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On August 30 2013 20:07 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 20:00 Emzeeshady wrote:On August 30 2013 19:53 lichter wrote:
Bbyong is my pick for worst player in Code S but will somehow make it out of his groups this season So hes the Supernova of last season? I can buy that even though Bbyong is better. User was banned for this post. Why was he banned? xD I mean he's really a pain in the ass tonight, but I don't see how this was ban worthy.
look at his post/mod history.
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On August 30 2013 19:50 Prog455 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 19:47 Dodgin wrote:
LOL WHAT HAPPENED
i stopped watching intently because it looked like supernova had it TvP is to Terran what ZvT is to Zerg. It doesn't matter if you have a 30 supply lead because a few mistakes here and there and Widow Mines/Storm will tear your army apart in seconds. Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 19:50 Thrillz wrote:On August 30 2013 19:46 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Hellbats, too late. Since the Hellbat nerf (which something was needed because TvT was ridiculous) Hellbats are surprisingly barely ever used anymore. Same with Infestors. People are way to quick to completely refuse to used a nerfed unit, even if it was borderline OP before nerf.
It's not that those units are bad anymore. It's that they both have the problem that you cannot really include the in a build anymore.
Hellbats are not really worth the extra techlab+blue flame upgrade just to start at 15min to reactor them out.
HotS 75energy Infestors cannot counter marines anymore and you lack the time to get them to 200energy.
In theory you still want them... just not at their previous 10min timings, but rather when you have a lead and can sit on that lead for sometime.
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On August 30 2013 20:08 sAsImre wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 20:07 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On August 30 2013 20:00 Emzeeshady wrote:On August 30 2013 19:53 lichter wrote:
Bbyong is my pick for worst player in Code S but will somehow make it out of his groups this season So hes the Supernova of last season? I can buy that even though Bbyong is better. User was banned for this post. Why was he banned? xD I mean he's really a pain in the ass tonight, but I don't see how this was ban worthy. look at his post/mod history.
You can't see someone's mod history, can you?
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On August 30 2013 19:50 Sea_aeS wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 19:49 Topdoller wrote:On August 30 2013 19:47 Aquila- wrote:
Lol entire army perfectly EMPd, 2 bunkers, Protoss still a moved through everything. Seems legit. Yes it was legit, Dear had better upgrades Thats the point ... He had the same supply, better upgrades and was 2bases vs 3 ......
Supernova's cute harass had a price. Not that cost efficient as Dear was defending decently.
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On August 30 2013 20:02 Die4Ever wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 19:52 vthree wrote:On August 30 2013 19:48 i.of.the.storm wrote:On August 30 2013 19:46 stuchiu wrote:
0-3 always beats 1-1. Yeah, though MSC was pretty lame saving nexuses multiple times for free, if he was not so far behind on upgrades he should have won some of those engagements. He even got off a lot of good EMPs off but without the upgrades you can't compete. I think that is the problem with PvT now (ZvT has its own issues). The MSC is just allowing so much freedom for protoss. They can be aggressive with their army. They can also be defensive and just tech (fast upgrades AND AoE tech). This was very risky in WoL, but with MSC, they are safe from almost all pressure. I think SuperNova would have won that game if he pulled SCVs to attacked the natural. idk about PvT balance, if you saw Taeja vs Rain, dat stomping lol
So Rain losing one series means PvT is fine ?
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On August 30 2013 19:50 Prog455 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 19:47 Dodgin wrote:
LOL WHAT HAPPENED
i stopped watching intently because it looked like supernova had it TvP is to Terran what ZvT is to Zerg. It doesn't matter if you have a 30 supply lead because a few mistakes here and there and Widow Mines/Storm will tear your army apart in seconds. Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 19:50 Thrillz wrote:On August 30 2013 19:46 Ramiz1989 wrote:
Hellbats, too late. Since the Hellbat nerf (which something was needed because TvT was ridiculous) Hellbats are surprisingly barely ever used anymore. Same with Infestors. People are way to quick to completely refuse to used a nerfed unit, even if it was borderline OP before nerf.
Dunno in what reality you live, but I see infestors on a regular basis against protoss and here and there against terran. Hellbats on the other hand, yeah very surprinsingly that a 40% dmg nerf against the priority targets (while it was only broken in TvT) makes a unit become unused.
Very short day, sleept a little longer and missed everything. wtf?
and to TvP: korean Protoss start realizing that Templar first is way superior right now thx to nexus cannon. In WoL it was hard at times to get to the storm tech without taking to much dmg, but these days, protoss can be a) teching greedier and b) has a later (and smaller) timing window of being vulnerable to the stim/medivac pressure. Also it is much harder to hit the transition to colossus than it is to hit the transition to templar, because you just get ghosts anyway, while getting 10 vikings blindly can mean defeat by itself.
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On August 30 2013 20:14 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 20:08 sAsImre wrote:On August 30 2013 20:07 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On August 30 2013 20:00 Emzeeshady wrote:On August 30 2013 19:53 lichter wrote:
Bbyong is my pick for worst player in Code S but will somehow make it out of his groups this season So hes the Supernova of last season? I can buy that even though Bbyong is better. User was banned for this post. Why was he banned? xD I mean he's really a pain in the ass tonight, but I don't see how this was ban worthy. look at his post/mod history. You can't see someone's mod history, can you?
here is a rough list of his moderations
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Wow I feel kinda bad for baiting that out lol
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On August 30 2013 20:17 painkilla wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 20:02 Die4Ever wrote:On August 30 2013 19:52 vthree wrote:On August 30 2013 19:48 i.of.the.storm wrote:On August 30 2013 19:46 stuchiu wrote:
0-3 always beats 1-1. Yeah, though MSC was pretty lame saving nexuses multiple times for free, if he was not so far behind on upgrades he should have won some of those engagements. He even got off a lot of good EMPs off but without the upgrades you can't compete. I think that is the problem with PvT now (ZvT has its own issues). The MSC is just allowing so much freedom for protoss. They can be aggressive with their army. They can also be defensive and just tech (fast upgrades AND AoE tech). This was very risky in WoL, but with MSC, they are safe from almost all pressure. I think SuperNova would have won that game if he pulled SCVs to attacked the natural. idk about PvT balance, if you saw Taeja vs Rain, dat stomping lol So Rain losing one series means PvT is fine ?
It's funny though, I as a protoss player always thought PvT is actually T favourited and don't understand the complaining from the terran players. like if there was any, even the smallest, buff to bio units, T would just roll over the P...
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On August 30 2013 19:52 vthree wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 19:48 i.of.the.storm wrote:On August 30 2013 19:46 stuchiu wrote:
0-3 always beats 1-1. Yeah, though MSC was pretty lame saving nexuses multiple times for free, if he was not so far behind on upgrades he should have won some of those engagements. He even got off a lot of good EMPs off but without the upgrades you can't compete. I think that is the problem with PvT now (ZvT has its own issues). The MSC is just allowing so much freedom for protoss. They can be aggressive with their army. They can also be defensive and just tech (fast upgrades AND AoE tech). This was very risky in WoL, but with MSC, they are safe from almost all pressure. The one thing that the pre-nerf hellbats did was that it forced stalkers out of the protoss. They could defend hellbats just with Nexus canon. The gas spent on stalkers slowed down the upgrades and the AoE tech. I think SuperNova would have won that game if he pulled SCVs to attacked the natural.
Yeah I think the timings vs protoss are still there, just that terran has to commit so much more that it really requires insane decision making like bomber shows.
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On August 30 2013 20:07 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 20:00 Emzeeshady wrote:On August 30 2013 19:53 lichter wrote:
Bbyong is my pick for worst player in Code S but will somehow make it out of his groups this season So hes the Supernova of last season? I can buy that even though Bbyong is better. User was banned for this post. Why was he banned? xD I mean he's really a pain in the ass tonight, but I don't see how this was ban worthy.
Angering the ABL mafia.
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On August 30 2013 20:22 Facultyadjutant wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 19:52 vthree wrote:On August 30 2013 19:48 i.of.the.storm wrote:On August 30 2013 19:46 stuchiu wrote:
0-3 always beats 1-1. Yeah, though MSC was pretty lame saving nexuses multiple times for free, if he was not so far behind on upgrades he should have won some of those engagements. He even got off a lot of good EMPs off but without the upgrades you can't compete. I think that is the problem with PvT now (ZvT has its own issues). The MSC is just allowing so much freedom for protoss. They can be aggressive with their army. They can also be defensive and just tech (fast upgrades AND AoE tech). This was very risky in WoL, but with MSC, they are safe from almost all pressure. The one thing that the pre-nerf hellbats did was that it forced stalkers out of the protoss. They could defend hellbats just with Nexus canon. The gas spent on stalkers slowed down the upgrades and the AoE tech. I think SuperNova would have won that game if he pulled SCVs to attacked the natural. Yeah I think the timings vs protoss are still there, just that terran has to commit so much more that it really requires insane decision making like bomber shows.
So basically SCV pulls which all the Protoss players are calling flukes...
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On August 30 2013 20:20 Ammanas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 20:17 painkilla wrote:On August 30 2013 20:02 Die4Ever wrote:On August 30 2013 19:52 vthree wrote:On August 30 2013 19:48 i.of.the.storm wrote:On August 30 2013 19:46 stuchiu wrote:
0-3 always beats 1-1. Yeah, though MSC was pretty lame saving nexuses multiple times for free, if he was not so far behind on upgrades he should have won some of those engagements. He even got off a lot of good EMPs off but without the upgrades you can't compete. I think that is the problem with PvT now (ZvT has its own issues). The MSC is just allowing so much freedom for protoss. They can be aggressive with their army. They can also be defensive and just tech (fast upgrades AND AoE tech). This was very risky in WoL, but with MSC, they are safe from almost all pressure. I think SuperNova would have won that game if he pulled SCVs to attacked the natural. idk about PvT balance, if you saw Taeja vs Rain, dat stomping lol So Rain losing one series means PvT is fine ? It's funny though, I as a protoss player always thought PvT is actually T favourited and don't understand the complaining from the terran players. like if there was any, even the smallest, buff to bio units, T would just roll over the P...
honestly that explains a lot, people will be biased
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On August 30 2013 20:24 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 20:20 Ammanas wrote:On August 30 2013 20:17 painkilla wrote:On August 30 2013 20:02 Die4Ever wrote:On August 30 2013 19:52 vthree wrote:On August 30 2013 19:48 i.of.the.storm wrote:On August 30 2013 19:46 stuchiu wrote:
0-3 always beats 1-1. Yeah, though MSC was pretty lame saving nexuses multiple times for free, if he was not so far behind on upgrades he should have won some of those engagements. He even got off a lot of good EMPs off but without the upgrades you can't compete. I think that is the problem with PvT now (ZvT has its own issues). The MSC is just allowing so much freedom for protoss. They can be aggressive with their army. They can also be defensive and just tech (fast upgrades AND AoE tech). This was very risky in WoL, but with MSC, they are safe from almost all pressure. I think SuperNova would have won that game if he pulled SCVs to attacked the natural. idk about PvT balance, if you saw Taeja vs Rain, dat stomping lol So Rain losing one series means PvT is fine ? It's funny though, I as a protoss player always thought PvT is actually T favourited and don't understand the complaining from the terran players. like if there was any, even the smallest, buff to bio units, T would just roll over the P... honestly that explains a lot, people will be biased
I haven't played SC2 much in almost 3 years so I am the most unbiased person on TL
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On August 30 2013 20:26 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 20:24 opterown wrote:On August 30 2013 20:20 Ammanas wrote:On August 30 2013 20:17 painkilla wrote:On August 30 2013 20:02 Die4Ever wrote:On August 30 2013 19:52 vthree wrote:On August 30 2013 19:48 i.of.the.storm wrote:On August 30 2013 19:46 stuchiu wrote:
0-3 always beats 1-1. Yeah, though MSC was pretty lame saving nexuses multiple times for free, if he was not so far behind on upgrades he should have won some of those engagements. He even got off a lot of good EMPs off but without the upgrades you can't compete. I think that is the problem with PvT now (ZvT has its own issues). The MSC is just allowing so much freedom for protoss. They can be aggressive with their army. They can also be defensive and just tech (fast upgrades AND AoE tech). This was very risky in WoL, but with MSC, they are safe from almost all pressure. I think SuperNova would have won that game if he pulled SCVs to attacked the natural. idk about PvT balance, if you saw Taeja vs Rain, dat stomping lol So Rain losing one series means PvT is fine ? It's funny though, I as a protoss player always thought PvT is actually T favourited and don't understand the complaining from the terran players. like if there was any, even the smallest, buff to bio units, T would just roll over the P... honestly that explains a lot, people will be biased I haven't played SC2 much in almost 3 years so I am the most unbiased person on TL
Nice, next time you challenge my authority I'll grudgematch you
I'm also totally not biased. Everything HerO loses to is horribly imbalanced though.
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On August 30 2013 20:20 Ammanas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 20:17 painkilla wrote:On August 30 2013 20:02 Die4Ever wrote:On August 30 2013 19:52 vthree wrote:On August 30 2013 19:48 i.of.the.storm wrote:On August 30 2013 19:46 stuchiu wrote:
0-3 always beats 1-1. Yeah, though MSC was pretty lame saving nexuses multiple times for free, if he was not so far behind on upgrades he should have won some of those engagements. He even got off a lot of good EMPs off but without the upgrades you can't compete. I think that is the problem with PvT now (ZvT has its own issues). The MSC is just allowing so much freedom for protoss. They can be aggressive with their army. They can also be defensive and just tech (fast upgrades AND AoE tech). This was very risky in WoL, but with MSC, they are safe from almost all pressure. I think SuperNova would have won that game if he pulled SCVs to attacked the natural. idk about PvT balance, if you saw Taeja vs Rain, dat stomping lol So Rain losing one series means PvT is fine ? It's funny though, I as a protoss player always thought PvT is actually T favourited and don't understand the complaining from the terran players. like if there was any, even the smallest, buff to bio units, T would just roll over the P...
I don't think bio has to be buffed. But maybe make it so Protoss can't upgrade and tech AoE with minimal units. MSC just provides too big of a safety net ATM.
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On August 30 2013 20:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 20:07 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On August 30 2013 20:00 Emzeeshady wrote:On August 30 2013 19:53 lichter wrote:
Bbyong is my pick for worst player in Code S but will somehow make it out of his groups this season So hes the Supernova of last season? I can buy that even though Bbyong is better. User was banned for this post. Why was he banned? xD I mean he's really a pain in the ass tonight, but I don't see how this was ban worthy. Posting history.
I've been through his recent history right now (about 20 last posts), I cannot see anything even temp ban worthy. I assume there is some older history with this guy or there is somthing I don't understand.
I have been banned twice in the past and I know well why it happened but not in this guy's case.
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On August 30 2013 20:26 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 20:24 opterown wrote:On August 30 2013 20:20 Ammanas wrote:On August 30 2013 20:17 painkilla wrote:On August 30 2013 20:02 Die4Ever wrote:On August 30 2013 19:52 vthree wrote:On August 30 2013 19:48 i.of.the.storm wrote:On August 30 2013 19:46 stuchiu wrote:
0-3 always beats 1-1. Yeah, though MSC was pretty lame saving nexuses multiple times for free, if he was not so far behind on upgrades he should have won some of those engagements. He even got off a lot of good EMPs off but without the upgrades you can't compete. I think that is the problem with PvT now (ZvT has its own issues). The MSC is just allowing so much freedom for protoss. They can be aggressive with their army. They can also be defensive and just tech (fast upgrades AND AoE tech). This was very risky in WoL, but with MSC, they are safe from almost all pressure. I think SuperNova would have won that game if he pulled SCVs to attacked the natural. idk about PvT balance, if you saw Taeja vs Rain, dat stomping lol So Rain losing one series means PvT is fine ? It's funny though, I as a protoss player always thought PvT is actually T favourited and don't understand the complaining from the terran players. like if there was any, even the smallest, buff to bio units, T would just roll over the P... honestly that explains a lot, people will be biased I haven't played SC2 much in almost 3 years so I am the most unbiased person on TL
i haven't played sc2 ever hah (ladder)
i've played a few games of like nexus wars + campaign but that's about it rofl
On August 30 2013 20:28 samurai80 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 20:08 DarkLordOlli wrote:On August 30 2013 20:07 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On August 30 2013 20:00 Emzeeshady wrote:On August 30 2013 19:53 lichter wrote:
Bbyong is my pick for worst player in Code S but will somehow make it out of his groups this season So hes the Supernova of last season? I can buy that even though Bbyong is better. User was banned for this post. Why was he banned? xD I mean he's really a pain in the ass tonight, but I don't see how this was ban worthy. Posting history. I've been through his recent history right now (about 20 last posts), I cannot see anything even temp ban worthy. I assume there is some older history with this guy or there is somthing I don't understand. I have been banned twice in the past and I know well why it happened but not in this guy's case.
On August 30 2013 20:18 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 20:14 GolemMadness wrote:On August 30 2013 20:08 sAsImre wrote:On August 30 2013 20:07 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On August 30 2013 20:00 Emzeeshady wrote:On August 30 2013 19:53 lichter wrote:
Bbyong is my pick for worst player in Code S but will somehow make it out of his groups this season So hes the Supernova of last season? I can buy that even though Bbyong is better. User was banned for this post. Why was he banned? xD I mean he's really a pain in the ass tonight, but I don't see how this was ban worthy. look at his post/mod history. You can't see someone's mod history, can you? here is a rough list of his moderations
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On August 30 2013 20:26 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 20:24 opterown wrote:On August 30 2013 20:20 Ammanas wrote:On August 30 2013 20:17 painkilla wrote:On August 30 2013 20:02 Die4Ever wrote:On August 30 2013 19:52 vthree wrote:On August 30 2013 19:48 i.of.the.storm wrote:On August 30 2013 19:46 stuchiu wrote:
0-3 always beats 1-1. Yeah, though MSC was pretty lame saving nexuses multiple times for free, if he was not so far behind on upgrades he should have won some of those engagements. He even got off a lot of good EMPs off but without the upgrades you can't compete. I think that is the problem with PvT now (ZvT has its own issues). The MSC is just allowing so much freedom for protoss. They can be aggressive with their army. They can also be defensive and just tech (fast upgrades AND AoE tech). This was very risky in WoL, but with MSC, they are safe from almost all pressure. I think SuperNova would have won that game if he pulled SCVs to attacked the natural. idk about PvT balance, if you saw Taeja vs Rain, dat stomping lol So Rain losing one series means PvT is fine ? It's funny though, I as a protoss player always thought PvT is actually T favourited and don't understand the complaining from the terran players. like if there was any, even the smallest, buff to bio units, T would just roll over the P... honestly that explains a lot, people will be biased I haven't played SC2 much in almost 3 years so I am the most unbiased person on TL
I've never played SC2 in my life so I am the most unbiased person on TL
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On August 30 2013 20:28 DarkLordOlli wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2013 20:26 lichter wrote:On August 30 2013 20:24 opterown wrote:On August 30 2013 20:20 Ammanas wrote:On August 30 2013 20:17 painkilla wrote:On August 30 2013 20:02 Die4Ever wrote:On August 30 2013 19:52 vthree wrote:On August 30 2013 19:48 i.of.the.storm wrote:On August 30 2013 19:46 stuchiu wrote:
0-3 always beats 1-1. Yeah, though MSC was pretty lame saving nexuses multiple times for free, if he was not so far behind on upgrades he should have won some of those engagements. He even got off a lot of good EMPs off but without the upgrades you can't compete. I think that is the problem with PvT now (ZvT has its own issues). The MSC is just allowing so much freedom for protoss. They can be aggressive with their army. They can also be defensive and just tech (fast upgrades AND AoE tech). This was very risky in WoL, but with MSC, they are safe from almost all pressure. I think SuperNova would have won that game if he pulled SCVs to attacked the natural. idk about PvT balance, if you saw Taeja vs Rain, dat stomping lol So Rain losing one series means PvT is fine ? It's funny though, I as a protoss player always thought PvT is actually T favourited and don't understand the complaining from the terran players. like if there was any, even the smallest, buff to bio units, T would just roll over the P... honestly that explains a lot, people will be biased I haven't played SC2 much in almost 3 years so I am the most unbiased person on TL Nice, next time you challenge my authority I'll grudgematch you I'm also totally not biased. Everything HerO loses to is horribly imbalanced though.
I am the new TL bonjovi now boy
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