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triforks
Profile Joined November 2010
United States370 Posts
September 05 2013 14:15 GMT
#1161
omg yes jjakji ftw!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ladysman09
Profile Joined June 2013
237 Posts
September 05 2013 14:34 GMT
#1162
Thank god! The more terran the better. Jjakji severely outclassing first. I dont know why people kept saying first is better than jjakji. Yeah first had kinda decent results these past few weeks but Jjakji is a gsl champion. His skill is 20 times better than first and he is at least 5 levels above first. Jjakji is such a good player. This reminds me of when people kept counting out mc. Why would you count out a gsl champion?
xsnac
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Barbados1365 Posts
September 05 2013 14:36 GMT
#1163
On September 05 2013 22:43 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 22:29 Heinsenzerg wrote:
On September 05 2013 22:16 DinoToss wrote:
On September 05 2013 21:55 RifleCow wrote:
If your toss is playing greedy, then an SCV pull is the right choice. People should really look into the games instead of blaming balance all the time. Aggressive cheeses and all-ins happened all the time in BW.


The difference is people can give you a several series in BW that are hands down one of the best games ever played, despite being cheeses / all-ins.

ForGG vs Kal on Tiamat (and few other Kal vs ForGG ones, cough* scouts )is still one of my favorite game, the difference between one is, ForGG prepared the meticilous rax build with ring of turrets to prevent obs scout and faked standard play from the front.

Which ensued into 5-8min battle between marine/tank and reaver/dragoon.

And in case of current flavor of the month in SC2's TvP is "oh i have a timing" *bunch scv*. Which again is being copied by several other pros.

People are just angry at the fact that the current highest level meta is such unelegant play. Which relies on bunching your workers before you opponent does something. There is no much *essence* there, if you bunch those scv into storms you die if you bunch those scv before storm you get enough meatshield to push through.



Post of the month here
solid stuff


But why is this the current meta? It has to do with Protoss players as much as Terran players. Protoss players in the current meta are relying a lot more on the MSC for early defense and dumping their gases into upgrades and both AoEs options. As many have stated, SCVs pulls have existed from 2010. Why is the meta shifting to it now? In WoL, SCV pulls were pretty much denied by just forcefielding and buying time for more colossi to come out. But since protoss no longer need take many sentries to defend that first marine/medivac poke, they simply don't have the sentry count to stale for their AoE. Give First 3-4 more sentries and he holds that easy.

And why do protoss skip sentries. Because if they can get both AoEs out, the gas spent on AoE is more valuable than gas on sentries.


protoss never needed more then 3 sentry in wings . can you please link a game where you saw protoss forcefield a scv pull until he had more " colossus " out ?
1/4 \pi \epsilon_0
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-05 14:41:25
September 05 2013 14:40 GMT
#1164
On September 05 2013 23:34 ladysman09 wrote:
Thank god! The more terran the better. Jjakji severely outclassing first. I dont know why people kept saying first is better than jjakji. Yeah first had kinda decent results these past few weeks but Jjakji is a gsl champion. His skill is 20 times better than first and he is at least 5 levels above first. Jjakji is such a good player. This reminds me of when people kept counting out mc. Why would you count out a gsl champion?

I guess FruitDealer and NesTea are pretty good too, huh? :p

On September 05 2013 23:36 xsnac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 22:43 vthree wrote:
On September 05 2013 22:29 Heinsenzerg wrote:
On September 05 2013 22:16 DinoToss wrote:
On September 05 2013 21:55 RifleCow wrote:
If your toss is playing greedy, then an SCV pull is the right choice. People should really look into the games instead of blaming balance all the time. Aggressive cheeses and all-ins happened all the time in BW.


The difference is people can give you a several series in BW that are hands down one of the best games ever played, despite being cheeses / all-ins.

ForGG vs Kal on Tiamat (and few other Kal vs ForGG ones, cough* scouts )is still one of my favorite game, the difference between one is, ForGG prepared the meticilous rax build with ring of turrets to prevent obs scout and faked standard play from the front.

Which ensued into 5-8min battle between marine/tank and reaver/dragoon.

And in case of current flavor of the month in SC2's TvP is "oh i have a timing" *bunch scv*. Which again is being copied by several other pros.

People are just angry at the fact that the current highest level meta is such unelegant play. Which relies on bunching your workers before you opponent does something. There is no much *essence* there, if you bunch those scv into storms you die if you bunch those scv before storm you get enough meatshield to push through.



Post of the month here
solid stuff


But why is this the current meta? It has to do with Protoss players as much as Terran players. Protoss players in the current meta are relying a lot more on the MSC for early defense and dumping their gases into upgrades and both AoEs options. As many have stated, SCVs pulls have existed from 2010. Why is the meta shifting to it now? In WoL, SCV pulls were pretty much denied by just forcefielding and buying time for more colossi to come out. But since protoss no longer need take many sentries to defend that first marine/medivac poke, they simply don't have the sentry count to stale for their AoE. Give First 3-4 more sentries and he holds that easy.

And why do protoss skip sentries. Because if they can get both AoEs out, the gas spent on AoE is more valuable than gas on sentries.


protoss never needed more then 3 sentry in wings . can you please link a game where you saw protoss forcefield a scv pull until he had more " colossus " out ?

Protoss got more than 3 Sentries a lot in WoL. SCV pulls weren't too common so I guess it'd be hard to find a VOD.
T.O.P
Profile Joined December 2012
469 Posts
September 05 2013 14:44 GMT
#1165
Flash and jjakji!!!!
I'm not the real T.O.P just a fan!
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
September 05 2013 14:46 GMT
#1166
Jumpin' jjakji flash!
I NEED A PHOTOSYNTHESIS! ||| 'airtoss' is an anagram of 'artosis' ||| SANGHOOOOOO ||| "No Korea? No problem. I have internet." -- Stardust
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-05 14:51:12
September 05 2013 14:47 GMT
#1167
On September 05 2013 23:40 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 23:34 ladysman09 wrote:
Thank god! The more terran the better. Jjakji severely outclassing first. I dont know why people kept saying first is better than jjakji. Yeah first had kinda decent results these past few weeks but Jjakji is a gsl champion. His skill is 20 times better than first and he is at least 5 levels above first. Jjakji is such a good player. This reminds me of when people kept counting out mc. Why would you count out a gsl champion?

I guess FruitDealer and NesTea are pretty good too, huh? :p

Lol^^
On September 05 2013 23:40 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 05 2013 23:36 xsnac wrote:
On September 05 2013 22:43 vthree wrote:
On September 05 2013 22:29 Heinsenzerg wrote:
On September 05 2013 22:16 DinoToss wrote:
On September 05 2013 21:55 RifleCow wrote:
If your toss is playing greedy, then an SCV pull is the right choice. People should really look into the games instead of blaming balance all the time. Aggressive cheeses and all-ins happened all the time in BW.


The difference is people can give you a several series in BW that are hands down one of the best games ever played, despite being cheeses / all-ins.

ForGG vs Kal on Tiamat (and few other Kal vs ForGG ones, cough* scouts )is still one of my favorite game, the difference between one is, ForGG prepared the meticilous rax build with ring of turrets to prevent obs scout and faked standard play from the front.

Which ensued into 5-8min battle between marine/tank and reaver/dragoon.

And in case of current flavor of the month in SC2's TvP is "oh i have a timing" *bunch scv*. Which again is being copied by several other pros.

People are just angry at the fact that the current highest level meta is such unelegant play. Which relies on bunching your workers before you opponent does something. There is no much *essence* there, if you bunch those scv into storms you die if you bunch those scv before storm you get enough meatshield to push through.



Post of the month here
solid stuff


But why is this the current meta? It has to do with Protoss players as much as Terran players. Protoss players in the current meta are relying a lot more on the MSC for early defense and dumping their gases into upgrades and both AoEs options. As many have stated, SCVs pulls have existed from 2010. Why is the meta shifting to it now? In WoL, SCV pulls were pretty much denied by just forcefielding and buying time for more colossi to come out. But since protoss no longer need take many sentries to defend that first marine/medivac poke, they simply don't have the sentry count to stale for their AoE. Give First 3-4 more sentries and he holds that easy.

And why do protoss skip sentries. Because if they can get both AoEs out, the gas spent on AoE is more valuable than gas on sentries.


protoss never needed more then 3 sentry in wings . can you please link a game where you saw protoss forcefield a scv pull until he had more " colossus " out ?

Protoss got more than 3 Sentries a lot in WoL. SCV pulls weren't too common so I guess it'd be hard to find a VOD.

The SCV pulls vs P were really common in WoL that's for sure. Well there was a period of time when these pulls were rare but this period was short iirc. I don't think blocking with sentries is THE counter to this, but it is a possibility in some cases. And it was sometimes done by protoss in WoL, when they needed like 15-20sec (with maybe 4-5 sentries).
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
September 05 2013 14:54 GMT
#1168
On September 05 2013 23:06 Ludwigvan wrote:
vods are up! http://www.twitch.tv/wcs_gsl/profile

So now GSL VODs are available too ? I bought a year ticket at GOMTV, not knowing about the new WCS system, nor the fact that streams would be available at a decent quality for free, and now VODs too. It looks more and more like I bought my tickets for not much extra compared to free...
klup
Profile Joined May 2013
France612 Posts
September 05 2013 15:07 GMT
#1169
Terrans have a nice choice between dying to deathball, trying to be TaeJa, or scv pull. I guess 3rd choice is best one :D


this sum up exactly what i think. Taeja is the only player i trust to take a macro game from a top GSL protoss player.

SCV pulls are a very good solution vs protoss until a fix and much better against First that admit it was it achilles knee
ImperialTea
Profile Joined June 2011
France187 Posts
September 05 2013 16:50 GMT
#1170
On September 05 2013 23:34 ladysman09 wrote:
Thank god! The more terran the better. Jjakji severely outclassing first. I dont know why people kept saying first is better than jjakji. Yeah first had kinda decent results these past few weeks but Jjakji is a gsl champion. His skill is 20 times better than first and he is at least 5 levels above first. Jjakji is such a good player. This reminds me of when people kept counting out mc. Why would you count out a gsl champion?

I totally agree that jjakji deserves to go through, but people were right to believe that First is better than Jjakji. Past results deserve a lot of respect, but you can't deny that recently, and until today, First has shown better results and play.
VayneAuthority
Profile Joined October 2012
United States8983 Posts
September 05 2013 17:04 GMT
#1171
geez the age of terran is no joke. Gonna be a lot of TvT in the big matches...better start practicing your rock paper scissors boys.
I come in for the scraps
larse
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
1611 Posts
September 05 2013 20:17 GMT
#1172
Flash Interview after Today's GSL: "My heart hurts when I saw Jangbi retired. Actually I also lost interest in SC2 at one point.

A quick translation of Flash Interview after Today's GSL.

Q: You are worrying about WCS points?

Flash: This is the last chance for the WCS points. My priority now is to get more WCS points. I need to overcome the curse of RO16.

Q: Does Jaedong stimulate you?

Flash: Instead of stimulating, I think JD gave me great support. In the situation of lots of retirement, JD is fighting hard on his own. That's wonderful.

Q: How is your streaming?

Flash: I went to vocation for month, and then I played 4-5 days before streaming. My mood is much better after vocation and I can keep going now. Please forgot my performance. I am kinda unfamiliar with that. There won't be that kind of performance anymore.

Q: Some final thought?

Flash: When I was back from Thailand, I have cleaned up my mood. A few months ago, my mind was in a complicated situation. Jangbi and other skillful players' retirement is really a regretful thing. My heart hurts when I saw the news. Actually I also lost interest in SC2 at one point. But I have stabilized my mind now. To fulfill the promise of my fans, I will keep working hard.

Source: http://www.playsc.com/forum/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=378664&extra=page=1
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
September 05 2013 20:24 GMT
#1173
On September 06 2013 02:04 VayneAuthority wrote:
geez the age of terran is no joke. Gonna be a lot of TvT in the big matches...better start practicing your rock paper scissors boys.

4 Protoss
4 Terran
2 Zerg
so far qualified for Ro16, and another Zerg will go through in Group G.
At best, 3 more Terrans can qualify, 4 more Protoss and 4 more Zerg...
Havik_
Profile Joined November 2011
United States5585 Posts
September 05 2013 21:13 GMT
#1174
Jjakji to the Ro16. Not what I was expecting, but good to see. Tonight is the group of death anyway. haha.
"An opinion is only as good as the evidence that backs it up."- William O'Malley, S.J.
goofyballer
Profile Joined January 2013
United States136 Posts
September 05 2013 21:52 GMT
#1175
I can't believe you guys are giving Tastosis a pass on miscalling First-Hyvaa game 3 and putting all the blame on Legend. Does Artosis not use his own preview computer? Can both of them not see that when Hyvaa gg'd, he had only a 10 supply advantage and (thanks to the new observing interface) was down 20 workers?

The casters aren't slaves to what Legend is showing, they're responsible for understanding what's going on in the game. They completely blew it.
Conut
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada1026 Posts
September 05 2013 22:19 GMT
#1176
On September 05 2013 23:06 Ludwigvan wrote:
vods are up! http://www.twitch.tv/wcs_gsl/profile

NOOOOOOOOO i thought we had to pay for vods ive been missing all the games and spoiling it to myself, god damn, thanks for telling me tho
Sc2 always got your back
malady
Profile Joined November 2010
United States600 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-06 01:09:58
September 06 2013 01:09 GMT
#1177
gogogog flashhh
dumchu
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
September 06 2013 05:31 GMT
#1178
Flash's macro is only rated 85...?
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
September 06 2013 05:44 GMT
#1179
On September 06 2013 14:31 GolemMadness wrote:
Flash's macro is only rated 85...?


hyvaa's cheese is 85.

Those esports journalists are nuts
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Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-06 05:53:00
September 06 2013 05:50 GMT
#1180
Actually surprised Jjakji didn´t 2:0 Flash. He looked so strong previously and Flash so vulnerable. Poor First qq

EDIT: Group of death coming up and no LR, yet? Hype train gonna crash!
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