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Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
August 25 2013 15:49 GMT
#5861
I honestly don't understand why there are so many Bomber fans out there. He's only ever won an MLG, but over the course of several years otherwise didn't work hard enough to get the results his potential would suggest that he could.

I mean it's great that he finally won something again because he shows flashes of being able to be a great player, but historically he's been so inconsistent that I have to believe he's just hit a hot streak which will eventually fan out.

I just hope he shows more personality in the future, because one reason that I've never really been a fan is precisely because he's never done that. That stone cold look when after he won today didn't help =/
KT FlaSh FOREVER
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 25 2013 15:49 GMT
#5862
On August 26 2013 00:47 ReMinD_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 00:42 Darkhoarse wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:40 GinDo wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:39 Tanzklaue wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:38 GinDo wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:35 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:28 Salient wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:25 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:23 dcsoda wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:22 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
[quote]
ZvZ would be better than ZvT? You mad.


Games would've probably been closer and the storyline of foreigner in the finals would've made it much better for me at least.

Old story: they should have trained harder and played better.


Scarlett might be the second best player in the world. She barely lost to Bomber. I wish we could see her play Taeja.

Absolutely no.

She's definitely top 10.

I persoanlly think lif is still way way better, and liffe is probably not top 10 anymore.


Life is really dominant early game. But just dies later on.

but if we take this tournament where Scarlett almost beat Bomber as evidence of her incredible skill, should we not also look at RSL and say Life is better than Scarlett 100%?

No, you're right we shouldn't. Lets not all make power ranks based on just this tournament.


Yup, and Life lost to hyvaa in challenger league, therefore hyvaa is even better.

Life<hyvaa<soO<Soulkey<Innovation<Naniwa<Jaedong<Bomber<Life. Hahahahahaha
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Waise
Profile Joined June 2013
3165 Posts
August 25 2013 15:50 GMT
#5863
On August 26 2013 00:49 Lunareste wrote:
I honestly don't understand why there are so many Bomber fans out there. He's only ever won an MLG, but over the course of several years otherwise didn't work hard enough to get the results his potential would suggest that he could.

I mean it's great that he finally won something again because he shows flashes of being able to be a great player, but historically he's been so inconsistent that I have to believe he's just hit a hot streak which will eventually fan out.

I just hope he shows more personality in the future, because one reason that I've never really been a fan is precisely because he's never done that. That stone cold look when after he won today didn't help =/

because being a fan shouldn't be about having the best results. does every baseball fan root for the yankees?

as for personality, you're entitled to find him boring or whatever, but clearly not everyone does. this thread is evidence of that
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
August 25 2013 15:50 GMT
#5864
On August 26 2013 00:49 Lunareste wrote:
I honestly don't understand why there are so many Bomber fans out there. He's only ever won an MLG, but over the course of several years otherwise didn't work hard enough to get the results his potential would suggest that he could.

I mean it's great that he finally won something again because he shows flashes of being able to be a great player, but historically he's been so inconsistent that I have to believe he's just hit a hot streak which will eventually fan out.

I just hope he shows more personality in the future, because one reason that I've never really been a fan is precisely because he's never done that. That stone cold look when after he won today didn't help =/

Well, he kinda won Code A final against Mvp before. So i see reason behind his old good hype. Also, placing high in tournaments in end of WoL is pretty darn impressive (MLG Fall and IPL5).
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
August 25 2013 15:50 GMT
#5865
On August 26 2013 00:49 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 00:47 ReMinD_ wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:42 Darkhoarse wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:40 GinDo wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:39 Tanzklaue wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:38 GinDo wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:35 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:28 Salient wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:25 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:23 dcsoda wrote:
[quote]

Games would've probably been closer and the storyline of foreigner in the finals would've made it much better for me at least.

Old story: they should have trained harder and played better.


Scarlett might be the second best player in the world. She barely lost to Bomber. I wish we could see her play Taeja.

Absolutely no.

She's definitely top 10.

I persoanlly think lif is still way way better, and liffe is probably not top 10 anymore.


Life is really dominant early game. But just dies later on.

but if we take this tournament where Scarlett almost beat Bomber as evidence of her incredible skill, should we not also look at RSL and say Life is better than Scarlett 100%?

No, you're right we shouldn't. Lets not all make power ranks based on just this tournament.


Yup, and Life lost to hyvaa in challenger league, therefore hyvaa is even better.

Life<hyvaa<soO<Soulkey<Innovation<Naniwa<Jaedong<Bomber<Life. Hahahahahaha

You sir, are a winner.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44202 Posts
August 25 2013 15:50 GMT
#5866
On August 26 2013 00:49 lolfail9001 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 00:47 ReMinD_ wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:42 Darkhoarse wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:40 GinDo wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:39 Tanzklaue wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:38 GinDo wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:35 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:28 Salient wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:25 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:23 dcsoda wrote:
[quote]

Games would've probably been closer and the storyline of foreigner in the finals would've made it much better for me at least.

Old story: they should have trained harder and played better.


Scarlett might be the second best player in the world. She barely lost to Bomber. I wish we could see her play Taeja.

Absolutely no.

She's definitely top 10.

I persoanlly think lif is still way way better, and liffe is probably not top 10 anymore.


Life is really dominant early game. But just dies later on.

but if we take this tournament where Scarlett almost beat Bomber as evidence of her incredible skill, should we not also look at RSL and say Life is better than Scarlett 100%?

No, you're right we shouldn't. Lets not all make power ranks based on just this tournament.


Yup, and Life lost to hyvaa in challenger league, therefore hyvaa is even better.

Life<hyvaa<soO<Soulkey<Innovation<Naniwa<Jaedong<Bomber<Life. Hahahahahaha

lol that would make sense if the "if statements" only affect 2 parties
this is a quote
LiamBrady
Profile Joined June 2012
Singapore197 Posts
August 25 2013 15:51 GMT
#5867
On August 26 2013 00:49 Lunareste wrote:
I honestly don't understand why there are so many Bomber fans out there. He's only ever won an MLG, but over the course of several years otherwise didn't work hard enough to get the results his potential would suggest that he could.

I mean it's great that he finally won something again because he shows flashes of being able to be a great player, but historically he's been so inconsistent that I have to believe he's just hit a hot streak which will eventually fan out.

I just hope he shows more personality in the future, because one reason that I've never really been a fan is precisely because he's never done that. That stone cold look when after he won today didn't help =/


Find some VOD's of the Redbull Battlegrounds Day9 ran at PAX last year. It was a silly event and Bomber was an amazing sport, laughing and joking around with everyone.
Scarlett and SEA Dota
HomeWorld
Profile Joined December 2011
Romania903 Posts
August 25 2013 15:51 GMT
#5868
On August 26 2013 00:47 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 00:45 HomeWorld wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:39 Kinon wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:37 HomeWorld wrote:
Scarlett second best player in the world. Jaedong doesn't even compares to her grasp of TvZ


She's far from being the second best in the world, but clearly her TvZ is much better.

Compare her match against Bomber from yesterday with Jaedong vs Bomber. Freaking big difference, to the point you might say how the hell that rookie(Jaedong) got in finals and be squashed so hard. Point is Scarlett's ZvT > Jaedong's ZvT by several light years.

You're just fanboy, nothing more.


Nope, I hate zergs with passion, but lets face it, if I'm to choose the best zerg player from wcs s2 finals, without a shadow of a doubt the answer would be Scarlett.
krutopatkin
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany2612 Posts
August 25 2013 15:51 GMT
#5869
Jaekong yo
Baroninthetree
Profile Joined August 2012
United States473 Posts
August 25 2013 15:52 GMT
#5870
On August 26 2013 00:49 Lunareste wrote:
I honestly don't understand why there are so many Bomber fans out there. He's only ever won an MLG, but over the course of several years otherwise didn't work hard enough to get the results his potential would suggest that he could.

I mean it's great that he finally won something again because he shows flashes of being able to be a great player, but historically he's been so inconsistent that I have to believe he's just hit a hot streak which will eventually fan out.

I just hope he shows more personality in the future, because one reason that I've never really been a fan is precisely because he's never done that. That stone cold look when after he won today didn't help =/

I laughed so hard at this. Bomber has no personality?
Boy you must be new to Starcraft ii
Darkhorse
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States23455 Posts
August 25 2013 15:53 GMT
#5871
On August 26 2013 00:51 LiamBrady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 00:49 Lunareste wrote:
I honestly don't understand why there are so many Bomber fans out there. He's only ever won an MLG, but over the course of several years otherwise didn't work hard enough to get the results his potential would suggest that he could.

I mean it's great that he finally won something again because he shows flashes of being able to be a great player, but historically he's been so inconsistent that I have to believe he's just hit a hot streak which will eventually fan out.

I just hope he shows more personality in the future, because one reason that I've never really been a fan is precisely because he's never done that. That stone cold look when after he won today didn't help =/


Find some VOD's of the Redbull Battlegrounds Day9 ran at PAX last year. It was a silly event and Bomber was an amazing sport, laughing and joking around with everyone.

I was just about to bring that up. Bomber gets serious at major tourneys, but he can laugh and have fun with the best of them. He really does have a lot of personality.
WriterRecently Necro'd (?)
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10131 Posts
August 25 2013 15:54 GMT
#5872
On August 26 2013 00:51 LiamBrady wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 00:49 Lunareste wrote:
I honestly don't understand why there are so many Bomber fans out there. He's only ever won an MLG, but over the course of several years otherwise didn't work hard enough to get the results his potential would suggest that he could.

I mean it's great that he finally won something again because he shows flashes of being able to be a great player, but historically he's been so inconsistent that I have to believe he's just hit a hot streak which will eventually fan out.

I just hope he shows more personality in the future, because one reason that I've never really been a fan is precisely because he's never done that. That stone cold look when after he won today didn't help =/


Find some VOD's of the Redbull Battlegrounds Day9 ran at PAX last year. It was a silly event and Bomber was an amazing sport, laughing and joking around with everyone.

He should also watch his stream.
Or take into account that bomber has been a hard working player for over 2 years now, who has been always there, on good days he could roll anyone, and his only drawback has been choking from time to time. It was about time for him to overcome it and win the shit he deserves.
Dismay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1180 Posts
August 25 2013 15:54 GMT
#5873
On August 26 2013 00:51 HomeWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 00:47 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:45 HomeWorld wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:39 Kinon wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:37 HomeWorld wrote:
Scarlett second best player in the world. Jaedong doesn't even compares to her grasp of TvZ


She's far from being the second best in the world, but clearly her TvZ is much better.

Compare her match against Bomber from yesterday with Jaedong vs Bomber. Freaking big difference, to the point you might say how the hell that rookie(Jaedong) got in finals and be squashed so hard. Point is Scarlett's ZvT > Jaedong's ZvT by several light years.

You're just fanboy, nothing more.


Nope, I hate zergs with passion, but lets face it, if I'm to choose the best zerg player from wcs s2 finals, without a shadow of a doubt the answer would be Scarlett.


That's why Scarlett was in the final-

Oh...

Oh wait.
In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.
Orek
Profile Joined February 2012
1665 Posts
August 25 2013 15:54 GMT
#5874
No offense to any race, but

Terran being the champion
Zerg taking the 2nd
Protoss being the 3rd race

really fits my image of Starcraft in general.
Tanzklaue
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany1414 Posts
August 25 2013 15:54 GMT
#5875
On August 26 2013 00:49 Baroninthetree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 00:43 Tanzklaue wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:42 Baroninthetree wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:37 Tanzklaue wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:35 Salient wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:29 NarutO wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:28 Salient wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:25 gingerfluffmuff wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:23 dcsoda wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:22 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
[quote]
ZvZ would be better than ZvT? You mad.


Games would've probably been closer and the storyline of foreigner in the finals would've made it much better for me at least.

Old story: they should have trained harder and played better.


Scarlett might be the second best player in the world. She barely lost to Bomber. I wish we could see her play Taeja.


How does that even make sense. Do you believe Bomber ist he best player in the world? :x Not to mention that a close-loss to him doesn't make you second best in the world...

Taeja also lost close to him. Also 2nd best? :x


It was the world championship finals. Winning it gives Bomber a good claim to be the best player in the world.

taeja and inno both have better TvZ and at least taeja is better at TvP. it's really only TvT in which bomber is better than taeja and inno, which sucks when they meet head to head.

I doubt inno has better t v z, we really only see him playing soulkey.
As t v p, bomber is absolutely a beast, no doubt he would stormed first 4-0 if he advanced.

lol, inno having worse tvz than bomber?
you just disqualified for every discusiion ever. you also make it sound like soulkey is bad at zvt. he is probably the best zvt player on the planet.

I said I doubt inno had better. And I never buy this soulkey hyper. He really only beat MKP in z v t in a long time. He lost to supernova for god sake, how can anyone claim he is that good.

again, you make it sound like supernova is bad. supernova played the tournament of his life in the last OSL. the point still stands that SK is much better at TvZ than Scarlett, and that inno still has to be beaten in TvZ by anyone other than SK. as much as I recall, he didn't lose a TvZ series since the WCS korea season 1 finals.
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
August 25 2013 15:54 GMT
#5876
I'm so unbelievably happy right now. My favorite player finally won a tournament again and aLive had such a damn good showing. Huge congrats to Bomber.
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
August 25 2013 15:55 GMT
#5877
On August 26 2013 00:51 HomeWorld wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2013 00:47 ForTehDarkseid wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:45 HomeWorld wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:39 Kinon wrote:
On August 26 2013 00:37 HomeWorld wrote:
Scarlett second best player in the world. Jaedong doesn't even compares to her grasp of TvZ


She's far from being the second best in the world, but clearly her TvZ is much better.

Compare her match against Bomber from yesterday with Jaedong vs Bomber. Freaking big difference, to the point you might say how the hell that rookie(Jaedong) got in finals and be squashed so hard. Point is Scarlett's ZvT > Jaedong's ZvT by several light years.

You're just fanboy, nothing more.


Nope, I hate zergs with passion, but lets face it, if I'm to choose the best zerg player from wcs s2 finals, without a shadow of a doubt the answer would be Scarlett.


Eventhough Scarlett played a great series vs Bomber, she did go 0-2 to Alive. So I am not sure you can definitely put her above JD eventhough he did lose 0-4 to Bomber. No one knows how she would have done vs the Ps that JD had to face.
tar
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany991 Posts
August 25 2013 15:55 GMT
#5878
GG Bomber. well played and truly deserved.
whoever I pick for my anti team turns gosu
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
August 25 2013 15:55 GMT
#5879
On August 26 2013 00:49 Lunareste wrote:
I honestly don't understand why there are so many Bomber fans out there. He's only ever won an MLG, but over the course of several years otherwise didn't work hard enough to get the results his potential would suggest that he could.

I mean it's great that he finally won something again because he shows flashes of being able to be a great player, but historically he's been so inconsistent that I have to believe he's just hit a hot streak which will eventually fan out.

I just hope he shows more personality in the future, because one reason that I've never really been a fan is precisely because he's never done that. That stone cold look when after he won today didn't help =/


Are you fucking serious? Didn't work hard enough??? Both SaSe and Naniwa said that Bomber was one of the most hardworking players during their stay at the Startale house. Stop saying ridiculous stupid shit just because he beat some foreigner

Also, people are not allowed to like a player because he doesn't have many big tournament wins? Who are you to say that?

Lastly, if you ever watched Bomber's stream but also some of his interviews/old redbull events, you would see that Bomber actually has a really nice personality. He's not MC, but not every player can be like that.


I can't actually believe you just wrote that
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-25 15:56:54
August 25 2013 15:56 GMT
#5880
On August 26 2013 00:54 Orek wrote:
No offense to any race, but

Terran being the champion
Zerg taking the 2nd
Protoss being the 3rd race

really fits my image of Starcraft in general.


You're right, the last year and a half of WoL definitely didn't have many many zergs on top!

edit: sorry for doublepost
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