★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (16)
59%
★★★ - Good game (8)
30%
★ - Do not watch this game no matter what (2)
7%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
4%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
27 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Soulkey vs. Pigbaby Game 1?
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★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
6%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★ - Do not watch this game no matter what (0)
0%
18 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Soulkey vs. Pigbaby Game 2?
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★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
7%
★ - Do not watch this game no matter what (0)
0%
41 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Soulkey vs. Pigbaby Game 3?
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★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
34 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Swagger vs. PartinG Game 1?
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★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
35%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (3)
18%
★ - Do not watch this game no matter what (2)
12%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
17 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Swagger vs. PartinG Game 2?
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★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (7)
33%
★★★ - Good game (6)
29%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (5)
24%
★ - Do not watch this game no matter what (2)
10%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
5%
21 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Swagger vs. PartinG Game 3?
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★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
4%
★ - Do not watch this game no matter what (1)
4%
27 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?
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★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
13%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (3)
9%
★ - Do not watch this game no matter what (2)
6%
32 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?
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★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
25%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
4 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?
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★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
4 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 1?
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★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
17%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2?
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★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
18%
★★★ - Good game (2)
9%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
5%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
22 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?
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★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
14%
★ - Do not watch this game no matter what (1)
5%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
21 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not watch this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
25%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
8%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not watch this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
20%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (3)
15%
★ - Do not watch this game no matter what (3)
15%
★★★ - Good game (2)
10%
20 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
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Holy crap already? Damn. Guess they gotta move quickly if they want KR, EU, and NA completed in a couple months. Parting and soulkey are the easy favorites, but pvp is volatile enough that any of the protosses could make it out.
On August 28 2013 12:38 digmouse wrote: There will not be a OSL stream this season.
Cue the conspiracy theories
Simple, OGN is leaning more towards LoL since OCL is approaching the finals, second we all know what the viewer numbers was like for the past two seasons. As far as my source suggests GomTV and OGN will not be covering each other's event on piggyback broadcast any more.
On August 28 2013 12:38 digmouse wrote: There will not be a OSL stream this season.
Cue the conspiracy theories
Simple, OGN is leaning more towards LoL since OCL is approaching the finals, second we all know what the viewer numbers was like for the past two seasons. As far as my source suggests GomTV and OGN will not be covering each other's event on piggyback broadcast any more.
Does that mean this season there is simply no English OGN stream while there is still a Korean OGN broadcast, or is there actually no OGN in either language this season?
On August 28 2013 12:38 digmouse wrote: There will not be a OSL stream this season.
Source?
An active Korean translator in the Chinese scene. Actually before the times of Seeker numerous Korean interviews on TL were translated from her Korean translations posted on Chinese websites.
On August 28 2013 13:31 Dodgin wrote: wtf since when does korea conform to the ladder map pool, I'm extremely disappointed.
They got rid of Atlas, they got rid of the beach...AND THEY GOT RID OF (SICK)RED CITY ;/
Yeah I know :/
That's at least something I can commend OGN on, they aren't afraid to get wild with their exclusive maps. At least get Bel'shir and Derelict out of there, they suck.
On August 28 2013 12:38 digmouse wrote: There will not be a OSL stream this season.
Cue the conspiracy theories
Simple, OGN is leaning more towards LoL since OCL is approaching the finals, second we all know what the viewer numbers was like for the past two seasons. As far as my source suggests GomTV and OGN will not be covering each other's event on piggyback broadcast any more.
Does that mean this season there is simply no English OGN stream while there is still a Korean OGN broadcast, or is there actually no OGN in either language this season?
On August 28 2013 12:38 digmouse wrote: There will not be a OSL stream this season.
Cue the conspiracy theories
Simple, OGN is leaning more towards LoL since OCL is approaching the finals, second we all know what the viewer numbers was like for the past two seasons. As far as my source suggests GomTV and OGN will not be covering each other's event on piggyback broadcast any more.
Does that mean this season there is simply no English OGN stream while there is still a Korean OGN broadcast, or is there actually no OGN in either language this season?
No GSL on OGN KR as well.
There goes any progress that sc2 made fanbase wise in Korea this year, Proleague on break for who knows how long if not forever and now no WCS KR on OGN.
Shame I dont know it and will skip GSL to go figure (1)
14%
7 total votes
Your vote: MMLP2?
(Vote): YES (Vote): FUCK YEaAHH (Vote): Shame I dont know it and will skip GSL to go figure
Hopefully that "Bezerk" song isn't an indication on how good the album is going to be because it isn't that great tt
Rick Rubin is kinda hard to listen to imo, but hes as letgit as Dre or Primo, you know that class of producer I suggest you put on a quality earpieces and have the song on loop. The production kinda give me the same vibe as Rock the Bell or 99 Problems Hell, I thought Yeezus disappointed big time but it grows immensely over time
Shame I dont know it and will skip GSL to go figure (1)
14%
7 total votes
Your vote: MMLP2?
(Vote): YES (Vote): FUCK YEaAHH (Vote): Shame I dont know it and will skip GSL to go figure
Hopefully that "Bezerk" song isn't an indication on how good the album is going to be because it isn't that great tt
What you didn't like that? I thought the opening was sick and was close to giving nerd chills Also with the album being produced by Dr Dre and the way Survival was dropped i think this album going put Eminem firmly back on top in the rap game
Wow most people in code s and winning wcs eu + their lol team hit like ro4 or smth in w/e that OGN thing is called. Looking really good for MVP these days.
GOM stream isn't looking much better though right now. not sure what i bought that yearly ticket for considering i can still only access the free stream AND it sucks.
On August 28 2013 18:04 negativedge wrote: anyone if this shit for real isn't on OGN in Korea after a whole one season, then SC2 is really in dire straights over there ;_;
Just tuned in to the tv channel and they are currently broadcasting some lol show.
On August 28 2013 18:04 negativedge wrote: anyone if this shit for real isn't on OGN in Korea after a whole one season, then SC2 is really in dire straights over there ;_;
Just tuned in to the tv channel and they are currently broadcasting some lol show.
According to Doa its the third place match or something
On August 28 2013 12:38 digmouse wrote: There will not be a OSL stream this season.
Cue the conspiracy theories
Simple, OGN is leaning more towards LoL since OCL is approaching the finals, second we all know what the viewer numbers was like for the past two seasons. As far as my source suggests GomTV and OGN will not be covering each other's event on piggyback broadcast any more.
Does that mean this season there is simply no English OGN stream while there is still a Korean OGN broadcast, or is there actually no OGN in either language this season?
No GSL on OGN KR as well.
There goes any progress that sc2 made fanbase wise in Korea this year, Proleague on break for who knows how long if not forever and now no WCS KR on OGN.
sigh.
sad swiv as well,
furthermore i was hoping for monte/chobra/doa again. now i have to settle for tasteless once again -.-
On August 28 2013 18:08 Hider wrote: Is it just me or has Tasteless voice quality improved a bit? Feels a bit more like the old BW Tasteless voice (?).
On August 28 2013 18:10 Laryleprakon wrote: Gom's season ticket so much more than the other regions!
Thats because each organizer can charge w/e the fuck they want to charge. On top of that gom is financing their entire global stream through ticket money, so they obv need more.
What's the fucking point of having ladder maps being the same as WCG maps if they're actually nto the same as can be seen with Yeonseu. Fuck, stick with one version for all 3 regions and ladder for fucking fuck's sake.
On August 28 2013 18:03 Arceus wrote: Im still not accustomed to GSL starting at 18:00 sharp instead of 18:10 o_O
why did they start at 10 past anyway in the first place
They have been like that since October 2010 with like 10 mins of Kpop. I really develop an afternoon schedule revolving around that time mark for like 3 years lol
This build isn't actually that wonky. This is what Naniwa did vs Jaedong on Bel'shir and won with in DH (?). Though, Nani did a lot more damage with his DT's.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (16)
59%
★★★ - Good game (8)
30%
★ - Do not watch this game no matter what (2)
7%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
4%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
27 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Soulkey vs. Pigbaby Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not watch this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (16)
59%
★★★ - Good game (8)
30%
★ - Do not watch this game no matter what (2)
7%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
4%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
27 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Soulkey vs. Pigbaby Game 1?
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On August 28 2013 18:28 Lorch wrote: Ah watching mass vr die like that is such a beautiful thing.
it was barely even mass, it was after a failed dt rush lol
woops nature called shortly after the game started so I literally missed everything between player inroductions and nydus going up, still whenever P goes double stargate vr is just love watching them die.
On August 28 2013 18:28 Lorch wrote: Ah watching mass vr die like that is such a beautiful thing.
it was barely even mass, it was after a failed dt rush lol
woops nature called shortly after the game started so I literally missed everything between player inroductions and nydus going up, still whenever P goes double stargate vr is just love watching them die.
to be fair, even if he did go legit void ray production he still would have just gotten rocked by that attack, it's hydra/queen is ridiculous
On August 28 2013 18:33 Pandemona wrote: This map looks actually awful, also i still have no idea how Blizzard can allow a global tournament to have different map pools! Quite funny
On August 28 2013 18:33 Pandemona wrote: This map looks actually awful, also i still have no idea how Blizzard can allow a global tournament to have different map pools! Quite funny
On August 28 2013 18:33 Pandemona wrote: This map looks actually awful, also i still have no idea how Blizzard can allow a global tournament to have different map pools! Quite funny
The map pool is actually unified....?
Not if EU and AM use the butchered Yeonsu
Yeah, I like the Islands, but Gom should have just used the ladder version.
On August 28 2013 18:33 Pandemona wrote: This map looks actually awful, also i still have no idea how Blizzard can allow a global tournament to have different map pools! Quite funny
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
6%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★ - Do not watch this game no matter what (0)
0%
18 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Soulkey vs. Pigbaby Game 2?
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On August 28 2013 18:33 Pandemona wrote: This map looks actually awful, also i still have no idea how Blizzard can allow a global tournament to have different map pools! Quite funny
The map pool is actually unified....?
Not if EU and AM use the butchered Yeonsu
Yeah, I like the Islands, but Gom should have just used the ladder version.
no they should use the good version, which is not the ladder version
Seems on this map you can't take another 3rd if your nat is canon blocked as basically the next expo is in your opponent's base, zergs will veto this in priority I guess.
On August 28 2013 18:33 Pandemona wrote: This map looks actually awful, also i still have no idea how Blizzard can allow a global tournament to have different map pools! Quite funny
The map pool is actually unified....?
Not if EU and AM use the butchered Yeonsu
Yeah, I like the Islands, but Gom should have just used the ladder version.
For all we know they might have just used google to find a pic of the map and used the first one that popped up withotu checking whether it's the same version, just wait until we actually see the map.
I really like polar night, it reminds me soooooooooooo much of destination from bw x.x
On August 28 2013 18:33 Pandemona wrote: This map looks actually awful, also i still have no idea how Blizzard can allow a global tournament to have different map pools! Quite funny
The map pool is actually unified....?
Not if EU and AM use the butchered Yeonsu
Yeah, I like the Islands, but Gom should have just used the ladder version.
no they should use the good version, which is not the ladder version
Hopefully they change the ladder version to the good version.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
6%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★ - Do not watch this game no matter what (0)
0%
18 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Soulkey vs. Pigbaby Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not watch this game no matter what
On August 28 2013 18:48 KristofferAG wrote: Wait Twitch changed the quality to "High", "Medium" and "Low"?
Yeah they copied YouTube due to the increased resolution you can view. Source quality can be ABOVE 1080p. A well known WoW streamer "Swifty" was streaming Hearthstone beta in 4k Resolution the other day. Twitch has basically finally adapted to the qualities better.
On August 28 2013 18:33 Pandemona wrote: This map looks actually awful, also i still have no idea how Blizzard can allow a global tournament to have different map pools! Quite funny
The map pool is actually unified....?
Not if EU and AM use the butchered Yeonsu
Yeah, I like the Islands, but Gom should have just used the ladder version.
no they should use the good version, which is not the ladder version
No, because this leads to confusion and bad practice regimens. I like the original version with islands more also. But Blizzard has somehow decided not to want islands on ladder, so they changed them. Gom should follow that then for the sake of the unified map pool.
On August 28 2013 18:50 aZealot wrote: Why put two Stargates at your third?
To wall off the cannon so the lings can't get to it.
Stargate wall. Super standard yo.
Yeah, it's crazy, of course. But it makes sense if you're going to be so crazy greedy and get double Stargates rather than get the gates you usually wall off the early third's cannon with.
Why attack then...wait until 3-3 turtle like an old school terran then hit with archons and more storms and he probably wins that ez mode. Instead loses ez mode
Sloppy attack with 1500 minreals banked. With zealots coming in late he still did really well, had he had 10-15 extra zealots present when the attack started I think he wouldve won right there.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
7%
★ - Do not watch this game no matter what (0)
0%
41 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Soulkey vs. Pigbaby Game 3?
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On August 28 2013 18:57 Erik.TheRed wrote: That style of PvZ is fun to watch, unfortunately it doesn't seem as stable as the old fashioned turtle/deathball though
Dare I say, it requires more careful control and positioning?
On August 28 2013 18:56 Tsubbi wrote: pigbaby is plays such a sexy style of protoss, he really shouldve won this game too
He needed 3-3 ground and maybe 1-1 air (maybe 2-2 ground would of been fine) to win straight up on first push. I would of thought he should of turtled for aslong as possible and just win. Archon at 2-2/3-3 are just great vs Hydra/Ling and then Voids just kill everything over charged. Zealots followed up for tanking and it's over.
When he pushed he didn't have the upgrade advantage in his favor and it was literally the right amount to die to mass Hydra.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
7%
★ - Do not watch this game no matter what (0)
0%
41 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Soulkey vs. Pigbaby Game 3?
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On August 28 2013 18:57 Erik.TheRed wrote: That style of PvZ is fun to watch, unfortunately it doesn't seem as stable as the old fashioned turtle/deathball though
Could have worked but pigbaby probably would have had a better chance if he waited for another round of warp ins and controlled the better.
On August 28 2013 18:56 Tsubbi wrote: pigbaby is plays such a sexy style of protoss, he really shouldve won this game too
He needed 3-3 ground and maybe 1-1 air (maybe 2-2 ground would of been fine) to win straight up on first push. I would of thought he should of turtled for aslong as possible and just win. Archon at 2-2/3-3 are just great vs Hydra/Ling and then Voids just kill everything over charged. Zealots followed up for tanking and it's over.
When he pushed he didn't have the upgrade advantage in his favor and it was literally the right amount to die to mass Hydra.
he had a probe lead and all tech available, he couldve just taken the aggressive 4th instead of attacking and win pretty easily form there, but protosses like to attack i know lol
On August 28 2013 18:56 Tsubbi wrote: pigbaby is plays such a sexy style of protoss, he really shouldve won this game too
He needed 3-3 ground and maybe 1-1 air (maybe 2-2 ground would of been fine) to win straight up on first push. I would of thought he should of turtled for aslong as possible and just win. Archon at 2-2/3-3 are just great vs Hydra/Ling and then Voids just kill everything over charged. Zealots followed up for tanking and it's over.
When he pushed he didn't have the upgrade advantage in his favor and it was literally the right amount to die to mass Hydra.
Should of and would of in the same post, are you a native speaker? If so you should be ashamed!!
And I think that, with storms, upgrades don't matter that much. If he just has zealots as a meat shield, his void rays wont die off so easily and he has them for DPS the entire fight.
On August 28 2013 18:57 Erik.TheRed wrote: That style of PvZ is fun to watch, unfortunately it doesn't seem as stable as the old fashioned turtle/deathball though
This is really blowing my mind away. How is perfect makro while harrassing which takes about 20 times more skill to pull off less entertaining than going for some funky a move style that requires your opponnent to mess up? I really fail to see how lots of action = good game, tbh I thought that whirlwind game was pretty bad.
On August 28 2013 18:57 Erik.TheRed wrote: That style of PvZ is fun to watch, unfortunately it doesn't seem as stable as the old fashioned turtle/deathball though
This is really blowing my mind away. How is perfect makro while harrassing which takes about 20 times more skill to pull off less entertaining than going for some funky a move style that requires your opponnent to mess up? I really fail to see how lots of action = good game, tbh I thought that whirlwind game was pretty bad.
Not really sure what you mean by this. But am I correct if your point is that the protoss turtle/deathball style requires 20 times more skill than the style pigbaby just did? Turtle style is probably the easiest one there is in SC2.
On August 28 2013 18:56 Tsubbi wrote: pigbaby is plays such a sexy style of protoss, he really shouldve won this game too
He needed 3-3 ground and maybe 1-1 air (maybe 2-2 ground would of been fine) to win straight up on first push. I would of thought he should of turtled for aslong as possible and just win. Archon at 2-2/3-3 are just great vs Hydra/Ling and then Voids just kill everything over charged. Zealots followed up for tanking and it's over.
When he pushed he didn't have the upgrade advantage in his favor and it was literally the right amount to die to mass Hydra.
Should of and would of in the same post, are you a native speaker? If so you should be ashamed!!
And I think that, with storms, upgrades don't matter that much. If he just has zealots as a meat shield, his void rays wont die off so easily and he has them for DPS the entire fight.
Serious?! Troll man just Troll.
He needed 3-3 ground and maybe 1-1 air (maybe 2-2 ground would of been fine) to win straight up on first push. I would have thought he should have turtled for as long as possible and just win. Archon at 2-2/3-3 are just great vs Hydra/Ling and then Voids just kill everything over charged. Zealots followed up for tanking and it's over.
On August 28 2013 18:57 Erik.TheRed wrote: That style of PvZ is fun to watch, unfortunately it doesn't seem as stable as the old fashioned turtle/deathball though
This is really blowing my mind away. How is perfect makro while harrassing which takes about 20 times more skill to pull off less entertaining than going for some funky a move style that requires your opponnent to mess up? I really fail to see how lots of action = good game, tbh I thought that whirlwind game was pretty bad.
Not really sure what you mean by this. But am I correct if your point is that the protoss turtle/deathball style requires 20 times more skill than the style pigbaby just did? Turtle style is probably the easiest one there is in SC2.
I don't know if your definition of turtle is the retarded shit foreigners do where they just sit there and do nothing till maxd or what rain does which is what I'm talking about. But if you honestly believe that makro while scouting while harrassing is easier than a moving void rays then I don't even know what to say.
On August 28 2013 18:57 Erik.TheRed wrote: That style of PvZ is fun to watch, unfortunately it doesn't seem as stable as the old fashioned turtle/deathball though
This is really blowing my mind away. How is perfect makro while harrassing which takes about 20 times more skill to pull off less entertaining than going for some funky a move style that requires your opponnent to mess up? I really fail to see how lots of action = good game, tbh I thought that whirlwind game was pretty bad.
Not really sure what you mean by this. But am I correct if your point is that the protoss turtle/deathball style requires 20 times more skill than the style pigbaby just did? Turtle style is probably the easiest one there is in SC2.
I don't know if your definition of turtle is the retarded shit foreigners do where they just sit there and do nothing till maxd or what rain does which is what I'm talking about. But if you honestly believe that makro while scouting while harrassing is easier than a moving void rays then I don't even know what to say.
Your definition of turtle is the wrong one. Turtling is just that, sitting in base, defending, and doing nothing. If you macro, scout, harass at the same time, you certainly do not just turtle.
On August 28 2013 19:15 Jer99 wrote: Can anyone quickly recap how the first match went?
Pigbaby used some nice strats. But got scouted and denied in G1, G2 worked out for him. G3 almost worked out for him.
G1: DT (scouted) into double stargate and fast third was busted with Queen/Hydra/Porxy Nydus by Soulkey G2: Succesful cannon rush of the nat, Pigbaby had macro advantage and capitalized with a blink stalker/immortal/sentry attack which worked out well vs pure hydra G3: Muta/hydra took out Voidray/zealot with a few phoenix. Soulkey finished it off with hydra/roach
On August 28 2013 18:57 Erik.TheRed wrote: That style of PvZ is fun to watch, unfortunately it doesn't seem as stable as the old fashioned turtle/deathball though
This is really blowing my mind away. How is perfect makro while harrassing which takes about 20 times more skill to pull off less entertaining than going for some funky a move style that requires your opponnent to mess up? I really fail to see how lots of action = good game, tbh I thought that whirlwind game was pretty bad.
Not really sure what you mean by this. But am I correct if your point is that the protoss turtle/deathball style requires 20 times more skill than the style pigbaby just did? Turtle style is probably the easiest one there is in SC2.
I don't know if your definition of turtle is the retarded shit foreigners do where they just sit there and do nothing till maxd or what rain does which is what I'm talking about. But if you honestly believe that makro while scouting while harrassing is easier than a moving void rays then I don't even know what to say.
Your definition of turtle is the wrong one. Turtling is just that, sitting in base, defending, and doing nothing. If you macro, scout, harass at the same time, you certainly do not just turtle.
Well imo it's still turtling as you never really move out with your army except for some pooking, and I figured your definition was so insanely bad to play anyways that since that shouldn't even be viable there is no need to even have a word for that.
But I guess my starcraft brain just uses things differently here...
On August 28 2013 18:57 Erik.TheRed wrote: That style of PvZ is fun to watch, unfortunately it doesn't seem as stable as the old fashioned turtle/deathball though
This is really blowing my mind away. How is perfect makro while harrassing which takes about 20 times more skill to pull off less entertaining than going for some funky a move style that requires your opponnent to mess up? I really fail to see how lots of action = good game, tbh I thought that whirlwind game was pretty bad.
Not really sure what you mean by this. But am I correct if your point is that the protoss turtle/deathball style requires 20 times more skill than the style pigbaby just did? Turtle style is probably the easiest one there is in SC2.
I don't know if your definition of turtle is the retarded shit foreigners do where they just sit there and do nothing till maxd or what rain does which is what I'm talking about. But if you honestly believe that makro while scouting while harrassing is easier than a moving void rays then I don't even know what to say.
Do you even know what turtling means? It means exactly that; sit there and do nothing until max. If you are harassing all the time and poking here and there, you are not turtling.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
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Your vote: Recommend Swagger vs. PartinG Game 1?
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On August 28 2013 19:27 blooblooblahblah wrote: The first half of that game was really well played by Swagger. After that it was a little sloppy, but his immortal count really helped.
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★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (6)
35%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (3)
18%
★ - Do not watch this game no matter what (2)
12%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
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Your vote: Recommend Swagger vs. PartinG Game 2?
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On August 28 2013 19:27 blooblooblahblah wrote: The first half of that game was really well played by Swagger. After that it was a little sloppy, but his immortal count really helped.
On August 28 2013 19:27 blooblooblahblah wrote: The first half of that game was really well played by Swagger. After that it was a little sloppy, but his immortal count really helped.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (7)
33%
★★★ - Good game (6)
29%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (5)
24%
★ - Do not watch this game no matter what (2)
10%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (1)
5%
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Your vote: Recommend Swagger vs. PartinG Game 3?
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Damn, zoo zoo bubble comerical was obnoxious after a while but this zombie game is really going to take the cake if it rolls for long enough. At least zoo zoo was short and had a sort of a catchy tune.
On August 28 2013 19:49 Destructicon wrote: Damn, zoo zoo bubble comerical was obnoxious after a while but this zombie game is really going to take the cake if it rolls for long enough. At least zoo zoo was short and had a sort of a catchy tune.
On August 28 2013 19:55 Grubby wrote: Does the "0" in match score for the GSL score screen look like an inverted color "1" to anyone? Haha, keep getting confused.
Alright, sick match inc. =D Hopefully PartinG has learned how to play Zerg.
On August 28 2013 19:55 Grubby wrote: Does the "0" in match score for the GSL score screen look like an inverted color "1" to anyone? Haha, keep getting confused.
Oh, so I'm not just hallucinating late at night haha.
Ok I see a small problem in PartinG's build, he won't have AOE for a very long time and could die to a very aggressive timing. Of course he knows no such timing is going to hit him because of the early scouting he got, he also forced enough drones that any timing that could kill his 3rd is now delayed until he can get Colossus.
well played soulkey! even though if I had just listened to the cast I would probably thought Parting was outplaying SK so hard they werent even in the same league
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★ - Do not watch this game no matter what (1)
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27 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?
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Man i don't even know xD I thought that was perfect game then from Parting but clearly wasn't. Harrased Zerg 3rd, killed drones for free. Killed the 4th, had 3 bases from same time as the Zerg. Yet had 0 army when zerg just went mass roach hydra. Madness! Guess was just perfect injects and macro from Soulkey providing him with the perfect timing?
On August 28 2013 20:12 Arco wrote: Gateway units are trash, too bad Protoss has to depend on uninteresting and one dimensional units like the Colossus.
On August 28 2013 20:12 Fjodorov wrote: well played soulkey! even though if I had just listened to the cast I would probably thought Parting was outplaying SK so hard they werent even in the same league
Haha yeah, was pretty weird how they were hyping Parting's play.
On August 28 2013 20:12 Pandemona wrote: Man i don't even know xD I thought that was perfect game then from Parting but clearly wasn't. Harrased Zerg 3rd, killed drones for free. Killed the 4th, had 3 bases from same time as the Zerg. Yet had 0 army when zerg just went mass roach hydra. Madness! Guess was just perfect injects and macro from Soulkey providing him with the perfect timing?
Yeah, 140 vs 95 army size at the main engagement + Blinding Cloud making so many Stalkers melee units.
On August 28 2013 20:12 Pandemona wrote: Man i don't even know xD I thought that was perfect game then from Parting but clearly wasn't. Harrased Zerg 3rd, killed drones for free. Killed the 4th, had 3 bases from same time as the Zerg. Yet had 0 army when zerg just went mass roach hydra. Madness! Guess was just perfect injects and macro from Soulkey providing him with the perfect timing?
Perfect macro/injects + quick hive and vipers, and PartinG was stuck with a giant gateway army + 2 collosi. ;/
Parting opened perfectly but i wish he had teched quicker. Soulkey's timing was absolutely perfect considering the terrible position he was in though. A high lvl game from both players.
On August 28 2013 20:13 bo1b wrote: In what stage of the game was soulkey behind?
Economically when he couldn't make a 4th and 'toss had been on 3 base for the same time zerg been on 3 base for. Then mega behind economically when Parting's 4th came up and the 3rd 4th got killed of Soulkeys
On August 28 2013 20:11 mrtomjones wrote: I hate vipers. Why build a colossus ever with them out -_-
Thats the beauty of it, they allow for great zerg micro while making the most powerful a move unit in the game useless, best hots addition imo.
Not sure what's great micro about abducting things
I do like vipers though. Parting just took too long to build a good army. People always forget that his PvZ isn't really good. It seems good but it's not all that good.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
4%
★ - Do not watch this game no matter what (1)
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Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 1?
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And thanks for Artosis, may the balance whine commence..."PartinG done everything perfect, still lose, my god"
Guys, do not listen to the bias, although I like Tastosis, they're a bit overdoing it, Artosis with protoss bias and Tasteless with "best game, best terran, best RTS player"...If he thinks SC2 is the best game ever designed, why doesn't he play some?
On August 28 2013 20:11 mrtomjones wrote: I hate vipers. Why build a colossus ever with them out -_-
Thats the beauty of it, they allow for great zerg micro while making the most powerful a move unit in the game useless, best hots addition imo.
Not sure what's great micro about abducting things
I do like vipers though. Parting just took too long to build a good army. People always forget that his PvZ isn't really good. It seems good but it's not all that good.
He drops pretty forcefields and does all kinds of crazy good moves, but his follow ups aren't very strong. Lacked tech pretty badly that game.
On August 28 2013 20:15 Abominous wrote: And thanks for Artosis, may the balance whine commence..."PartinG done everything perfect, still lose, my god"
Guys, do not listen to the bias, although I like Tastosis, they're a bit overdoing it, Artosis with protoss bias and Tasteless with "best game, best terran, best RTS player"...If he thinks SC2 is the best game ever designed, why doesn't he play some?
Lots of people here probably think sc2 is the best game ever and don't play.
On August 28 2013 20:12 Arco wrote: Gateway units are trash, too bad Protoss has to depend on uninteresting and one dimensional units like the Colossus.
Parting played really well but all his attacking and harassing should have been to stall Soulkey so he can get out higher tech units D: He had like.. two colossus? when Soulkey attacked, would have been better off going into storm/archon/immortal. Colossus are just fodder when you don't have enough HT to zone vipers. Also low count colossus is terrible ;x
On August 28 2013 20:13 bo1b wrote: In what stage of the game was soulkey behind?
Economically when he couldn't make a 4th and 'toss had been on 3 base for the same time zerg been on 3 base for. Then mega behind economically when Parting's 4th came up and the 3rd 4th got killed of Soulkeys
But the game was never going to be economical. Soulkey traded some of partings units for a hatch he never mined from, then pushed against a massively inferior army in both tech and size.
I for one think its pretty cool seeing a protoss lose to a zerg with less bases. It's a nice turn of events tbh.
On August 28 2013 20:13 bo1b wrote: In what stage of the game was soulkey behind?
Economically when he couldn't make a 4th and 'toss had been on 3 base for the same time zerg been on 3 base for. Then mega behind economically when Parting's 4th came up and the 3rd 4th got killed of Soulkeys
3 base saturated is actually the best saturation in terms of minerals and doesn't really get any better / more profitable (long blog posted by LaLush a long time ago) so... its completely irrelevant in terms of minerals and since he played roach/hydra, he didn't really need 8 gas for his push.
On August 28 2013 20:11 mrtomjones wrote: I hate vipers. Why build a colossus ever with them out -_-
Thats the beauty of it, they allow for great zerg micro while making the most powerful a move unit in the game useless, best hots addition imo.
Not sure what's great micro about abducting things
I do like vipers though. Parting just took too long to build a good army. People always forget that his PvZ isn't really good. It seems good but it's not all that good.
Well when the rest of the army consists of two ranged units that don't offer much micro besides some kiting and spreading I think adding a spellcaster will always add to the micro of that race, not saying abducting is hard, binding clouding perfectly is though and you have to be really careful vs blinkers and templar.
On August 28 2013 20:15 Abominous wrote: And thanks for Artosis, may the balance whine commence..."PartinG done everything perfect, still lose, my god"
Guys, do not listen to the bias, although I like Tastosis, they're a bit overdoing it, Artosis with protoss bias and Tasteless with "best game, best terran, best RTS player"...If he thinks SC2 is the best game ever designed, why doesn't he play some?
So you know for sure he doesn't play? And also, SC2 is very much different from playing yourself to watching it.
On August 28 2013 20:17 Keeemy wrote: I fail to understand why some people think Parting played better than Soulkey...
because soulkey won that game after he threw away a huge b.o advantage in the early game and committed to a shitton of units in the middgame without doing any damage (even before he saturated his bases) AND he also lost his 4th. but then he just decided to make 3 vipers and a-move with a roach/hyd army.. its such a fucking low skill capped/highly cost efficient army. so fucking dumb
On August 28 2013 20:17 Keeemy wrote: I fail to understand why some people think Parting played better than Soulkey...
because soulkey won that game after he threw away a huge b.o advantage in the early game and committed to a shitton of units in the middgame without doing any damage (even before even saturated his bases) AND he also lost his 4th. but then he just decided to make 3 vipers and a-move with a roach/hyd army.. its such a fucking low skill capped/highly cost efficient army. so fucking dumb
he made so many mistakes, didnt deserve the win
You have got to be shitting me. Whoever wins the game deserves it, because guess what thats why he won. Some random foreigner 6 pooling flash and winning would mean he deserved to win. This hole bs about honorable way of playing and deserving and w/e really needs to be removed from our community. Every win is a deserved win, every way of playing the game is equally honorable. Bitching about the game and players who are better than you, while being an ex hacker is actually a situation where you don't deserve a lot of things.
On August 28 2013 20:17 Keeemy wrote: I fail to understand why some people think Parting played better than Soulkey...
because soulkey won that game after he threw away a huge b.o advantage in the early game and committed to a shitton of units in the middgame without doing any damage (even before he saturated his bases) AND he also lost his 4th. but then he just decided to make 3 vipers and a-move with a roach/hyd army.. its such a fucking low skill capped/highly cost efficient army. so fucking dumb
he made so many mistakes, didnt deserve the win
LOL. Be more mad. I can't even tell if you're serious or not.
Huh vray charge doesnt matter against mutas, only against armoured right? (tasteless saying that if vray charge the mutas could just fall back cause they faster) Oh nvm, others already posted i see now.
On August 28 2013 20:17 Keeemy wrote: I fail to understand why some people think Parting played better than Soulkey...
because soulkey won that game after he threw away a huge b.o advantage in the early game and committed to a shitton of units in the middgame without doing any damage (even before even saturated his bases) AND he also lost his 4th. but then he just decided to make 3 vipers and a-move with a roach/hyd army.. its such a fucking low skill capped/highly cost efficient army. so fucking dumb
he made so many mistakes, didnt deserve the win
You have got to be shitting me. Whoever wins the game deserves it, because guess what thats why he won. Some random foreigner 6 pooling flash and winning would mean he deserved to win. This hole bs about honorable way of playing and deserving and w/e really needs to be removed from our community. Every win is a deserved win, every way of playing the game is equally honorable. Bitching about the game and players who are better than you, while being an ex hacker is actually a situation where you don't deserve a lot of things.
You don't have to argue with him, he became irrelevant ages ago :D
On August 28 2013 20:17 Keeemy wrote: I fail to understand why some people think Parting played better than Soulkey...
because soulkey won that game after he threw away a huge b.o advantage in the early game and committed to a shitton of units in the middgame without doing any damage (even before even saturated his bases) AND he also lost his 4th. but then he just decided to make 3 vipers and a-move with a roach/hyd army.. its such a fucking low skill capped/highly cost efficient army. so fucking dumb
he made so many mistakes, didnt deserve the win
You have got to be shitting me. Whoever wins the game deserves it, because guess what thats why he won. Some random foreigner 6 pooling flash and winning would mean he deserved to win. This hole bs about honorable way of playing and deserving and w/e really needs to be removed from our community. Every win is a deserved win, every way of playing the game is equally honorable. Bitching about the game and players who are better than you, while being an ex hacker is actually a situation where you don't deserve a lot of things.
You don't have to argue with him, he became irrelevant ages ago :D
You can still be polite though.
Disagree all you want with them but being a dick with someone because they're no longer a pro or whatever is still being a dick.
On August 28 2013 20:25 Rassy wrote: Huh vray charge doesnt matter against mutas, only against armoured right? (tasteless saying that if vray charge the mutas could just fall back cause they faster) Oh nvm, others already posted i see now.
Tasteless doesn't know what he's talking about. He doesn't play or watch sc2 so it's understandable.
On August 28 2013 20:17 Keeemy wrote: I fail to understand why some people think Parting played better than Soulkey...
because soulkey won that game after he threw away a huge b.o advantage in the early game and committed to a shitton of units in the middgame without doing any damage (even before even saturated his bases) AND he also lost his 4th. but then he just decided to make 3 vipers and a-move with a roach/hyd army.. its such a fucking low skill capped/highly cost efficient army. so fucking dumb
he made so many mistakes, didnt deserve the win
You have got to be shitting me. Whoever wins the game deserves it, because guess what thats why he won. Some random foreigner 6 pooling flash and winning would mean he deserved to win. This hole bs about honorable way of playing and deserving and w/e really needs to be removed from our community. Every win is a deserved win, every way of playing the game is equally honorable. Bitching about the game and players who are better than you, while being an ex hacker is actually a situation where you don't deserve a lot of things.
You don't have to argue with him, he became irrelevant ages ago :D
You can still be polite though.
Disagree all you want with them but being a dick with someone because they're no longer a pro or whatever is still being a dick.
On August 28 2013 20:17 Keeemy wrote: I fail to understand why some people think Parting played better than Soulkey...
because soulkey won that game after he threw away a huge b.o advantage in the early game and committed to a shitton of units in the middgame without doing any damage (even before even saturated his bases) AND he also lost his 4th. but then he just decided to make 3 vipers and a-move with a roach/hyd army.. its such a fucking low skill capped/highly cost efficient army. so fucking dumb
he made so many mistakes, didnt deserve the win
You have got to be shitting me. Whoever wins the game deserves it, because guess what thats why he won. Some random foreigner 6 pooling flash and winning would mean he deserved to win. This hole bs about honorable way of playing and deserving and w/e really needs to be removed from our community. Every win is a deserved win, every way of playing the game is equally honorable. Bitching about the game and players who are better than you, while being an ex hacker is actually a situation where you don't deserve a lot of things.
You don't have to argue with him, he became irrelevant ages ago :D
You can still be polite though.
Disagree all you want with them but being a dick with someone because they're no longer a pro or whatever is still being a dick.
Yeah, it's not like he's being a dick.
There's a difference between being mad about perceived injustice and just being a dick.
On August 28 2013 20:17 Keeemy wrote: I fail to understand why some people think Parting played better than Soulkey...
because soulkey won that game after he threw away a huge b.o advantage in the early game and committed to a shitton of units in the middgame without doing any damage (even before even saturated his bases) AND he also lost his 4th. but then he just decided to make 3 vipers and a-move with a roach/hyd army.. its such a fucking low skill capped/highly cost efficient army. so fucking dumb
he made so many mistakes, didnt deserve the win
You have got to be shitting me. Whoever wins the game deserves it, because guess what thats why he won. Some random foreigner 6 pooling flash and winning would mean he deserved to win. This hole bs about honorable way of playing and deserving and w/e really needs to be removed from our community. Every win is a deserved win, every way of playing the game is equally honorable. Bitching about the game and players who are better than you, while being an ex hacker is actually a situation where you don't deserve a lot of things.
You don't have to argue with him, he became irrelevant ages ago :D
You can still be polite though.
Disagree all you want with them but being a dick with someone because they're no longer a pro or whatever is still being a dick.
I've always found it amusing that on TL pros aren't allowed to criticize other pros because they're not as good as eachother but randoms who aren't as good as them are free to do so.
On August 28 2013 20:17 Keeemy wrote: I fail to understand why some people think Parting played better than Soulkey...
because soulkey won that game after he threw away a huge b.o advantage in the early game and committed to a shitton of units in the middgame without doing any damage (even before even saturated his bases) AND he also lost his 4th. but then he just decided to make 3 vipers and a-move with a roach/hyd army.. its such a fucking low skill capped/highly cost efficient army. so fucking dumb
he made so many mistakes, didnt deserve the win
You have got to be shitting me. Whoever wins the game deserves it, because guess what thats why he won. Some random foreigner 6 pooling flash and winning would mean he deserved to win. This hole bs about honorable way of playing and deserving and w/e really needs to be removed from our community. Every win is a deserved win, every way of playing the game is equally honorable. Bitching about the game and players who are better than you, while being an ex hacker is actually a situation where you don't deserve a lot of things.
You don't have to argue with him, he became irrelevant ages ago :D
You can still be polite though.
Disagree all you want with them but being a dick with someone because they're no longer a pro or whatever is still being a dick.
lol trust me if I was actually mad or wanted to be rude I would have used a completly different language, thats about as polite as I'll ever be with someone like that.
Either way lets just focus on watching pvp only after this
On August 28 2013 20:17 Keeemy wrote: I fail to understand why some people think Parting played better than Soulkey...
because soulkey won that game after he threw away a huge b.o advantage in the early game and committed to a shitton of units in the middgame without doing any damage (even before even saturated his bases) AND he also lost his 4th. but then he just decided to make 3 vipers and a-move with a roach/hyd army.. its such a fucking low skill capped/highly cost efficient army. so fucking dumb
he made so many mistakes, didnt deserve the win
You have got to be shitting me. Whoever wins the game deserves it, because guess what thats why he won. Some random foreigner 6 pooling flash and winning would mean he deserved to win. This hole bs about honorable way of playing and deserving and w/e really needs to be removed from our community. Every win is a deserved win, every way of playing the game is equally honorable. Bitching about the game and players who are better than you, while being an ex hacker is actually a situation where you don't deserve a lot of things.
You don't have to argue with him, he became irrelevant ages ago :D
You can still be polite though.
Disagree all you want with them but being a dick with someone because they're no longer a pro or whatever is still being a dick.
I've always found it amusing that on TL pros aren't allowed to criticize other pros because they're not as good as eachother but randoms who aren't as good as them are free to do so.
Randoms get torn apart when commenting, why shouldn't he be torn apart too?
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
13%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (3)
9%
★ - Do not watch this game no matter what (2)
6%
32 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?
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On August 28 2013 20:17 Keeemy wrote: I fail to understand why some people think Parting played better than Soulkey...
because soulkey won that game after he threw away a huge b.o advantage in the early game and committed to a shitton of units in the middgame without doing any damage (even before even saturated his bases) AND he also lost his 4th. but then he just decided to make 3 vipers and a-move with a roach/hyd army.. its such a fucking low skill capped/highly cost efficient army. so fucking dumb
he made so many mistakes, didnt deserve the win
You have got to be shitting me. Whoever wins the game deserves it, because guess what thats why he won. Some random foreigner 6 pooling flash and winning would mean he deserved to win. This hole bs about honorable way of playing and deserving and w/e really needs to be removed from our community. Every win is a deserved win, every way of playing the game is equally honorable. Bitching about the game and players who are better than you, while being an ex hacker is actually a situation where you don't deserve a lot of things.
You don't have to argue with him, he became irrelevant ages ago :D
You can still be polite though.
Disagree all you want with them but being a dick with someone because they're no longer a pro or whatever is still being a dick.
lol trust me if I was actually mad or wanted to be rude I would have used a completly different language, thats about as polite as I'll ever be with someone like that.
Either way lets just focus on watching pvp only after this
Just hear them casters, someone knew listening to the cast would think there's no way in this universe a parting could win since he played a perfect game and still lost, aren't you upset about that?
Soulkey played well and Parting played well at times but never getting +3 and not spending all his gas when he was going chargelot/archon/storm/voidray is o_o
Great storm dodging. Very nice aggression by Soulkey, it is funny how majority of Zerg players can't do this kind of thing but when Soulkey does it, it looks so freaking easy. :/
On August 28 2013 20:31 Abominous wrote: Just hear them casters, someone knew listening to the cast would think there's no way in this universe a parting could win since he played a perfect game and still lost, aren't you upset about that?
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
13%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (3)
9%
★ - Do not watch this game no matter what (2)
6%
32 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not watch this game no matter what
dont tell me it looks very balanced that zerg has strong trouble to win with 50-70 supply ahead 4 waves/fights in a row. Finally the 5th fight make this possible to win. I dont want to imagine what happens if both fights with 200/200. Super onesided and 2sec fight...
oh the balance whine calamity... haha, calm down guys, it's just a game.
today's matches have been really fun thus far. i've been greatly enjoying sc2 lately. maybe pros have levelled up again with WCS Season 2 finals and now this Code S?
On August 28 2013 20:34 Schelim wrote: oh the balance whine calamity... haha, calm down guys, it's just a game.
today's matches have been really fun thus far. i've been greatly enjoying sc2 lately. maybe pros have levelled up again with WCS Season 2 finals and now this Code S?
The level has been rising ever since Kespa switched over tbh
this is not supposed to be an invitation for "KESPA" posts though
On August 28 2013 20:34 Schelim wrote: oh the balance whine calamity... haha, calm down guys, it's just a game.
today's matches have been really fun thus far. i've been greatly enjoying sc2 lately. maybe pros have levelled up again with WCS Season 2 finals and now this Code S?
The level has been rising ever since Kespa switched over tbh
this is not supposed to be an invitation for "KESPA" posts though
true, but i kinda feel like there has been a pretty big jump recently, and i fucking love it. and i really don't think there has to be any Kespa discussion here, if a bunch of highly skilled and committed players with great backing in terms of training/coaching and money hit the scene, it's obviously gonna increase the overall level of competition.
On August 28 2013 20:34 Schelim wrote: oh the balance whine calamity... haha, calm down guys, it's just a game.
today's matches have been really fun thus far. i've been greatly enjoying sc2 lately. maybe pros have levelled up again with WCS Season 2 finals and now this Code S?
The level has been rising ever since Kespa switched over tbh
this is not supposed to be an invitation for "KESPA" posts though
The level has been rising ever since. No matter what you think about balance, 2012's games were better than 2011's, 2013's are better than 2012's... I'm looking forward to 2020's games
On August 28 2013 20:34 Schelim wrote: oh the balance whine calamity... haha, calm down guys, it's just a game.
today's matches have been really fun thus far. i've been greatly enjoying sc2 lately. maybe pros have levelled up again with WCS Season 2 finals and now this Code S?
The level has been rising ever since Kespa switched over tbh
this is not supposed to be an invitation for "KESPA" posts though
The level has been rising ever since. No matter what you think about balance, 2012's games were better than 2011's, 2013's are better than 2012's... I'm looking forward to 2020's games
2011 January code A still the greatest tournament in esports history tho.
On August 28 2013 20:33 Dingodile wrote: dont tell me it looks very balanced that zerg has strong trouble to win with 50-70 supply ahead 4 waves/fights in a row. Finally the 5th fight make this possible to win. I dont want to imagine what happens if both fights with 200/200. Super onesided and 2sec fight...
So, do you want PvZ to end at the first zerg's maxout when the protoss has from 90 to 110 supply? And the compositions were pretty un-even, mass hydra and muta against archon storm e some voidrays. A-moving a ramp against your army counter should be painful, but not for one race on three
On August 28 2013 20:38 Nauseam wrote: Haha, it really sounds like they are using this text-to-speech program with an korean accent for that Zombie ad. http://text-to-speech.imtranslator.net/
On August 28 2013 20:38 Nauseam wrote: Haha, it really sounds like they are using this text-to-speech program with an korean accent for that Zombie ad. http://text-to-speech.imtranslator.net/
On August 28 2013 20:34 Schelim wrote: oh the balance whine calamity... haha, calm down guys, it's just a game.
today's matches have been really fun thus far. i've been greatly enjoying sc2 lately. maybe pros have levelled up again with WCS Season 2 finals and now this Code S?
The level has been rising ever since Kespa switched over tbh
this is not supposed to be an invitation for "KESPA" posts though
true, but i kinda feel like there has been a pretty big jump recently
I don't think so :s
The best Code S games have been so awesome for several seasons in a row. Ever since Bogus+Rain entered GSL the quality graph has been very steep indeed. And I remember having the same feeling back around S4 2012 where suddenly the number of "cannon fodder players" was near non-existant. All the seasons ever since has had this aura of being the most stacked yet :D
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
25%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
4 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Winners' Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not watch this game no matter what
On August 28 2013 20:45 Dark.Carnival wrote: sad that pigbaby or swagger will be out, wanted both of them to go through D:
In our quest for finally getting a protoss champ in Korea, we really need PartinG to go through.
It's the perfect time, too, looks like we won't have a ton of zergs in the late stages and Parting has shown that he doesn't really lose to non-zerg lately.
On August 28 2013 20:45 Dark.Carnival wrote: sad that pigbaby or swagger will be out, wanted both of them to go through D:
In our quest for finally getting a protoss champ in Korea, we really need PartinG to go through.
It's the perfect time, too, looks like we won't have a ton of zergs in the late stages and Parting has shown that he doesn't really lose to non-zerg lately.
but..but.. swagger and pigbaby! those names need to move on to ro16
On August 28 2013 20:45 Dark.Carnival wrote: sad that pigbaby or swagger will be out, wanted both of them to go through D:
In our quest for finally getting a protoss champ in Korea, we really need PartinG to go through.
It's the perfect time, too, looks like we won't have a ton of zergs in the late stages and Parting has shown that he doesn't really lose to non-zerg lately.
but..but.. swagger and pigbaby! those names need to move on to ro16
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (16)
59%
★★★ - Good game (8)
30%
★ - Do not watch this game no matter what (2)
7%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
4%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
27 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Soulkey vs. Pigbaby Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not watch this game no matter what
Technically, this should have been voted "one of the best games this season". Since it was the only game this season.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (0)
0%
4 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not watch this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (1)
17%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (0)
0%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
6 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not watch this game no matter what
On August 28 2013 20:57 Undead1993 wrote: as soon as artosis said, he didn't expect swagger even to be in code s he starts winning, artosis is getting ridiculous :D
I was rewatching WCS yesterday... Watch Taeja vs Inno game 1. Taeja starts to get back in the game. Artosis: "Taeja is starting to come back in the game". 15 seconds afterwards Taeja gg's.
On August 28 2013 21:05 AlternativeEgo wrote: Is it gom being gom or did twitch decide to make medium lower than 480p? I'm a 480p guy. Someone is trying to hurt my passion.
Twitch is to blame! They made medium worse than 480p but better than 360p. Tweeted them about it yesterday.
Twitch Support @TwitchTVSupport 13h @DJHelium 480p was out all night carousing, actin a fool, so we had to put it in The Chokey. Medium is a high quality 360p now, think 360p+.
On August 28 2013 21:05 AlternativeEgo wrote: Is it gom being gom or did twitch decide to make medium lower than 480p? I'm a 480p guy. Someone is trying to hurt my passion.
On August 28 2013 21:05 AlternativeEgo wrote: Is it gom being gom or did twitch decide to make medium lower than 480p? I'm a 480p guy. Someone is trying to hurt my passion.
It's twitch, but you can still watch free HQ from GOM site.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
18%
★★★ - Good game (2)
9%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
5%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
22 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Losers' Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not watch this game no matter what
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
14%
★ - Do not watch this game no matter what (1)
5%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
21 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 1?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not watch this game no matter what
Damn, I'm gone for 1 min and Swagger somehow manages to throw away the game, worst is everyone is saying how bad it is makes me even more eager to see it, but I can't because I don't have a GOM pass.
On August 28 2013 21:26 Destructicon wrote: Damn, I'm gone for 1 min and Swagger somehow manages to throw away the game, worst is everyone is saying how bad it is makes me even more eager to see it, but I can't because I don't have a GOM pass.
it was so awesome dude .. best thing i ever saw my life
On August 28 2013 21:26 Destructicon wrote: Damn, I'm gone for 1 min and Swagger somehow manages to throw away the game, worst is everyone is saying how bad it is makes me even more eager to see it, but I can't because I don't have a GOM pass.
I think you can since it's the first game of the series? Might not apply in group stage though.
On August 28 2013 21:26 Destructicon wrote: Damn, I'm gone for 1 min and Swagger somehow manages to throw away the game, worst is everyone is saying how bad it is makes me even more eager to see it, but I can't because I don't have a GOM pass.
I think you can since it's the first game of the series? Might not apply in group stage though.
Isn't everything available on Twitch? I thought it was because WCS and all that.
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (3)
25%
★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (1)
8%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (0)
0%
12 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 2?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not watch this game no matter what
On August 28 2013 21:34 Heartland wrote: Why did he gg? I don't really get what happened.
He stopped probes for too long (he had 3 probes at his nat while PB saturated his), also he was at 30-40 supply the whole time I guess he just figured he was dead.
On August 28 2013 21:38 MrCon wrote: That's dumb, Parting is comiting so many probes that PB could just continue a normal build now instead of doing this.
I don't know why Pigbaby is so afraid in this scenario. Honestly he should've tried to play standard and let Parting get overconfident (or at least proxy his gateways in the natural).
★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (4)
20%
★★★★ - Highly recommended game (3)
15%
★ - Do not watch this game no matter what (3)
15%
★★★ - Good game (2)
10%
20 total votes
Your vote: Recommend Final Match Game 3?
(Vote): ★★★★★ - One of the best games this season (Vote): ★★★★ - Highly recommended game (Vote): ★★★ - Good game (Vote): ★★ - Not recommended unless you have nothing better to do (Vote): ★ - Do not watch this game no matter what
On August 25 2013 06:11 Prof wrote: All the clues point to Acer.Innovation as crazy as that might sound. Per Acer Tweet player lost in the round of 16 at WCS Finals that leaves Welmu, Duckdeok, Grubby, MC, Polt, Innovation, Maru, MMA. Scarlett strongly hinted in a tweet that the player is a terran. That leaves Polt, Innovation, Mari=u, MMA. We can eliminate MMA as he is already on Acer, Scarlett also said the new player will be playing in GSTL. That probably eliminates Polt as he is studying in Texas. So we are left with Innovation and Maru. The profile in the blacked out picture provided by Acer looks a lot more like Innovation than it does like Maru.
Wow, I really think it is going to be Acer. Innovation!
imagine, Acer and Axiom want to join Proleague.
It would make sense.
Scarlett said the GSTL season starts in October. Proleague is a very big commitment for a foreign team with WCS at the same time.
GSTL starts in october? link source? that leaves them like 2 months to do a full season when the other season was 4-5 months long.
Scarlett @AcerScarlett Also won't be playing any tournament games until GSTL in October >< Sorry !
I was expecting them to run another GSTL season before the merge, but I guess not ;o
could also just mean she's not going to play GSTL until october, but GSTL will start sooner.
scarlett pls clarify.
GSTL should start sooner but I will miss 1 or 2 matches ( don't arrive until maybe october 6 back to Korea)
On August 28 2013 21:41 bittman wrote: Wow a 4 gate in PvP. Hi 2011
Parting was so far ahead in tech that it was pretty much a guaranteed game.
but still i love how this game shows that pvp is not very varied if you don't want it to be, i mean proxy gates into 4gate. oldschool stuff
Not really, its much more varied now, and PartinG could have done a whole number of different follow ups but, when you are that far ahead, why drag the game out needlessly? What he did only worked because PB got himself into such a bad position in the first place.
On August 28 2013 21:41 bittman wrote: Wow a 4 gate in PvP. Hi 2011
Parting was so far ahead in tech that it was pretty much a guaranteed game.
but still i love how this game shows that pvp is not very varied if you don't want it to be, i mean proxy gates into 4gate. oldschool stuff
A lot of things still work if you can catch your opponent off guard. Although things like reapers, photon overcharge, queen range, OL speed have make some of these strategies easier to hold. You still see 11-11s, bane bust, cannon rush. Hell, Bomber won one of his games with an old school stim marine timing.
On August 29 2013 06:17 aRyuujin wrote: did this really surprise anyone
Yes actually. Didn't expect these sets to all go 3 games each :O
Well Soulkey 2 - 0 Parting, but otherwise yeah, same sentiment. I had a feeling Swagger or Pigbaby would 1-2 Parting, but I didn't expect Pigbaby to get 1 vs Soulkey, or for Parting to go to 3 on both PvPs.
But in terms of surprise it's like...when mythbusters folds paper in half 8 times. You're a little impressed, but it changes nothing in your life. And you know they're going to fold it more times later on.
To be honest, not really surprising. Without their TV contract with OGN, they are back to where it used to. Except instead of five to ten GSL's a year, we now get one or two. Hopefully if this continues, WCS Korea is fully given to OGN next year so there can be three OSL/WCS Korea's and GOM just goes back to doing their four-to-five $50,000 tournaments a year. If the trend continues, we would have two OSL's next year and ONE GSL. I would welcome back paid VOD's and the old system if we could just give OGN/OSL the WCS Korea tournaments and allow GSL to stand alone as its own entity.
Instead of three Korean tournaments a year, we could get seven or eight.
I prefer the integration of the Korean leagues with WCS. It in a sense unifies the scene while still giving the organizers some independence. If any tourney could sustain itself outside of WCS though, its GSL.
Korean casters said the DT opening in game 2 (SK v. PB) was a macro build to keep Z at home.. It looked that way to me, too. I guess Tastosis is slow at "metagame".
On August 29 2013 13:14 Fionn wrote: To be honest, not really surprising. Without their TV contract with OGN, they are back to where it used to. Except instead of five to ten GSL's a year, we now get one or two. Hopefully if this continues, WCS Korea is fully given to OGN next year so there can be three OSL/WCS Korea's and GOM just goes back to doing their four-to-five $50,000 tournaments a year. If the trend continues, we would have two OSL's next year and ONE GSL. I would welcome back paid VOD's and the old system if we could just give OGN/OSL the WCS Korea tournaments and allow GSL to stand alone as its own entity.
Instead of three Korean tournaments a year, we could get seven or eight.
I really hope this (or something similar) happens. The current system in Korea is the only thing I don't really like about WCS.
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