sure why they would think this considering innovation's recent TvT losses) they can throw fodder zergs at him and do what you said. I think I would be confident in Taeja's ability to take those games though.
There are more options too of course, hard to say what would be best(I think TLO vsT is significantly better than the rest of TL zergs so I put him vs Terran twice but that might be outdated, can't say I follow him that closely to know well enough).
On September 11 2013 09:44 Vertigro wrote: honestly think Liquid will take it.. if it goes to an ace, taeja will destroy anyone on acer! acer's only hope would be to play inno twice and hope he doesn't draw taeja, pick up the free wins and then manage to pull out 2 more from somewhere before the ace
You said it like taeja is much better than innovation which is totally wrong.
Taeja vs INnoVation is a huge gamble for both teams. Super ace vs super ace, and if WCS finals is any indication, they're extremely closely matched (Taeja took out INnoVation 2-1 with an incredibly long and close third game).
On September 11 2013 09:44 Vertigro wrote: honestly think Liquid will take it.. if it goes to an ace, taeja will destroy anyone on acer! acer's only hope would be to play inno twice and hope he doesn't draw taeja, pick up the free wins and then manage to pull out 2 more from somewhere before the ace
You said it like taeja is much better than innovation which is totally wrong.
I don't think that at all I just think that taeja is the superior tvt player.. going on recent form i think its a relatively sound assumption! saying that, its innovation! anything could happen between those two :D
On September 11 2013 09:44 Vertigro wrote: honestly think Liquid will take it.. if it goes to an ace, taeja will destroy anyone on acer! acer's only hope would be to play inno twice and hope he doesn't draw taeja, pick up the free wins and then manage to pull out 2 more from somewhere before the ace
You said it like taeja is much better than innovation which is totally wrong.
I don't think that at all I just think that taeja is the superior tvt player.. going on recent form i think its a relatively sound assumption! saying that, its innovation! anything could happen between those two :D
Polt did take Taeja out in WCS AM and WCS Season Finals....
On September 11 2013 09:46 URLateral wrote: I mean Liquid already beat acer 4-2 in playoffs and since they came to the finals in the winners bracket they get to see Acers lineup before picking their own so they should be able to take it.
I wasn't aware of that perk, that should put this in TL's favor then. They can match innovation vs Taeja twice and put everyone else in their best matchup.
In fact that seems like almost too much of an advantage...
Would that be the best idea for Liquid though? It would eliminate them from using Taeja as well, and if Innovation wins both 2-0, not only has Liquid lost 2 games, but they also lost Taeja. Might be better to just throw fodder at Innovation and use Taeja and Hero to try to get the 4 wins.
It depends on if you believe Taeja can 1-1 or better with Innovation, if they don't think he can win(not sure why they would think this considering innovation's recent TvT losses) they can throw fodder zergs at him and do what you said. I think I would be confident in Taeja's ability to take those games though.
There are more options too of course, hard to say what would be best(I think TLO vsT is significantly better than the rest of TL zergs so I put him vs Terran twice but that might be outdated, can't say I follow him that closely to know well enough).
I think they'll likely give Snute ZvZ as he kind of melts face in that matchup
On September 11 2013 09:44 Vertigro wrote: honestly think Liquid will take it.. if it goes to an ace, taeja will destroy anyone on acer! acer's only hope would be to play inno twice and hope he doesn't draw taeja, pick up the free wins and then manage to pull out 2 more from somewhere before the ace
You said it like taeja is much better than innovation which is totally wrong.
I don't think that at all I just think that taeja is the superior tvt player.. going on recent form i think its a relatively sound assumption! saying that, its innovation! anything could happen between those two :D
Polt did take Taeja out in WCS AM and WCS Season Finals....
Polt didnt make it past ro16 in season 2 finals.....
On September 11 2013 09:46 URLateral wrote: I mean Liquid already beat acer 4-2 in playoffs and since they came to the finals in the winners bracket they get to see Acers lineup before picking their own so they should be able to take it.
I wasn't aware of that perk, that should put this in TL's favor then. They can match innovation vs Taeja twice and put everyone else in their best matchup.
In fact that seems like almost too much of an advantage...
Would that be the best idea for Liquid though? It would eliminate them from using Taeja as well, and if Innovation wins both 2-0, not only has Liquid lost 2 games, but they also lost Taeja. Might be better to just throw fodder at Innovation and use Taeja and Hero to try to get the 4 wins.
It depends on if you believe Taeja can 1-1 or better with Innovation, if they don't think he can win(not sure why they would think this considering innovation's recent TvT losses) they can throw fodder zergs at him and do what you said. I think I would be confident in Taeja's ability to take those games though.
There are more options too of course, hard to say what would be best(I think TLO vsT is significantly better than the rest of TL zergs so I put him vs Terran twice but that might be outdated, can't say I follow him that closely to know well enough).
Is the Acer selecting already set? So no Scarlett? Thats very bad news for acer. In this setup i would match TL up like this:
The thing is sending Teaja or Hero against innovation would be stupid. A win against innovation is has not more value as a win against Paranoid or Bly but on the foreigners Teaja and Hero has something like 80 - 90% winning chance giving Liquid 3 wins that are pretty save. Ret and Snute (or TLO/Zenio) would have nothing to lose against Innovation and could just throw curve balls. If liquid gets out 1-1 after Innovation it would be almost over.
I am not sure about Acer sending Innovation twice. I personally would send MMA twice because he has a shot at Teaja and Hero. Innovation once, Nerchio once and MMA twice the chances are not that bad that this is going to the ace match with Innovation as the last player instead of MMA. But in this setup Acer has more "must win" matchups, Innovation just cant lose, MMA has to win at least once and Nerchio too. Liquid on the other had has the huge advantage of setting up the matchups, Hero and Teaja as very stable players, which both can be the ace depending whos feeling better against MMA and TLO/Snute which are looking pretty good in zvz.
I wouldn't put Taeja against Innovation twice. They're matched pretty even so everything can happen there to be honest and Innovation could very well 2-0 which would screw TL hard. Actually, we'll have to see if Innovation even plays twice or if they want to save him for the ace match and have Nerchio play twice who certainly could take out Taeja at least once. Taeja's TvZ is really the weak link in his game right now.
Wow congratz Acer! Jaedong will be at DH either way so I'm happy with the result. Good to see that the zergs/foreigners are still relevant on team Acer .
WOW I am going to see Liquid play live!!!!! Should I go up to them? Man I am so nervous. The first day they will play 2 group stages and the finals of SC2L. and the second day RO16 onward. They are going to be busy so I appreciate any tips about not disturbing pro-gamers but getting a picture or an autograph.
On September 11 2013 17:12 oneill12 wrote: WOW I am going to see Liquid play live!!!!! Should I go up to them? Man I am so nervous. The first day they will play 2 group stages and the finals of SC2L. and the second day RO16 onward. They are going to be busy so I appreciate any tips about not disturbing pro-gamers but getting a picture or an autograph.
just don't approach them right after the lost a match (which hopefully doesn't happen^^) and not right before a match. Best moment probably is either after one of the group stages or after 2nd match of the group stage when they still have a match to play but are already guaranteed to go through their group.
thanks! obviously I will be careful because I want them to do well and not disturb them but man, talking and seeing them will be like a dream come true. omg
On September 11 2013 23:47 oneill12 wrote: thanks! obviously I will be careful because I want them to do well and not disturb them but man, talking and seeing them will be like a dream come true. omg
EG really needs to improve it's player selection.. they always seem to give bad matchups for their players and the best possible solution for the other team..
It's either really bad luck or just lack of skillz..
I understand they try and play mind games.. but come on? you always lose the map selection wars...
There are no map selection wars. If it is the Proleague format each team chooses what player they want to send out on which map without knowing what the other teams are doing. Then the 2 rosters are put into the match-up. So it's luck mixed with putting your players on maps they are comfortable with mixed with analysis of what the opposing team might be doing based on history etc and not putting your least skilled players first so you don't get led by much.
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