• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 09:40
CEST 15:40
KST 22:40
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 20258Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 20259Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202579RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder1EWC 2025 - Replay Pack2Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced26BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10Weekly Cups (July 14-20): Final Check-up0
StarCraft 2
General
Greatest Players of All Time: 2025 Update Serral wins EWC 2025 EWC 2025 - Replay Pack Power Rank - Esports World Cup 2025 #1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time
Tourneys
TaeJa vs Creator Bo7 SC Evo Showmatch FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event Esports World Cup 2025 $25,000 Streamerzone StarCraft Pro Series announced $5,000 WardiTV Summer Championship 2025
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Afreeca app available on Samsung smart TV [BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced [Update] ShieldBattery: 2025 Redesign
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL20] Non-Korean Championship 4x BSL + 4x China CSL Xiamen International Invitational [CSLPRO] It's CSLAN Season! - Last Chance
Strategy
Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers [G] Mineral Boosting
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok) Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
How many questions are in the Publix survey?
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
UK Politics Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 NBA General Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Ping To Win? Pings And Their…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Eight Anniversary as a TL…
Mizenhauer
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 628 users

[Code S]Ro32 Group F WCS KR GSL Season 3 2013 - Page 96

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 94 95 96 97 Next
Stop balance whining. Do we seriously need a mod note for this? Disappointing.
ssxsilver
Profile Joined June 2007
United States4409 Posts
September 06 2013 22:17 GMT
#1901
Wow DRG! I have to admit his "comeback" definitely snuck up on me. I went back to look over his TLPD game history and holy crap, it's like night and day!
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
September 06 2013 22:18 GMT
#1902
Way to go DRG!
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-06 22:29:41
September 06 2013 22:21 GMT
#1903
Great games. DRG vs Innovation was incredible. The quasi randomness of the widow mine makes the game exciting to watch, but terrible to play. They might want to look at that. There has been a lot of QQ on the Zerg end of things, but when you have to split perfectly or lose your whole army as Terran is that QQ really justified? I'm not sure. Glad to see DRG on his game again and with the Nestea award!

On a semi related note, I don't know what this TvP SCV pull thing will do to the matchup. Do you just die if you don't have enough Storm? Seems like it. Maybe it will just lead to more Templar openings, IDK.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
slowbacontron
Profile Joined October 2012
United States7722 Posts
September 06 2013 22:33 GMT
#1904
On September 07 2013 07:00 CokeFTW wrote:
MVP has always been pretty weak in Group Stages, but who would want to face MVP in a bo5 or bo7

I would, that would be an amazing life experience.
jjakji fan
1raxexpand
Profile Joined July 2012
United States165 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-06 23:04:43
September 06 2013 23:02 GMT
#1905
On September 07 2013 06:16 TommyP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 06:03 Dodgin wrote:
Ok I finished watching the vods, that play by DRG was amazing. It's great to see him performing on this level again, perfect example of form is temporary, class is permanent.

I mean for some guys like MKP, NesTea, MMA I dont see them making a comeback to champion level play + Show Spoiler +
im sorry but I dont think Mvp will ever be close to code s level either. I dont think DRG wouldve lost in that WCS EU group when he was at his absolute lowest, sorry its just my opinion dont hate me
Some guys this is true, some guys its not.


What? Mvp is so far more relevant than DRG is in 2013. He already made that comeback. I mean you can pick the moment when one player plays well and the other plays bad and say things like this, doesn't make it valid.
Mvp-forGG-MKP-Bogus-Ty-MMA-Polt-Taeja-Flash
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
September 06 2013 23:26 GMT
#1906
On September 07 2013 08:02 1raxexpand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 06:16 TommyP wrote:
On September 07 2013 06:03 Dodgin wrote:
Ok I finished watching the vods, that play by DRG was amazing. It's great to see him performing on this level again, perfect example of form is temporary, class is permanent.

I mean for some guys like MKP, NesTea, MMA I dont see them making a comeback to champion level play + Show Spoiler +
im sorry but I dont think Mvp will ever be close to code s level either. I dont think DRG wouldve lost in that WCS EU group when he was at his absolute lowest, sorry its just my opinion dont hate me
Some guys this is true, some guys its not.


What? Mvp is so far more relevant than DRG is in 2013. He already made that comeback. I mean you can pick the moment when one player plays well and the other plays bad and say things like this, doesn't make it valid.

If DRG was in WCS EU.....
#TheOneTrueDong
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
September 06 2013 23:31 GMT
#1907
On September 07 2013 08:26 TommyP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 08:02 1raxexpand wrote:
On September 07 2013 06:16 TommyP wrote:
On September 07 2013 06:03 Dodgin wrote:
Ok I finished watching the vods, that play by DRG was amazing. It's great to see him performing on this level again, perfect example of form is temporary, class is permanent.

I mean for some guys like MKP, NesTea, MMA I dont see them making a comeback to champion level play + Show Spoiler +
im sorry but I dont think Mvp will ever be close to code s level either. I dont think DRG wouldve lost in that WCS EU group when he was at his absolute lowest, sorry its just my opinion dont hate me
Some guys this is true, some guys its not.


What? Mvp is so far more relevant than DRG is in 2013. He already made that comeback. I mean you can pick the moment when one player plays well and the other plays bad and say things like this, doesn't make it valid.

If DRG was in WCS EU.....


He probably wouldn't have won with his form earlier this year tbh. KR to EU is pretty bad with the lag as well.
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
September 06 2013 23:33 GMT
#1908
On September 07 2013 08:26 TommyP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 08:02 1raxexpand wrote:
On September 07 2013 06:16 TommyP wrote:
On September 07 2013 06:03 Dodgin wrote:
Ok I finished watching the vods, that play by DRG was amazing. It's great to see him performing on this level again, perfect example of form is temporary, class is permanent.

I mean for some guys like MKP, NesTea, MMA I dont see them making a comeback to champion level play + Show Spoiler +
im sorry but I dont think Mvp will ever be close to code s level either. I dont think DRG wouldve lost in that WCS EU group when he was at his absolute lowest, sorry its just my opinion dont hate me
Some guys this is true, some guys its not.


What? Mvp is so far more relevant than DRG is in 2013. He already made that comeback. I mean you can pick the moment when one player plays well and the other plays bad and say things like this, doesn't make it valid.

If DRG was in WCS EU.....

Then he never would have won the Nestea award
Moderatorhttp://i.imgur.com/U4xwqmD.png
TL+ Member
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
September 06 2013 23:38 GMT
#1909
On September 07 2013 08:33 Shellshock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 08:26 TommyP wrote:
On September 07 2013 08:02 1raxexpand wrote:
On September 07 2013 06:16 TommyP wrote:
On September 07 2013 06:03 Dodgin wrote:
Ok I finished watching the vods, that play by DRG was amazing. It's great to see him performing on this level again, perfect example of form is temporary, class is permanent.

I mean for some guys like MKP, NesTea, MMA I dont see them making a comeback to champion level play + Show Spoiler +
im sorry but I dont think Mvp will ever be close to code s level either. I dont think DRG wouldve lost in that WCS EU group when he was at his absolute lowest, sorry its just my opinion dont hate me
Some guys this is true, some guys its not.


What? Mvp is so far more relevant than DRG is in 2013. He already made that comeback. I mean you can pick the moment when one player plays well and the other plays bad and say things like this, doesn't make it valid.

If DRG was in WCS EU.....

Then he never would have won the Nestea award

That is true but he might have won WCS EU instead
#TheOneTrueDong
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
September 06 2013 23:46 GMT
#1910
On September 07 2013 08:38 TommyP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 08:33 Shellshock wrote:
On September 07 2013 08:26 TommyP wrote:
On September 07 2013 08:02 1raxexpand wrote:
On September 07 2013 06:16 TommyP wrote:
On September 07 2013 06:03 Dodgin wrote:
Ok I finished watching the vods, that play by DRG was amazing. It's great to see him performing on this level again, perfect example of form is temporary, class is permanent.

I mean for some guys like MKP, NesTea, MMA I dont see them making a comeback to champion level play + Show Spoiler +
im sorry but I dont think Mvp will ever be close to code s level either. I dont think DRG wouldve lost in that WCS EU group when he was at his absolute lowest, sorry its just my opinion dont hate me
Some guys this is true, some guys its not.


What? Mvp is so far more relevant than DRG is in 2013. He already made that comeback. I mean you can pick the moment when one player plays well and the other plays bad and say things like this, doesn't make it valid.

If DRG was in WCS EU.....

Then he never would have won the Nestea award

That is true but he might have won WCS EU instead


Not at his lowest lol. He was terrible. Would've thought hardcore fans would have a better memory than that.
He beat innovation today, but at the height of zerg imbalance on WoL, I remember him being absolutely crushed by innovation with some of the most uninspiring zerg play i've ever seen.And of course there were many many other examples.
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
September 06 2013 23:49 GMT
#1911
On September 07 2013 08:46 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 08:38 TommyP wrote:
On September 07 2013 08:33 Shellshock wrote:
On September 07 2013 08:26 TommyP wrote:
On September 07 2013 08:02 1raxexpand wrote:
On September 07 2013 06:16 TommyP wrote:
On September 07 2013 06:03 Dodgin wrote:
Ok I finished watching the vods, that play by DRG was amazing. It's great to see him performing on this level again, perfect example of form is temporary, class is permanent.

I mean for some guys like MKP, NesTea, MMA I dont see them making a comeback to champion level play + Show Spoiler +
im sorry but I dont think Mvp will ever be close to code s level either. I dont think DRG wouldve lost in that WCS EU group when he was at his absolute lowest, sorry its just my opinion dont hate me
Some guys this is true, some guys its not.


What? Mvp is so far more relevant than DRG is in 2013. He already made that comeback. I mean you can pick the moment when one player plays well and the other plays bad and say things like this, doesn't make it valid.

If DRG was in WCS EU.....

Then he never would have won the Nestea award

That is true but he might have won WCS EU instead


Not at his lowest lol. He was terrible. Would've thought hardcore fans would have a better memory than that.
He beat innovation today, but at the height of zerg imbalance on WoL, I remember him being absolutely crushed by innovation with some of the most uninspiring zerg play i've ever seen.And of course there were many many other examples.

Yeah but a week before he lost to innovation he also beat him.....but we arent even talking about WoL. I'm talking about HotS.
#TheOneTrueDong
Rube_Juice
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada348 Posts
September 06 2013 23:57 GMT
#1912
I just came here to say that I am usually the first one to criticize Tasteless for randomly babbling and not adding a lot to the cast - but I was legitimately really happy with him while watching DRG vs Innovation. Haven't seen the rest of the series yet, but please, PLEASE TASTELESS if you see this, keep casting like you did last night. You do have it in you :D
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
September 06 2013 23:57 GMT
#1913
On September 07 2013 08:46 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 08:38 TommyP wrote:
On September 07 2013 08:33 Shellshock wrote:
On September 07 2013 08:26 TommyP wrote:
On September 07 2013 08:02 1raxexpand wrote:
On September 07 2013 06:16 TommyP wrote:
On September 07 2013 06:03 Dodgin wrote:
Ok I finished watching the vods, that play by DRG was amazing. It's great to see him performing on this level again, perfect example of form is temporary, class is permanent.

I mean for some guys like MKP, NesTea, MMA I dont see them making a comeback to champion level play + Show Spoiler +
im sorry but I dont think Mvp will ever be close to code s level either. I dont think DRG wouldve lost in that WCS EU group when he was at his absolute lowest, sorry its just my opinion dont hate me
Some guys this is true, some guys its not.


What? Mvp is so far more relevant than DRG is in 2013. He already made that comeback. I mean you can pick the moment when one player plays well and the other plays bad and say things like this, doesn't make it valid.

If DRG was in WCS EU.....

Then he never would have won the Nestea award

That is true but he might have won WCS EU instead


Not at his lowest lol. He was terrible. Would've thought hardcore fans would have a better memory than that.
He beat innovation today, but at the height of zerg imbalance on WoL, I remember him being absolutely crushed by innovation with some of the most uninspiring zerg play i've ever seen.And of course there were many many other examples.


Wouldn't go back to WoL, he also took 2nd in Iron Squid around that time. It was post-HotS where he became DongRaeWho
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
September 07 2013 00:01 GMT
#1914
On September 07 2013 06:22 Dodgin wrote:
Of course It's not true for everyone, not sure what you're trying to say here. DRG's lowest point at the start of HotS was really bad too and he made a comeback so I wouldn't write off MKP MMA or Mvp from showing us something cool again in the future. NesTea I agree only because he just got married and his career as a fulltime player is probably coming to an end soon.

And really, most of all you would be a fool to say Mvp cannot come back when he's done so many times before. Just a few months ago he was the only one in the season finals who was able to challenge innovation, he's slumping now and if he puts his mind to it I see no reason he couldn't come back again.


WIth an "injury" like MVPs that is more of a chronic condition, I wouldn't be surprised to learn that he was actually alternating "cool-off" periods with periods of higher-intensity training. I have 3 herniated lumbar discs, and if i wanted to compete in a sports event of some sort I could work myself up to it, but if I wanted to compete in one every month like I used to... yeah, not so much.
I NEED A PHOTOSYNTHESIS! ||| 'airtoss' is an anagram of 'artosis' ||| SANGHOOOOOO ||| "No Korea? No problem. I have internet." -- Stardust
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
September 07 2013 00:30 GMT
#1915
Wow Innovation vs DRG game 1 <3
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-07 00:43:37
September 07 2013 00:42 GMT
#1916
On September 07 2013 05:02 ladysman09 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 04:45 Jer99 wrote:
Just watched the vods of DRG vs innovation, that was incredible by DRG. I think the main difference between him and other zergs is his ability to minimize loses against widow mines, he was always only losing a few banelings and zerglings to widow mines rather than large clumps


Too bad GOM requires a sub to watch it, how good were they?

Not at all, you can watch on twitch archive ! http://www.twitch.tv/wcs_gsl/b/457189492 for DRG Inno game 2 for instance. I think it's a requirement from blizzard that WCS has free HQ vods. The GOM ticket still gives you their super quality tho, which is way higher than twitch's highest.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-07 00:46:51
September 07 2013 00:46 GMT
#1917
Also, replacing the reapers with just 3 or 4 marines was very smart from inno, as everyone makes reapers now zergs will send their overlords left and right and we're back to the overlord hunting game =)
painkilla
Profile Joined June 2013
United States695 Posts
September 07 2013 00:48 GMT
#1918
On September 07 2013 09:42 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2013 05:02 ladysman09 wrote:
On September 07 2013 04:45 Jer99 wrote:
Just watched the vods of DRG vs innovation, that was incredible by DRG. I think the main difference between him and other zergs is his ability to minimize loses against widow mines, he was always only losing a few banelings and zerglings to widow mines rather than large clumps


Too bad GOM requires a sub to watch it, how good were they?

Not at all, you can watch on twitch archive ! http://www.twitch.tv/wcs_gsl/b/457189492 for DRG Inno game 2 for instance. I think it's a requirement from blizzard that WCS has free HQ vods. The GOM ticket still gives you their super quality tho, which is way higher than twitch's highest.


Not arranged in a spoiler free format though, which is unfortunate.
Supernova | TY | Polt | Innovation | forGG | Lucifron | Happy
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
September 07 2013 00:50 GMT
#1919
Well not arranged at all in fact =)
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
September 07 2013 02:20 GMT
#1920
Finished the vods, it was amazing. Someone talked about the maps and it's true that Inno looked clueless on the 3rd map, like he didn't practiced it a lot. But it was great play anyway by DRG, like the old DRG with no slip up in micro, where the observer is DRG is too (and innovation too btw), this is a sign of a player in top form !
Prev 1 94 95 96 97 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Wardi Open
11:00
Mondays #45
WardiTV955
Rex163
CranKy Ducklings117
IntoTheiNu 12
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Harstem 542
Lowko313
Rex 161
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 1596
Bisu 1490
Mini 1245
Barracks 1184
EffOrt 1036
Soma 705
Stork 613
Larva 599
Nal_rA 504
Hyun 423
[ Show more ]
ZerO 328
Snow 287
Killer 227
Mind 189
ToSsGirL 183
Rush 143
Dewaltoss 109
Sharp 74
Movie 57
soO 48
sSak 47
Backho 47
sorry 40
Sea.KH 39
sas.Sziky 36
Noble 32
Free 32
[sc1f]eonzerg 31
Icarus 30
scan(afreeca) 28
yabsab 17
JulyZerg 17
Shinee 16
ajuk12(nOOB) 12
ivOry 5
Terrorterran 4
eros_byul 0
Dota 2
Gorgc5473
qojqva2588
Dendi1394
KheZu598
XcaliburYe298
Counter-Strike
ScreaM1934
olofmeister818
sgares268
flusha23
markeloff3
Other Games
singsing2038
hiko858
B2W.Neo504
crisheroes443
XaKoH 200
oskar173
ZerO(Twitch)17
Organizations
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH182
• StrangeGG 72
• davetesta39
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Migwel
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
StarCraft: Brood War
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 3950
• WagamamaTV549
League of Legends
• Nemesis5321
• Jankos1001
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
20h 21m
WardiTV European League
1d 2h
PiGosaur Monday
1d 10h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
2 days
The PondCast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Korean StarCraft League
4 days
CranKy Ducklings
4 days
Online Event
5 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
5 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

BSL 20 Non-Korean Championship
FEL Cracow 2025
Underdog Cup #2

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
CC Div. A S7
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025
PGL Astana 2025
Asian Champions League '25

Upcoming

BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.